Buying Property in Portugal: Part 1 - Dreams vs. Reality
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2022
- When embarking on a new life in the sun, it's easy to get swept up in the dream. The amazing weather, the fabulous food (and affordable wine), the white sand beaches and all the property with large amounts of land for quite reasonable prices. But sometimes the reality and the dreams don't quite line up - particularly when buying a farm in central Portugal.
In this first video of a four part series we’ll share a bit of our property viewing experience and to show some of the contrast between what we hoped to find and what we actually found; it’s not all sunshine and rainbows for sure!
There’s TONS of property for sale in Portugal - some at very affordable prices, depending on what you’re looking for and where you’re looking for it. To be honest, we didn’t really know what we were looking for to begin with but this process of viewing multiple properties in a fairly short space of time definitely helped narrow things down.
Here we take a look at 5 properties across central Portugal - in Fundão, Castelo Branco, Oleiros, Sertã and near Avaiázere and Tomar. These are places that didn't make the cut but all had something that we liked about them.
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*Buying Property in Portugal Playlist*
Part 1 - Dreams vs Reality
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Part 2 - Four From Our Shortlist
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Part 3 - The One That Got Away?
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Part 4 - What Our House Looked Like When We Bought It
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How Much Did We Pay for Our Portugal Renovation Project
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Thank you for making this video. I really appreciate being able to get a good view of what the properties are like in central Portugal.
This vid just reconfirmed to me, how good of narrator you are, Guy.
We found ours at the end of the... Third visit! There are so many, it's complicated sometimes!
This is going to be interesting, I’m hooked. You are taking me places I would never get to see in person. Thanks.
My husband and I just bought a almost 2 ecre land in Capinha , Portugal, with more then 400 Olive trees and lost of fruit trees, with license for up to 250 m2, for a house, hight speed internet, electricity and mains water, potential to add solar and potential to add eco features. It is just perfect. We are realy excited to start the project. But first we have to sale a feel pieces of land we have in Arraial d' ajuda, Bahia, Brazil and we live in the Netherlands. That is going to be a challenge and we are both over the 50. We have no time to loose.
Great idea of showing the buying process 👏🏻
Hi guys from Sydney 🇦🇺, I love your vlog, it's the perfect mixture of renovating/diy, gardening and preserving, animals and sustainability. It's great to see your buying journey, I look forward to the rest in the series! Keep up the good work 👍
I've watched this multiple times to organize my requirements prior to home-hunting in Portugal. Thanks
Thank you for sharing your prior trips, the scenery is exquisite ❣️
I think you’ve done exceedingly well.
Husband and I have just discovered your channel and we love your down to earth, unpretentious approach, and the fact that you include bloopers!
It brings a lot of comfort. We are just two ordinary people 'having a go' at house renovation + growing in Spain too, and it's encouraging to see others making mistakes, just like we do!!
Thanks for the refreshing + helpful presentation, and the realism (which is much needed on CZcams!)
A great starter for your series. Along with your other series, you're compiling a valuable video handbook for anyone who is thinking about moving to Portugal - or many other foreign countries - for a less hectic and more healthy lifestyle. There's a lot of planning and preparation to do if it's going to be a successful and satisfying move!
Fascinating. Looking forward to the next instalment. Thanks
I found your search for your ideal property very interesting. Love from South Australia 🇦🇺 ❤️
Great video for your viewers. Your list was helpful and I am glad you decided on flat land for your home. Being close to a town is one of the things I really liked about the property you purchased. From my perspective, you have the best of all worlds. Utilities if you want them. Enough land and fruit trees to support you. Space for chickens and cats. And outbuildings for future storage, workshops, etc. This is going to be a great series to teach other people what to think about when buying property in Portugal. Thanks!
It's interesting the thought process and fine tuning of what you wanted is very similar to our own journey. Viewing property to start with you quickly realise how to interpret the adverts and rule out even going to view most. Fine tune what is important and finally get to find closer to what you want. You found a gem and it is amazing for you two. Loving the vids guys 👍👍
It was very nice of you to post this video. As I scan the You Tube channels I came across your posting. Taking the viewer thru your thought process is a good thing. Both of you seem to be very down to earth and have the desire to draw back on your energies to accommodate the outside reality of the what is out there on the market and your inside reality of what your values are. A true balancing act for sure. There are millions of people who do not identify their goals and aspirations to create the stepping stones so important to planning a process that in the end can be beneficial. Using caution in every deliberation is a sound step in the planning stage and can help save you disappointment in the decisions you make. I will be interested to follow you on your journey. God Bless!
We have just finished renovating our house we bought in the Algarve 4 years ago and just sold it ……now we are going through all this again ….we too have started our own CZcams Chanel showing what you can buy down here for €250,000or less and it’s not a lot ….we have seen so many properties that just need knocking down 🙄 we have put an offer in for a farm but waiting to see if it gets approved or rejected ….so many people are wanting the Portuguese dream …live off grid and grow your own …..we are counting our blessings that we did what we did 4 years ago and got out of the rat race of the uk ….I can’t imagine paying £400 plus for electricity a month ….any way guys I love your channel 🌞
It’s amazing to see how well you both look now compared to this video. Goes to show living a good (hard) life is certainly the way to go. 👌
I agree, there’s a glow now! That’s what Portugal and it’s lovely sun do to you.. add a warm glow to your heart and your complexion.
Thanks great video. Very helpful to me as I’m coming over soon to view property. It made me focus on what I’m really looking for. Look forward to the next few.
Really interesting and helpful video - thank you for sharing this information. Looking forward to watching the rest of the series👏
After watching so many videos, I really like the thought process, hard work and low sugar coating , got my attention to keep watching. Considering joining the group. I'm a few years away to move.
I love it at the 1min 50
When he told him “It’s not this one it’s
This one” pointing to the property, (or ruin like they call it there) on the left.
Nice of you to show this vid - I had an idea that this is a lot of what one would find there - Thanks for sharing....
Great video.The problem with the wooded areas is the fire risk, that is, unfortunately always extreme in Portugal, and can't be underestimated.
Se têm medo dos incêndios é simples cortem as árvores e transformem a zona num deserto,então para que serve comprar terrenos para depois transformar isso num deserto ? Há quase 900 anos que Portugal existe e sempre houve incêndios naturais, provocados por mão humana e as pessoas viveram vivem e viverão perto dos montes nos montes, a madeira dá dinheiro, a minha família tem um monte como se diz no norte e foi com a venda de madeira que a minha mãe pagou os móveis do jeu quarto
Meu quarto
Pine trees have been there for thousands of years, but not eucalyptus. Eucalyptus is even more flammable, and comes from Australia.
So very interesting. The buying process is a fascinating journey. I really love the property that you ended up purchasing and making into your place and space.
Very interesting, it's so hard to prepare yourself and knowing what you want, what you need and how you want it. Thank you, I learned allot. But all your videos are very educational. 👍💪
This is a great video. It moved along at a comfortable pace and the voice is very pleasant to listen to.
That was a fun video seeing the different types of housing available at that time
Very interesting video, definitely a reality check.
This is an excellent episode! Thank you for sharing this information😊👏👏👏
Thank you very much for showing ❤❤❤❤
good stuff, I remember seeing this exact same video back then, keep up with the good work
Really interesting to see the process you went through and how your thinking refined along the way. It’s very easy to view through those rose tinted spectacles on a sunny day. Reality is however quite a different Mistress/Master. Acreage doesn’t manage itself and some buildings are absolute money pits. I’m looking around Coimbra area, with easy access to Portugal’s good train services. There too good value properties are available, many with circa 2 hectares my ideal land size, based on previous experience.
Thanks for sharing your journey. It’s looking good 😊
I just learned of another English couple, who came just this year to central Portugal for the same reasons, the husband passed away and they will no longer be doing videos. From Penzance to Portugal was their channel. Not sure if y’all,knew them or were acquainted but just thought I would pass along the information just in case you didn’t know. Zach was so funny in making their videos. Not sure what Ginny will be doing going forward. Thank you for sharing your experience, it really brings it to reality. Definitely for the younger folks and not my age to do this so I will be living vicariously through y’all experience! Lol hugs and love from Texas!
RIP Zach, really liked his vlogs.
Thanks for posting. Yes, I've watched some of their vlogs. Do you know what happened? Accident? Health problem? Just shows, we never know what waits us just around the corner.
My thoughts are with Ginny and the family ❤🩹
That is so sad for them both. Perhaps there is some small consolation and solace from knowing they made the move albeit for the ‘shortest of summers’ Carpe diem
Hi guys, love your videos. We are in Portugal at the moment looking for our own property. Our wishlist is basically the same as yours was... and you may (or may not) be surprised to hear that at least 3 of those properties are still/back on the market! We also thought the same about the house in Avaiazere.
So interesting!
So I just want to make a comment on your videos. I love how you edit your videos, they are really quite wonderfully put together.
Like I said,love what you two renovate the house, this video like more, because of my plan. It’s interesting to go in place and deal with it.
This will be amazing series thanks - been my dream for years - am worried about a number of things - I am a carpenter so I have some skills - thanks for getting this started
That was a cool video, nice to see on what kind of properties you went to see there. and on what kind of conditions they were in. :)
this is super helpful! Thanks!
Thanks. This was really helpful. I love watching the videos of people making major renovations, but the reality is that my husband and I are getting older. We need something that's move in ready with just enough land for a garden and a few fruit trees. Thanks again.
It is so appealing to slow. down the pace of life. :)
Slowly catching up with your videos and this has resonated with me totally. I’m 53, and want to move to do exactly as you have stated - slow down my life, live more sustainably and grow some of my own food. On my terms, not at the beck and call of employers/ banks etc. I’m still a couple of years off and want to move to Ireland for a stone cottage and a little piece of land - hence your leca floors and lime rendering drew me initially to your channel.
Roll on Part 2. Very interesting.✅
*Kylie & Guy, This is a very important video for anyone, wanting to buy land in Portugal... what to expect and what to look out for.*
This video just came out at the perfect timing! I recently sent "your way" two young couples (one american, one british and they both have YT channels) who are looking to buy a plot of land in Portugal and they're both going through the same journey you two went and facing some of the same dilemmas and doubts. They're both van life enthusiasts and for now they're living in their camper vans while they search for the right place to settle in. I hope they took my suggestion because your videos will definitely be a great help and inspiration for them, either in terms of a potential house renovation or in terms of how to live off of the land. 🙂
Ah, the famous Module 79L is back! I haven't seen you comment on foreigners' PT vlogs for ages. What happened to all the content on your channel? It seems you've wiped it all. You had hundreds of videos of atrocious driving, often with you getting angry at other drivers! After a time it all become a bit repetitive.
Having lived in a hamlet named Bedlam in N Yorkshire UK a few years back I too would have been drawn to a property in Chãos in Portugal😆😆
Like your list a lot, pretty much close to exactly what I would put on my list.
Awesome really helpful
Thank you for sharing 😁
Very interesting!!
thanks for sharing your insights! learned alot
Very interesting and informative
Quality content.
Thank you for the informative video, very interesting ang I loved it
Nice starter video
Rolf Harris returns ..Great content.
Good vid - cheers from NZ :)
Hi guys I love your videos.
I was impressed about the resemblance with Brazil. Even the messed-up houses looked EXACTLY those you would find in a small town in Brazil. :-)
Go away and live in Brazil. 😂😂😂
@@1219611a para já fala em português,segundo essa xenófobia está Sempre presente,eu como português tenho vergonha deste tipo de comentários
Good video content - very informative about your personal background to the decision on where to buy. You know, I was thinking about whether or not to joke - the idea of just telling jokes it in a dry fashion that leaves some people wondering if it was a joke you'd just made or that they just didn't understand could be the key. No one else on youtube apologises for any bad jokes so just have fun telling the jokes you like....apart from about Kylie being moist of course.
Mains water connection is going to be a challenge (the price range assumes a bit of distance from the communal nets) and the areal/price range. Also building permits for expansions/extensions maybe a challenge. Not because of the proces, but sometimes in some counties there is no one around for the formal process (Alvera).
Nice video! Very nice!! Have you ever thought about Bulgaria? As I checked on your wishlist - most of the points are easily achievable for less than 50,000 GBP.
And the cost of living is also very very low - but not the quality of foods, etc.
Cheers
Thanks for sharing this. Although the prices might be out of date, it might be useful as a compare and contrast between the various properties and how much people are asking for on their listings.
Both agents & sellers tend to ask exagerated prices when a property is first listed for sale to see what happens. They may get lucky. After a few months if it does not sell, they may reduce the price. But ultimately the final price may be a fraction of what was initially asked.
In my village, a well-located property was up for sale for years for 100K, double its real value, with lots of interest but no takers. Finally the sellers decided they wanted to sell it asap and it sold for... 25K. Not uncommon.
In areas with a lot of interest from foreign buyers, the asking prices are a bit crazy. I've seen bad properties bought by CZcamsrs for 10 times what they would normaly fetch.
The BIG problem will arise if they need to sell it and they don't find another gullible buyer because the portuguese won't touch anything overpriced or poor quality
Dude we visited the place in your thumbnail too, if it wasn't on that road it would have been awesome and it had no mains water which could be an issue, the land was the perfect size too but that noise was just too much for us too, can you share the video of the Portuguese manor house with the small forest .... You know the one with leaky roof and damaged stairs 👍
Did the same all over Tenerife! Very disheartening. We bought new in the end.......lost the will to live the dream. We are happy.....
My favorite is Evora area and Tomar.
Greeeeed.
What was greedy about it?
This is really interesting and informative, thank you. I would be really interested if you could also talk about the bureaucracy processes procedures and difficulties/complications, or not, in getting permission to renovate and add on AND build new on land in general, and how the authorities would view and deal with the illegal add-ons you mentioned?
Here's a general answer to your question: each property is different and you should check with the local municipality (Camara Municipal) what you can and can't do with each property. The law for land management is the same nationwide but local rules may also apply in each municipality and are written in the PDM (Plano Director Municipal). Anyone can check the PDM online or at the local Camara.
As a general rule, if a property is registered as "rustic" you cannot build on it.
You'll only get permission to build new (or renovate an existing building) if a plot of land, or part of a plot, is registered as "urban". The PDM maps show exactly where the urban areas are.
If you need an official answer, ask the seller for the "Caderneta Predial" of the property, take it to the planning department of the local Camara, and make a PIP request ( Pedido de Informacao Previa) to get a reply to your own questions about it.
If you buy a large piece of farmland that you intend to farm, you may be able to get permission to build a new farmhouse and ancillary buildings, even if the land was not registered as "urban" because the local municipality would consider your need for a home to develop your farming activity. This would be approved, or not, by a planning commitee at the Camara.
With existing buildings such as shown in the video: you need to know if they have (1) an habitation licence, or (2) are exempt from one if they were buit prior to 1951, or (3) if they are just registered as farm buildings such as barns, ancilliary, etc.
For (1) and (2) you can get permission to renovate into a home, but with (3) you cannot, unless the barn is in a big plot and you intend to create a new farm as explained above, you can make a request to build and it may be approved, or not.
If you buy an old house or ruinned house, you can renovate it, within the same footprint (as registered) without planning permission, but to increase the footprint / annexes / added floors you need planning permission, which starts with professionally drawn plans and may take a few months to get through, depending how busy the Camara planning department is.
To renovate as well as build new, you ALWAYS need to get a licence to start the works (licença de obra) that states when you intend to start and finish, but can be renewed a number of times.
During and after the new build, or renovation and when fisnished, the Camara will send inspectors to check that everything has been done according to current legal standards, electricity, etc, and they'll issue an habitation licence, or update the old one if there was one, and you can finally celebrate...🍷🍷🍷🍾
Any questions, just ask.
About the illegal add-ons:
This is a very common problem in Portugal, you buy a house and the building does not correspond to what is registered in the Conservatoria (Land Registery) because at some point new annexes, or new floors, or ancillary buildings were added without planning permission and therefore they are not registered.
Well... this is illegal and the seller is required by law to have all documents updated and legal to be able to sell, and the buyer should not buy a property in this situation.
But... if the the buyer is going to do major works, or demolish to build again, and the illegal structure (or part illegal) is irrelevant to the new project, it is OK to buy. The Notary is not going to stop the sale because they won't know the state of it, they don't visit properties. But the buyer must be aware that he is only buying what is legally registered & described in the "Caderneta Predial" and that will be the same description in the new deeds.
If the buyer intends to buy a house with an illegal add-on, and intends to keep and use it, it's recommended he asks the seller to legalize everything before the sale goes through. The Camara may well require the illegal structure to be demolished if it does not meet basic standards. Legalizing an illegal structure or add-on can be expensive and time consuming, and will become the responsabiliity of the new owner, including all fines, if he buys it in that illegal state.
Hope this explains your questions.
when it comes to buying potential over there you have to be open minded and know that in many situations (in order to get that bargain rural spot) youre really looking more at the services to the land water / power etc and permissions for conversion. its no use going over with your british standards and expecting everything already done for you. ive had my eye on a few rock houses there for a while and put an offer in on a run down mountain farm which was basically a ruin with no services. its all about vision and determination.
my list would be: $20k, derelict house for gen refurb, min land 10,000m2, big forest and river nearby, high speed internet (or potential for instalation) some foreigners around, up to 100km to big city. I'm thinking more of eastern europe as portugal is a bit too windy, rainy and too many tourists there. thanks for sharing man.
Nice, I bought in the same time a property in Croatia, it's on the picture, 25.000 EUR, with own water supply, wood and land,2 .3 ha together
Cj bought somthing interesting like the concep. A did have a look online at property. A would like some were a could use as a base in europe to go in my campervan. Have some basic tools compressor for talking sake. Some spare parts, a pit to repairs maintance. Have small house to chill for a week here and there. But also somthing in the future a could work towards living full time! But like use have found out. It’s a bit of a mind feild. Lol! Been looking in parts of france aswell living in scotland sucks 😂
Amazing Video, I have a dream to buy some land or house in Portugal in Near Future, But its very hard to save if your work in Portugal on Portuguese Salaries or Incomes... Its been 4 years since I moved to Greater Lisbon and my god each day is a blessing... Recently I started Doing Moto Vlogs as I work in Food Deliveries now, meet so many amazing people and gets to visit so many awesome places...
You could put the new Fuji 30mm Macro lens on your X-Pro and have a small 45mm-equiv. I love mine.
A GYM??? 😂😂😂 Get your digging gear on!
😂
I watched your property search the first time round, and I really enjoyed going back through this condensed version. While my list is not the same as yours was, it helps to see how things not on the list started to become important as your search went on. Thinking about all of those things from the start could really save wasted time and trouble when searching. I know neighbours, offputting views, sounds, smells, road noise, barking dogs are impossible to know about unless there's an actual visit, but perhaps if you have them in mind, you can ask the right questions of the agents.
My question would always be, how honest will agents be about unlicensed building and permissions? Again, it would help to have straight answers to these things so you don't even go to visit the dodgy ones.
To know for sure if a building is properly registered and legal, and what can and can't be built / renovated, is easy: you need to ask the local Camara.
Get the Caderneta Predial of the property (from the seller) it's like the ID of the property and tells you the registration number, the total area in sq meters of land, boundaries, area constructed, type of building(s) and plan. Take the Caderneta to the Camara and ask them all about that property. For good measure, attach photos of the property as it is being offered. You can make a written PIP request with all your questions and you'll be given a definite & official answer by the Camara who happens to be the authority responsible for local land management.
That's the only way.
What the seller & agents tell you doesn't matter. It may be correct, it may not. Be sure, be safe!
Wow. Looks like Texas!
Here in Pakistan, properties on or near roads are priced higher instead while you let go one property due to being near to road :)
Hi Guys new Girl here. So wonderful to see a Vlog
More if a Life Journey. Portugal is one of the Countries we want to Retire to. I have seen often the land is great ie in size but the Houses well are falling down Properties. If you are Debt free it is much better. I have been loking at so many properties online but as you say you need to see them..We are looking at moving in 5 Years. x
Not all houses are ruins, there are all types listed for sale, for all budgets. I recently saw a grand manor, totally refurbished and updated, complete with winery and vineyards ready for wine making, for nearly a million. So... from ruins to villas, you'll find your very own gem.
Renovating a ruin, or building new, costs around 500 Euros per square meter, depending on materials chosen. A 2 bed, 2 bath new house circa 100 m2 could cost around 50,000 Euros. Plus the cost of buying the land.
TIP: Five years is a perfect time to learn portuguese well before you arrive. Kudos... Good luck & Happy planning!
@@nativeadviser6870 We would need a 3 to 4 Bed 5 if we can get it or get it built, it all depends on the price, getting good Tradesmen is at times hard. i am looking into Learning Portuguese for the test one will have to do, even if we do not move to Portugal on the plus side i have learnt a new Language and i am over 60 x
We moved to Central Portugal 6 years ago. If there is one tip I'd give, it would be that you are buying property in PORTUGAL not the UNITED KINGDOM. You must do things the way it is done here, however illogical it might seem.
Estate agents here in Portugal only want to sell you what they have on their books. There are only a few sites that cover several estate agents.
What about building a house? What are the implications in the financial, procedural, and duration aspects?
Not everyone has the gift for presenting on CZcams - you do 👌
I used to work with a bunch of guys in Lisbon. I found it really remarkable when they told me about their lack of amenities like air conditioning. Do you think a majority of properties in Portugal are out dated like the ones in your video?
Well…
Seems like a lot of people from the UK 🇬🇧 are leaving and starting NEW in Europe 🇪🇺
Nice video 👍
absolutely loved this!! is it possible for you to add in the price of each property you looked at? Just helps me build my knowledge and develop a "feel" of the markets in Portugal. Thanks for all the great info, truly appreciate it
We couldn’t find the prices unfortunately - these viewings were two years ago and I can barely remember what happened last week 😂
The next video in the series does have prices however
thanks
Come to Alentejo. You can be my neighbors, the house next to me is abandoned and quite big, and at least like that you can keep it clean haah
fascinating; thankyou! Just a heads up to anyone thinking of buying anything with Pines.. we have problems here in the Ariege with Processionary caterpillars in Pines. We took out 23; milled and planked them and replanted with deciduous varieties local to this area - keeps our animals safe. I can see a visit to Portugal on the cards; it just looks stunning.
Would like to have known the asking prices of the properties shown
Hallo, very intresting. I was hopping you will mention the price per Hectar.!!!!
Thank you, interesting. However why didn`t you mention the prices asked for?
Cheap wine 😉 got that one in early..
I liked this episode.
Have you thought about fast growing bamboo for furniture?
Isnt bamboo really really invasive
@@theaweavers8576 depends on the sort bamboo, a thick plastic barrier can be dug in 20inches deep to force running rhizome upwards.
Great video but I really miss the listing price of the properties
These Asbest Roofs are not bad and didnt harm you!They are harmfull when you grinding them or cutting them- one possibilitiy is to paint them with special concret colours ! They are just become poisonis when you break them down so mostly is it better to leave them where they are when they are functionell if not than it is a problem but with little thinking you an handle this!
The biggest problem - fire. I lived through two devastating blazes
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
I bought property over internet, without seeing, ive seen youtube videos... all worked out 😁
3:00 in theory this sounds reasonable and good, but I hope she knows what they are signing up for. It is a long hours of daily physical hard work to do agricultural work. Slower pace of life 😂 You seem to be the right people doing this and you know what you’re doing. I just watched your other vids and congratulations.
Even though we have some experience of this, and are willing to put in the work, we definitely sometimes think we’ve bitten off more than we can chew 😂
Still loving it though!