How NOT To Overtake | Sim Racing Stewards
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Responding to a brake check with blowing up your engine is truly one of the moves of all time.
This is such a statement that I nearly spat out my water.
This is always one of my favorite videos to watch. I mean, I generally enjoy all of your content, but as a novice sim racer, these videos are always helpful...and definitely entertaining.
Totally agree. I've been clueless about these things, so is really helpful as well as being enjoyable 👍
3:00 for sure when he says "I'm the green car" he means the dark one. It's very dark, more a Bentley racing green colour. He was certainly the car that was sandwiched in the middle.
Agreed, didn't look green until seeing the tail end. The one the camera follows is definitely the one submitting
Häkkinen did similar overtake to Schumi (2000 Belgium gp)
3:00 Looks a bit like ocon Vs hulk and checo on Saturday
why didn't he say black with green stripes lmao
Definitely agree on the 2:50 incident. It's very similar to the Ocon/Hulk/Perez crash in the Qatar Sprint on Saturday - racing incident with the left car the most to blame
similar in the incident itself but the run up to it means ocon wasn't at fault and in this the guy on the left is, purely bc he could see they were 3 wide and left no room since he was side by side for a good few seconds before making it 3 wide - whereas ocon had no idea perez was there
10:08 I hate when the logic of "I was on the racing line." The green car is existing, fair, but the orange car drives into him, not the other way around.
If you had to compromise the lap, the green car is at fault, but the orange car is at fault for causing contact
Yes that was my thought aswell. If i was a steward for that incident i would want to make clear that the contact does not incur a bigger penalty for the green car since they didnt cause the contact. The green car should be penalised for the impeding only and not the contact.
In my experience these sort of incidents are sometimes causes by drivers as a way to make sure the other driver gets a penalty. Had the orange car not caused the collision, it is likely that the impeding of the green car would go unnoticed and unpunished. But now it can happen that the green car also gets fault for the contact. That would not be right.
Indeed, in my logic you only cross over the pit exit line if there's no traffic. If you hit traffic, oh well bad timing make up for it in the race. The car on the hotlap had relative to anticipate he was gaining on some cars and could clearly see that there was a queue of cars obediently getting into lap pace as they should
I think irl that would be the case, but in sim I've found it often goes the other way.
Agreed. Too much focus on how things "should" be and not enough focus on what actually is. No matter the rules, you can't just place your car inside of another. Causing contact should come before all else.
If it was during a race, it’s on the orange car, since it was quali and the green was on an out lap, they should get out of the way
You know that the Leeroy Jenkins reference is almost a 20 year old reference by now. But for those that don't know this is a famous video from World of Warcraft when it first came out. It features a team that does a dudgeon in Black Rock Spire that are at the dragon egg room and Leeroy Jenkins just runs in and pop every egg and makes everyone die.
Thanks for the advice Jimmy for the incident at 15:12 which was me. Will do your advice. You were also curious at why I came across and that was because I wanted to get a better exit. But I'm relatively new to simracing and getting advice from a proffesional driver is good enough for me.
These videos really help me as a beginner. I learn alot on where I'm doing something wrong and the other drivers are doing something wrong. I also learn from your streams of you driving in the virtual world on where to place my car when under attack and overtaking. Keep it up man👍
Blue flag means you can't contest the guy passing you, it doesn't mean you have to jump through hoops to let some guy pass. He also pretty much ran into them while they were minding their own business. This is primarily bad track design at work here and the correct remedy would've been not letting these drivers leave the pitlane when a hotlap is on its way. But generally, driving into other cars just doesn't end well.
Initially I felt like the Audi was at fault in that incident. I mean, he sees the guys coming out of pit lane, he knows his corner entry is compromised... it happens sometimes on hotlaps... you have to give up some time to finish the lap. Unfortunate, but part of racing.
I agree that this is mostly an issue with track design. The rule is, exiting the pits you can't cross over the white line, but if you're on a lap, that part of the asphalt is racing surface.
As the green car I would have been backing off anyway, since I'm so close to the last car that exited, and I know I'm prepping for my hotlap. I'm not gonna stop on the circuit (that's just as dangerous), but I'd definitely be cruising out of pit lane and leaving as much space for faster traffic as possible.
But then, what else could they do? Leaving the pits, trying to find some space on the track, glued to the outside line, with a qualifier closing in. I think the Audi is at fault for misjudging his swing into the next corner and taking a bit too much track a bit too soon.
@@JReaLBiz86yeah green cars were literally driving in a straight line, nobody's fault but the orange imo
Blue flags in qualifying on an outlap are not quite the same as blue flags in a race though. On qualifying laps really everyone jumps out of the way for the guys on hotlaps IRL.
It's blue flags during qualifying, which are handled very differently than blue flag in a race. In qualifying, blue flag means to not impede in the slightest.
Most videos I tend to agree with 90-95% of your judgements. This might be the first one I agree with you 100%. I think there is always some level of subjectivity when it comes to stewarding so the 90-95% is fair but it feels nice to be in such clear agreement this time, nice vid.
I don't remember when I started watching Jimmer, it's been at least 5 years now, but it is so cool to see him chasing down 1 MILLION Subscribers.
Also, these are some of my favorite videos Jimmy.
2:49 Very similar thing happened just this past weekend in Qatar at the F1 Sprint race. Ocon being on the left, Hulkenburg in the Middle, and Perez on the right. Ocon should've known there was a car next to him put pinched anyways thinking Hulk would move out the way but can't because Perez was on his right, causing the sandwich, and Hulkenburg coming out more or less unscathed. Very crazy we have a real life example mimic one in sim-racing. And people say sim racing isn't realistic.
Love these steward videos. But they always feel too short, because I could watch them for hours. Great content as always!
Same here
13:43 The second Lesmo is almost in every case a single file corner as well. So I think the guy on the outside has to back out there in this exact scenario. I like in sim racing how people try to leave space for one another to go side by side, but sometimes it's just not a good idea and you can lose so much time to drivers behind by being too courteous to the other driver. Imo, of course.
It's not a single file corner and it never has been. I know of no passing zones, that is not one of them especially not as the outside car where you are likely to get a better run down the straight.
@@Delimon007 never said its a no passing zone. through lesmo 2 you try to carry a lot of speed. going through side by side is a sure way to lose speed. apex to curb exit is the only good way to go through that corner. What i also mean by my comment above, is it a one line corner. You can't really vary the line through there and maintain the same amount of speed as the "correct" way. you can absolutely pass into the corner or dive in there if someone is slow, but to try to hang around the outside as a car being overtaken, you are asking to be put into the gravel. If the corner was wider, maybe then you realistically could try side by side without losing too much time.
The pitwall😂😂😂
If the 19 did it on purpose he would have gone up the track.
I know because I've done it before.
Yeah, it looks like the 19 overcooked the corner and the 12 was an unfortunate victim. It’s way too far back to be any good attempt at a slide job, and an intentional wreck wouldn’t have looked like that
Big thank you for adding in the video titles when using clips from previous videos! Love being able to go back and find the source of a good Jimmy face 0:38
It is a little disturbing you seemed to need a few moments to decide which piece of debris on the floor to use as your makeshift gavel🙄 Just kidding. I love these stewarding videos! Your commentary is "standup" worthy. Your insights are instructive as well. Keep them coming!
Yess!!! Here we go. This is probably my favourite series of videos from Jimmy in recent years. Great entertainment
Seems like a lot of these are caused by people being too used to hotlapping and not being able to change their lines and react to things happening during the race. Great video as ever!
Please keep doing this series, its a lot of fun :)
2:40 - the green car is one the the camera is tracking, it looks a bit like a classic British racing green
That PIT maneuver is the GOAT
9:04 I'm sorry, where do you see a gap ? Yes, he moved (very slightly, probably too slight to be considered a move), but the Red Bull behind had tons of space on the right (which is where the racing line is btw)
in the f1 games people go for any gap even if it doesn't exist which im guessing is what jimmy meant
The gap is on the left hand side. There was enough room to get by with two wheels still on the track(not over the white line) until the merc moved back over to put his left wheels on the white line. They both wanted the inside line into the next corner and I assume that's why they're so far off the racing line. I dont see a problem with the merc moving though, it wasnt in the braking zone and he only made on defensive move.
when you are racing, its not always best to go where there is "tons of space". If you are on the outside in casual games like F1, there's a high probability that the car on the inside will understeer and push you wide. Thats why Jimmy said that people will go for tiny gaps on the inside if they can squeeze their car in. You are a charity case if you just go where there is more room when racing all the time. If they leave a small gap and there is a good chance that you can make it stick in that small gap without incident, you take that small gap 10/10 times.
@@umungus518I agree. I don't quite understand why jimmy put the merc at fault, because it looks like the movement is simply just him setting up for the "corner". Looking at his line it looks like he goes a little wide, then starts to slowly move back over to the inside. I don't think it was a reaction, I would say the contact is just a racing incident. Maybe a bit of a helmet, should've been looking in his mirror but it happens.
Where the racing line is matters zilch. There is physically space for a car on the inside, hence there is "a gap" there for one car. I disagree with Jimmy in thinking the Mercedes moved over intentionally tho, I think he looked ahead and aimed the the bollard way ahead of him, which is why he continues to move over until he almost rubs the fence even after the incident. Still, it matters none. He moved right, left space for a car, and then moved back again. And you can't do that on a straight when there are cars around you (even if that straight is slightly bendy. You have to follow the curve of the road, which he didn't). He is by all rules the one to blame.
8:08 ahh yes classic f1 racing. Just push our competitors into the wall
Man the game is so realistic
I love these videos, thank you Jimmy Mycokisbent
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I never knew that Jimmer was part of Ferrari International Assistance 😅
Wake up babe, new sim racing stewards dropped
It’s so interesting to hear your thoughts on the road racing incidents and etiquette. Coming from a mostly oval background and knowledge set it’s all up for grabs and it does bite me sometimes in road racing as it’s not a given to give up a corner due to positioning.
That being said I understand and agree with some of it as it just hurts both more to keep racing but the mindset of oval driver racing road is different and causes chaos from time to time.
For 8:50 I can't agree with you there Jimmer. The track limits is the first white line regardless of the amount of tarmac there is outside. There was never a car's width gap there so the Red Bull left the track and gained an advantage. It is also then on them to re-join the track safely which is to go round the back of the Merc. Also I'd say the movement of less than half a car's width isn't a defensive move due to the ability to hold the wheel round a curved straight.
1, his wheels never went beyond the white lines so he didn't leave the track
2, he didn't overtake off the track, no advantage gained
3, before the merc moved over there was enough room to get by with two right wheels still on the track
4, I dont see anything wrong with the merc moving over to squeeze him since it wasn't in a braking zone and he only made one move.
Also he said this isn't on when moving across, it is though. Red bull wasn't along side and your allowed to squeeze cars especially when not along side, just blocking off the potential gap which there wasn't really. It's up for the person behind to overtake
Man I've come to really love this series! Big up Jim
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@@tjj4145you had one job
General Kenobi!
@@sespa7867 I know and I am happy that I didn’t go for the obvious
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I love that you redid the white board... Great messages to share!!!! Not sure how long that has been refreshed but just noticed.
So amazing that Jimmy went from that sim racer that dreams of racing to that sim racer who's gonna get a chance to drove a raceway to the guy that sim races and races in real life.
The orange Audi at Silverstone, he got absolutely blasted in the Reddit thread and rightly so. That was an incident on Low Fuel Motorsport with clear ruleset and was ruled as an NFA. Both parties could've been better there for sure
NFA?
i love the simracing stewards vids so much man
The small sound bites here and there are so well put in place, it's delicious ❤
Good to see you back with the awesome content Jimmy
I love these vids, everyone racing online should watch them.
Some good examples in this one.
Nice Jimmy 👍
great vid as always. a jimmer vid to save the day
I do still find your humble intros amusing. Mate, you've made it. "A guy who does some racing" man, you're a race car driver. You can just come out and say it.
Is it weird that I enjoy these vids much more than the IRL stuff? Either way, thanks Jimmer. Entertaining as always.
Always good to get feedback boss
@Jimmy_Broadbent pls don't think I haven't watched and loved every second from the Green Hell too. I'm talking every vid, including Steve's and Misha's. Just wish I had the time to watch all the live stream too!! Thanks again.
I love this series so much jimmer c:
congrats on the podium finish jimmy!
10:06 I thought it was on the faster car to pass safely though? The green car is being predictable by staying on their line. the orange car doesn't acknowledge that and just turns straight into them.
Love this series. Also congratulations on the nurburgring result Jimmy. I hope you guys get an entry to next year's 24h
The one with the pit wall reminds me of one of ny first wins in Grid singke player, where im the SF (iirc) street circuit there's a chicane right before the finish, and I somehow managed to hold on to the racing line with both Ravenswest pushing me but ultimately hitting the tire wall.
these are some of my favorite videos you make. not including live streams obviously.
2:39 Jimmy, I think he meant the (dark metallic) green car in the middle, my boi. :P
Eyyy, I was just watching the sim stewards series and it goes to the next video and BOOM brand new upload. Jimmy heard my pleas
Love the content always enjoy the show thanks jimmer❤
I think this the first time I COMPLETELY agree with everything here Jimmy lol. Well done!
8:26 had me dying 😂
everything you put out on this channel is awesome, but i think sim racing stewards is my favorite!
Yesss. Jimmy’s best series.
Right i literally tweeted at you yesterday for a new Sim Racing Stewards video and here we are LOL
.Awesome video my dude.
Keep up the good work homie!.
That oval thing at Iowa, having driven it recently in the new 87s car, it's just a rather difficult track with multiple grooves, and it's very easy to just go a bit too deep. I'd say the 19 just overcooked it/momentarily lost focus, went too deep and shagged himself and sadly, somebody else. Just one of those (Imma guess here) lower split things. People aren't fully up to speed and aren't super confident and consistent, and more often miss the braking point etc. Just happens, meh but, certainly not protest worthy in the slightest
13:00 I didn't realize you could still blow up the MX5s with the new sequentials.
Can you do an episode of Sim Racing Stewart's where you critique people called Stewart on their technique and general racecraft?
Genius!
It could be worse... He could be making stew out of Stewart!
Best series ever 🔥🔥
This is my comfort series 🤣
Always enjoy these. Didn’t know you could blow your engine in iracing.
To use your guy on the motorway analogy, if you see the man standing there, but keep it pinned because the man is supposed to move out of the way, and then you run him over, it's your fault. A hot lap isn't worth a crash. The other guy is still in the wrong for not doing more to help the hot lapper but didn't CAUSE the collision. Good video though, I always like these :P
Hammond would love this series
incident at 9:30 is not the merc his fault. The wall isn't the track limit, the blue line is so there was never a cars width and its the Red Bulls fault.
4:32 This is one of those "I was holding my line" moments - The 19 is driving relative to the lanes on the track, while the other cars are arcing through the corner to maximise their momentum while minimising tyre-wear. I see it quite a lot on corner entries where there are two cars side-by-side at the top of the track, with the uppermost car slightly in the lead, and the uppermost car wants to turn in to run the normal outside-inside-outside line (and doing it in such a way that it would still leave space for the inside car), but the inside car delays their turn in to hold the outside car on that topmost line, wrecks them both, and then says "but I was simply holding my line". My problem with that is that it puts responsibility on the car in front to drive to a line that they can't see the other driver taking unless they are looking in their mirror, and not at the track ahead where there is a wall they need to avoid hitting. It's one of those "you're technically correct, but your race is also over" strategies employed by the sort of petty, small-minded driver who wrecks people because they're being overtaken.
I'm still looking for a definitive answer on this. I've stated each time that I need to see some sort of official ruling from an IRL source, but all I seem to get are opinions.
NASCAR/Oval racing doesn't make officiating calls over things like that, so there is no "official call". One thing to keep in mind is that irl spotter give way more info of course. So they can tell their driver about someone driving it in too deep and to wash up a little. Helps a lot in a lot of the situations you talked about. In that clip right there Jimmer was spot on. 19 is at fault but not intentional. Just sent it in a bit too hard.
As a lifelong oval fan I will say that if in the "inside car delays their turn in to hold the outside car on that topmost line" situation happens, odds are the court of public opinion will blame the guy for not turning for the corner. Yeah you're racing someone but they also have to make the corner. It is a respect thing. Break that respect and you won't get any in return. I know this wasn't a definitive answer, because there isn't. Just a mostly correct one that a few people feel differently about. Thats oval racing for ya.
@@eclipze9412 thanks for taking the time to explain - I appreciate it.
Agree with all except the Silverstone one.
The guys exiting the pits can't disappear, and both of them slamming on the brakes isn't what the flying lap car would expect
He means slowing down before exiting the pits for both of the cars. The first car should 100% slow down before exiting, the car up ahead should either slow down before the pit exit or after that initial corner or stay very wide letting the car by.
the worst thing is you can tell the other car ahead of him is not going to move out the way either
Yeah specifically in a non-professional setting just keeping to your line and acting predictably is always the recommended option. Sucks that it works out like that on that track but what can you do. Certainly it would be courteous of the green car to slow down to let the orange car pass. That is what I would do.
the intro to this was hilarious.
Personally I think the incident at 10:15 has all 3 cars at fault. I do believe that yes the two exiting the pits should have been more wary and slowed to let the hotlap car past and I get that the hotlapper needed to get to the right side of the track for the ideal line but that doesn’t mean you should just come across like the other car isn’t there anymore, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I’d say the orange car is 30% to blame
4:00 its nice to see that innocent one got away
4:00 for me, a crucial detail is that the extreme right and left cars are side by side and split around the middle car. This means that the car on the left is entirely aware that they are 3 wide and he needs to be leaving room for both cars in the corner. He maybe left room for 1 if I am generous.
So many of these guys seem to think that looking at what the vehicle directly in front of them is doing is unimportant, and the racing line is the only thing that matters. We call these guys Dolts.
iRacing is full of these guys, they are prime hotlappers, can put in an amazing qualifying lap, but have absolutely 0 side by side racing experience.
Always tries to take a line filled with another vehicle, and it's always YOUR fault.
Oh man it's just amazing to hear the beautiful background music along with your commentary. Would anyone mind sharing the playlist of background music for this video?
Just discovered you @Jimmy and while I sometimes find you doing the typical OTT reactions, I like your content and you seem like a great guy and quite funny. Cheers +1 sub Question though - why are all these clips such horrendous quality?
I disagree with you with on the F1 clip at 9:33 . I feel like the Merc is on the left side, and the slight movement to the right is because they were coming out of a slight curve, so they were just lining up with the white line after finishing the bend after that chicane. There’s about 30 miles of track to the right, so to me it looks like the Merc is pretty clearly defending the inside, but the RB goes for the inside anyway, and then runs wide on the inside line at the next corner. Thoughts?
Yes and also the blue bit isn't part of the track so the RB is trying to pass off the track. Verstappen maybe?
are we going to see more videos about the nls days and races?
Really enjoyed the first one you did and was waiting on a video on the second day of the 8h Race Weekend and the last nls of this year as well
If not I will watch them at the channels of the others but I really loved the quality on the video you uploaded
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OK you legit got me to laugh with the pit wall joke. FIA, Ferrari.International.Assistance
Love the explanations where though you may be right and have the right to the corner, it doesn't mean you won't be involved in an incident. It's like my wife's opinion when driving "Well, if they crash into me it will be their fault" vs mine which is "Just don't get in an incident and it's no one's fault and you get to where you're going vs talking to angry people". A little bit of self preservation in racing goes a long way. Not saying be unconfident, but more so I just try to think about a strategy to retake the position on the next couple corners instead of getting frustrated that I am getting passed.
Amazing edit quasimo-chan
i havent heard that song you used for the ending in YEARS ... now if i could only remember what it was
Sometimes I wish I could subscribe multiple times to help jimmer reach 1mil sooner
Great vid. Is there another Nurburgring video coming from you ? When you got that 3rd place? SuoerGT posted part of it but cut short when you were running into the grass…. ? Have I missed your video?
"You can see, the pit wall turned in on the Aston Martin"
I'm dead. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jimmer, you've got IT.
8:58 how is there even a gap there? It's barely a tyre's width away from the track limits, the Merc didn't move out to the extent that there was an entire car's width available, so the Bull poked it in there when there was nothing. Only reason the Merc seemed to move out is correction of the car's steering after the previous left-hand kink.
"I'll find out who's fault it is. Probably yours."
Wow, you sound like my mom.
That Porsche & Mclaren coming together is the exact same thing that happend to me in Gran Turismo on Sunday evening on Nurburgrin Sprint coming up to turn 6. I saw the car behind me was faster and i didn't want to contest because i was saving my tyres. They went past on the right, then barely in front move across the nose of my car and hits the brakes right before the marker the brake marker i was using, we connect and both go off into the grass.
After that come next next lap at T1 they very deliberately take me out. But they did get pass.... and picked up a 3 second penalty... which when they then had to serve... and i then passed them. So in other words i think it went pretty well 🙃
That final one, I don't how realistic it would have been for the driver in the blue car to brake a bit earlier and then go up the inside switchback style to avoid the contact but i do agree it wasn't their fault just something I thought they could use in the future to help
4:13 is racing incident to me. Green car is staying mostly consistent on the inside. Not going to much over the curb to stay stable. Not unreasonable in a 3 wide scenario. Black one is sandwiched and can’t do anything. Black and white car can’t see green one I think and believes the black one will turn right as well so they have enough room. Black and white could be aware a little more of green possibly being there as it disappeared in his mirrors but I’d argue it’s a racing incident.
Damn pit wall made a nasty move
7:58 ah yes, the classic pit maneuver.
good to note is that especially in a race the ones exiting the pit are also entitled to room. IMO eventho the one exiting the pit was to blame, the crash happened because Audi came to the racingline anyway. The lap was compromised allready of theiretoo late or nonexistential recognition of the cars on flying laps
00:59 POV of Jimmer "tickling" you 🤣🤣
The "mowed down by a clapped out transit van" comment was completely uncalled for and killed me lol
9:30 nah dude behind him was trying to make a cheeky move that would have jeopardized both of them. Blocking him from causing them both to crash was the only thing to do here.
If I saw someone trying to squeeze in next to the wall like that with literally zero space to do so, I too would be like "nah you aren't even about to try that", because if he let him actually try, there 100% would have been a race ending crash for both of them.
I guess Jimmer sees mint as green now
Jimmy- you have to try racing on GT7 online lol its absolute chaos most of the time
How tf does Jimmer not have 1M subs yet :o