Bark and Jack well done 👍🏼 Adrian, love this when you do vertical reviews of watches. I know Hodinkee do reference points but your own unique opinion is also great to hear. So don’t second guess yourself! If you want to do your own review then do it!
I am a lady watch lover in Virginia and am so happy to have found Jenni! A woman who knows watches and can provide great content for anyone who loves watches especially us women in the hobby!! Tell her thanks for all of her hard work!
Let me point out some mistakes on this video. The MK1 gen of the 14060M (2 liners) were NOT chronometer certified by COSC, possibly due to costs associated with it, it was produced for 8 years from 1999 to 2007. The MK2 (4 liner) was the first no date Sub ever to become COSC certified, hence the extra 2 lines of text stating so, this happened in 2007, and this MK2 was produced until 2012, not 2009, it had a 5 year lifespan. The 114060 was introduced at Basel 2012, not 2009 and was discontinued in late 2020 after 8 years.
it would be great if the thicknesses of watches were mentioned and not only the diameter, as it makes a big difference for fit and wear. Great videos, thanks Adrian.
Another measurement to consider along with watch thickness is the lug to lug. To me this is most important as it can determine what will fit a wrist when you know your wrist breadth as you look down it - as if doing a wrist shot. Since my wrist breadth is 52mm, I focus on watches with lug to lug measuring 48mm or less.
THE bond watch was the 6538. Also not all 14060 were tritium. In 1998 they were Swiss branded with Luminova and in 1999 and 2000 they were branded Swiss Made and had Superluminova. The M really came to the market in late 2000 and had the exact same dial as its predecessor two years before. And an aluminium insert is closer to 100 bucks than to 20 these days :)
Finally! The Sub video! As a proud owner of a 114060 since over a year, I still find myself staring at it with sparkles in my eyes every time I wear it, which is every single day. I adore this watch more than anything else I’ve ever owned!
I have the two line 14060M and it really is the perfect Submariner in my opinion. I was offered a 114060 a couple of years ago at retail price and I couldn't refuse it. You're absolutely right, they are like two totally different watches character wise, and on the wrist. If I really had to part with one of them it would undoubtedly be the 114060. It's beautifully engineered but I find it a bit to square, boxy and soulless. If Rolex made a modern Ceramic Submariner in the 40mm Yacht Master case it would be sublime!
I have the 14060M with 2 lines of text too and would say it's the best of the bunch. I agree the 114060 is too boxy, and lacks that astehtically pleasing look of the earlier models.
Any toolwatch Rolex Submariner needs lug holes... so the 14060M is the last of the classic Rolex Submariner diving watches... 8:52 4 line dial version 3130 ran from 2007 to 2012
Ph MWU why though? Never understood the whole lug hole necessity thing. Of course, I also think that a watch which comes on a bracelet belongs on that bracelet.
If a watch comes on a shit or average bracelet maybe but the new sub has possibly the best bracelet and clasp on the market... why would you want to take it on and off? It’s not exactly hard to take the bracelet off without drilled lugs anyway but I don’t get why...
@@clegsmegson2627 I know, right? Seikos, gross! Poor people are so disgusting. They can't understand why you would watch a video about watches you supposedly already own by a channel that explicitly denounces watch snobbery. Pathetic. But, I get you man. As soon as these dweebs run their own company and find their worth in material possessions, they'll understand too.
I have a 5513 which my parents gave me in 1968. Except when I travel ( I use a cheap watch for travelling) it has been on my wrist for 56 years all the time. It is a work watch. During that time during Rolex servicing I have had the original pin bracelet replaced due to total wear out, the bezel and the face replaced due to wear. Every day I wear this watch I remember my Mom & Dad!
Personally, I think a pre-ceramic model with the newest bracelet would be a great combination, considering that the maxi case just looks too bloated in its proportions.
I’m still undecided between 2 lines VS 4 lines of 14060M … what do you suggest ? I like the vintage and cleaner look if 2 lines but I think that 4 lines offers more for approximately the same price …
@@heric_ it’s not the sane future. 2 lines much more collectible and you like it. So go get it 😄. Don’t think twice. Get 14060m if it’s your only Rolex. It’s just the best of both worlds.
Thanks to this video I now own a two line 14060M. Love the symmetry, lack of unneccessary info on the dial, no redundant "ROLEX" markings around the rehaut, and graceful contour.
The waitlist is over! I went into a Rolex AD in Switzerland 3 weeks ago before lock down and social distancing. I got a call last week and was told they were going to post the No Date Sub to me. It arrived today! I have never spent a penny with the AD, I just charmed the salesman and I think I was in the right place at the right time.
Wow, I am still waiting at Watches of Switzerland in London. Since 2 years now. Luckily, I managed to buy one in Vienna in the meantime (after about 1y wait).
Yeah, the 6536 and 5508 are just about the size of the bb58, I have them all. I’ll probs. Do a comparison on CZcams soon. I’ll raven compare them to earlier 36mm models, and the first 5512 versions. The bb58, 6536, and 5508 are the perfect proportions, and all beautiful.
2nd...this is the Video I didn't know I was waiting for, but now having seen it, I realize I've always been hungry for the information & the context of it. So much good info I know this is one of your videos I'll re-watch multiple times. What a gift. Thank you, Adrian!
When you have a 7’5 inch wrist and had the 16600 the maxi case on the 114060 is a welcome relief. Fits sooo much better with a necessary glidelock. Lost me on that one jules
Nice informative video. As someone else said the best one is the one on your wrist, in my case the '69 5513 I've had from new. It's seen parties, the underside of 8 feet of Arctic ice and everything in between. I much prefer its svelt case to the most recent iteration. I'll never have another Rolex as I can't justify the cost of a new one.
To be able to start an introduction about watches whilst moving your hands at the same time is nothing unusual, but not to spill any coffee while doing it is a real gift! An enjoyable review, thank you.
I remember almost buying a 2 line sub in 2007 and was surprised how flimsy the bracelet was when you considered the price. The current model matches the price asked at retail and the hype.
14060 was produced until 1999/00, while 14060m was produced from 2000/1 - 2009/10. They began using luminova around 1998/99 (swiss only dials) and super luminova came out around 2000, (swiss made dials). so, you have about a year gap when the 14060 could have come out of the factory on swiss made dial. my point being that even if your generalizations fit about 90% of 14060 cases, where swiss made dials are clearly service dials, there are certainly exceptions with some A serial and P serial 14060 productions coming out of the factory with swiss made dials.
Unfortunately with Rolex there are many exceptions. There’s very rarely a clean change in production. Movements, fonts, lume all change over time. I thought I’d just focus on the main changes.
Hi, Adrian! Well, that may just be the most enjoyable video of yours that I've ever seen. Just love the Submariner. Bought myself a 114060 last summer. When I put him on my wrist every morning, he simply makes me happy. Just a little happiness that I otherwise wouldn't have. A little lift to my day that no one else knows about. I'm relatively new to wristwatches - less than 2 years trawling CZcams watch channels - and from what I've seen so far, everyone ends up in vintage. But I'm not there (yet). The only sub I've handled is the ceramic. Maybe everything will change when I eventually hold a glistening, knee-wobbling 5-digit. But until then, I'm an engineer and my clinical beast (and I love how you call it that; he really is a beast) joins me faithfully in all I do: quiet, -0.3 seconds per day, brutishly reliable, stoically unfailing, resolute. And then I take him off before going to bed, wish him, "Goodnight," put him on his microfibre cloth to sleep, and switch off the light above him. :)
I would love, love, love for you to do a video comparing your 14060M with a Black bay 58. They are so similar in size and character, but I'm really curious about the emotional factor of having big brother and little brother side-by-side. I'm coming up on a very important occasion (20 years of sobriety) and trying to decide between buying a brand new Black bay 58 or buying a 14060 or 104060M two liner. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. -Ray
Just a note, Rolex did release dials that said "tritium" but had luminova instead. This was around 1997 when they were making the switch and are colloquially known as tritinova dials.
Bought my SubC Date 116610LN 3 years ago. I destroy watches, but this one has held up well, surviving a fall onto brick, dinging on metal as I do my daily activities: I don’t have to baby it. The band is strong and durable. For me, this watch is perfect. The fact that it’s worth more than I paid is icing on the cake.
Only two words: THE BEST! Surely the best ever video about Submariner that I have ever seen. Very objective but with passion. Loved the map resuming the models! Congrats!
People are going to look back at this time and wonder why they didn't buy the Swiss only Rolexes. They don't really go for much of (if any) premium right now, but they will. Oh they will.
One of the first watch videos I ever enjoyed and learned from was Adrian's, about the Explorer. Similar to this one. Stay safe, Adrian and the entire Watch Fam!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have seen transition models of 14060 (no M) from year 1999-2001 with "Swiss Made" dial and super luminova, and they're not service dial. Is that true?
Love the pre-ceramic, 5 digit Subs. The lugs are more tapered and it rest easy on the wrist. Anyway, I have been wearing my 16610 around the house since I have been staying at home for the past couple of weeks lol
The first bond watch wasn’t the 5513 actually. In Dr. No, the first film, Sean Connery sported the large crown late 1950s version of the sub, the 6538, and he wore it in Goldfinger and thunderball as well. The 5513 has the crown guards that the original subs didn’t have and close ups on Connery show the no crown guards. Roger Moore actually wore the 5513 in ‘Live and Let Die’
Great, concise history of the Sub. Thanks! Completely agree that you need a watch to wear and enjoy even if it might get slightly beaten up. My compromise is I have the 114060 which I use for best but a Ginault Ocean Rover 2 with aluminium bezel (rather than the new ceramic version they do) plus domed vintage look sapphire crystal as my everyday watch. The Ocean Rover 2 build quality is (I’d say) similar to the Rolex and you get the vintage look but won’t break the bank if you bash it while doing DIY!
I like the submariner, but I can't get on with the mercedes hour hand. It just stops me loving it completely. So for me the best submariner is the british military submariner from the 70's, the 5513 with the sword hands.
Hi Adrian. Excellent video. Can you do a similar video for Pepsi gmt master variations. I can give you one of them.... no I can’t we are locked down🤔 after this crap clears up I can lend you vintage one.
great video, a lot to learn, two question, the accuracy changes by model or is the same? and other question, only the 114060 are antimagnetic with the parachrom hairspring?
I am not an expert, but as I know, 1- The accuracy is getting slightly better, each time the movement is upgraded. 2- I don’t think that the 114060 is even totally antimagnetic. Only it’s only the hairspring.
The 5513 isn’t the original Bond watch. The original Bond watch was a big crown, no guards Submariner. I forget the reference. Either way great video about one of my favourite watches, and the only one that I regret selling.
🙏🏻 Great summary ,thank you for you time in making this video. I have a 1406m four liner and like you spent lots of time deciding on which watch to buy it’s a truly classic watch that I love wearing. And will one day hand down to my son..
Adrian this was a great video, one of your best. Your very best was when you fell in the river in Scotland. For me 114060 wins hands down. Best looking rolex ever!!! I still love mine and never want to replace it.
I got my 14060m four liner (2010) just a week ago. I'm loving it so far. Initially, I was a bit taken aback by the seemingly flimsy stamped clasp. But once sized properly and on the wrist, it wasn't a concern. It also feels very small. I also bought a brand new Omega Seamaster Professional 300m just two weeks earlier and it's a beast of a watch. The 42mm diameter suits me well. I decided on the 14060m, classic Sub thanks to your video. I would love the modern clasp on the classic case.
Love my 114060, the maxi case suits my wrist. The watch is a stunner, the old version looks too round, to me the maxi is a modern take therefore has more character as it’s unique. The new one is crossed between old and new. I’d not change it, GMT Master ii is the same maxi style case and don’t hear many people complaining about them do we?
5513 (from 1967) all the way ... but only in rotation on weekends together with other 1960s stunners, like the 321. That is my true collection. Weekdays : modern pieces. Swimming : 1500 m SuperOcean, not taking a 10K watch in the water. So modern Sub is not for me.
I have worn Submariners since 1975. I used to complain to Rolex in London about the shortcomings of their models: part of tomorrow's date protruded into the aperture, there was play on the lugs between the horns of the case; this caused the bracelet to rattle and the time keeping was poor.
Cool video, as ever Adrian. I’ve got a 14060 and a current sub date ceramic. As the sub date ceramic was my first Rolex I have a real soft spot for it. However, you just can’t beat the purity of the 14060. I’ve also got a 981 Porsche Cayman which is a lovely , balanced , exhilarating and enjoyable car but will always yearn for an air cooled 911. Keep up the great work mate. May you and your family stay safe.
In all fun, every time I hear you say "it lacks character", I could see you on House Hunters walking into a room and getting mad that there is no crown molding. lol
The 14060m imo has amazing dimensions as it doesn't have the maxi case. The bracelet lets it down. If only it has the bracelet of the 114060 that would be perfect! Great video Adrian, could we expect to see more about the Tudor BB58 soon?
Great Video - drilled lugs would have been an interesting topic. I see your newer 14060m must be quite late to have engraved rehaut but it still has drilled lugs??? I have a date version with un-drilled lugs - did they continue with the drilled lugs on the no date due to it being more likely to be used by professional divers?
So with a new Rolex Submariner generation almost every 10 years now... can we expect to see a new generation of Submariner within the next 2 years? Didn't the GMT and Seadweller get an updated movement recently so their power reserve levels matched that of Tudor's Black Bay line?
Thanks Adrian for this video ! Small question / remark: after some research, I understood that the sub 14060 was produced until 2001, Am I wrong? I am looking to buy a sub and I found a magnificent 14060 (Swiss made) from 2001. Do I have to question its authenticity?
Hi Gary, the problem with old Rolex operation was there were very few clean cut changes. Many watches are called “transitional” as they might have one model number but actually contains components of another model number. So you could have a 14060 from 2001 with a 14060m dial.
New sub is the best sub. 114060, it is a divers watch. Maxi dial for better visibilty under water(and when you are getting older),better lume, better bezel(your not supposed to drop a watch, EVER, unless its a g-shock), bracelet is far superior, maxi case and bigger crown guards make it withstand more of a beating and beeing polished more often(i'll never polish mine,ever.) Also, i want my son to habe this watch when i pass, this watch wil withstand time better than any of the previous ones. The "caracter" this watch should be displaying is exactly what is is. A rugged divers watch
I always wanted to go inside a Rolex store. Although I am not buying this watch until 2024, should I still visit a store sooner? What should I expect inside? Is watch fitting allowed? How do you act inside? Do you say that you’re not buying right away?
Which submariner is best? Easy.....a sea dweller! Specifically a 16600, later model with solid end links (also means you can add a modern clasp if you really want but I see nothing wrong with the stamped clasps but I wear mine on a Nato anyway so who cares). And No cyclops, but it has the date. Best of everything. Yes it doesn’t have lug holes but who needs them if you have the correct spring bar tool. And I don’t get your criticisms Adrian of the stamped clasps and hollow link bracelets. It’s steel. I mean you sell fabric and leather straps that you advertise for use with Submariners. Stamped clasps and hollow link brackets are magnitudes of times stronger than any leather or fabric strap. Yes they aren’t as sturdy and beefy as a modern clasp and bracelet but I feel the modern ones are over engineered.
Very very recommended! I own one and I think it’s the best sub ever. Clean dial, no date, superluminova, sapphire Cristal...what do you want more? It’s a legend bridging vintage and modern references!
No mention of the 5513 four line certified chronometer? Better or worse than the 5513 two line non certified Submariner? Would you weigh in on that question? The four line feet first I am speaking of is 1971/1972 vintage. Thanks for your help.
I am very worried about you Adrian, sinking so low as to use “Apple launch“ terminology! Seriously this is an excellent intro into the world of submariner‘s. Thanks a lot. 👍
Absolutely beautiful work as always but you are slightly mistake the 14060 with the 3000 movement ended it's run in 2000 the only reason why I know this it's because I have 1 it's the 14060P serial so all I have to say is keep up the awesome and at the end of the day we're all human and we do make mistakes lol
@@babzpeter1 no mate. Im saying it is correct. Adrian made a mistake in this video by saying that any 14060 with a "swiss made" dial is actually a service dial, which is not true because P serials from 2000 came with these dials original from the factory. I think he just didnt realise thay 14060s were still in production in 2000, thats why the last runs share the same dial as the 14060M
Adrian, I have been a regular viewer for the last six months, and found them all professionally presented and very interesting, but this one took your standard up to another level. I couldn't analyse what was different, but my attention didn't waver at any time. I just enjoyed listening. Phil.
Yes, tool watches, but how many people wearing divers actually dive? How many folks wearing Breitlings are pilots? I venture to say very few. We wear them because we simply like them.
I'm just happy enough to land an 114060! Can't beat that bracelet, and I love how in certain light... the bezel looks "ghost" OH!! The sound of that bezel click is sublime! Great video Adrian.
Great Video! 14060 was in production until late-2000 until reaplced by the 14060M and at 7:00 you mention that Swiss Made dials are service dials, this not true. The last of the 14060's, the Mk3 variant dial was marked 'Swiss Made' and incorporated Superluminova from the factory.
The fact that the coronet on the crown doesn't line up when screwed down is a big flaw to me. I've got a ceramic Longines Hydroconquest that always lines up exactly when screwed in and its a $1600 watch...
Quick question. It was mentioned that the 14060M (four liner) is slimmer than the 14060? Can someone confirm if this is true? I'm torn between the two watches and have small wrists. If this is true it could be the deciding factor. Thanks all
I have a 5513 as well and have basically the same thoughts as to its durability. And I've thought about getting an M or 114260 to update the glass and luminous. But I like the rattle of the bracelet and the look of the watch so much more than the 114. I'd consider an M though, like yours - the 2 line. One difference of opinion: I love the 2-way bezel - so much easier to set, and mine doesn't spin around without a deliberate move. Thanks
Love the no Date Submariner. I recently sold my 2015 Date Submariner to buy a 2019-2020 no Date version. Ended up buying another vintage Meters First Dial Submariner instead...
I also have a Rolex Submariner 2002 (no date) like yours. Are you saying that even though my watch does not say “certified chronometer”, it is COSC. Certified?
Don't mean to be too picky, but I think you were wrong when you mentioned the Rolex 5513 as the first bond watch. I believe that was actually the reference number 6538 which bond wears on the strap that is too small for it apparently an 18 mm size NATO for the 20mm lugs. That said, great outline of the quasi-modern Rolex submariners.
I thought there are also 14060M cases without drilled-through lug holes. The newest ones, I presume, also with solid end links. Adrian, could you please comment on that?
As far as I’m aware the 14060m never had solid end links and always had a holes case. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Rolex changed the case at some point. But I’m certain about the bracelet.
@@BarkandJack I made a mistake, I had the submariner date 16610 rehaut in mind, which has no drilled through holes and does have solid end links. Now I am wondering why there is such a difference between a date and a no date version... Do you know why? I am only a newby.
@@BarkandJack Eventually I found this explanation: "Both the 16610 and 14060 would serve as the face of Rolex until they were discontinued circa 2010. During their lifetime, they would also undergo various minimal updates that included the lug holes going away, solid links (center and end) for the bracelets, and updated clasps." on bespokeunit.com/watches/rolex/submariner/ Thank you very much for your swift answers!
There is another difference between the 14060 and the 14060M and it’s pretty significant - a solid end link bracelet on the M. How could you ignore that?
Hi Adrian. Regarding all 14060s with a "Swiss Made" dial being service dials, can you provide a source? 14060s and 14060M both come in P serials and I can't find any 14060 P serial that doesn't have a "Swiss Made" dial. In fact I can even find an unpolished 14060 that still has its original sticker on the case back with a SM dial. I think it would be highly unlikely that all of these examples from production year 2000 would have service dials like you say.
Hi buddy, I have not proof on this. It’s to do with the line up of dates. The 14060 went out of production in 1999. Rolex used Luminova (Swiss only dials) in 1999-2000 and used Super Luminova (Swiss Made) in 2000. Unlike some change that have been specific to model line, the lume change seems to have been across the board. If you’ve got links to these P serial watches, then I’m happy to cut that bit out.
@@BarkandJack from the research I've done, A and U serials from 98-99 went luminova with "Swiss" only dials. Then in 2000 there are P serials (should be the last of the 14060s) that have the Swiss Made superluminova dials that also went onto the new 14060Ms, which started with P serials also. Here is one of the ones i mentioned but if you google 14060 P Serial you can find many more. www.watchpatrol.net/listing/803458/
@@BarkandJack heres another good example. Basically unworn condition, claiming new old stock and you can see on the papers that its a 14060 (non M) sold in early 2001 with a P serial and Swiss Made dial. www.watchcollector.com.au/second-hand-rolex-submariner-14060-p-serial-box-papers?format=pdf&ml=1
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Bark and Jack well done 👍🏼 Adrian, love this when you do vertical reviews of watches. I know Hodinkee do reference points but your own unique opinion is also great to hear. So don’t second guess yourself! If you want to do your own review then do it!
Hey, nice Video.. Omega seamaster is also interessting, has a great history and is much affordable.
Adrian what is the story with that sick clown, John McAnus? Did you get his channel binned. If so, well done.
Date or no date?
What an honor to be mentioned on your channel! Thank you and happy we could help 🙏
Superb footage Kai. Thanks so much. 👍🏻
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I am a lady watch lover in Virginia and am so happy to have found Jenni! A woman who knows watches and can provide great content for anyone who loves watches especially us women in the hobby!! Tell her thanks for all of her hard work!
@@BarkandJack Nice videos mate, I just picked mine up czcams.com/video/V3nvwsl2PkI/video.html
Let me point out some mistakes on this video. The MK1 gen of the 14060M (2 liners) were NOT chronometer certified by COSC, possibly due to costs associated with it, it was produced for 8 years from 1999 to 2007. The MK2 (4 liner) was the first no date Sub ever to become COSC certified, hence the extra 2 lines of text stating so, this happened in 2007, and this MK2 was produced until 2012, not 2009, it had a 5 year lifespan. The 114060 was introduced at Basel 2012, not 2009 and was discontinued in late 2020 after 8 years.
Correct...!
I believe the first submariner to be COSC certified was the 5512 four liner.
@@Chanelsvibe Correct!
@@Chanelsvibe I stand corrected my good Sir!! Thank you!!
Totally agree!
2-line 14060M is the pinnicle for me. Perfect case shape, clean dial, and modern enough to be used every day.
I own one. Best sub ever, IMHO
@@alpa4736 I agree, perfectly balanced, astehtically pleasing shape, perfection.
it would be great if the thicknesses of watches were mentioned and not only the diameter, as it makes a big difference for fit and wear. Great videos, thanks Adrian.
Another measurement to consider along with watch thickness is the lug to lug. To me this is most important as it can determine what will fit a wrist when you know your wrist breadth as you look down it - as if doing a wrist shot. Since my wrist breadth is 52mm, I focus on watches with lug to lug measuring 48mm or less.
I think the difference is around 1mm, 11.8mm 14060 vs 12.5 for the 114060 or something like that
@@8rooks what about the 5513 plz ?
THE bond watch was the 6538. Also not all 14060 were tritium. In 1998 they were Swiss branded with Luminova and in 1999 and 2000 they were branded Swiss Made and had Superluminova. The M really came to the market in late 2000 and had the exact same dial as its predecessor two years before. And an aluminium insert is closer to 100 bucks than to 20 these days :)
The "Swiss" only branded were 1998-1999, "U" and almost all "A" serial #. Luminova.
Finally! The Sub video!
As a proud owner of a 114060 since over a year, I still find myself staring at it with sparkles in my eyes every time I wear it, which is every single day. I adore this watch more than anything else I’ve ever owned!
greycats99 owned mine since January and feel exactly the same. Doubt I’ll ever need another watch
If you get an 114060, get ready to sell the collection off! It’s the best one watch collection there is!
I’m growing bored with mine 🙁 have been on a seiko kick recently.
I have the two line 14060M and it really is the perfect Submariner in my opinion.
I was offered a 114060 a couple of years ago at retail price and I couldn't refuse it.
You're absolutely right, they are like two totally different watches character wise, and on the wrist.
If I really had to part with one of them it would undoubtedly be the 114060. It's beautifully engineered but I find it a bit to square, boxy and soulless.
If Rolex made a modern Ceramic Submariner in the 40mm Yacht Master case it would be sublime!
I have the 14060M with 2 lines of text too and would say it's the best of the bunch. I agree the 114060 is too boxy, and lacks that astehtically pleasing look of the earlier models.
The best sub is the one you can get your hands on. Got a 114060 for a few months now, and loving it!
Wear in good health
Any toolwatch Rolex Submariner needs lug holes... so the 14060M is the last of the classic Rolex Submariner diving watches...
8:52 4 line dial version 3130 ran from 2007 to 2012
Ph MWU why though? Never understood the whole lug hole necessity thing. Of course, I also think that a watch which comes on a bracelet belongs on that bracelet.
If a watch comes on a shit or average bracelet maybe but the new sub has possibly the best bracelet and clasp on the market... why would you want to take it on and off? It’s not exactly hard to take the bracelet off without drilled lugs anyway but I don’t get why...
I own the ceramic.. it’s a tank.... ideally I’d love to have a two liner 14060m to keep it company!
Last month I bought a 1973 5512 , I dont really wear it, but just love to look at it, try it on and put it back in the safe :)
The answer to your title question is: “yes”
I have every Sub model but more of a Patek kinda guy.
Cleg Smegson rich kid?
@@Mitch-dr7un CEO of my own business actually. Seiko kid?
Cleg Smegson Wow a 6200,6204,6205,5514,5510,6538,5517,5512,6536,5508,5513,1680 etc etc hats off to you sir I’m well impressed
@@clegsmegson2627 I know, right? Seikos, gross! Poor people are so disgusting. They can't understand why you would watch a video about watches you supposedly already own by a channel that explicitly denounces watch snobbery. Pathetic. But, I get you man. As soon as these dweebs run their own company and find their worth in material possessions, they'll understand too.
I have a 5513 which my parents gave me in 1968. Except when I travel ( I use a cheap watch for travelling) it has been on my wrist for 56 years all the time. It is a work watch. During that time during Rolex servicing I have had the original pin bracelet replaced due to total wear out, the bezel and the face replaced due to wear. Every day I wear this watch I remember my Mom & Dad!
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Personally, I think a pre-ceramic model with the newest bracelet would be a great combination, considering that the maxi case just looks too bloated in its proportions.
14060m with 4 line dial is a future classic and will be highly desired
I’m still undecided between 2 lines VS 4 lines of 14060M … what do you suggest ? I like the vintage and cleaner look if 2 lines but I think that 4 lines offers more for approximately the same price …
@@heric_ it’s not the sane future. 2 lines much more collectible and you like it. So go get it 😄. Don’t think twice. Get 14060m if it’s your only Rolex. It’s just the best of both worlds.
@@Romio666 ;)
Thanks to this video I now own a two line 14060M. Love the symmetry, lack of unneccessary info on the dial, no redundant "ROLEX" markings around the rehaut, and graceful contour.
Congrats John, it's a brilliant watch.
The waitlist is over! I went into a Rolex AD in Switzerland 3 weeks ago before lock down and social distancing. I got a call last week and was told they were going to post the No Date Sub to me. It arrived today! I have never spent a penny with the AD, I just charmed the salesman and I think I was in the right place at the right time.
Bucherer?
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Wow, I am still waiting at Watches of Switzerland in London. Since 2 years now. Luckily, I managed to buy one in Vienna in the meantime (after about 1y wait).
Black Bay 58, toughness of a 114060 and the feel of a 5513
Very good point, my sentiments exactly, that's why I bought one & it's been a fantastic.
BB58 is more like a 6536 as opposed to 5513
The BB58 is very close to my 5508. I tried it while having my 5508 on my wrist. Almost a modern clone
its a great watch
Yeah, the 6536 and 5508 are just about the size of the bb58, I have them all. I’ll probs. Do a comparison on CZcams soon. I’ll raven compare them to earlier 36mm models, and the first 5512 versions. The bb58, 6536, and 5508 are the perfect proportions, and all beautiful.
2nd...this is the Video I didn't know I was waiting for, but now having seen it, I realize I've always been hungry for the information & the context of it.
So much good info I know this is one of your videos I'll re-watch multiple times. What a gift. Thank you, Adrian!
When you have a 7’5 inch wrist and had the 16600 the maxi case on the 114060 is a welcome relief. Fits sooo much better with a necessary glidelock. Lost me on that one jules
Get an SD43, much better for your wrist. Oe even JC with easy fix glide lock without removing the watch from the wrist.
Nice informative video. As someone else said the best one is the one on your wrist, in my case the '69 5513 I've had from new. It's seen parties,
the underside of 8 feet of Arctic ice and everything in between. I much prefer its svelt case to the most recent iteration. I'll never have another Rolex as I can't justify the cost of a new one.
2:12 In Dr No, actor Sean Connery wore a Rolex Submariner 6538
To be able to start an introduction about watches whilst moving your hands at the same time is nothing unusual, but not to spill any coffee while doing it is a real gift! An enjoyable review, thank you.
I remember almost buying a 2 line sub in 2007 and was surprised how flimsy the bracelet was when you considered the price. The current model matches the price asked at retail and the hype.
the old bracelet is so comfortable for long term wear though
14060 was produced until 1999/00, while 14060m was produced from 2000/1 - 2009/10. They began using luminova around 1998/99 (swiss only dials) and super luminova came out around 2000, (swiss made dials). so, you have about a year gap when the 14060 could have come out of the factory on swiss made dial. my point being that even if your generalizations fit about 90% of 14060 cases, where swiss made dials are clearly service dials, there are certainly exceptions with some A serial and P serial 14060 productions coming out of the factory with swiss made dials.
Unfortunately with Rolex there are many exceptions. There’s very rarely a clean change in production. Movements, fonts, lume all change over time. I thought I’d just focus on the main changes.
14060M rise up! Loved the production, and glad you went over submariners I personally love them.Will you possible do a collection overview this year?
5513 Submariner without the white gold indices, I just love it.
best german-english colab since the queen
Cédric Conter The Germans are ready to restart the colab 😉
All the best to the uk!
Yes. Well done 👍
Hi, Adrian!
Well, that may just be the most enjoyable video of yours that I've ever seen.
Just love the Submariner.
Bought myself a 114060 last summer.
When I put him on my wrist every morning, he simply makes me happy. Just a little happiness that I otherwise wouldn't have. A little lift to my day that no one else knows about.
I'm relatively new to wristwatches - less than 2 years trawling CZcams watch channels - and from what I've seen so far, everyone ends up in vintage. But I'm not there (yet). The only sub I've handled is the ceramic. Maybe everything will change when I eventually hold a glistening, knee-wobbling 5-digit.
But until then, I'm an engineer and my clinical beast (and I love how you call it that; he really is a beast) joins me faithfully in all I do: quiet, -0.3 seconds per day, brutishly reliable, stoically unfailing, resolute.
And then I take him off before going to bed, wish him, "Goodnight," put him on his microfibre cloth to sleep, and switch off the light above him.
:)
I think of these as the last air cooled 911s
I would love, love, love for you to do a video comparing your 14060M with a Black bay 58. They are so similar in size and character, but I'm really curious about the emotional factor of having big brother and little brother side-by-side. I'm coming up on a very important occasion (20 years of sobriety) and trying to decide between buying a brand new Black bay 58 or buying a 14060 or 104060M two liner. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
-Ray
i have the same question ...
Just a note, Rolex did release dials that said "tritium" but had luminova instead. This was around 1997 when they were making the switch and are colloquially known as tritinova dials.
I didn’t know that. But knowing Rolex, it doesn’t surprise me.
You are correct. Ciao
Bought my SubC Date 116610LN 3 years ago. I destroy watches, but this one has held up well, surviving a fall onto brick, dinging on metal as I do my daily activities: I don’t have to baby it. The band is strong and durable. For me, this watch is perfect. The fact that it’s worth more than I paid is icing on the cake.
Pretty sure the Bond sub was the 6538 which is what the Tudor Black Bays are a remake of (the Tudor version of that Rolex) and not the 5513
Only two words: THE BEST! Surely the best ever video about Submariner that I have ever seen. Very objective but with passion. Loved the map resuming the models! Congrats!
Missed the 14060 transitional with Luminova with “Swiss” only at 6. Was last run before the 14060m.
That is the one. 👍😀
Yep I had one of those and sold it. I'll always regret that.
Have the date version with swiss only dial. Great watch. For me it's a good blend between modern and vintage
yeah i’ve got one
People are going to look back at this time and wonder why they didn't buy the Swiss only Rolexes. They don't really go for much of (if any) premium right now, but they will. Oh they will.
One of the first watch videos I ever enjoyed and learned from was Adrian's, about the Explorer. Similar to this one. Stay safe, Adrian and the entire Watch Fam!
LibrarianRobert Remember it. He was on a roof and it was cold. Funny how you remember extraneous things like that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have seen transition models of 14060 (no M) from year 1999-2001 with "Swiss Made" dial and super luminova, and they're not service dial. Is that true?
Yes.. 99 to 00 14060 have swiss made dials...
Correct.
14060m in my opinion is the best Sub.
Love the pre-ceramic, 5 digit Subs. The lugs are more tapered and it rest easy on the wrist. Anyway, I have been wearing my 16610 around the house since I have been staying at home for the past couple of weeks lol
The best Submariner is the one you want, end of story.
The first bond watch wasn’t the 5513 actually. In Dr. No, the first film, Sean Connery sported the large crown late 1950s version of the sub, the 6538, and he wore it in Goldfinger and thunderball as well. The 5513 has the crown guards that the original subs didn’t have and close ups on Connery show the no crown guards. Roger Moore actually wore the 5513 in ‘Live and Let Die’
Great, concise history of the Sub. Thanks! Completely agree that you need a watch to wear and enjoy even if it might get slightly beaten up. My compromise is I have the 114060 which I use for best but a Ginault Ocean Rover 2 with aluminium bezel (rather than the new ceramic version they do) plus domed vintage look sapphire crystal as my everyday watch. The Ocean Rover 2 build quality is (I’d say) similar to the Rolex and you get the vintage look but won’t break the bank if you bash it while doing DIY!
Just acquired a 124060, it is iconic with proper vintage feel but a forward looking wear, a perfect blend and sublime to hold.
I prefer the ceramic bezel, maxi case and bracelet on the 114060. Great review and thank you for sharing your experience
Great video Adrian really enjoyed it.
One small point, the Sub that features in Dr no was a ref 6538, not the 5513
The 6538 has no crown guards.
I like the submariner, but I can't get on with the mercedes hour hand. It just stops me loving it completely. So for me the best submariner is the british military submariner from the 70's, the 5513 with the sword hands.
Hi Adrian. Excellent video. Can you do a similar video for Pepsi gmt master variations. I can give you one of them.... no I can’t we are locked down🤔 after this crap clears up I can lend you vintage one.
great video, a lot to learn, two question, the accuracy changes by model or is the same? and other question, only the 114060 are antimagnetic with the parachrom hairspring?
I am not an expert, but as I know, 1- The accuracy is getting slightly better, each time the movement is upgraded. 2- I don’t think that the 114060 is even totally antimagnetic. Only it’s only the hairspring.
The 5513 isn’t the original Bond watch. The original Bond watch was a big crown, no guards Submariner. I forget the reference. Either way great video about one of my favourite watches, and the only one that I regret selling.
Rob Doran you are correct sir. Ref 6538 I believe
🙏🏻 Great summary ,thank you for you time in making this video.
I have a 1406m four liner and like you spent lots of time deciding on which watch to buy it’s a truly classic watch that I love wearing. And will one day hand down to my son..
Neo-Vintage Rolex with sapphire crystal and tritium lume is by far my favorite generation of Rolex! Great video bruv!
Adrian this was a great video, one of your best. Your very best was when you fell in the river in Scotland. For me 114060 wins hands down. Best looking rolex ever!!! I still love mine and never want to replace it.
I got my 14060m four liner (2010) just a week ago. I'm loving it so far. Initially, I was a bit taken aback by the seemingly flimsy stamped clasp. But once sized properly and on the wrist, it wasn't a concern. It also feels very small. I also bought a brand new Omega Seamaster Professional 300m just two weeks earlier and it's a beast of a watch. The 42mm diameter suits me well.
I decided on the 14060m, classic Sub thanks to your video. I would love the modern clasp on the classic case.
New sub should look like the 5513 with the ceramic bezel and modern bracelet.
Love my 114060, the maxi case suits my wrist. The watch is a stunner, the old version looks too round, to me the maxi is a modern take therefore has more character as it’s unique. The new one is crossed between old and new. I’d not change it, GMT Master ii is the same maxi style case and don’t hear many people complaining about them do we?
Thanks for this review! Definitely helped me narrow down the best option for me. What would be an equivalent to the 14060M but with a date?
Meir Weiss post 2000 16610, superluminova dial, 3135 movement, classic case, old bracelet. Go pre 2003 if you want drilled lugs. SELs post about 2001
You’re wrong about the cosc certification on M. Only after 2007
14060m. Done. Best of all worlds, best proportions, cleanest dial, modern quality.
I agree, except for the bracelet. Which is far from modern quality.
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@@yetidh9 True but closer than the folded, stretchy stuff they produced back in the day
5513 (from 1967) all the way ... but only in rotation on weekends together with other 1960s stunners, like the 321. That is my true collection. Weekdays : modern pieces. Swimming : 1500 m SuperOcean, not taking a 10K watch in the water. So modern Sub is not for me.
I have worn Submariners since 1975. I used to complain to Rolex in London about the shortcomings of their models: part of tomorrow's date protruded into the aperture, there was play on the lugs between the horns of the case; this caused the bracelet to rattle and the time keeping was poor.
Cool video, as ever Adrian. I’ve got a 14060 and a current sub date ceramic. As the sub date ceramic was my first Rolex I have a real soft spot for it. However, you just can’t beat the purity of the 14060.
I’ve also got a 981 Porsche Cayman which is a lovely , balanced , exhilarating and enjoyable car but will always yearn for an air cooled 911.
Keep up the great work mate.
May you and your family stay safe.
5513 for me, I see it around a fair bit, and to me it’s pretty close to perfect
Would you choose a matt over a late 80s ?!
In all fun, every time I hear you say "it lacks character", I could see you on House Hunters walking into a room and getting mad that there is no crown molding. lol
The 14060m imo has amazing dimensions as it doesn't have the maxi case. The bracelet lets it down. If only it has the bracelet of the 114060 that would be perfect!
Great video Adrian, could we expect to see more about the Tudor BB58 soon?
Wasnt the 6538 the Bond watch?
In the beginning yes. There are other several movies later with a 5513
Great Video - drilled lugs would have been an interesting topic. I see your newer 14060m must be quite late to have engraved rehaut but it still has drilled lugs???
I have a date version with un-drilled lugs - did they continue with the drilled lugs on the no date due to it being more likely to be used by professional divers?
So with a new Rolex Submariner generation almost every 10 years now... can we expect to see a new generation of Submariner within the next 2 years? Didn't the GMT and Seadweller get an updated movement recently so their power reserve levels matched that of Tudor's Black Bay line?
Yuanmei im pretty sure Rolex we’re going to announce the update at Basel World, but that’s been postponed now
Thanks Adrian for this video ! Small question / remark: after some research, I understood that the sub 14060 was produced until 2001, Am I wrong? I am looking to buy a sub and I found a magnificent 14060 (Swiss made) from 2001. Do I have to question its authenticity?
Hi Gary, the problem with old Rolex operation was there were very few clean cut changes. Many watches are called “transitional” as they might have one model number but actually contains components of another model number. So you could have a 14060 from 2001 with a 14060m dial.
New sub is the best sub. 114060, it is a divers watch. Maxi dial for better visibilty under water(and when you are getting older),better lume, better bezel(your not supposed to drop a watch, EVER, unless its a g-shock), bracelet is far superior, maxi case and bigger crown guards make it withstand more of a beating and beeing polished more often(i'll never polish mine,ever.) Also, i want my son to habe this watch when i pass, this watch wil withstand time better than any of the previous ones. The "caracter" this watch should be displaying is exactly what is is. A rugged divers watch
I always wanted to go inside a Rolex store.
Although I am not buying this watch until 2024, should I still visit a store sooner? What should I expect inside? Is watch fitting allowed? How do you act inside? Do you say that you’re not buying right away?
Which submariner is best? Easy.....a sea dweller! Specifically a 16600, later model with solid end links (also means you can add a modern clasp if you really want but I see nothing wrong with the stamped clasps but I wear mine on a Nato anyway so who cares). And No cyclops, but it has the date. Best of everything. Yes it doesn’t have lug holes but who needs them if you have the correct spring bar tool.
And I don’t get your criticisms Adrian of the stamped clasps and hollow link bracelets. It’s steel. I mean you sell fabric and leather straps that you advertise for use with Submariners. Stamped clasps and hollow link brackets are magnitudes of times stronger than any leather or fabric strap. Yes they aren’t as sturdy and beefy as a modern clasp and bracelet but I feel the modern ones are over engineered.
Why wasn’t the Sub Cosc Certified for such a Long time? With watches using the same movement being Certified (ex 14270)
Rolex didn’t want to pay the fee for the cert. they treated the no date sub as a lower watch to others.
14060M for me... slim case, lightweight, delicate, COSC, and no engraved rehaut.... Two-liner! Great Video, stay safe all....
Very very recommended! I own one and I think it’s the best sub ever. Clean dial, no date, superluminova, sapphire Cristal...what do you want more? It’s a legend bridging vintage and modern references!
To answer to the title question is: "The one you have on your wrist"
No mention of the 5513 four line certified chronometer? Better or worse than the 5513 two line non certified Submariner? Would you weigh in on that question? The four line feet first I am speaking of is 1971/1972 vintage. Thanks for your help.
I am very worried about you Adrian, sinking so low as to use “Apple launch“ terminology! Seriously this is an excellent intro into the world of submariner‘s. Thanks a lot. 👍
Haha. As an ex Apple employee, unfortunately most of their terms are deep engrained. #brainwashed
just brought a 14060m 4liner for 12k. first Rolex in my Collection.
Absolutely beautiful work as always but you are slightly mistake the 14060 with the 3000 movement ended it's run in 2000 the only reason why I know this it's because I have 1 it's the 14060P serial so all I have to say is keep up the awesome and at the end of the day we're all human and we do make mistakes lol
And does your dial say "swiss made"?
yes it does
@@babzpeter1 Cool. I believe all P serials do from the factory, so just because a 14060 has a swiss made dial doesnt mean its a service dial.
Are you trying to say that the dial that I have on my Rolex isn't correct
@@babzpeter1 no mate. Im saying it is correct. Adrian made a mistake in this video by saying that any 14060 with a "swiss made" dial is actually a service dial, which is not true because P serials from 2000 came with these dials original from the factory. I think he just didnt realise thay 14060s were still in production in 2000, thats why the last runs share the same dial as the 14060M
Adrian, I have been a regular viewer for the last six months, and found them all professionally presented and very interesting, but this one took your standard up to another level. I couldn't analyse what was different, but my attention didn't waver at any time. I just enjoyed listening. Phil.
14060 2 line tritium for the win 👍
Very interesting, but the 114060 was introduced in 2012. Cheers
fanter trecontatori 👌🏻
Yes, tool watches, but how many people wearing divers actually dive? How many folks wearing Breitlings are pilots? I venture to say very few. We wear them because we simply like them.
less than 1 % and the ones that due will not dive at the depths that some of these dive watches are rated for
@@WatchUnwind I don't think any self - respecting professional diver would dive with an automatic watch in this day and age.
As a diver it pisses me off when I see someone with a diver that doesn’t even know about it
Hi Adrian,
Did you have any coffee in that mug? The way you swinging it around must be pretty thick coffee! anyway enjoy your videos.
How can you tell whether a 14060m is an “m” and not a 14060 with a service dial and a replaced bezel? (Without opening the watch).
I'm just happy enough to land an 114060! Can't beat that bracelet, and I love how in certain light... the bezel looks "ghost" OH!! The sound of that bezel click is sublime! Great video Adrian.
great video, but i do like and enjoy my ceramic sub 114060, i like the shinny bezel and solid bracelet which i paid for
Great Video! 14060 was in production until late-2000 until reaplced by the 14060M and at 7:00 you mention that Swiss Made dials are service dials, this not true. The last of the 14060's, the Mk3 variant dial was marked 'Swiss Made' and incorporated Superluminova from the factory.
The fact that the coronet on the crown doesn't line up when screwed down is a big flaw to me. I've got a ceramic Longines Hydroconquest that always lines up exactly when screwed in and its a $1600 watch...
Quick question. It was mentioned that the 14060M (four liner) is slimmer than the 14060? Can someone confirm if this is true? I'm torn between the two watches and have small wrists. If this is true it could be the deciding factor. Thanks all
This isn’t something I’m aware of. Hopefully someone else might be able to confirm.
I have a 5513 as well and have basically the same thoughts as to its durability. And I've thought about getting an M or 114260 to update the glass and luminous. But I like the rattle of the bracelet and the look of the watch so much more than the 114. I'd consider an M though, like yours - the 2 line. One difference of opinion: I love the 2-way bezel - so much easier to set, and mine doesn't spin around without a deliberate move. Thanks
Love the no Date Submariner. I recently sold my 2015 Date Submariner to buy a 2019-2020 no Date version. Ended up buying another vintage Meters First Dial Submariner instead...
Amazing 🤩. Is the meters first claims much higher premium. How much did you pay for it ?!
I also have a Rolex Submariner 2002 (no date) like yours. Are you saying that even though my watch does not say “certified chronometer”, it is COSC. Certified?
Don't mean to be too picky, but I think you were wrong when you mentioned the Rolex 5513 as the first bond watch. I believe that was actually the reference number 6538 which bond wears on the strap that is too small for it apparently an 18 mm size NATO for the 20mm lugs. That said, great outline of the quasi-modern Rolex submariners.
I thought there are also 14060M cases without drilled-through lug holes.
The newest ones, I presume, also with solid end links.
Adrian, could you please comment on that?
As far as I’m aware the 14060m never had solid end links and always had a holes case. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Rolex changed the case at some point. But I’m certain about the bracelet.
@@BarkandJack I made a mistake, I had the submariner date 16610 rehaut in mind, which has no drilled through holes and does have solid end links. Now I am wondering why there is such a difference between a date and a no date version... Do you know why? I am only a newby.
@@BarkandJack Eventually I found this explanation: "Both the 16610 and 14060 would serve as the face of Rolex until they were discontinued circa 2010. During their lifetime, they would also undergo various minimal updates that included the lug holes going away, solid links (center and end) for the bracelets, and updated clasps." on bespokeunit.com/watches/rolex/submariner/ Thank you very much for your swift answers!
911JB32 yeah the 16610 went through lots of changes. The 14060m has a few, but not anywhere near as many as the 16610. 👍🏻
My favorite is the 16800. Best of both worlds. Having said that, my favorite Rolex is the 16660 Sea-Dweller. Someday. Great video!
Do you think it’s wise to swap a16600 full original set with a watch only 5513 🤔 ? . Please take into consideration that I also have an SD43.
I’m confused. I bought my 16610 in 1992, and it was a Superlative Chronometer. Why aren’t these?
Because they were meant for the cheapskate that didn’t want to fork out the extra cash to get a date Sub. I am one of those people
There is another difference between the 14060 and the 14060M and it’s pretty significant - a solid end link bracelet on the M. How could you ignore that?
Top Submariner for me is the 14060M ...
Hi Adrian. Regarding all 14060s with a "Swiss Made" dial being service dials, can you provide a source? 14060s and 14060M both come in P serials and I can't find any 14060 P serial that doesn't have a "Swiss Made" dial. In fact I can even find an unpolished 14060 that still has its original sticker on the case back with a SM dial. I think it would be highly unlikely that all of these examples from production year 2000 would have service dials like you say.
still a great video by the way.
Hi buddy,
I have not proof on this. It’s to do with the line up of dates. The 14060 went out of production in 1999. Rolex used Luminova (Swiss only dials) in 1999-2000 and used Super Luminova (Swiss Made) in 2000. Unlike some change that have been specific to model line, the lume change seems to have been across the board. If you’ve got links to these P serial watches, then I’m happy to cut that bit out.
@@BarkandJack from the research I've done, A and U serials from 98-99 went luminova with "Swiss" only dials. Then in 2000 there are P serials (should be the last of the 14060s) that have the Swiss Made superluminova dials that also went onto the new 14060Ms, which started with P serials also. Here is one of the ones i mentioned but if you google 14060 P Serial you can find many more. www.watchpatrol.net/listing/803458/
@@BarkandJack another one www.collectors1946.com/products/unpolished-2-liner-papers-rolex-submariner-steel-no-date-black-dial-14060-watch
@@BarkandJack heres another good example. Basically unworn condition, claiming new old stock and you can see on the papers that its a 14060 (non M) sold in early 2001 with a P serial and Swiss Made dial. www.watchcollector.com.au/second-hand-rolex-submariner-14060-p-serial-box-papers?format=pdf&ml=1