In the book it is beautifully explained that Scarlett was scared at first and she struggled but he kissed her with such passion that the world around her disappered and she wanted him as badly as he wanted her. And since it is quite difficult to show her emotions and thoughts in the movie, they showed it with her happiness the morning after. Anyone who says it is abuse or rape clearly wasn't paying much attention to the storyline of the movie and sure as hell never read the book. It was actually an incredibly passionate scene in both the book and the movie- this was the moment Scarlett stopped daydreaming about Ashley.
+SoooGood1975 actually they do get back together if you watch the second movie based off the book called "Scarlett" Scarlett and Rhett get back together in the end, realizing that they still love each other. It's actually great unless you like 2nd movies to have the same characters all the time.
+Jada Gunner That sequel, although authorized by Margaret Mitchell's estate, is still purely fanfiction. Mitchell left the ending hanging and will remain as such.
I think that the point of the book was that although she may have changed towards Rhett, it was as usual, mainly for "Scarlett reasons': being taken care of, manipulation of others, self-aggrandizement....I think the point of the book is that she never does change her personality. She's a narcissist.
i love this scence its so romatic in a strange way cause you can see how much it hurts rhett that scarlett loves another man. Rhett just wants scarlett to want him and love him.
this is the only part i wish they made more like the book because it's longer and theres more passion in the book, like for example in the book he grabs her and the top of her dress comes loose revealing her shoulders, and then he carrys her part way up the stairs kisses her and then she kisses him back...THEN he takes her all the way up...not that im complaining i still love this part
the saddest part is, she realized he did love her, and she loved him too that morning, just as he came in thinking she didnt love him and ruined everything again.
When I saw this in the theatre, at the moment when Scarlett woke up the next morning after Rhett forced himself on her, the look on her face made the whole audience go "Whoaaaaaaa. . . . . "
I can see why people think it was rape....but if you've seen the whole movie I think you'd look at it differently. Their relationship was very...well, it was interesting to say the least.
Regardless of what happened in the book, the movie only shows her resisting. It's possible it wasn't rape, but the movie gives no proof of that. We see absolutely no consent. And no, Scarlett waking up happy does not count as consent. Whether a victim acknowledges she has been raped has nothing to do with the rape itself. Sex without consent is ALWAYS rape. This scene only perpetuates the myth that women enjoy being raped and that a husband has the right to force sex from his wife.
"This scene only perpetuates the myth that women enjoy being raped and that a husband has the right to force sex from his wife. " Those aren't myths, you psychopath, it's one ridiculous statement and one moral belief.
Yes. He showed her how great sex is or can be. Too bad all of the sensitive liberal women calling this rape have never experienced great sex with a man
I disagree that it was rape, it is implied in the following scene of Scarlett being particularly pretty happy the next morning and sharing it with Mammy how lovely she was feeling.
I myself didn't get the impression that he raped her. As embosier says, this shows that men had the delusion that women wanted to be overpowered--but in the movies, the women always cease resisting after a moment and show enthusiasm, so it can be considered consensual. When he apologized in the morning, I didn't think he was apologizing for rape, but apologizing for being drunk and loutish.
@Musicelle1 "you have turned me out while you chase Ashley Wilkes, while you dream of Ashley Wilkes. This is not a night your turning me out." thats what he said.
@hopeleannad I actually own the book and I've read it twice. it's pretty good too. There's another book called Scarlett The Sequel to Margaret Mitchell's GONE WITH THE WIND by Alexandria Ripley. It's pretty good too, but it doesn't match up with Rhett Butler's People. I can't help that I'm a Southerner and love my Southern books, people, and heritage. My name is actually Scarlett. My dad named me after Scarlett O'Hara. And I think I got some Irish in me to cause I love land.
I'm a dude, and all the chicks on here saying Rhett forcing Scarlett to have sex with him against her will doesn't count as rape is why I have a hard time respecting the general population of women.
A lot of guys don't see this as rape either (seriously... the amount of guys who don't understand that forcing a person to have sex with you is rape is pretty staggering). That's what people mean by 'rape culture'. It's pretty unambiguously rape/sexual assault, but people use a bunch of bullshit excuses.
I've watched this movie many times, and I still don't know what went on in that room. She seemed pretty happy the next day. All we saw him doing is carry her forcibly up the stairs. Did he rape her or not? it looked like the the beginning of one, so why was she all happy? I really do not know.
Deborah Macaoidh-Selim Because it's a movie, and he was the protagonist, so of course once he'd displayed his powerful manly ways to her she'd forget her objections owing to being completely won over by his assertive nature and musky strength.
Deborah Macaoidh-Selim It's heavily implied that he forced her to have sex with him. The movie and book are from a very different time, and this is seen as a woman's fantasy - despite Scarlett's protest, she eventually gave in to Rhett's rugged manliness, and the next morning, she's overflowing with sexual pleasure, which suggests the night before wasn't entirely non-consensual on her part. Of course, it was off-screen, so I suppose one could imagine whatever they wanted to happened. Maybe they sat up all night playing Yahtzee.
I did watch the movie..it's still rape. She didn't want to have sex with him, and her body language shows it. Rhett is showing his dominance over her because he is the "man" in the relationship. Back then this wasn't considered rape, but this is marital rape.
Not considered rape by WHO and WHAT? The law? Society? People in general? So you're saying there is a huge level of inconsistency then in terms of how rape is to be defined and that it was changing all the time, but at heart and at its most basic level, was it not it and was it not ALWAYS hurtful and deeply humiliating at least on a pure and basic and PERSONAL level? And if the law and society simply did NOT recognize it as such, does that mean that they were evil and selfish or just did not know better? And what if a victim ends up killing themself as a result or their perpetrator...
haha she's not traumatized because she maybe kind of wanted it too lol. I don't think he was so violent with her.. I love her expression like she is satisfied lol
Okay. There is no logic as to how this is sex or even rape. In a sense, it is like bridal carrying. Rhett is trying to coax Scarlett, in the least. Yes, she wakes up day-dreaming, but wouldn't you be if you were her? I, for one, find this the most romantic thing to exist. I'm not joking. The fact people find this as sexual abuse is disturbing. If he DID rape her, she wouldn't be day-dreaming and dazed the next morning, she'd be laboriously traumatized. From personal experience, I can reassure you, yes, the person thinking this, that NO! Rape does not make have a fit and then wake up sastifed. They were prehaps drunk, and, guess what- just because you have sex while drunk does not mean someone touches you inappropriately. In the 1930s, flims were naturally at risk. Again, rape has nothing to with this, or sex. If so, you are sick. Rape is not something to make you smile and talk about in your sleep.
RansomRose77 You misunderstand the problem with this. It is the film itself, the idea it promotes: it says that women like to be 'taken', that women may shake their heads and pull back and say 'no', but really no means yes and this is 'proven' by her happy smile in the morning: men know best what women want and women don't even know themselves what they want. Those are the ideas conveyed in this scene. The fact she doesn't wake up 'traumatised' is the film condoning the notion that men know women better than they know themselves and that rape is somehow a misnomer. I don't know why you doubt that even sex takes place?? This is a 1930s film, they couldn't be pornographic/explicit (!), but it is overwhelmingly obvious that the pair have had sex...how much more of a hint do you need?
@@HavingAGreenDay Lol, what are you talking about? The feminism movement started in Western Europe. Anyway, whether it is western or soviet doesn't make feminism less important.
Scarlett was stupid! Who wouldn't go for someone who looked like Rhett Butler? Besides she married him. And to prefer "stupid Ashley" what a joke! She got what she deserved in the end!
This ^. I don't know of a single woman who likes a controlled and submissive man in the bedroom. In fact I think the reason Scarlett loved Rhett so much was because he was the one man she COULDN'T control. Don't mistake her feistiness for disinterest.
Many civilized people find rape worse than murder and rapists to be worse than murderers themselves. And you complain that they would be in legal trouble?
The thing is, following information on how it is incredibly difficult to prosecute sexual offenders and how they often leave their victims traumatized for life and given how I have heard many times civilized people react with great anger at offenders, even if reality, what with all the victim blaming and whatnot, show how incredibly tragic the matter is for the victims, and the ever growing popularity of rape and revenge films like I Spit on Your Grave and whatnot, as well as the fact that, even more so than murder (believe it or not) it is seen as a highly taboo subject, its often difficult to simply become objective on the matter and not feel a personal great outrage at the perpetrators.
That's the way I'll try to look at it, but I still think it's slightly iffy territory to illustrate that just carrying a woman off to have your way with her despite her protesting is okay because she'll be receptive to it in the end. In this case, that might have been true, but it's still a dangerous portrayal of a situation that could have easily become marital rape had she continued to protest as it looks as if he would have carried on regardless.
@khokhar1969 well in the official sequel she does. apparently, many critics didn't like it which is weird cos the critical praise for it was included in the book's pages. and i loved it. it's called Scarlett: The Sequel to Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind by Alexandra Ripley.
Rhett was a true alpha male. Women don't like weak submissive men who lets the woman control everything. She was giving him a challenge but definitely was turned on by him.
@MikroBadass It's a movie? It's her husband? She wanted it too? It's Clark Gable/Rhett Butler? Back in those days they didn't have shelters, counselors or hot lines? Two stubborn people who were passionate for one another had to come to this to get it done? One or all of the above?
The strong inference is that it was forced in the beginning. The idea was that Scarlett was a stiff necked spoiled brat, pining after Ashley, and just need a real man to put her in his place. Once that was done, she was fine. She had been broken in.
I'm sorry I find it hard to ignore of their relationship with one another. I can't help but think the thrashing and protesting on Scarlett's part was stubborness, at least in this clip. I would only agree with you, if the clip ended with Scarlett making her escape from the estate that morning with her daughter perhaps. It's just not rape overall. And also I can't help but bring the author's intent of who the both of them are as a couple, but whatever. Interpret however you like. So no more. >_>
@needles1987 Which is why I put rape in quotations. I wouldn't think it to be rape! If you ever read the book you would understand that both Rhett and Scarlett wanted that to happen. Hence the way Scarlett acts the morning after!
@shoptilludrop1 but I read that she was a nymphomaniac. I heard that Clark was just "being overheated" although I don't know what that means. But maybe vivien Leigh was also provoking him. Who knows? I just know that Vivien Leigh was notorious for being a nymphomaniac.
Well I must admit I'd much rather see the scene that way. It would make it a great deal less maddening to watch. I'll watch a few more times and try to fit it into my head that way as opposed to my initial assessment and hopefully feel much more at ease watching the film from now on.
I want that Staircase and House. And I saw this at 9 years old. From then on I thought this was what love is. I mean it's not bad lol He had good intentions.
See I'd say in reality, having any woman 'enjoy' marital rape is just a misrepresentation and in bad taste on the part of the filmmakers and not an actual reflection of reality. But that's obviously just because we view the scene differently. I saw it as rape, you obviously saw it as consensual which is fair enough. Obviously we'll never know because we don't actually see what happens once they reach the bedroom and whether she continued to put up a fight or was in fact a willing participant.
There are many examples in filmography of marital rape as something normal. However, this is NOT one of them. Scarlett was being feisty and struggling as he took her, but it is obvious that she was willing in the bedroom by her happy humour and gleamy glow the morning after. No raped woman would wake up happy about it! Why do people even discuss this?
The fact that Scarlet woke up with a smile on her face and rekindled love for Rhett, does not stand in contrast with or even refute the observation that Rhett did use strength to initiate sexual contact with Scarlet, while she tried to fend him off. Since this is a movie, it cannot be expected to be 100% consistent. This movie reflects society's view on men and women at the time when it was made. From the movie scene, gender roles are as follows: "The reluctant woman just needs to be persuaded by a strong man, because when she says no, she actually doesn't mean it". There is no need to explain how seriously problematic that is. Now, can we infer that Scarlet was raped? Yes and no. The actual sex/ rape(?) scene is not shown, we just see what happens before and after. Moving on from the before scene, a realistic inference would be that she was raped, because she did not give consensus and why would she be expected to suddenly change her mind? After all, no means no. However, I don't think that the movie is realistic or was intended to infer that Scarlet was raped and then inexplicably liked it, which would be a glorification of rape. And I also don't think that this is how the audience perceived it back in the days and, judging from the comments, still mostly does not perceive it. When you keep in mind how Rhett (the man) and Scarlet (the woman) are depicted in this scene and take the after sex scene into account, it is even logical to infer that Scarlet gave up resisting and did give her consensus after all. It all depends on the basic assumptions about how men and women (and their sexuality) work. This depiction is what actually needs to be criticized. Seeing how these gender roles are glorified in the comments is quite sad. This movie came out in 1939, and to some extent, Scarlet was depicted as a strong and relatively independent woman, which was quite progressive back then. But the scene shown in this video also shows that the gender roles depicted in this movie are still problematic from today's perspective. However judging from the comments, there are people who still seem to share these outdated gender roles. I don't care about an old movie scene. What's frustrating to me is seeing these reactions.
Julia K: The cat lady in her sweatpants who wishes a “Rhett” would take her up the stairs. Since that’ll never happen, she has to content herself with Häagen-Dazs and pseudo-feminist tirades.
@khokhar1969 I'm not sure if it was arrogance on her part. Perhaps, it was fear of giving in and giving away her feelings, hence making herself vulnerable. And, as you've already pointed out, that's what we see on Rhett's part as well.
@bisquit9230 I think deep down she loves him though. Without knowing it or admitting it because she thinks he's not a proper man to love (and he does his best to be the most irritating fellow). That's the impression I got from reading the book anyway :)
@Ilovemusicanddance10 Yeh, i read that as well, but i think that came later in her life- during her marriage to Laurence Olivier. Also, if she was a nymphomaniac at that time, why would she say no? And to Clark Gable of all people...
@DrBCorwen If this was shown in the film, that would make a difference. But it wasn't, and we're talking about this scene from the movie, or we wouldn't be posting here. What happened in the book is irrelevant. The movie shows an angry drunk man forcibly carrying an unwilling woman, thrashing and protesting, to have sex with her whether she wanted to or not, hence the concern. Think to yourself: even in the book, would Rhett have stopped if Scarlett continued to protest?
Although she may have liked him to act that aggressive, this is still rape. Scarlett's character gets hot when he treats her this way, but if she wasn't like that he would have forced her too.
Because of the scene cut we do not know if he started the sexual activity before or after receiving consent from her. Therefore, it is possible he did not rape her. However, it is very clear from his actions and his words that he didn't care if he had to rape her or not. So he is at heart a rapist.
That smile ... in the morning ... says it all
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@@carolinelynch2823 ravaged and rape are different.
@@carolinelynch2823 what is your deal with female lustiness
@@carolinelynch2823 she's fine duh
You know that Ashley Wilkes was probably a bad lay. Rhett on the other hand…..😊
He walked up those stairs two at a time... 🔥
yes, he and Scarlett, together
In the book it is beautifully explained that Scarlett was scared at first and she struggled but he kissed her with such passion that the world around her disappered and she wanted him as badly as he wanted her. And since it is quite difficult to show her emotions and thoughts in the movie, they showed it with her happiness the morning after. Anyone who says it is abuse or rape clearly wasn't paying much attention to the storyline of the movie and sure as hell never read the book. It was actually an incredibly passionate scene in both the book and the movie- this was the moment Scarlett stopped daydreaming about Ashley.
+SoooGood1975 actually they do get back together if you watch the second movie based off the book called "Scarlett" Scarlett and Rhett get back together in the end, realizing that they still love each other. It's actually great unless you like 2nd movies to have the same characters all the time.
+Jada Gunner That sequel, although authorized by Margaret Mitchell's estate, is still purely fanfiction. Mitchell left the ending hanging and will remain as such.
hmmm interesting, thanks for the clearing that up for me
Vivian said Gable's breath stank and she hated doing these scenes
I think that the point of the book was that although she may have changed towards Rhett, it was as usual, mainly for "Scarlett reasons': being taken care of, manipulation of others, self-aggrandizement....I think the point of the book is that she never does change her personality. She's a narcissist.
I'm currently reading the book and my heart flutters each time Rhett Butler appears on the page. I practically swoon.
How the heck did he carry her up the stairs so easily and two steps at a time.
Vivien Leigh was light and Clark Gable was too strong
Long and strong legs
Vivien Leigh was 5' 3" and around 110 lbs, Clark Gable was 6' 1" and nearly double her weight.
I read an interview last time Vivian Leigh said that the director wanted to perfect this scene. They took 136 shots of this scene to perfect it. 😂
it was the lates 30s. Adults were generally fitter and stronger then than today because sedentary lifestyles weren't the norm.
Next time me and my wife get into a fight (we don’t very often, we actually get along) I’m going to carry her to bed like that. 😂
Your wife will be happy you make sweet love to her...
Very good man!👍💪❤
You are a good husband
i love this scence its so romatic in a strange way cause you can see how much it hurts rhett that scarlett loves another man. Rhett just wants scarlett to want him and love him.
What? This scene is violent
@@ksmith1728I know right! All these people pretending that this is romantic is so strange.
this is the only part i wish they made more like the book because it's longer and theres more passion in the book, like for example in the book he grabs her and the top of her dress comes loose revealing her shoulders, and then he carrys her part way up the stairs kisses her and then she kisses him back...THEN he takes her all the way up...not that im complaining i still love this part
the saddest part is, she realized he did love her, and she loved him too that morning, just as he came in thinking she didnt love him and ruined everything again.
What Rhett did to Scarlett was marital rape.
@@zebra.babes123 why she smile
@@zebra.babes123 oh i agree. it was a very toxic relationship
@@zebra.babes123 oxymoron
she was so happy the next day she broke out in song. good lovin' will do that to you!
She is very happy
Yep. How dare he satisfy his wife sexually....
When I saw this in the theatre, at the moment when Scarlett woke up the next morning after Rhett forced himself on her, the look on her face made the whole audience go "Whoaaaaaaa. . . . . "
heaventree ofstars LOL 🤣
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She was ravaged not forced in the book
Aight I don't buy it. How old are you?
@@wanderlustdreamer7784 1967.
It must have been good, cause of the way she woke up
Don't be so disgusting😠. She have herself to him because of love
@@carolinelynch2823 are you drunk?
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@@user-ss9vp5ps1d no. 😡
@@carolinelynch2823 haha
The smile at the end says it all. :)
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@roberta000 lombardica000 🙍
@@biruss 😂😂 + don’t worry about her. She’s an asexual extremist who’s been trolling all the comments on here
@@ginniekinz5401 more like antisexual
@@biruss True. I'm asexual and understand that this scene is a harmless r*pe fantasy, nothing wrong about that. Some people are just uptight lol.
Still takes my breath away and makes me wish one of my boyfriends wanted me that much.
Nice, but you do know the character Clare Quilty in 'Lolita' is male.
Frank Dudley Berry, Jr. I don't understand your point. I've read "Lolita."
Ok
big salty you Obviously didn’t read the book
The Carole Burnette spoof of this scene was hysterical!
Old Clark must've been hitting the weight room a few weeks before shooting that one.
Not needed she would weigh almost nothing. It is 1939.
Clark was 38 that time. Not too old. It's all because of mustache which make him look old. He look far better without beard.
I want a man like Rhett Butler to carry me up the stairs.
Best solution for every marriage fight 😂😂😂
I still can't believe that Clark Gable didn't want to do this movie!
"It's not that easy Scarlett!"
I am in love with this scene.
If a man carried me up the stairs like that after we fought and laid into me with such passion, I wouldn't be smiling, I'd be begging for more...
You go girl.
And having to go for a smear afterwards and getting pregnant
@@carolinelynch2823 condoms. Pills
@@carolinelynch2823 monogamy
Careful. The people who don’t understand passion, nuance and flawed natural humanity will be coming here saying you condone rape
I find it incredible that he was staggering drunk but was able to carry a resisting Scarlett up the stairs, two steps at a time
No doubt about it- hands down, my favorite scene from my favorite movie! It does not get any better than this!
I can see why people think it was rape....but if you've seen the whole movie I think you'd look at it differently. Their relationship was very...well, it was interesting to say the least.
She looked very happy the next morning. Says it all, really.
I'm in love with Rhett Butler
This is one of the hottest scenes ever put on film.
Agree
Regardless of what happened in the book, the movie only shows her resisting. It's possible it wasn't rape, but the movie gives no proof of that. We see absolutely no consent. And no, Scarlett waking up happy does not count as consent. Whether a victim acknowledges she has been raped has nothing to do with the rape itself. Sex without consent is ALWAYS rape. This scene only perpetuates the myth that women enjoy being raped and that a husband has the right to force sex from his wife.
"This scene only perpetuates the myth that women enjoy being raped and that a husband has the right to force sex from his wife. "
Those aren't myths, you psychopath, it's one ridiculous statement and one moral belief.
She smiled and was faxed and bragged to mammy, inconsistent with being raped.
He gave it to her good, I mean look at that grin she has in the next scene lol
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Yes. He showed her how great sex is or can be. Too bad all of the sensitive liberal women calling this rape have never experienced great sex with a man
"This is one night you're not turning me off" (I believe)
That is some serious staircase!!!
someone's bright and shiny in the morning :)
THIS SCENE SINGLE HANDEDLY MADE ME FALL IN LOVE WITH RHETT BUTLER AND GWTW.
So scarlett enjoyed her night with Rhett!
I disagree that it was rape, it is implied in the following scene of Scarlett being particularly pretty happy the next morning and sharing it with Mammy how lovely she was feeling.
the look on scarlett's face! XD i love this scene though. i think its one of their best scenes in the movie
Damn that's a man
A man doesn't take his wife by force.
@@BLTKellys Have you ever watched the full movie or read the book? I guess not. Stop being a hypocrite.
@@bibi-we4lg Go fuck yourself bitch.
That’s right
BLTKellys 🤣🤣🤫. U talk about a man not taking his wife by force. Yet u say “ go fk yourself BITCH”. 🤷♀️🤦♀️ Your Mommy much be so proud 🤣🤦♀️
Oh haha I'm watching gone with the wind at this moment. I've watched it over 50 times love this movie love Clark Gable
I myself didn't get the impression that he raped her. As embosier says, this shows that men had the delusion that women wanted to be overpowered--but in the movies, the women always cease resisting after a moment and show enthusiasm, so it can be considered consensual. When he apologized in the morning, I didn't think he was apologizing for rape, but apologizing for being drunk and loutish.
@Musicelle1 "you have turned me out while you chase Ashley Wilkes, while you dream of Ashley Wilkes. This is not a night your turning me out." thats what he said.
He is THE man. I want him! >.
Seems like they had a good discussion after he carried her up, or does anyone have another idea for what they might have been doing?
in the book it said that he kissed her so lovely and it made her want him as much as he wanted her
They were playing scrabble
hot damn... rhett (clark) is soo attractive and seductive. and scarlett (vivien) is just gorgeous
her face the next morning is just priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!! What did he do to her?
You are too young if you don’t know 😂
11 years ago, I was indeed 😂😂😂
@hopeleannad I actually own the book and I've read it twice. it's pretty good too. There's another book called Scarlett The Sequel to Margaret Mitchell's GONE WITH THE WIND by Alexandria Ripley. It's pretty good too, but it doesn't match up with Rhett Butler's People.
I can't help that I'm a Southerner and love my Southern books, people, and heritage. My name is actually Scarlett. My dad named me after Scarlett O'Hara. And I think I got some Irish in me to cause I love land.
i read the reader's digest condensed version
I'm a dude, and all the chicks on here saying Rhett forcing Scarlett to have sex with him against her will doesn't count as rape is why I have a hard time respecting the general population of women.
A lot of guys don't see this as rape either (seriously... the amount of guys who don't understand that forcing a person to have sex with you is rape is pretty staggering). That's what people mean by 'rape culture'. It's pretty unambiguously rape/sexual assault, but people use a bunch of bullshit excuses.
I've watched this movie many times, and I still don't know what went on in that room. She seemed pretty happy the next day. All we saw him doing is carry her forcibly up the stairs. Did he rape her or not? it looked like the the beginning of one, so why was she all happy? I really do not know.
Deborah Macaoidh-Selim
Because it's a movie, and he was the protagonist, so of course once he'd displayed his powerful manly ways to her she'd forget her objections owing to being completely won over by his assertive nature and musky strength.
Deborah Macaoidh-Selim It's heavily implied that he forced her to have sex with him. The movie and book are from a very different time, and this is seen as a woman's fantasy - despite Scarlett's protest, she eventually gave in to Rhett's rugged manliness, and the next morning, she's overflowing with sexual pleasure, which suggests the night before wasn't entirely non-consensual on her part. Of course, it was off-screen, so I suppose one could imagine whatever they wanted to happened. Maybe they sat up all night playing Yahtzee.
And even it were "rape," they were married to each other, so it was not "rape" legally speaking.
I did watch the movie..it's still rape. She didn't want to have sex with him, and her body language shows it. Rhett is showing his dominance over her because he is the "man" in the relationship. Back then this wasn't considered rape, but this is marital rape.
Not considered rape by WHO and WHAT? The law? Society? People in general? So you're saying there is a huge level of inconsistency then in terms of how rape is to be defined and that it was changing all the time, but at heart and at its most basic level, was it not it and was it not ALWAYS hurtful and deeply humiliating at least on a pure and basic and PERSONAL level? And if the law and society simply did NOT recognize it as such, does that mean that they were evil and selfish or just did not know better? And what if a victim ends up killing themself as a result or their perpetrator...
Read the book
@@alexanderdahoola8188 she's agreed with that stuff implicitly in her comment
haha she's not traumatized because she maybe kind of wanted it too lol. I don't think he was so violent with her.. I love her expression like she is satisfied lol
He didn't actually force her, because she liked him, she was just denying that
Okay. There is no logic as to how this is sex or even rape. In a sense, it is like bridal carrying. Rhett is trying to coax Scarlett, in the least. Yes, she wakes up day-dreaming, but wouldn't you be if you were her? I, for one, find this the most romantic thing to exist. I'm not joking. The fact people find this as sexual abuse is disturbing. If he DID rape her, she wouldn't be day-dreaming and dazed the next morning, she'd be laboriously traumatized. From personal experience, I can reassure you, yes, the person thinking this, that NO! Rape does not make have a fit and then wake up sastifed. They were prehaps drunk, and, guess what- just because you have sex while drunk does not mean someone touches you inappropriately. In the 1930s, flims were naturally at risk. Again, rape has nothing to with this, or sex. If so, you are sick. Rape is not something to make you smile and talk about in your sleep.
RansomRose77 You misunderstand the problem with this. It is the film itself, the idea it promotes: it says that women like to be 'taken', that women may shake their heads and pull back and say 'no', but really no means yes and this is 'proven' by her happy smile in the morning: men know best what women want and women don't even know themselves what they want. Those are the ideas conveyed in this scene. The fact she doesn't wake up 'traumatised' is the film condoning the notion that men know women better than they know themselves and that rape is somehow a misnomer. I don't know why you doubt that even sex takes place?? This is a 1930s film, they couldn't be pornographic/explicit (!), but it is overwhelmingly obvious that the pair have had sex...how much more of a hint do you need?
Feminism is actually a communist concept, and the Nazis were against anti-traditionalist concepts, so femicommie.
@@HavingAGreenDay Lol, what are you talking about? The feminism movement started in Western Europe. Anyway, whether it is western or soviet doesn't make feminism less important.
dapper Haha I knew there was one lurking somewhere.
Scarlett was stupid! Who wouldn't go for someone who looked like Rhett Butler? Besides she married him. And to prefer "stupid Ashley" what a joke! She got what she deserved in the end!
doesn't mean it wasn't rape, it just satisfies the rape stereotype: "When a woman says 'no', she really means 'yes'". It was rape.
Read the book
She must have been a great screw for Rhett to put up her being so crazy.
Yaaaaaaasssss!!! come through Rhett !!!
Women always learn too late 😑
Rhett delivered the big O.
And he did. That smile on her face. Apparently none of the women hating this scene have ever experienced great sex with a great orgasm
This ^. I don't know of a single woman who likes a controlled and submissive man in the bedroom.
In fact I think the reason Scarlett loved Rhett so much was because he was the one man she COULDN'T control. Don't mistake her feistiness for disinterest.
He was drunk that evening and intended on getting drunker still.
When I first saw this scene, I thought he was gonna beat her at 0:09 i mean c'mon with the music and everything
if someone did this these days, a lawsuit would be filed, the man would be branded as a sex offender and would thrown in jail....I hate America >.>
Many civilized people find rape worse than murder and rapists to be worse than murderers themselves. And you complain that they would be in legal trouble?
The thing is, following information on how it is incredibly difficult to prosecute sexual offenders and how they often leave their victims traumatized for life and given how I have heard many times civilized people react with great anger at offenders, even if reality, what with all the victim blaming and whatnot, show how incredibly tragic the matter is for the victims, and the ever growing popularity of rape and revenge films like I Spit on Your Grave and whatnot, as well as the fact that, even more so than murder (believe it or not) it is seen as a highly taboo subject, its often difficult to simply become objective on the matter and not feel a personal great outrage at the perpetrators.
@@alexanderdahoola8188 I hate actual perpetrators.
That's the way I'll try to look at it, but I still think it's slightly iffy territory to illustrate that just carrying a woman off to have your way with her despite her protesting is okay because she'll be receptive to it in the end.
In this case, that might have been true, but it's still a dangerous portrayal of a situation that could have easily become marital rape had she continued to protest as it looks as if he would have carried on regardless.
Ashley Who??????? Mrs. Butler was positively glowing.
❤ one of the best movie ever, great scene
@khokhar1969 well in the official sequel she does. apparently, many critics didn't like it which is weird cos the critical praise for it was included in the book's pages. and i loved it. it's called Scarlett: The Sequel to Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind by Alexandra Ripley.
Best scene ever.
Rhett was a true alpha male. Women don't like weak submissive men who lets the woman control everything. She was giving him a challenge but definitely was turned on by him.
And all of these liberal Communist feminists have never experienced sex this good
@MikroBadass It's a movie? It's her husband? She wanted it too? It's Clark Gable/Rhett Butler? Back in those days they didn't have shelters, counselors or hot lines? Two stubborn people who were passionate for one another had to come to this to get it done? One or all of the above?
Someone looks satisfied 😘
All these comments saying they'd let a man like Rhett rape them or abuse them are disgusting. Do you even know what you're saying?
Ravished. Not raped.
You can't rape the willing
The strong inference is that it was forced in the beginning. The idea was that Scarlett was a stiff necked spoiled brat, pining after Ashley, and just need a real man to put her in his place. Once that was done, she was fine. She had been broken in.
I just did my first scarlett and rhett edit! forever my favourite fictional couple!!!
I'm sorry I find it hard to ignore of their relationship with one another. I can't help but think the thrashing and protesting on Scarlett's part was stubborness, at least in this clip. I would only agree with you, if the clip ended with Scarlett making her escape from the estate that morning with her daughter perhaps. It's just not rape overall. And also I can't help but bring the author's intent of who the both of them are as a couple, but whatever. Interpret however you like. So no more. >_>
Foi um estrupo ou não ?
@needles1987 Which is why I put rape in quotations. I wouldn't think it to be rape!
If you ever read the book you would understand that both Rhett and Scarlett wanted that to happen. Hence the way Scarlett acts the morning after!
She lost all that tude coming back from pound town 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@shoptilludrop1 but I read that she was a nymphomaniac. I heard that Clark was just "being overheated" although I don't know what that means. But maybe vivien Leigh was also provoking him. Who knows? I just know that Vivien Leigh was notorious for being a nymphomaniac.
This scene terrifies me every time
Me too!
It's a common fantasy among women though. Not mine but I don't judge and the book was written by a woman after all.
Well I must admit I'd much rather see the scene that way. It would make it a great deal less maddening to watch.
I'll watch a few more times and try to fit it into my head that way as opposed to my initial assessment and hopefully feel much more at ease watching the film from now on.
This isn't rape. If you watch the film, she wakes up the morning after having clearly enjoyed the events of the night before.
I want that Staircase and House. And I saw this at 9 years old. From then on I thought this was what love is. I mean it's not bad lol He had good intentions.
@shoptilludrop1 very true. But both of them do make a good pair.
well, someone had a good night
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@@carolinelynch2823 get a man to satisfy you
@@biruss Tut. Feck off😠😡😡😡
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@@carolinelynch2823 btw married ladies actual do experience erotic pleasure and sometimes anticipate
See I'd say in reality, having any woman 'enjoy' marital rape is just a misrepresentation and in bad taste on the part of the filmmakers and not an actual reflection of reality.
But that's obviously just because we view the scene differently. I saw it as rape, you obviously saw it as consensual which is fair enough. Obviously we'll never know because we don't actually see what happens once they reach the bedroom and whether she continued to put up a fight or was in fact a willing participant.
There are many examples in filmography of marital rape as something normal. However, this is NOT one of them. Scarlett was being feisty and struggling as he took her, but it is obvious that she was willing in the bedroom by her happy humour and gleamy glow the morning after. No raped woman would wake up happy about it! Why do people even discuss this?
The fact that Scarlet woke up with a smile on her face and rekindled love for Rhett, does not stand in contrast with or even refute the observation that Rhett did use strength to initiate sexual contact with Scarlet, while she tried to fend him off. Since this is a movie, it cannot be expected to be 100% consistent. This movie reflects society's view on men and women at the time when it was made. From the movie scene, gender roles are as follows: "The reluctant woman just needs to be persuaded by a strong man, because when she says no, she actually doesn't mean it". There is no need to explain how seriously problematic that is.
Now, can we infer that Scarlet was raped? Yes and no. The actual sex/ rape(?) scene is not shown, we just see what happens before and after. Moving on from the before scene, a realistic inference would be that she was raped, because she did not give consensus and why would she be expected to suddenly change her mind? After all, no means no. However, I don't think that the movie is realistic or was intended to infer that Scarlet was raped and then inexplicably liked it, which would be a glorification of rape. And I also don't think that this is how the audience perceived it back in the days and, judging from the comments, still mostly does not perceive it. When you keep in mind how Rhett (the man) and Scarlet (the woman) are depicted in this scene and take the after sex scene into account, it is even logical to infer that Scarlet gave up resisting and did give her consensus after all. It all depends on the basic assumptions about how men and women (and their sexuality) work. This depiction is what actually needs to be criticized. Seeing how these gender roles are glorified in the comments is quite sad. This movie came out in 1939, and to some extent, Scarlet was depicted as a strong and relatively independent woman, which was quite progressive back then. But the scene shown in this video also shows that the gender roles depicted in this movie are still problematic from today's perspective. However judging from the comments, there are people who still seem to share these outdated gender roles. I don't care about an old movie scene. What's frustrating to me is seeing these reactions.
No means no. Not yes.
@@carolinelynch2823 why did scarlet smile in the morning
yes means yes
Julia K: The cat lady in her sweatpants who wishes a “Rhett” would take her up the stairs. Since that’ll never happen, she has to content herself with Häagen-Dazs and pseudo-feminist tirades.
I heard that Vivien actually did not like doing the love and kiss scnes with Clark Gable because he did have bad breath due to his false teeth.
@DeathByBlunderbuss It's just she did no want a child. If you're a man, you can't understand it.
You can call me weirdy girl but I wouldn't mind being forced to sleep with Rhett Butler :D so funny how she's spent a lovely night hahaha
@khokhar1969
I'm not sure if it was arrogance on her part. Perhaps, it was fear of giving in and giving away her feelings, hence making herself vulnerable. And, as you've already pointed out, that's what we see on Rhett's part as well.
@bisquit9230 I think deep down she loves him though. Without knowing it or admitting it because she thinks he's not a proper man to love (and he does his best to be the most irritating fellow). That's the impression I got from reading the book anyway :)
I laughed my ass off at how he 'won' her over
Whose here bc the comedian Thea Vidale talked about this scene?😂😂😂
@Ilovemusicanddance10 Yeh, i read that as well, but i think that came later in her life- during her marriage to Laurence Olivier. Also, if she was a nymphomaniac at that time, why would she say no? And to Clark Gable of all people...
@DrBCorwen
If this was shown in the film, that would make a difference. But it wasn't, and we're talking about this scene from the movie, or we wouldn't be posting here. What happened in the book is irrelevant. The movie shows an angry drunk man forcibly carrying an unwilling woman, thrashing and protesting, to have sex with her whether she wanted to or not, hence the concern.
Think to yourself: even in the book, would Rhett have stopped if Scarlett continued to protest?
Hello, here I am. And I'm not alone.
*sigh*....I wish I was Scarlet.
A real woman likes a strong man she likes to be told what to do she likes to be screwed by a real man like Rhett
Although she may have liked him to act that aggressive, this is still rape. Scarlett's character gets hot when he treats her this way, but if she wasn't like that he would have forced her too.
she smiled in the morning
you don't know that if
Real man
Because of the scene cut we do not know if he started the sexual activity before or after receiving consent from her. Therefore, it is possible he did not rape her. However, it is very clear from his actions and his words that he didn't care if he had to rape her or not. So he is at heart a rapist.
Guilty of a crime he didn't even commit. Thought crime, gotta love it, you're a monster
She smiled
Anyone here from Thea Vidale?
@shoptilludrop1 everytime u google something u its the same as boiling 2 kettles, the same amount of energy