The Bondo Trick You Don't Know Part 2 - Work & Finish Filler 3x Faster !!! - DIY Auto Restoration
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As a semi retired guy looking to learn to restore cars for a hobby, these instructional videos are great! Short, to the point, and very clear and simple to understand. New subscriber here.
Thank You. Im the guy trying to rebuild a 62 Merc Comet. Im working on a Theme Park pay budget. I was gonna use the less is more method. You are a well spoken, easy to understand and speaking slow.
Thank you.....
If you have any questions, leave them in the comments and I will try to help. Thank you for supporting the channel ! Good luck on the Merc !
Started using the "cheese grater" rasp when they first came out. An old model I have has an adjustable bar that can be extended, you cut the grater to whatever length you want to use. They work great to quickly bring the filler down for shaping. Timing its use is important! Your videos are excellent, you have the skill and talent needed to do great work!
I call them cheese graters. And you can buy additional graters and switch them out. Thanks man. I like your vids. Thank you for not being condescending. It's huge in my book. 👍🤘
@LilDirt12 Thanks brother !
@@guzzifabrication3448 sister. Lol. But no offense taken. I'm called dude by my boyfriend and friends. 🤭
Do you know you’re the first guy that I see that teach that I learn that in the 90s from my old school guy? I’m glad you brought it up
Not alot of new guys have seen this, just passing it on, Merry Christmas
Hey man, it's great that you're teaching the young generation the right way of using body filler. This video brought me back to the 70s when they used to call me the bondoman. You're doing it exactly the way we did it back then. The only difference I see is that we used to move the chess grader, or the sanding block, in a cross motion to leave the surface completely level, it's very important if you're doing a whole door or half a hood.
Thanks !
Hey, I used this method on the whole side of my 65 Chevelle, I didn't use the cheese grater, I used 40 grit with a long board, primer filler and blocked it and primed it and blocked it and the end result was laser straight panels! I feel the more you sand that filler with finer grit paper, the more of a chance your gonna put waves in it! Just my opinion! Thanks Man!👍👍
@@douglash3129 Awesome !!! Thank you for the feedback !
Been using cheese graters for years..learned it’s better to apply 3 thin coats rather than 1 thick also.. discovered a wire coat hanger (bent in half) is good to “beat” filler out of clogged sand paper..
I haven't heard the coat hanger one before. Thanks for the comment and have a great new year
@@guzzifabrication3448 yeah, used old filler to make a “handle” for the wire…
Yup.
Been using a 'half round' rasp for a lot of decades.
One thing I'll do to clean it our is to simply use the wire brush portion of my bench grinder. I can't recall when I bought the last rasp...but it's been a long time.
Thanks for posting.
Thanks @russdavis1960 ! Merry Christmas !
Great video. I have the small block style grater but I think I'm gonna get some longer ones and use without a holder for more precise control.
The half round graters work the best, you can find them at an autobody supply store.
We called them cheese graters.😂 Yes, these are a great tool to use!
Thank you Sir ! have a great new year !
Even though I’ve read about using a rasp, you confirmed that I need one when I start on my project.
It will make life much easier , Merry Christmas !
Used to use those rasps. Really don't see them being used much. Dad used to use them probable 30 years ago. Thanks for sharing.
Man U know your stuff. Thanks for all the tips over the years.
Just passing on an old time body man trick ! Thanks for supporting the channel !
Where I live they are know as a Surform - the Stanley brand name.
I've used them for many years - life is too short to have at it with sandpaper.
Even if the filler has hardened, it still takes lumps off easily.
Thanks for the input ! Have a great new year !
lake side autobody uses this method as well ,I'm no body man but this method saves many hours of sanding , I could probably use 40 grit instead of 80 grit as well to speed up the process thanks for the tips ,my 91 GMC turned out well using this method .
Huge time and material saver.... just trying to pass on what somebody showed me a long time ago. Appreciate the comment
I've been doing that for years it's great for getting the rough shape but stay away from the edges it will just take it all off 👍👍👍
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I have used thinner on a rag, to dry the suface of the vondo so the sandpaper doesn't clog. Works well.
Hey thanks for the info !
I'm entertained and educated from your videos! Keep up the good work
Yes Sir ! Merry Christmas
I used these blades for years. But I have found with the easier sanding fillers available now, that they have fallen from the preferred tool status. Also, one has to be careful not to damage or score the filler, therefore making further work. Yes, they have a purpose. But I think it's an individual's choice.😁
Another tool for the tool box
Been using that method for decades. I guess. I just assumed everyone else figured that out. Great, helpful post for many folks. I let it finish curing before sanding. After the full cure, I use an orbital with a higher grit. Again.....really helpful for many.
Yes Sir, just passing it on to the new generation 👍
Hey Robert. Great video. I have used the grader before and really didn't like it. And that was because I was using it wrong. I waited too long to use it. Now that I know how you use it, I'll buy another one and try it out. Thanks for sharing.👍👍🍁
Yeah, brother, there is a time window. If you miss it , the grater can't Be used but if you're in that time window, there is no better way to shape and form body filler as fast and easy. Good luck on your project
Thanks Robert. See, I didn't know about the time window. And of course, the company that makes/ sells these don't give any information. Thanks again.,
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Been using cheese graters for years. I like the little one usually use the small one hand rasp
Awesome ! makes a huge difference in working the filler !
Cheese graters /rasps are great tools..
Yes they are!
Thanks for another great informative video. Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Thanks ! Merry Christmas to you and family as well !
Another excellent video. Merry Christmas brother! Back here in Springs
Thanks brother ! hope you guys have a great Christmas !
I love my rasp. I have the small rasp and versatility is great...oh and the flat metal one too!
Awesome Merry Christmas !
I used to do a lot of wood work, I used the small rasp for shaping corners all the time, it works great.
It saves a ton of time shaping, that's for sure.
Yep it works.
Been doing it since 1978.
Good advice.
Just passing on old time tricks. Have a great new year !
The longer flat ( cg) I'd take off the holder, they are best for larger radius outside curves, VW bug per say, and if you take a cut off wheel to the half round, in the shape of a point V, it's easy to get in hard to reach places, like corners.
Hey thanks for the input happy new year
I’m working on a boat from 1959 it’s a Ockebo Moboat and i have a lot of bondowork i will try both yours tips going to be fun
A have taking the hull under the waterline from a SeaDoo put in the flat bottom boat so now i have V-shape and waterjet on a very old boat!
Awesome ! Hope it helps
You can use hacksaw blades also, works well
Thanks for the info !
I also get a kick out of people who say ,DONT USE THE "BONDO" BRAND BECAUSE ITS JUST CRAP. GUESS WHAT EVERYONE...............................................................
.THE BONDO BRAND IS ACTUALLY MADE BY 3M. Its still a 3m product.
THANK YOU !!!! most of the negative comments come from people with little to NO experience...... AKA keyboard jockeys, never been in the trenches...... Have a great new year and thanks for the comment !
Great tip ! I have tried this before and it really works.
I must*thank you sincerely*
For not calling this *"a hack"*
Trick, technique, even better!
Thanks, I really dislike the word " hack "
I appreciate this video.
It will make your life easier if you use correctly.I appreciate your comment.Thank you Sir!
Great channel! Thanks for sharing the tips and reminders 👍
Thank you Sir !
Back on the old days (1980's) we dint even know the cheese grater had a holder or tool. I stumbled upon if you clog your grater with bondo you can soak it in water & it will clean up easy . I had a mixing board made out of counter top left over ( cabinmate shop neat by) I would clean off the left over with a razor blade , The plastic applicators clean up better if you peel it off after its cured. If going for a flat skim coat use a metal putty knife.
yeah I never use a cheese, wow I never heard the water trick, I'll give that a try. Merry Christmas !
My best option for a mixing board was a toyota rear door's glass and whenever it got dirty with some leftover hard bondo it was very easy to clean it with the grinder. I miss the good old days, man!
@@luckyvids Thanks for the comment
it that the tinned out filler. havent mixed any yet to see how it sands
More than 20% added resin and the mixs gets a little harder to sand but either way this method works on both. Merry Christmas
cool thanks Merry Christmas too you too.@@guzzifabrication3448
I've used those rasps on wood, for a long time, for forming shapes, mostly...
Awesome Thanks for the comment !
I've always known those files as 'Surform' by Stanley and they are a wood working file, not metal or Bondo file.
?? they are awesome for working filler....
I was a body man in an auto body shop in the 70s and we used cheese graters then. Many body men didn't knew about the use of the cheese graters but it did made a hell of a difference to finish the sanding in half the time.
Feedback: voice over is awesome.
This video would have sucked if you were narrating while doing the work.
Thanks !
Drywall section at da Big Box places. Make life so easy building a house.
As long as your arm doesn't get tired...
Subscribed, thank you for putting this info out there!!
Hey man I really appreciate the sub!!!
Thank you for sharing the benefit of your experience!!
Just passing on old time tricks, thanks !
Great video. Thanks!!!
Thank you Sir ! I hope it helps in your bodyworking
Tanks a nice video and happy new years to you
Thank you Sir ! Best wishes to you and family in the new year !
Excellent info & delivery. Where were you 27 years ago!? Thank you for sharing.
Thank you Sir ! I hope you can use it now, hey have a great new year !
3:28 when I moved into my first apartment I had never painted a house before, I had painted cars.
I literally was using a rasp on the walls to try and get them smooth, treating it like it was a car.
My landlord finally saw it and laughed and said you've only painted cars, haven't you... He dunked the roller in the paint and ran it up a section of the wall. I hadn't used the rasp on yet... And you couldn't see anything. You couldn't see any of the crap I was trying to remove
So far I have not used any body filler, not at that stage on my project. When I do I'll be so glad I learned from this video!!. Your videos are great! When MIG welding longer joins, like replacing the bottom 6" of an out door skin do you use the same tenique as in the smaller patches? Appreciate your lessons! Thanks.
Thanks for the heads up
Great
I used a hacksaw blade to knock of most of the top layer and even off the body before putting on a second layer if needed. Once you knock off the shiny layer it's easier to sand.
Haven't tried that one.
@guzzifabrication3448 it feathers the bonds edges better and it has a finer finish. Less gouges.
@@heyxilongI'll try that
The filler is your problem. Try gold. Sand it with a file with 36 to shape right before it gets fully hard, just as soon as it doesn't gum the paper. The durablock you had was the best. You were just using it wrong. You have to keep switching directions. Also, you won't have to press hard if you use gold. You will kick yourself if you ever try it. Last fact, a cheese grater is for someone that didn't do their metal work. A hammer and dolly shapes and saves money on materials and produces a better quality job.
You your work best for me. That's y ur coming here remember.
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Very nicely explained
Thanks !!!
Good job
Thank you Sir ! Merry Christmas
I’ve always used cheese graters , just before the bondo starts drying.
Nice ! Merry Christmas
When those rasp hit the market years ago they were intended for wood, you can waste a lot of body filler material with those rasp.
Yes, you can shape and contour filler really quickly . Thanks for the comment !
man I haven't used a cheese file since doing rust jobs in the 80's
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Hacksaw blade woks sometimes.. span long sweeps once applied… cut slit in a board and glue in place, one smooth and other teeth out… then the rasps too… trick is hitting “the window”… temp of surface
Yes Sir, definitely have to be on top of the filler and hit it at the fight time, I've never tried the hacksaw trick, I;ll have to try that one out. Happy New Year.
Thanks
All one more thing cheese grater. Will make pizza dough and cheese graters. Filler up with all the toppings .
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Thanks Merry Christmas
Okay so when your doing the next steps do you add more filler ? As it looks there are light scratches in the bondo from the rasp
Great question, that was a rushed demo, usually with a little more time you should have that issue , however most repairs will require 2 mixes, if it needs a second mix, recoat. Happy New Year !
hardest part for me is getting it just right so I won't see the imperfect surface after using body filler.
Prime, block sand, reprime, block
Do that way all the time
@@gerardgerman9995 Awesome !
Thank you sir 🙏
Thank you !
Usegraders when filler is half hard
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6:01 out of curiosity, why not just thin out your bondo with some fiberglass resin, now it goes on super thin and is easy to sand
Thanks for the trick💥
Thanks for the comment !
I never thought these were any type of secret. I called them a 'Sureform'.
Not everyone know as much as you do.......
Thank you! I did a whole lot of nonsense. I'm feeling discouraged to redo. Do this, I spend a lot of time on my back or butt - really, really hard. No power tools.
I'm not sure I follow What you're saying thanks for the comment friend
Ok BRING SOME Bondough will make something to eat to.
On my way
@@guzzifabrication3448 be out front weightin
What would you say the correct timing is at 75 degrees F? Maybe 10 minutes?
I'll try to make a video over mixing cure times soon. Merry Christmas
Nothing new about cheese graters been around for years. Used them when i did my trade in the 60ties.
But there is more people that don't know than do.... this video is for them.
Bondo on cardboard! It’ll suck out all the benzo-blah-blah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Leave the kid alone, not everybody can be old and know stuff.
I actually use cheese graters
Nice, have a great new year
You been here before yeah it's rough n here. Heck it's rough out there laying on ground watch the glass it's broken. That's the garage where it's going be.
WOW lincoln electric powermigs. how do they take care of you. do you still have them.
I ❤ ! transform machines will last lifetime...
@@guzzifabrication3448 WONDERFUL! you sir have good day nice work keep them videos comming.
Will it work on bonds glass?
Stupid auto correct ***bondo glass***
@@williamhenson1771No doesn't work well with reinforced fillers.
If get on it it's breaking. Christmas wait.
there is no way a team that played as well as cleveland did, falls apart like this unless they were told to.
That's a good reason not to gamble....
WWBBD
what would Bondo Billy do?
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So why not a time frame 15 30 60 minutes to curing??
Mixing body filler and hardener has so many variables it doesn't work that way.....That's a good video idea. Merry Christmas
@@guzzifabrication3448 seen enough fabrications . I appreciate the insight but I look for tricks of the trade . It looks like the bondo and hardener were your professional mix . You put so much emphasis on timing to get it right .
@@guzzifabrication3448great point. Now do a video explaining these variables and how to achieve the window in which to use these tools.
@@FE428Power Thanks for watching !
This isn’t a trick I didn’t know. I learned this back in the 70s.
Well.... why didn't you tell everybody else?..... now I have to show them....
@@guzzifabrication3448 I assumed everyone already knew. 😁
Lead file
A lead file doesn't have holes for the cut material to escape through like a rasp it'll clog up fast
It's a Bondo file.
They won't know what your talking about at the paint store....
This video is straight BS i never use cheese graters I can't stand them and for the record the majority of body technicians do not use cheese graters. You can even look at the video and see all the uneven scratches that are being left behind that looks like a disaster.
This is nothing new, used these forty years ago - found using a 8 inch hog is quicker and better in most cases. Apparently you have not been in the industry for long.
This is for other people, beginners, newbies, normal people ..not you
@@squiggyg.8415 exactly! There's always one guy who wants to look big saying he's seen it before.
This is an absolute trash comment. Thumbs down.
Old timers need to have some self reflection. It's like they don't remember being green at something and feeling nervous about doing the work. They have been good at it so long they have forgotten they also knew nothing at one point.
“ Nothing new” needs a big slice of humble pie.
BONDO? Only amateurs use Bondo.
I see the point is over you head.... big picture
I hate to pop your your bubble but I learned how to use them 40 years ago in vocational body shop class that's nothing new that's old school and it works well