How Did the Viking Age Start in Frisia? | History of the Netherlands c. 700 - 810 AD
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- The Vikings are famous for their raids in Britain and Ireland, making places like Lindisfarne and York, Dublin and Wexford famous names for people into shows like Vikings on HBO and The Last Kingdom on the BBC/Netflix. But somewhere that doesn't get a lot of attention in the Viking Age is the Netherlands, known as Frisia during this time, even though they have a fascinating Viking Age History of their own from Holland to Friesland. In this video I'll be looking at how the Viking Age started in Frisia, what the situation was in the Low Countries in the Migration Era and the Frankish Conquest over King Redbad's pagan kingdom and how this spilled over into the Viking Age with Danish King Godfred's first raid on Dorestad in 810.
This video is being made in connection with the Leeuwarden Cultural Capital 2028 Project and is part of a series on the Viking Age in the Netherlands that will be hosted here on my channel History With Hilbert.
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Central Because Liminal: Frisia in a Viking Age North Sea World - Nelleke IJssennagger:
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Luit van der Tuuk - De Friezen
Luit van der Tuuk - Noormannen in de Lage Landen
Nelleke IJssennagger & John Hines - Frisians and their North Sea Neighbours
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Frankish Annals
Beowulf
Life of St Boniface
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you shood do more african/nigerian histrey were my ansesters were from you never do it or let me geuss your a fkn racist witeboi 🤦🏿♂️
@@corneliusngagwayang9428 you people have no history worth talking about.
@@corneliusngagwayang9428 Quick question do you think I'm more or less likely to want to fulfil your request when you call me a racist in the next breath?
@blahblahblah blah tbf you can't be racist to white people because racism = power × discrimination. Not taking sides but you can't pretend black people can be racist to white people. I say this as a white guy myself.
@@lucasowenstacey8593 all the more reason not to source your views from fringe intersectionalist ideology, mate. There's a big and complex world beyond the politburo.
I really like Mount & Blade: Viking Conquest storyline for adding Friese and this subplot of Viking influence in the region
cant wait for the bannerlord version
Aye a Bannerlord version Viking conquest would be nice although tbh I would like to see it within the Bannerlord universe ie the nord invasions that took place between the events of Bannerlord and warband
@@db-dl3nu Waiting for something that is not going to happen?
somebody will eventually do it, either the old modders or new kids as a homage. I have no doubt someone will make a viking conversion mod
I always thought was France
No one:
Hilbert: THE DUTCH DID IT TOO
No, they didn't: the Frisians did. ;)
@@Pincer88 right you are. Frisia existed then. It took about 200 to 300 years for the Dutch came into play. Perhaps even longer depending on which defenition you adhere to.
Theo Bolt the Dutch didn’t exist. The Dutch are Franks and Saks. Frisian are natives
@Theo Bolt and @RMS0180 You are both right. Being Dutch myself I think it is important to know whose country this actually was. Saxons and Franks were invading Germanic tribes. But when I'm not mistaken, Frisians and Norsemen were also branches on the Germanic tree. Since these founded France, the UK, Germany, etcetera we are all basically German migrants with some Celtic ancestry.
The Frisians did it (fixed it for you)
From Belgium, through Holland, Holsten, Slesvig and the southern part of Jylland the landscape is basically the same, and the culture quite closely linked. And this goes back well before the Viking age, probably all the way to the bronze age. In a time, when land travel was difficult, and sea travel easy, this coastline is basically Europes highway.
It's a completely different way of viewing space and time when you factor out our modern concept of travelling over land to reach places rather than by sea which for them was almost always much faster and potentially safer too.
@Noah Pritchett Reverse migration is a really interesting phenomenon actually which might be a framework in which that can be viewed. But you're absolutely right that the Low Countries are perfectly situated to act as a trading hub between several different zones.
Below the Rhine, culture is quite different. And the people too.
@Noah Pritchett The source of central European traits in Scandinava?
@Noah Pritchett During Hanseatic League period there was a lot of moving from one country or area to another. The League officials/members would take their families with them on their new assignment. My 14th great grandfather was one such person in the League. He took his family from Lubeck to Bornholm island. He left for Germany when the League contract ended. But his kids stayed on Bornholm. Another Hanseatic official was assigned to the island at the same time. His kids stayed there after the League ended. Members of both families married each other throughout the years.
Having ancestors from Nord Friesland, I've always been fascinated by the fact that so much of old Frisia is now under the North Sea. In Roman times the coastline was much, much further out. Didn't the Frisian coast experience a huge loss of land during the 5th and 6th centuries? Even the old maps of Heligoland show a large island with many towns and pagan temple sites.
I would love to know how the sinking of old Frisia affected the history of the area and it's relationships to other nations. Conflicts must have arisen as people were forced to move inland when their homes and towns sunk under the waves.
I don't know if you made a video about it, if not, please do. I'm very interested!
Thanks so much
The Oera Linda
I think you're right, in roman texts there is a mention of the ampsivarii migrating south because of vlooding on the coasts. they moved south to between emmen and the ems and even tried going into the area home to the tubanta/ubii
When a frisian calls you a southerner, but you're from Groningen 🤷♂️
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Wouldn't be completely wrong, East-Frisia and North-Frisia are both located more northern than Groningen 😉
@@Weda01 well, it was about the Netherlands
its always funny to me if the people in the holland provinces look down on friesland and groningen like yokels but in the end they are frisians by blood as well XD
@@pr0faker not necessarily
As an Afrikaner of South Africa, I love doing research on the history of my ancestors. Having French and Dutch ancestry, both in the Frankish Empire of Charlemaign is truly mind blowing to me. And then to see the interactions of my ancestors with the Danish Vikings is so epic. My surname Strydom means 'Stryd om ' (To fight for). It was given to my family because they had "'n Stryd om hulle plaase en landed te beskerm van die Viking aanvaller.) They had to fight to retain their lands from the in crouching Viking conquests of that region. My families army was successful at defending their lands, hence why my family crest is a lion wielding a sword.
I love history.
they might have lived in what is now the dutch province of Friesland. lots of villages here end in an UM sound, which could just as well be written as OM. like the mentioned Dokkum in this video. thats one hint that Strydom as a name might be from this region
Wow that would be "Strid om" in "modern" Scandinavian.
@@weetbix4497 a wikipedia had it
@@simonbannow3905 In modern Fries it would translate to ''fjochtsje foar'' which is quite a bit different lol
@@Adama.1 would that mean "fight for?" sorry if the question is silly. but when you look at scandinavian languages, dutch, german and english, it can all get a bit confusing
The Netherlands, not the Nether World or the Nether Regions. Those are different
It's the low countries in English (de lage landen).
Important distinctions to be made!
History With Hilbert yes!
@@TimDutch it literally translated to that in irish which i found cool as most country names in irish are just barely changed version of the english. Netherlands in irish is an Ísiltír, while holland is Ollainn. Switzerland is an Eilvéis which is too similar to elvis
They probably called it Netherlands because they couldn't understand as it's neither land nor sea.
I also find it kind of interressting that Friesland serfed as a kind of preceder to normandy in a sense that the frankish kings would give parts of frisia as a fief to vikings ruler
It is very interesting it's something I'm covering in the next instalment about the Danish benefices of Frisia and how they worked. It went wrong in Frisia with the local population and the untrustworthiness of certain benefice-holders but it's' interesting to speculate what the Netherlands might have been like had it become more like Normandy did with its Scandinavian heritage.
The Dutch are so sinful that god tries to drown the entire fucking country
@@adorabasilwinterpock6035 Yeet
True, but in 885 the inland Vikings and the Viking leadership (complot of Spijk) were murdered by an unlikely coalition of Teisterbant Frisians, Hamaland Saxons and Babenberg Franks. Vikings seem to have remained in charge in large parts of what is now coastal Holland and Zeeland (island of Wieringen, area around Vlaardingen and island of Walcheren). The area around Vlaardingen was more then a century later instrumental in forming Holland (see battle of Vlaardingen in 1018)
Roodborst Kalf verbaast me niks. Mn moeder is half Scandinavisch zonder enige voorgeschiedenis van familieleden daarvandaan. Ze is Zeeuws,
Everybody gangsta untill the commentator starts talking Dutch/Fries. Goed accent maat!
Every vid about Fryslân makes mr learn more about my people and even more of a proud Frisian.
In this case you learned it wrong.🤷♂️ but it seems you need to explain all correct history these days and people don't read anymore. 🙄
They should add this to vikings. And they should add a series about grutte pier
He was truly something else
That show's a fucking mess. I hope they don't touch anything historical and keep writing their biker fantasy bullshit.
A movie is being made about grutte Pier, and they learned from a big mistake in King Redbad....they speak Frisian this time.
Yeah love to see my own country in that
Last kingdom could do it better than Vikings
I'm from Zeeland, Middelburg and my area was heavily raided by Vikings to the point that the Vikings started to use Walcheren as a base to plan raids on England since most of the settlements were abandoned. Middelburg, Souburg and Domburg also saw their origins during these times, burg stands for a fortified position and the fundament of these positions are still visible from air as they were build in a circle.
Thank you Hilbert for this informative on
Netherlands Vikings, so much more to learn, it’s a good thing!! I appreciate everyone here on this channel who seem to know so much, more videos would be awesome 🙋🏻♀️❣️
Frisians are so underrated, like, everyone is about the norse, and to some extend the anglo-saxons. But what about the frisians? They're cool too!
do a little research on frisian mythology and folklore jf you havent already! its fascinating!
@@paigeteller606
NICE!
Thanks!😉
The language is also funny. It's between English, Danish and Dutch somewhere
Yes i am🤗
i love the smooth transition from english to dutch and back. It's flawless!
@History With Hilbert I just want to say I absolutely love your meme of showing that picture and the music every time the Netherlands gets mentioned. I actually only gets better over time, so thank you! (I'm not even remotely Dutch lol).
I like how the region of Flanders where I live specifically has switched hands a lot throughout history.
It’s made it a historically very interesting region with lots of different influences that’s for sure!
I literally watched the film on this subject while you were uploading this. ;)
Perfect timing, as i intended starting to research into this further. Keep up the great work.
This channel and simple history are my go to favourites for learning history. Much appreciated
You couldn't have found a better topic ! Looking forward to watch the next episodes.
Great video, Thanks for making it!
The history of the “Old Saxons” would also be a very interesting topic. The village I live in in northern Germany was the site of a battle between Pippin of Francia and the Saxons in 758 (The village is called Sythen or Sitina in the old texts) and really little about these events can be found on the internet. The majority of sources about this battle and the Saxon fortress that once stood here actually come from books written by people of my village. But also there seems to be quite the lack of information about the Old Saxon culture after the height of the migration era in general, apart maybe from Widukind. You also mentioned them as being in the middle between Danish and Frankish spheres of influence, yet little is said about the Saxons themselves. Would you consider making a video about them as well?
Interesting that you mention "Old Saxons". While researching family genealogies I started to wonder why my surname is pronounced so different by modern Dutch. I'm sure my great-grandfather knew how to say his name when he left the NL in 1898, plus all the other Dutch who migrated from Gelderland to northwest Iowa. A sizable number came from Friesland also.
Years before I started in genealogy I noticed the Dutch they spoke was more harsh and guttural like rolling "R's" hard. Sounded more like German. In fact my dad could talk very easily with my mother-in-law (who was very German)when she was using plattdeutsch. She grew with plattdeutsch and Schwabisch plus High German in church.
In the past couple years a professional researcher posted that pockets of Old Saxon dialect were identified roughly in a line from Arnhem to Utrecht. That's precisely where my dad's family is from. That's the best theory I've seen to explain why dad's family spoke in the style they did.
William Fluit There are four languages spoken in the Netherlands. Frisian in present day Friesland, Lower Saxon in the north and east, in the extreme south there‘s Limburgish and the rest is Dutch. The linguistical border between Dutch and Lower Saxon runs from the border between the provinces of Utrecht and Gelderland (so not from the city of Utrecht!) southeast to just north of Arnhem (Arnhem being on the Dutch side of the language border and central, north and east Gelderland on the Lower Saxon side) further to the southeast to the German border. So your ‘Arnhem-Utrecht’ line roughly corresponds with the language border between Dutch and Lower Saxon. You will find a map with the languages on it if you look up ‘Languages of the Netherlands’ on Wikipedia.
Lower Saxon is spoken in Germany too, where it is often called Niederdeutsch or Plattdeutsch. Neither in the Netherlands nor in Germany is Lower Saxon a unified language of (modern) literature. Meaning there is not a standard language for Lower Saxon. However in both countries it is still the same language, albeit spoken in different dialects. In the Lower Saxon area of the NL alone there are many dialects. In short, your German Lower Saxon speaking relative being able to speak fairly effortlessly with your Dutch Lower Saxon relative should not come as a surprise.
The difference between the pronunciation of the name is most likely the difference between Dutch and Lower Saxon pronuciation.
its also interistinghow the influence of the Saxon language would drasticly increasy due to the rise of the hanseatic leage, which used low saxon as their lingua franca, it would ultimatly lead to a language shift in frisian and polabian teritorries
Read about the massacre at Verden, then you can wonder how Merkel with a smile on her face could accept a price named after one of the worst mass murderer in history. A person who killed ancestors to Germans, including the Saxons and forced the rest to convert to Christianity. And forced them to pay taxes to the papacy and Charlemagne for the rest of their lives and their descendants lives. Saxons were kinsmen of the Vikings, and so the history started. There are two elements in that price, both are lies. Bravo, Merkel.
@@speerboom Stefan, sorry for the late reply but a hearty thank you for the wonderful and detailed information. It now makes so much sense and those mysterious puzzle pieces are falling into place. Thanks again! :)
Thanks for shining some light on this subject! Looking forward to the next video. Groetjes uit Groningen :D
Thank you for making interesting and educational videos on my families ancestral history in english. Many of our families came to the US and no longer speak the language and this is an awesome way to drop bits of our history into my son's day, and mine.
thank you for making this video. i have been waiting forever to see a video like this.
Glad you enjoyed it man! There’ll be more videos in the series in two weeks!
Zoekende naar wat background info over mn ck3 pictish roleplay kom ik bij deze video uit. Geniaal man! Thanks voor dit mooie stukkie geschiedenis!
Very interesting, informative and well put. Thank you. I feel enriched with new knowledge about my own country. 😘
Goede video. Was hier al benieuwd naar. Thanks!
As a Brazilian, I probably don't have any kind of relation to The Netherlands, but either way, this topic is truly fascinating, I love learning about stuff that I would have probably never heard of otherwise!
you might have some dutch ancestors. i found this wikipedia page for you pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Holanda
Very good story and video and very interesting. Please keep it up!
Genetically iberian and Sardinian, Spanish and English speaker and Dutch student. I recently found your channel, I'm of course subscribed now! What an amazing job you do. Also damn, your pronunciation in almost every language I heard you is excellent!
I love learning about the Viking age in my home country. In fact my grandmother was Frisian and she taught me a little about the language and customs and such.
Of course you do
Americans: ah, you're Dutch! So you're from Holland!
No! You can't just take an entire country and condense it to Holland! Condense it to Frisia instead.
Since a frisian named Holland it kinda counts as condensing it to Frisia 😉
Holland is the only part of the Netherlands that matters anyway, so it's not weird it's called that way
Limburg auwhoer.
@@MrTruth-ib5ce Limburg😂😂 reserve belgen
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Hilbert, I really appreciate all you do to make the history of Frisia available to the world. As a Frisian-American (Cornelius Hiemstra until I was adopted) I was surprised to find that I was 11% Scandinavian. I was not aware of the extent of Frisian and Viking interaction. Keep up the good work.
My dad used to say you know you're dealing with a Frisian if their last name ends in sma, ma or stra. Another way to identify them is just talk for a while and they will tell you. :) LOL
Research Rurik of Dorestad (NL). He was a Viking chief of some rank who had his headquarters in Dorestad. The Vikings also used the old Roman fort at Utrecht as a base of operations.
My dad is from the south, and my mother is frisian. 50% frankish 50% scandinavian genes from ginetic tests.
On st Patrick's Day your Irish?
Cornelius is actually a Roman name. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelia_gens A political clan (plebs) which had (?) connections into Germania Secunda. You identified first with the clan-name, than your personal name than your familyname : Cornelius Hilbert van Holland. In the Low Countries are still more peoples with this double-name with Cornelius. Corn = horn, the horny ones...
Hi, I find this interesting, as in late 1600's there was a merging, in Norfolk, of my Norman Male line and a Nederlands Female Line. They were both Non-Conformists and were escaping the upheaval in Western Europe at the time. My line was variously spelt, Cademain, Ca di main, and of course Cadman. The female line was Rutte, Ruttee, Rootee. They shared a common craft of Silk Weaving. I've put the family tree on pause, (I'm 72 and have worked on it for 40 years) to enjoy (damn virus) some retirement.
Look forward to your continuing videos on this subject Stay safe.
Maybe some of their ancestors were also involved with linen. The process that in English is called Retting is in Dutch called Roten (see nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roten)
Rutte is still a family name in the Netherlands, the prime minister at the moment is a Rutte
Do you have any tips on how to find out more about your ancestors? I am also interested in my family tree but I don't know much past my great grandparents..
@@Adama.1 just one site
allefriezen.nl/zoeken/persons?ss=%7B%22q%22:%22adama%22%7D
Remember, finding new names and dates will take you a lot of time
(copy this tekst somewhere in a txt/doc).
NOTE - in 1811 Napoleon ordered that all Dutch people have to have a sure name.
(before they often give a kid a first name and after that came the firts name of the father + an S (Kate Bills Kate from Bill))
Now before you start create TWO special TXT files Name then like Adama info.txt and ADAMA family tree.txt
In the 1st = Put in there all info you'll find on internet, including the http adresses (to find it back later on).
Keep on top of that file a small dictionary Dutch-English with common words like Voornaam = First Name
In the 2nd (my notation system) make a tree starting with you or your kids ON THE BOTTOM and work your way up
(NOTE - be sure of the facts your fill in. One wrong person ....and you follow the wrong family line (without knowing it)
Write down in one line - FULL name - Birth town (and village name if mentioned) - birthday (profession when given) - † -
- name Township of death - date (town buried) - ∞ - town date of marriage - WITH
2nd line - the same for the partner
3th (make a tab) Dad's data (be frugal with letters in the following lines)
4th (make 2 tabs) Dad's Dad's and Mom's data on two lines (and so on)
5th - KIDS out of this marriage (and put a ★ in front of your ancestor)
6th - (and maybe more lines) data for each kid on ONE LINE
So you get like this (always your ancestor on the first line and sure name in Capital letters)
Jan ADAMA Zweeloo 17-04-1836 † Meppen (Zweeloo) 05-12-1872 ∞ Oosterhesselen 03-05-1861 WITH
Willemtje JALP Zweeloo 05-12-1831 † Meppen (Zweeloo) 06-02-1873 daughter of
Uit dit huwelijk:
1. Hendrik Jans doop Dwingeloo 04-11-1759 doop is baptism
★ 2. Tijmen (of Tieme) Jans van Ankorven Dwingeloo 14-06-1760
3. Femmigje Jans doop Dwingeloo 24-07-1763 died before 1766
4. Femmigje Jans doop Dwingeloo 17-08-1766 died before 1775
5. Hendrikje Jans doop Dwingeloo 06-08-1769
6. Femmigje Jans doop Dwingeloo 18-06-1775
I search on name AND date of birth on Google or go to (and make Favorites/Bookmarks)
allefriezen.nl/zoeken/persons - - friesarchiefnet.nl (english)
- www.openarch.nl - www.voorouders.net -
- www.wiewaswie.nl - www.geneaservice.nl - www.uwstamboomonline.nl
For names and dates on graveyards (often buried together)
www.graftombe.nl - www.online-begraafplaatsen.nl -
BTW If you find a very important site you can copy the whole page online as an PDF on
webpagetopdf.com (I always open that site in a new tab)
@@Adama.1 and
www2.tresoar.nl/genealogie/bs/index.php?znaam=adama&taal=ned&submit=Zoek
dank voor de video man
Love the video.
En een heerlijk goed gebruikt van verschillende talen die allemaal naar mijn oren perfect uitgesproken zijn!
thank you for the interesting video
Thanks for watching Emily!
Fantastic video! I knew the Norse and the Netherlands (well, Frisia) had quite a bit of common history but never really knew many of the details. Thank you! This may also explain why I look a heck of a lot more like a Dane than a classic Dutchman.
Thank you! This is only part one in the series so in the next one I’ll look at some of the Danes who came and settled in Frisia - so maybe an ancestor of yours who knows ;)
@@historywithhilbert146 As a kid, 30 years ago, I spent all my summer holidays on the Jutish (Danish) iseland, Rømø and we often went to Sylt where they speak German and North Frisian. What surprised me the most was, that I actually understood words and short sentence of North Frisian without knowing any of it. Also the soundscape of Rømsk (the Danish dialect spoken on Rømø) and North Frisian was quite alike.
I think I know most of the history, but I am really liking your telling of it. Very nice.
Good stuff! Tige dank.
Het wachten is bijna over:)
Leuke video, heel erg bedankt!
As a proud Frisian this brings a big ass smile to my face, educating the peoples of the world about my people and my province💪🏻
I love to talk to people about the history of Fryslân, but a youtube video about Fryslân will do a much better job than i ever could.
Good video, good content. Bad that it is in three parts. DAMN!
my grandfather is friaia and i just love Learning about Frisian history and the people i really would love to go there
Great job on the Frisian subtitles!
Cool! I'll be looking forward to the north-Frisian episode especially, lots of grave hills and remains of settlements dotted around the north- German islands.
I'm a weekend a away in Friesland, Nice to wake up with some history of the area :) thanks
Me before the intro: meh
Me after the intro: Voor Oranje!
Awesome videos about my direct heritage brother!
Mooie video, ik was een paar maand geleden nog naar de tentoonstelling geweest in het fries museum over de vikingen en hoe we met elkaar verbonden zijn. Als een groninger heb ik zo mn vooroordelen over friezen, maar alsnog woon ik liever in Ljouwert dan in Amsterdam.
Ik heb ook nooit die rivaliteit van Friezen en Groningers begrepen. Groningers waren tot een paar honderd jaar geleden zelf Fries (sowieso nog tot de 17e eeuw kwa identificatie), de Ommelander vlag komt van het wapen van koning Radboud en zelfs het Groningse dialect is deels Fries (Friso-Sakische dialect).
Excellent video
Thank you!
I am a subscriber, even hav the notification bell activated and only now does YT show me. :\ Anyway, so glad you are back with a video that captures fascination.
As a Dutchman (proud to have Frisian neighbours slightly north of the town of Meppel, where I live) it's astounding to hear you pronounciate Frisian (Frsyk) effortlessly and - to the ears of a willing yet not so capable beholder - flawlessly as well.
Don't know if that's your native tongue, Hilbert, but if so, you'd do me a great pleasure if you were to make a coherent series of videos on Frisian history some time.I think it's about hight time someone told the "Hollanders" they are neither the centre of the universe, nor the original inhabitants of the land. I know there is the Fryske Canon on YT, but I find that rather cumbersome and shows only certain periods or events, without showing a long term development, not even close to quenching a thirst for knowledge on the subject.
And maybe... now we're at it... a few videos on the Frisian language and how it differed from other Germanic languages.
Final remark: I'm 53 years old now and I once made the mistake to study Public Administration Sciences (bestuurskunde) in Rotterdam. There just wasn't employment to be found for historians other than as a history teacher (if one was lucky). If you were to reccommend a postdoc course for non historians in the Netherlands, which university would be the place to study? Or do I have to apply for British citizenship?
Kind regards, Peter
Very nice!
copyright strike for Wilhelmus: *happens*
The Dutch: *Z E G M A K K E R*
J E B E N T A L G E K O L O N I S E E R D
*V E R W I J D E R K O K O S N O O T*
Het is niet echt dat je van kontseks houdt.
Mooi! Goed gedaan!
I really love your channel, it takes a history accurrate look at a lot of things. In this world of misinformation is wonderful that some people are doing the right thing. Mind if I ask how many languages can you speak?
Ikad is in love everyone congratulations 👏 Ikad
He he.. Eindelijk een goeie video hier over.. Held😁🍻
Dankje! Er komen meer!
@@historywithhilbert146Ik zit al sinds zaterdag te wachten 😂
I come from Frisia and i AM realay proud on that🤘🏼
Hi ...fathers from there.
Names Henstra.
I love your videos they are spot on I tried reading the Beowulf, could read most of it
Thank you so much! You can get a fair bit of Old English just with knowledge of the modern language but add knowledge of Dutch or German or especially Frisian and it opens up even more.
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the Zuiderzee didn’t exist in that time. There was a lake, the flevolake, in the south part of it. But above it it was all land. Look on old maps. The region with Frisians was quite large then.
After some terrible floods the lake connected to the North Sea and became an open sea-arm. And the north became islands. (The wadden islands)
It also explains west Friesland. After the flooding it was separated from the rest of Frisia.
(I always wondered as kid how it was possible that it was called west Friesland with a whole sea between them and Friesland. It’s a long ride from WFriesland to Friesland.)
They weren’t terrible floods,it’s just nature,like saying ice age is bad,no,it’s not bad,is just nature doing its work
Just so you know, at 4:47 the subs say Dhaka instead of Dokkum :p
AFAIK the Frisians never killed a Christian bishop in Bangladesh.
nice Channel , do Dutch Caribbean Islands next . thanks
Furthermore there's proof that Frisians regularly hooked up with the Vikings in raiding and trading. There are settlements in England which names have a Frisian origin. Ain't that cool? ;-)
yeah, but old Frisian is also the root language of old English.
@@thehellhound8582 sorry HellHound, I beg to differ. Frisian and English came from the same Germanic forerunner. They're more like brother or sisterlanguages. Ingeuvoons is I believe the proto language where we are lokking for. It's offspring are: frisia, danish, frankish, swedish and english. Maybe saxon too (I can't remember that correctly, who pitches in, here?)
There’s Frisian place names that have origin in France, so are we French too?
@@hirsch4155 Lower-Frankonian. ..Not bloody French!! lol
About the topic. Turns out that in West-Flanders (the current province and more than what you pointed out) Old Frisian was spoken there. What maybe explains why we Belgians can't understand a single thing of what they say.
I really need to look into the situation in West-Flanders at the time because there's all sorts of interesting things with them aiding the Vikings and crossing over with the Great Heathen Army and indeed as you say in terms of the West Flemish dialect and whether that's due to Old Frisian being spoken there rather than some form of Old Coastal Dutch.
@@historywithhilbert146 Another fun fact is that the Normans settled in Normandy only because they refused the proposed county of Flanders because the area was still swampy (hence why Flanders was derived of the germanic word flauma).
A really good book is De Bourgondiërs from Bart van Loo. Who talks about the influence of the Burgundian dukes on the low countries with also earlier history about how the county of Flanders was transformed from swamps to the economic and metropolitan area it became in the 13th century. And it is also available for free on Google podcasts and narrated by the author.
I didn’t actually know he was offered Flanders first. From what I’ve read Norwegians and Danes had already been settling the Upper Seine Valley and so the French king legally giving him rights over it only made him de jure ruler when he already was de facto. And thank you for the suggestion I’m totally going to go and listen to that tomorrow now! This is why I love talking to you guys because I find so much out and get great suggestions for podcasts and books 😍😍
Other people live there now. Genetically and ethnically.
@@historywithhilbert146 I have been told the vikings were scared of the people below the Rhine
Finally! Some representation for my ancestors! And I get to learn!
Boniface was in Dhaka? I thought it was in Dokkum.
Love the subtitles.
Amazing 😂 I should go through and edit the place names hahaha
Greetings from a fellow frisian, whats your oppinion about the battle of Norditi and the frisians resistance serving as a pretex for the frisian freedom
A goeie! En dankewol foar dyn fraach! (I'll continue in English seeing as you asked in English)
It's an interesting idea but one that I think is a later fabrication rather than based on a historical truth just as is the case with the story of Magnus Forteman. What I do think it likely and what there is evidence for is that Frisians received special privileges, like the fact that in the Lex Frisonum they're exempt from military service outside of the demarcated boundaries of Frisia laid out.I'll be covering the Battle of Norden later in this series but it will be right at the other end when the real intense ninth century Viking Age was coming to an end for the Frisian coast.
In the 60's a movie was made called "The Warlord".It was set in Northern France at the turn of the first millenium. In it Friesians are depicted as Viking era raiders. Other than some historical inaccuracy it's defenatly worth a watch. Better than most modern efforts I think.
I think I turned this on once when I was watching TV and saw the raiders described ax Frisian and thought it was interesting. Didn’t know then that point there was a historical precedent for what was being shown though!
Someones up early besides me .Yea, allways liked 'The Warlord'.The armor looks pretty accurate and Heston does a good job.Still have a copy of it on VHF somewhere.
Thank you for this video. I have a copy of Beowulf. With this video, I understand the book better!
As always nice video Hilbert. It would be interesting if you would make a Video on Viking Age Russia and the Varangians. Most people only really know about the western Vikings, the Varangians are ignored for the most part by western audiences. It is actually really sad if you think about all the great accomplishments of the Vikings in the East.
Nice video... Currently reading "Strijd om West-Frisia" by Kees Nieuwenhuijsen (do you know the book?) which actually starts at the end of the Viking age in Frisia and covers the period until about 1050. Your video gives more context to the book with regard to the relation with the Vikings. Can't wait till the next video!
Thanx Edwin you got me intrested in the book. Orderd a copy aswell!
@@Doubtfull1988 enjoy reading the book.... ;)
I was in Asselt last week, Used to be a big viking camp around 882 from where they plundered Maastricht
So fun to watch if you are dutch, also great info!
I am more amazed by your impeccable pronounciation of Fryslan's (and English/Dutch, it's better than my accent as a bilingually raised dutchie)
Tankewol, one thing that stands out studying Fryske cultuur, is that the Frisian culturally were Vikings, centuries before the Viking age actually started, even the romans knew about them being notorious Seafaring raiders and merchants who traveled wide and far and even on the Faroe Islands - people do not sing songs of the Vikings and their raids - but of the Frisians, where they take on the same roll in songs and history as Vikings do in other places in the world.
Ik heb me altijd afgevraagd in hoeverre wij connecties met de Noormannen hadden in deze periode. Zeer onderbelicht, dus dankjewel!
Vrij veel eigenlijk, ook met ander volkeren uit Europa. Dorestad (tegenwoordig Wijk bij Deurstede) was rond de 7e tot de 9e eeuw zo'n beetje de epicentrum voor handel in Europa.
Goede video!
Got this video in recommended and didn't know about your channel beforehand, but I have to ask: are you a Frisian/Dutchman who learned English, an Englishman who learned Dutch and Frisian, or were you raised multilingually? Also, great video.
Welcome to the channel! Hope you found the video interesting. My parents are both Dutch so I was raised bilingual when I grew up in England. My dad speaks Frisian as well which I’ve been learning on and off for a few years.
@@historywithhilbert146 Well, that explains that! Ik kom zelf uit Groningen (het Groningse gedeelte vlakbij Friesland) en ik ga naar school in Leeuwarden, dus ik versta ook redelijk goed Fries. Ik dacht al iemand die zo goed Engels, Nederlands en Fries spreekt, dat kan geen toeval zijn.
Gast. Goeie shit. Ik subscribe alvast voor de volgende
Now do Viking age inn Norway please.
Love you video btw.
Aron Saga Like nearly every Vikings video on YT? Just search for it he did it so many times already
glad im not the only person fascinated by their family's history
If you want a visual version of some of this history, I really recommend the Dutch movie Redbad from 2018 made by Roel Reine. That director also made a movie about Michiel De Ruyter with epic seabattles.
Not really historicly accurate, but sure fun to watch
Mooi filmpje! Nog wel een aantal spelfouten in de Fryske ondertiteling, je mag mij altijd (gratis) inschakelen om ze voor je te checken, Hilbert!
So which song is the one that starts at @7:20? I'm assuming it's Danheim but I don't know which piece.
Hope the focus on the Frisia/the Netherlands continues, would love to see something about the Netherlands under the Burgundian era.
Kan echt niet wachten tot part 2 haha
I know the video touches down mostly on the time period 700 to 810 AD but what is interesting and what several old maps suggest as well as history and research, is that around 300 to 400 AD, Frisia or rather Magna Frisia was land that actually extended all the way up to the coast line of what later became Denmark. Knowing this and in fact the Romans not simply "departing" but being fought off by the Frisii (over time), are some important facts that I missed in this video but nonetheless a nice video :)
Your Dutch and frysian pronunciations are pretty good!
"Central Because Liminal" is a really good title.
It is! It's a great article too if you get the chance to read it it's in the description!
Indeed
You really nail those languages, are you dutch or Frisian by any chance? I’m Frisian myself.
Thanks for telling us when to turn on the subtitles for the people with knowledge of English, but not Dutch or Frisian. I was wondering if you can do a video on how the Danes in the Danelaw impacted and changed the English language. I know that the to be verbs and the pronoun of they came from Old Norse. I really find it interesting to track the history of a language, especially English with weird spelling and pronunciation. That is why I like reading out loud Spanish and Japanese compared to English.
My family's Frisian (live in Canada). My sister got a DNA test. It showed ahem 'significant' northern European heritage. Pillaging or peace - who knows.
I mean that could be why but there's a lot of contact in that North Sea region from the Bronze Age and into the later Middle Ages with the Hansa etc.
@Gary Daniel In English it says "Am I of German blood" referring to the country Germany, unfortunately.
"Am I of pagan blood" would be cool though😂
@Gary Daniel The Dutch national anthem was originally the song of the Dutch royal family from before they were the royal family, and, just like most other European royalty, the family was originally from what is now Germany.
There is also a line in the anthem about honouring the king of Spain, the reason for that is because at one point they actually did honour him and ruled (parts) of the Netherlands for him.
I think "Duitse bloed / german blood" is a misconception from the words Diets and Duits? Or maybe I'm confused with the English word for the Netherlands: Dutch, which is derived from Diets (which means people/volk) and not Duits.
@Gary Daniel Many think that but they say what is essentially, 'Dietsen' instead of Duits(en) bloed (blood). Dietsen refers to a pan-Dutch idea of the people or volk (so this includes Belgium, Luxembourgh and parts of northern France).
Hey maat hoe is het. Is het mogelijk om een soortgelijke video te krijgen over de andere grote Germaanse groep in Nederland. De saxen. Die geschiedenis is ook ongelofelijk interessant en het zou mooi zijn om hier een video over te maken.
Got some more fun fact for you, practically from 300 ad onward (or maybe earlyer) the word Frisian was synonymes for traders (no matter where they came from). They traded non stop from Norway to Scotland, Ireland to France and Spain. After the collaps of the Western Roman Empire the Frisians where the first peoples to mint there own coins, whitch was one of the main reasons that Charlemagne and the Danes wanted control over the region. Last but not least a very unpopular fact, most if not practically everyone living in Friesland today is not decended of the old frisians, but mostly from the peoples of Holland and some Saxons. The Frisians mostly left the part of the Netherlands to move to the German West/Ost Friesland. What was stil pagan at the time. If you want to read more about it I recomend the book "The Edge of the world" by Michael Pye. (Or if you prefer it in Dutch "Aan de rand van de wereld, hoe de Noordzee ons vormde" Keep up the good work, cheers!
Thank you! My ancestors came from Ostfreisland in the 1860s and there are records from before. The family surname ends in -ga and I've read this means legitimately Frisian, but I'm still trying to find out. Thank you for your book suggestion!
Thanks
interesting video. thank you for doing it. I was wondering where did you find the info? wouldn't mind looking it up my self. Also it may help me find what am looking for. Looking for the pagan gods and goddesses that they worshiped. I did find some info saying that it was a mix between celtic and germanic gods but not much is found.
one of the best Publisher on Germanic gods writes under the name of Gardenstone , a bit in no nonsense style but hes very popular and might be hard to come by.
Thanks for making this vid and placing Fryslân in a special spot. I believe its important to break existing social-political prejudice relating to contemporary Fryslân that of course changed a lot in 1400 years. I still have a lot of questions (could anyone explain to me why you think my language Frisian & Dutch are important?)
Political speaking our province is definitely not the most "ondergeschoven kind" in the nation, that one would go to Groningen. No one can doubt the fact that some regions are more ignored and neglected by our national politics. Things are good the way they are here in the Súdwesthoeke, there is a lot of tourism and it's not that crowded. I'm not advocating for more attention or development. I believe it's a good thing if people are more comfortable with embracing being Frisian, it creates some sort of social justice, and this video would definitely help.
Speaking on a social level, in the city, the majority speaks Dutch and on the country-side majority speaks Frisian. Some people don't want to be identified with Frisian, because it's associated with people from the countryside and many people hold prejudice to them. They are often farmers who are lower educated, their tempo of life is slower than people in the city, etc. What is problematic is that this is entirely self-reinforcing. There is brain drain, people are not coming back (lack of job opportunities) and most of these emigrating educated people are not identifying as Frisian.
How I know this? I was born and raised in Fryslan and like many others; I left the province to study, unlikely to ever go back. Throughout the years I noticed that outside of Fryslan many (not all), with Frisian origin, will try to hide it. Many of these ethnic Frisians use dog whistles, some can smell if you are from Fryslan and call out the(ir) elephant in the room just to see your reaction, others deliberately use vocabulary considered faux-pas in Fryslan (but acceptable outside of it).
Why do some Frisians do this? It’s obvious, here are three examples: because if you say you are Frisian, you are often times expected to say something in Frisian for fun. The only good things I've heard about my province from my peers is our pride and the presence of beautiful lakes. One professor, working on the gas controversy, even told me that these marginalized provinces (specifically Groningen) should be happy to be part of the Netherlands, because we've been profiting from the Economy in Holland and the Rotterdam harbour.
My mother's father was East Frisian. I have a old picture of the farm there. He was a farmer here too. He spoke German but not Frisian that I know of. A recent DNA test confirmed I am at least 25 % East Frisian.