The Fastest 5-seaters of the 1990s - W124 500E v RS2 v M5 Touring + ND2 - Cammisa Ultimate Drag Race
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- Just how fast was the fastest sedan in the world in 1992? The legendary Porsche-built Mercedes-Benz 500E races the fastest wagons in the world: the E34 BMW M5 Touring and the Audi RS2 Avant, which was also built by Porsche!
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Veteran automotive journalist Jason Cammisa and SCCA hall-of-fame race-car driver Randy Pobst line up and race the Mercedes 500E (known later as the E500) against the RS 2 and M5, and the results are surprising. Will the Mercedes' 4-speed automatic kill its chances against the two other manuals - a five-speed in the M5 and a six-speed in the Audi?
And what's with the six-cylinder E320 dogleg manual wagon and its DOHC 24V 3.2-liter straight-six?
The 3.8-liter S38 is the biggest straight-six that BMW has ever made, and it produced 340 PS (335 hp) at an insane, independent-throttle-body screaming 6900 rpm. The Audi's much-smaller 2.2-liter, 20-valve turbo five-cylinder made 315 PS (311 hp), and the 5.0-liter quad-cam, DOHC 32V Mercedes V-8 made 326 PS (322 hp) but had variable valve timing so it creamed the others on torque.
The next question is: can any of these 1990s legends keep up with today's slowest sports car, the ND2 Mazda MX-5 Miata? You'll be surprised by the outcome.
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Chapters:
0:00 Purple Manual Wagons - and a 500E
0:50 Hagerty Driver's Club Offer
1:11 E34 M5 Touring Specs and Info
2:06 Audi RS2 Avant Specs and Info
2:41 Mercedes-Benz S124 E320T 5-speed Dogleg Specs and Info
3:11 Mercedes-Benz W124 500E/E500 Specs and Info
4:15 1/4-mile: 500E vs RS2 vs M5
5:28 Walkback: How is the 500E so fast?
6:40 Launching and racing the E34 M5
7:40 AWD launch in the RS2 - plus turbo lag in the 1/4-mile
9:06 Jason and Randy kiss their own Valentine 1 radar detectors
9:56 ND2 Miata vs Mercedes 500E 1/4-mile drag race
11:16 Drag Race Results Leaderboard
11:25 Conclusion: power-to-weight is wrong! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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I like to see a dragrace with an golf r32 vs Clio v6 vs alfa 147 3.2.
Randy: _"Mahn, I almost had you..."_
Jason: _"Almost had _*_me?_*_ You barely had your Miata...!"_
How hell did you forget the Omega LOTUS?
Produced in 1991,big sedan with 377hp and SMOKE these 3 cars easely…
Its was the real fastest saloon!
Even the 1998 M5e39 400hp cant beat it.
You guys have a really awesome drive pilot, whoever they are! Great episode, as usual.
Valentine One is the KING. Always has been.
As a European, there's something gorgeous about 80s-90s EDM cars that today's generations lack.
purposeful minimilist design
What's the matter with you being european😂
as a german, that goes as well with 80s 90s jdm cars. i think its the era.
Wood panels
They had character, not sound generators..
legendary wagons racing head to head AND a legendary presenter talking about them? what a way to start my morning!
couldn’t have put it better myself
What a way to end my day
@@mabuleonkars9706 What a sight to end my night
I love how Randy's just flipping Jason off in the RS2 while he's chilling in the trunk with the tailgate up🤣🤣
😂😂👍
Right 😂😂😂
Typical Audi driver. Signed, B9 A4 owner.
That's a nice little humor, I love it 🤣🤣😂
The 500E has always been in my dream garage and this video increases my love for that car. What a car!!!
W124 was such an icon in Europe that even at the end of production (almost 15 years in) was selected as villains car of choice in French classic "Taxi".
One underated movie
In Taxi the W124 were E400
Praise be to the Camissa, may he never cease to deliver amazing car content
Amen
*Cammisa
Bringing in a Miata brings another level of perspective ! This is what I love about Jason&co.
Yeah that was good
As an S2 owner, the driver of that RS2 let us all down. More revs, sidestep the clutch, powershift into second. 🎉
Yep not only the RS2, the M5 driver also, took him 2 years to change gear and you can see on the video when they show interior
"More revs, sidestep the clutch, powershift into second" - and go home on evaquator xD too old cars to do this
@@mpower_gpower wagon m5 much slower. Sedan best result 1/4 14 sec same as mercedes
Let us know who would do that to their RS2, no owner is going to high key "destroy" their car just to prove a point for internet petrol heads moguls.
@@narsustv1331 Spot on ....the manual gear box give such easy opportunity/access to gastly things happening they're not going to truly SPANK them.
Most interesting about this dragrace is that both the RS2 and the 500E are Porsche developments
Audi was built by porsche while the 500E was only assembled by porsche not built
Porsche does some little touch for that 500E, new engine management and also some change in chassis.
@@usmanbangash2236But Mercedes consulted Porsche on how to fit that massive V8 in there.
Not quite , the assembling line at Mercedes was too narrow for the wide archers of the 500e. And hence it was supposed to get some Porsche parts anyways, they decided to get the cars on a semi, took them a mile and a half down the road to Zuffenhausen for its second stage aaand sent them back for final assembling at merc again
Porsche designed and built the firewall and chassis modifications in house. I definitely wouldn't claim that it's a Porsche built car, but they did put their hands on every one.
You have to appreciate people who edit these videos. I think that is very unique.
Bravo!
Anyone know how they do all this stuff?
@@MrGamman3ytwith a lot of talented and hard working editors, god this channel is perfect
Thanks
Man the production of these videos is amazing, how many cameras are they using at once, you can count more than 15
@@MrGamman3yton the production end, lots of steadicams and gimbals, some subtle key lighting on the cars with light reflectors, and a few very expensive cameras.
On the post production end, painstaking editing on Premiere Pro or DaVinci Resolve. Maybe a combination of both.
Speaking from a perspective of a film school student, I’m sure the production setup is a lot more elaborate. This is just what I would guess was involved with making this episode.
The quality of this video is outstanding! I actually read the credits to see who's responsible for these videos! What an amazing team! You should be proud of this!
The quality of this show is unfair if you compare with others
He's too damn good
Knowing how you guys feel about these cars this was probably one of Jason's favorite he has done yet. They all look great, love the beamer but dang that Mercedes was fast. Randy flipping you off in the background when sitting in the back of the Audi was classic.
😂😂👍
Bimmer is the car version of BMW. Beemer is their motorcycle.
As a German who was a Kid in the early 1990s and a Car Fan this Video reminds me of my Dad's Audi RS2 Avant he bought new and still owns it now!
Lots of great Memories being allowed to ride Shotgun in it on the Autobahn with my Dad driving and going up to 200km/h (120mph) for the first Time in my Life!
Prost & Cheers from Frankfurt, Germany
Frankfurt is the best place to drive any car fast! The 5 line wide highway near the airport is so great!
@@gyula6516
You mean the largest parking space?
I always end up in a traffic jam there, doesn't matter if it's 2am or 2pm; the road was very busy and the lanes added in the 90s if I remember right. The A3 is the busiest motorway in Germany as it pretty much cuts the country in half, from The Netherlands to Austria.
@@gyula6516 not quite, from hamburg to husum there is the a23 and after itzehoe you can drive 400 if your car does it.
I also owned one hell of a car and i think no car to this day was thirstier
@@GoalSquad666 I drove from Denmark to France thru Germany 2 years ago and I hated every minute in Germany!, roads in bad condition, many, many jams and people driving quite badly. Seriously I had big expectations and at the end I enjoyed way more my driving in France.
Oh man, the dream cars! The wild camerawork! The VFX! The heart-pumping editing! The sexy calves! Loved every second of this video.
My father and Hans Werner, Chief of chassis development (?) were neighbours and friends, 'tested' the 500e when it was new on the german autobahn. This car was build by Porsche in Stuttgart, because Mercedes-Benz was not ready for a small-number-production. Both died long ago. May they rest in peace
Excellent video as always, but the continuous, no-cuts shot of the drag race at 8:42 and 10:59 is something really special that separates these drag races from the rest
agree. And as much love jason gets, anythony with the team deserves it also.
Couldn’t agree more, I understand it has to be also pleasant to see and full of emotions but I’m not really into that many cuts and different angles during the simple 1/4 mile race. Maybe we’re in minority.
The Middle Finger at 8:14 😂 Saludos to the editing and the crew....
Chef's kiss.
Must’ve been Randy
@@priceb713 I caught that and said "that damn Randy!" LOL
That's odd about the Audi RS2 as I've read articles back in the day where the Audi ran consistent 0-60mph in the high 4's (4.8-4.9secs)..
They could lick off mid 4 secs if you launched them hard enough they were pretty wild for the time…
You've got broken RS2. :)
It goes below 5sec on 0-60 many times (a lot of car magazines tested this back to the days).
And I did sub 5 personally.
One extra second doesn't really change the deal, but still big difference.
Start with 5-6k rpm is too much damaging. With the same success you can put semi-slick tires on rear-wheel drive ones and also give them a start from 6k rpm
Wasn't it the fast accelerating production car 0-30mph in the mid early to mid 90's just quicker than the McLaren F1?
That M5 wagon is to die for. Looks so amazing!
I had an LHD M5 in 99, then got an RHD one in 03 that I drive to this day. (New M5s are too big and I don't need any more speed.) My dream for over two decades now is to make a one-off E39 wagon M5. (There's definitely one, I think owned by BMW. It was in I think Evo magazine.)
After Mercedes to me..
@@joe125ful maybe for u, but i think mercedes just looks weird from the front. But still its an awsome car.
@@timjeklar8699It looks like normal sedan not angry like M5 but from inside its beast as you can see.
My brain cannot process the editing. Please win some awards for this stuff.
There's much nice editing going on ... and it's funny with the guy explaining stuff, while the race seems still going on in slow mo. But sometimes they are over the top. E. g. they obviously did several races to get enough footage ... but these scenes get mixed and are kind of confusing because of that (e.g. compare 4:56 to 4:59; one time the Audio jumps ahead, one time the Mercedes).
My family and I had 3 W124 in our lives (we still have 1 left!), damn we love that car, thank you Hagerty & Cammisa for this wonderful video!
Have an S124 myself. It's a hell of a car!
This is the drag race that I ever wanted to see.
I was a lucky one to grow up with this car, it was so fun to hit the road. My dad still miss this beauty
500 E ❤❤❤
I had my 500E for 15 years now and it is the car I use as the "daily" driver. It alway performs beautifully on shopping rounds aswell as on fast long distans trips in Europe. I have owned other premium cars but non of them come even close to the Mercedes 500E!
Lucky you 😊 I have an S124 300TE and a W201 190E 2.6 and loving them. But 500E is at another level. Will get there one day hopefully. All the best 2 u mate!
absolute dream
how is it? Did it lose its power or did you take care of it
@@th3Kun merc doesn't loose power like bmw
What’s the city fuel consumption on that beauty?
1:52 Seeing that mechanical straight 6 in in action gave me goosebumps ☺️☺️
It also sounds glorious, a dream car just got added to my list.
The production and post production team on these videos is absolutely outstanding. Innovative shots, special effects and visual effects. Love Jason, Randy and the whole damn thing!
How do we get this amount of quality camera work and editing?!?!!? What did we all deserve to have this kind of BEAUTIFUL CONTENT AND SUPERB JOURNALISM?!
Legendary W124. Man I want one.
It's A dream come true to see the legendary 500 E W124 on Camissa's show 👍
He had a whole episode about it brother. A must see, if you haven't seen it yet. 😊
I must say the video angles and shots in this comparison are epically on point.. birds eye, side shot, rear shots you name it its there... love it🙏🏽🙏🏽
I absolutely love these videos with Jason Cammisa. The quality of the videos are Beyond Compare, and really enjoy the effects of the car still racing in slow motion as he walks and talks around them.
Couldn't help but laugh out loud when Jason sat in the back of the Audi and you can see the driver( probably the great Randy Probst) giving him the finger.
I'm a W124 E500 fan, and seeing that pristine piece of art again just revives one of the best child memories with that car ( my father had one for 20 year without a single issue ). I believe it's the best video I've seen in CZcams. My dream is to have one of these in my garage one day
Good lord that gap the mercedes made was insane!
This is why as an old gen Xer I just bought a MX-5 RF a few months back. The performance of all those cars that you thought were bad ass (and were for their time) when you were a kid but now at 40mpg, cheap maintenance & under warranty. Oh, and it would kill the Merc, or any of them, in the twisties any day of the week.
Great video Jason! Keep em coming!
I love a good Miata but the handling of the 500e is surprisingly good and with a competent driver, it will stay glued to the rears of much newer and “sportier” cars. I have a 560sel s class with the single cam version of the 500e and that car, I could easily pull away from 350 and 370Z’s, older Porsche Carraras, and hot versions of normal cars like the SI and GTI. That’s despite it weighing in at 4100 pounds and having a 4 speed automatic, but it has almost 400 ft-lbs of torque and a wonderful suspension and chassis for a big car.
These videos are so underrated I cannot comprehend why! Excellent presentation, stunningly creative cinematography, gorgeous cars! Hagerty is setting standards for what a true car show is about! After dawn of top gear I truly believe this is the best car show made!
Love the disappearing drivers, and my favorite was, (I assume Randy) flipping Jason off while he's breaking down the Audi!
You caught that too! :)
I think he is flipping the M5.
Lol….thanks, didn’t realize that
I think the one flipping finger was Derek Tam Hyphen Scott
That E500 is impressive! Who would have thought that slow 4-speed auto would be an asset!
Hit the like button before even watching. This can't be anything else than spectacular! Thanks, Jason and all the team!
absolutely phenomenal sequences and cuts of the post race slow motion and creative takes around that.. love this - what a great show with Jason Cammisa.
Whole Miata segment is just textbook sample of "Simplify, then add lightness". Bravo!
9:06 I FREAKED out when the Miata pulled up next to the 500E because that’s sorta what my garage looks like! I drive an ND2 Miata RF and my wife drives a W212 E550, a modern homage to the W124.
Give her that Mazda man 😂 Wouldn't trust my wife any of my Mercs😅
LOVE, love, love these video.
Thank you all Hagerty team!
Wow, what a legendary lineup! Thank you, a real remarkable channel this is!😮
RS2 has recorded better times in the past by a huge margin (0-60 of 4.8 and a 1/4 mile of 13.45) of what it produced on this segment. I love the content but I think they were being a little soft on the RS2, it bogged hard after launch and got out of boost then didn't regain boost until mid 2nd gear. I can understand why they didn't want to damage a RS2 being its a $100k car in the US and a limited production car as well.
Honestly it looked like they botched the launch on the RS2 to me.
RS2 was doing sub-14 second quarters when new on OEM 90's tires. It was over a second quicker to 60mph than the Merc back in the day. That's what's so dumb about these kinds of videos. We're talking about three used 30 year-old cars lol. Lord knows what's wrong with any/all of them at this point. It's one thing to say, "on paper this car shouldn't win etc." but quite another to just totally ignore reality. RS2 should be crossing the finish line 2 seconds ahead of the M5 lol but hey whatever gets those clicks, right?
I guess that RS2 didn't have it's best day...
It's definitely not 100% healthy, maxing out the rear suspension like that... It probably needs a minor chassis overhaul and a thorough inspection of vacuum hoses and wastegate.
It's also possible the best quarter miles were done by speed-shifting (keeping the throttle pinned) to keep the boost up, but that'd be bad for the clutch and rough on the whole power train. I've had cars in this category since 1995 (Supra, two E39 M5's, R35, F430 spider manual) and I floored them every time I got behind the wheel but never speed-shifted.
@@lqr824 The KKK turbo in the RS 2 is pretty big, but it spools up pretty fast. With a car in perfect health and just a little practice you don't need speed-shifting, it should be a lot faster than in this episode. Speaking from experience...
The induction and exhaust noise of the 500e is fantastic, I bet with a good aftermarket exhaust it sings
R129 500SL here with the same engine and transmission. With a custom stainless exhaust and, yes, they do indeed sing once you uncork them a little
Jason, I bloody love your videos! Amazing how the Mazda could keep up, but we all know we all want the 500E! What a car!
This was outstanding! Thank you.
The Miata comparison is a good one; ND2s are actually pretty quick cars. I had a 94 NA and I already found it surprising how quick it got up to 100 MPH for a "slow" car (light weight and low frontal area!), then my friend gets a 2022 and it's another level of performance; he actually recently complained to me he wish it was a little slower bcuz he would like to spend more time in the throttle before he has to lift off or brake xD And I couldn't help but note my Golf Alltrack with a $500 stage 1 chip tune is probably a pretty dead match for an RS2 in a straight line...
500E was not meant for drag races anyway
@@sylvaind.6786with that being said, you’d expect a (then) mid-size sedan that’s powered by a V8 to have some level of performance at least. Otherwise, what’s the V8 for 😅
@@sylvaind.6786 : Nor is the MX-5 and yet, there you go…
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646
Autobahn
Old Mercedes V8s sound so good! In Highschool my best friends uncle had 1989 SL 500 with this same motor and transmission. It was such a fun car to drive! I know it’d do 140mph really quick! 😏
Sorry mate couldn't hold myself, but in 1989 it was 500 SL, not SL 500. Cheers 😊
The production on these videos are insane. You all are amazing
What a great Competition! Amazing Video , thanks for that !
Might have been the slowest, but give me that Avant over the others any day. It's still got such a cool, distinct design to it.
Appreciate the graphics! Awesome.
Awesome content as always guys! Looking forward to the next video :)
I would take the rs2 avant over the others. I love the way they look and to me, nothing sounds better than a audi 5 cylinder turbo🤘🔥
I'd take a Volvo 850 T5R before any of these.
Nice, then there's more for the rest of us.@@malcolmjcullen
Give me V8 any time.
I am greedy and want all three.
That LeMans winning Mercedes V8 tho!
Randy's middle finger while glaring into the rearview mirror is legendary.
The way the video was produced is awesome.
Keep up the good work man
Another fantastic video, thank you
I am simple man, I see a Cammisa video and I press like before watching.
The angles and flybys are the best I've seen on CZcams, insane production!
The quality of the production of this video is amazing, no matter what you think of the outcome of the race. Kudos.
Stunning video, guys! Amazing post-production!
You're absolutely the best at your job and obviously you're loving it. That must feel really good.
Love the editing! It really shows well how things happend at each moment
big props to camissa's editors for making one of the best video series on youtube
I’ve been hanging out for another JC episode, thank you
The production quality never ceases to amaze me. How do you guys put Jason’s shadow and his reflection on the cars in the post race walk around?!?!? Black magic 🔥
My opinion is that those walkthrough scenes are filmed practically, they just push the cars into a slow roll. Then layer the fog/dof effects to make the scene look slow-mo. Just would be the easiest way to film it, IME. I also can't remember ever seeing Jason in-car and on-track at the same time... he always exits his own car.
E500 never disappoints
these are so solid, keep them coming!
The production value of these videos is beyond amazing!
Jason pumping the market 😂 thank you bro 😊 my Audi C4 urS4 appreciates you ❤
It's always great yo see a new video from these guys. WOW. Really nice way to made my day. I wish they came up with more and more videos faster. It is already the best series online 😁
Honestly this video is the ultimate advert for the Mazda Nd mx5... amazing product as always....love your videos....love from Malaysia
Fantastic as usual, and the production value is phenomenal!
Simply amazing production. Thank you!
I LOVE THESE VIDEOS!!!! Just WOW! And...anyone who's tracked an ND2 knows that it runs with much faster cars on a technical course. It's fast enough to hold them back on the straights, since it dusted them in the turns...STOCK. But then it's JUST AS FUN taking it to Target for an order pickup!
This is an awesome vid for content alone, that aside, the production is amazing!! Nice work!
Hagerty/Cammisa vids on point as always, thanks.
I love these. It's like Christmas when u see Jason's drag races
Think this is the best editing I've seen on a car video. Excellent and what an interesting mix of cars too. Thank you
How fricken EPIC is the camera work and editing on this???
Great work guys!
Amazing cinematic automotive history!👏🏻
Camissa has become my favourite car presenter! Excellent content. Always.
The way these are filmed is absolutely incredible.
Superb video, superb camera movment..!
But that audi 5 cylinder turbo with a manual and short gears does sound veeeeery good to me..
Now imagine if they used the S124 AMG e36. Now that would have been a mind blow!
He said next time in the end of the video. It's a rear beast, probably takes some time to catch one for the show😂
The e36 is not on par with the others...
The quality of this video is next level. The cars are beautys. What a master piece of a video
OMG! Finally, he holy trinity of cars! I've been wainting for this kinf of content ! Older cars are so much better! Thank you❤
That Rs2 deserved a better driver for sure... something is wrong with this test. The rs2 has a 0 to 90 time of average 12.5 sec. You got slower time. Near 2 sec in fact
Evo tested the RS2 and got 4.8 0-60 so either this car was down on power or they didn't launch it hard enough or maybe both. I can understand them not wanting to break the car but maybe include a side note mentioning what the car is really capable of.
@@Mikeeg0607 👍🏻
This is my favorite video. I’ve watched it three times, and got chills when the merc pulled away! 😂
Love it. I need more Jason and Randy
Great episode! Jason is legendary. I wish fast wagons were a thing in america still. Glad to see the RS6 avant came to the US but we need the RS4 Avant, the M3 Wagon and more!
Kinda sus when the RS2 is known to do the sprint in a tested 5.4 seconds or less.
Yeah more like 4.8. Maybe they sandbagged things. We know Jason is a Mercedes fan.
Another absolutely stellar video as always! Ive always wanted to put the dogleg 5 speed into a 500E. One of the last truely great built mercedes
As always, great video and production. I would love to see the outtakes of these, assuming they’re of watching value.
Camisa's drag races review is all about the small touches. That Audi driver crossing the line is just precious
Can't help but wonder if that RS2 has a boost leak. That's a 4.8 second 0-60 car and in good shape with the right launch will leave that 500E behind.
Also, please find a place to do rolling races as well. They add an entirely different dynamic.
factory claims was 0-100 5.6 so never less that 5 sec 0-60...but back 1994 I watched the tests and audi was fastests and merc slowest