The Eternal Struggle - Competitive History of Sheeva
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- čas přidán 17. 10. 2020
- Sheeva has historically been a low tier character competitively in this series, however, this has changed in the latest instalment.
That said, join us for another deep dive into an iconic character!
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OK so Sheeva is kinda good now but remember this video was made before ultimate came out LOL
Can you do the comp history of motaro! Please!
@A dudes thoughts Stomp isn't even her best move at highest level. Stance and especially Queens Punishment are more dangerous.
How can I play on ps3 or 4??? For mk3
@A dudes thoughts Stomp has been nerfed now. Only time will tell but hopefully she’ll be used outside of “spam stomp to win”
Never was a fan Sheeva boring
Just noticed, she’s like the only character to have ALL her klassic moves in every game she’s in.
Because they haven’t thought about her since mk9 besides “Durrr shokan girl power” while doing nothing to her mechanics 😂
@@christopherandersson5082 she has all her classics moves yes, but she has a bunch of new ones too, dumbass.
Because that's all she is
@@gummyboots you must be one of those idiots that are impressed because “duuuuh she has a shield now” judging by your idiotic profile and vids it seems you are
@@christopherandersson5082 what possess people to check CZcams pages as a rebuttal
Ahhhh yea just ordered a pizza and got a new MK competitive history! It's a good day!
Thats ironic because I'm watching this waiting for my pizza at pizza hut
Sheeva got done dirty in mk11,Sindel betrayed her,despite trying to protect her for centuries
Well kitana did to so?
Yeah, well Sindel’s entire character got done dirty by the writers because apparently everything has to be taken at face value.
Sheeva is my new girl
Sheeva's story makes no sense in MK11
@@brycel4692 The story in general doesn't make sense in MK11
I’m still surprised he’s stayed away from characters like Johnny, scorpion, raiden. But I’m glad he’s going for less popular characters
He’s giving them more attention and they have 4 or less appearances so the videos are easier to cover.
Dude do u know how many games those characters appear in? The video would be 40+ to at least a hour
It’s because it would be way too hard to do a character who is in every game.
@@mandalorianhunter1 I’m not stupid dude. I more or less saying it in the context of the views it would get. More popular character coverage would in theory bring in more views. I more or less surprised he hasn’t tried it yet. And if he never does, idc, I feel it’s more entertaining to learn about lesser known characters
@@JustFighty who said anything about you being stupid?
I know what you meant and I was explaining another reason as well.
If Goro has 2 chests, then why doesn't she have 4.. you know what nevermind
Imagine having to animate the jiggle 😳
Cuz then the game would be AO
Then there could be Fucktalitys
😩
It would be fucking weird, they should have done it
Mortal Kombat Trilogy was the first fighting game I ever played in my young life & it remains my favorite today. I’ll never forget how cheap it felt being a literal toddler and having my own father relentlessly perform Sheeva’s dragon drop on my poor defenseless cyber ninja. Neither him nor sheeva had a single care encouraging me to “git gud” from the very start. Thanks sheeva & thanks dad
The tournament used for the final clip was the MK11 Open Series that Playstation run on their Twitch/CZcams channel. Make sure you check them out EVERY tuesday for both EU and NA MK11 action with Mustard and myself.
Can you do Reptile next please? :)
I remember seeing Jeremiah use sheeva for the first time and doing well. I always rooted for him. There’s was only so much he could do with mk9s sheeva though. Glad you mentioned him.
Oh Sheeva the queen of skrub-killing. One of my all time favorite casual run characters when i wanna just play mk especially in mk9 because her combos just were so easy and damaging. I always wished they fixed her hitbox problems in that game. :/
She wasn't the queen of scrub killing besides smash and grab to be honest.
@@PNDKM She was always a scrub killer for me because they never knew how to respond to any of her stomps or trermors. My first flawless in arcade was spamming those moves with Sheeva.
I'd be down to see a Competitive History of Nightwolf, Tanya or Bo'Rai Cho. Maybe even one for the Joker, seeing as he's technically been in two MK games; maybe you can even fit in his Injustice appearances as well.
Sheeva's 2nd variation, Deadly Dragon, is about plus frames. She has a special that can be hit confirmed to guarantee a followup a hit/throw mixup off of every touch. It's not a combo variation. Both V1 and V3 hit higher damage combos, so it'd be silly for V2 to be a combo variation.
Fair enough! My mistake. It's always tricky to go into variations nobody plays.
@@PNDKM It is! I only know because I specifically play the least played variations of characters. No blame towards you at all, just simply offering a correction.
V2 is really fun too. I love punishing moves with dragon charge.
ehh, I'd have to disagree, v2 is definitely the one you pick for combos. A combo variation doesn't necessarily have to be higher damage. v1 and v3 might have higher damage, but they're niche, whereas v2 combos off of anything cause of dragon charge. It does have nice plus frames off of the spin, but Sheeva already has fantastic plus frames off of her strings that you can get strike throw mixups off of in the same manner. Not to mention the fact that v3 is much better for mix anyhow.
I personally think v2 is still a combo variation just because you have significantly more combo routes, which is what a combo variation would be about. The plus frames are just a perk of that variation, but it's definitely not the centerpiece.
@@williamcalhoun883 That's why i always talked about V2 as a combo variation, because you can combo the shield into most things, which is always important for characters that otherwise have limited pathing.
V3 having Death March is similar at least, but every time I see good sheeva's use V2, it's for the dry keepaway and the conversion/whiff punish potential. Always happy to hear about other playstyles though.
I always liked Sheeva and I'm so glad you guys covered her! I've always enjoyed seeing people highlight characters that are outside the CZcams and "competitive meta". I think a good fix for Sheeva in MK9 would have been a damage buff and making her grabs unlockable that may have changed things for her.
what i would have done is anti air mb extends like in mk11 so she could maybe have a 70% or more combo really go for the high damage grappler
I don't like how they made sheeva look in mk11.
the part I can't really articulate well is the hair, I changed it immediately because I don't like her base hair but I really don't know what they did with it.
the part I can articulate is that they gave her much softer facial features and to me that doesn't really look like Shiva,
in previous games her face looked feminine but strong.
Sheeva is my absolute favorite MK character.
It makes me so happy to see her thrive in 11.
Is it just me or MKA's Sheeva looks really good design-wise compared to like every other MK game ?
Armageddon Sheeva's HTH probably had the boss block animation as an incidental carryover from it being one of Goro's HTH styles in the PSP & Gamecube ports of Deception
I told this story in the MKT meta video but back in my childhood i'd visit family in dominican republic every summer. And in DR there are gaming club/cafe where you can pay to play their large library of video games. Here me and my cousins would play MKT on N64.
One day we were just playing 3v3 as per usual and i found sheeva's c.high kick infinite and it pissed my cousin off real good
Omg I used to go to those gaming clubs at DR too and stay for hours. There was one of those in front of my house when I used to live there, the old days 😭
Ketchup & Mustard, I just want say a big thank you for the amazing content you guys put hours in, and we get to consume for free. Informative, well narrated, good editing and an overall very enjoyable video to watch yet again!
I love this series so much! Keep up the amazing work, brother! It would be awesome to see one on Smoke one day
Trilogy is my favorite MK entry, followed by 9. I only played the 64 version so this explains why I had such a fun time with her buttons.
I'm so glad this series is back man. I always enjoy these videos
I can’t get enough of your channel. Absolutely love it. Thanks for all the content!
Just got done rewatching this entire series! So well done! I think diving into the competitive history of Frost would be amazing! Maybe a video going over guest characters and their viability? Either way I'm stoked for more
I remember skipping class in high school and going to the local Time Zone and playing the original MK, MK2 and UMK3. I loved it then and I’m still enjoying it all these years later.
Good stuff! However, Sheeva can "escape" the corner trap in UMK3 by buffer the teleport stomp while blocking. This will make a juggle i.e. pushback the player who does the corner pressure. In some scenarios, she can even do the Teleport through the jabs in corner!
FATALITY: Death by Snu-snu
sheeva does rlly well on the ai matches in mk11 for me at least with the build im using
Sheeva is freaking amazing in MK11 😆 I played her a bit in MK9 and she was pretty fun there
Bad doesn't equal unfun, and i argue that bring fun is far more important than being high tier
@@nicolasmouzakis650 I already know that a character being bad doesn’t make them not fun, I play low tiers 😂
@@nicolasmouzakis650 yup always play what you like or feel comfortable with.
why amazing? cause you stomp people to death with 2 buttons? ...no thks..
So happy that they gave her her due in Mk 11. Always knew the character had potential if she could just step out of Goros shadow.
One of the arcades at Metrotown in Vancouver/Burnaby BC, Canada was fortunate enough to get the early builds of MKIII.
In the second build of the game, Sheeva was broken. Her Tele-Stomp effectively infinited, and it was really hard to avoid because it's startup was so good. Once I (for fun) beat the game with her by just flicking the joystick non-stop, so she just stomped all the way through the entire game. Including over Motoro and Shao Khan. Took no damage.
That build didn't last long, though. By the next weekend it was updated. Good thing, because she effectively made 1v1 unplayable if anybody picked her. I wouldn't be surprised if this wound up being why she was made so bad. It's possible they just could not balance her.
I think I managed to play all the early builds of this game.
A 7-11 not far from my mother's also got an early MK2 build. Vancouver seemed to get a lot of sweet arcade stuff. This version of MK2 had Sub Zero able to do the freeze portion of his Freeze and Shatter fatality during a match. It was unblockable and you didn't defrost. If you had the life lead, you just won. I understand live testing games; but a few of these things I am surprised even made it into any live build at all. How do you not catch these in quality control?
You put out such great content keep it up amazing work
I love these videos, thank you so much for all the effort you put in
So I have a question. In the SNES, there was a cheat/glitch to play with an invisible Sheeva in UMK3. Obviously she wasn't used in competitive play, since she could even glitch the game, but it got me thinking... if that wasn't the case, do you think she'll be viable? Would be completely invisible at all times save her?
3:46 beats her
amazingly entertaining video. thanks for making it
Great content ketchup. First introduced to you watching QC tournaments. Glad to see you have so many other interests!
Glad to hear it! Ive been a huge MK, Doom and Quake fan my whole life, so it's awesome doing stuff with all 3
Your videos are soo good! Please keep making
Great vid
Fun facts. On the SNES version of UMK3 she was removed from the rooster; but she wasn't totally deleted, allowing a lot of bugs. In MK3 on SNES, her friendship wasn't programmed properly, and cant be performed.
Great series indeed, thanks!
Does Sindel Competitive History have a potential future release? That woulbe fun! Cheers
3:00 UMK3+ sighting 🙃😍
always
Looking at what we got on MK3, I'd say the initial idea for Sheeva was having a high risk/high reward character, easy to hit but that you don't wanna get close to... a Zangief, but without the grappling part (though her grab was good i don't feel it counts)
I am so thankful for this video. She means so much to me
Love these videos
My dudes !! 🙏🏻
I actually really grew to like her in mk9 and started to mess around with her in the older games. great vid.
I remember one time at a MK3 arcade where 2 guys where playing against each other only using sheevas umblockable stomps, it was soo stupid and they had like a lot of arcade coins soo even after i and other kids defeated then easily they just keep doing that, that day those guys made most kids leave or play another machine (since MK3 was the most wanted at the time)
Amazing video!
Thank you for yet another amazing video. You guys rule.
Hey man, that stomp in MK3 was the most broken move in the world when I was 5 years old.
Man I miss those days when the announcer would question "friendship?" Please nrs one more patch just to include that!
Even though Sheeva was bad in MK9 she was always my go to pick as a kid since she could really cheat the AI in ladder
What puzzles me the most is both Goro and Sheeva had the tele-stomp in Armageddon, but the inventor of the Tele stomp, Kintaro, didn't have it in armageddon.
Great video as always but...You have a terminator clip from the movie in your competitive history playlist lol (that mistake happends to me a lot too and idk HOW haha) and the sheeva video isn't listed there also. Just trying to help and again great video bro!
I'm hoping for Baraka or Kabal next up :D
You guys have been making so much stellar content lately! 2020 needed stuff like this. Keep up the great work Ketchup! ❤️
Sheeva would often dominate in casual games.
17:18 Robocop lookin like Daredevil from the Netflix show
Do the competitive history of Retile, the cyber ninjas, and Quan Chi
I can't wait to see what characters you cover next in this series. (I personally would like to see the joker covered at some point even though he isn't really an MK character)
She is on my auto-pick when UMK3 came out. She is my go to pick at arcades and tournaments. Even though my favorite character is Shang Tsung, Sheeva will be my warrior queen at actual Vs modes. Picked her up quickly too. The highest combo I ever made with her at the arcade was 8 to 10 hits... not bad for someone who never played with joy-sticks before. Using SNES controller I reached 13 hits most of the time and 17 hits at so-so. I would love to see how I am with Sheeva in the MK11 game. She looks so awesome and radical in that game. Love the many style they gave her, but still retains all of her classic moves too. 😎👍
Her mk11 f443 string looks so similar to the umk3 hk hk lk bhk
Great call back from NRS!!!
I know it's probably never gonna happen anytime soon. But my favorite MK Kharacter is always gonna be Kabal... I honestly can't think of a single game where Kabal has ever been bad
That MK9 set was really cool to watch. Would love if you referenced real footage after character analysis more. Especially for MK9 and up.
Love this series!
I remember when I was a kid, playing UMK3, and when I wasn't using cyber Smoke, I would pick Sheeva against certain players or characters and all I really knew how to do was stomp, ground pound, and 7 hit canned combo. That's pretty much all you needed at the arcade against the average player.
I still think her mk Armageddon default costume is her best look.
Yeah it looks amazing, especially the black band around the eyes. I don't think MK11 would have a costume that strippery but I would really like to use it.
@@river7222 in Armageddon she looks like a fierce mighty prideful shokan warrior. her outfit i think compliments it. remind of of strong amazon warriors. though maybe some area needs to be cover up a little? also her mohawk looks amazing tbh. in mk 9-mk11 she kind of lost her muscles for some reason. she gotten smaller and NRs did her quite dirty in aftermath in my opinion.
If only they could’ve used Grace Jones, as the Character Model. She would’ve fit this PERFECTLY!
7:12 looking like a spider
I would LOVE to see a competitive history of Baraka! Nightwolf wouldn’t be bad either lol.
I love mixups as a spectator, Sheeva's a blast currently.
You wanna try me guv?
Perhaps Sheeva could use some more kicking moves. It would be interesting to see what you could do with 4 arms & two legs.
5:54 looks pretty high tier to me 😵💫🫣😍
alr bro
That booty
Rain and Milena will be super interesting, both have such a varied history
Thx for covering my waifu kombat senpai
No wonder I've always thought Shiva was super good by default. The first time I saw and played against her as a kid was in 9
AMAZING KOMBO! 18:09
Competitive History of Sindel!!!
I miss mohawk and slim chin sheeva
OMG WHAT A SUPRISE SUNDAY NIGHT!!!
Nice video. I give it 4 thumbs up.
Sheeva was the best MK3 character because she's the only character I could beat Motaro with
Sheeva is fun to use
Would love a video for Reptile!
Mk Armageddon sheeva was just pretty hot not gonna lie. ✋😗✋
Are there still MK3 and Armageddon scenes?
Didn't realize I'd be so interested in seeing what level players are at now with them
i am absolutely loving these videos but tbh i do hope he gets to the more popular characters. Lovin the more obscure ones, but it would be nice to have an mk1 or mk2 character.
I wouldn't say Sheeva is that obscure considering her appearances in most of the main titles.
@@PNDKM yeah thats true. she has appeared in 4 games. 2 of which have rich competitive history and 1 is the most recent. i guess what i mean are the characters like jax, lui kang, or johnny. (that may be because i want longer vids cause i love this series). Keep doing what your doing and i cant wait for the next!
@@PNDKM hey i would love to see a kabal video just cos he is always top tier
I really thought you were going to go right through mk9 Sheeva without mentioning GGA Jeremiah but of course you didn't what was I thinking hah
Damn loved using Sheeva, or characters who aren’t as popular now Bio and Sonic giving her all the exposure, oh well I use V2 anyways
Love Sheeva her and Sindel are Good Guys now love them both 🙂💯👍🏾
Does anyone know why the N64 port of MK3 had different frame data compared to other versions of that game?
Good video, but why's Ermac gotta be the training dummy?
I know she got two pretty big nerfs in the newest game, if you know what I'm talking about
Can you do competitive reptile or ermac soon?
U should do Sindel next she got a major upgrade gameplay wise in MK11 🙃
"She was a pretty forgettable character in UMK3", to the point she's the only character to be removed in the Genesis and SNES ports.
I def would climb on top of that like a spider monkey
sheeva mk9 outfit gives me impure thoughts
as with pretty much all the edinians in mk9
You seem to talk a lot about Mortal Kombat Armageddon in this series. And i was wondering if you could make video about most op custom character possible.
is the footage of MK 9 from PC?? looks great
Comp history of Sub Zero when? Im tryna see a 2 hour vid
Treat of a video! Thank ya
I to this day like to go back and watch Jeremiah and Oscar Broly play Sheeva in MK9, as bad as she is in this game i absolutely LOVE playing her XD