What's the Deal With A = 440 Hz vs 432 Hz? Let's Talk!
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- This is by far the most frequent question I get asked so I finally decided to weigh in on it. I brought in 3 experts to weigh in as well. What are your thoughts?
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@@touchgrassbro9889 right about what exactly?
@@the-engneer staring at the sun gives positive energy. It comes from the universe. It is similar to meditation
finally a succinct youtube video actually covering the topic without 3 minutes of intro, five minutes of fluff, and 2 minutes of actual content. cheers mate
But he doesn’t actually cover it very well… lots of sarcasm and no real opinion or analysis of 432 and how it sounds to him! Pft
Wow, three experts featured in one video? Quality has really come a long way.
ZeroFunctional I felt I needed some other opinions. Haha! Only Dylan knew what I was talking about. He really is an expert because he can hear the difference.
Rick Beato Examples would have been good to hear the difference.
Sounding off with the Beato trio?
Very funny :D
Can he recognize chords in 432hz?
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This is the best video I’ve ever seen on A 432 versus A 440 comparison! I especially like the way that the experts weighed in right at the end. Brilliant Rick!
Ha.
Mr. Quail, are you out there? I'm a music theorist, and I've tried twice to relay a statement to you but each time, my very words were simplly, and somehow made to be gone. I"m trying make by wording more ambiguous in hopes of by-passing the you-know-what.
When I play Slayer I tune my piano to 666
the diabolical tuning of another dimension!
When I have sex I tune my "D" to 69
that is not a good idea unless you are using a toy piano. you should play slayer on two pianos, one for each hand and each foot and tune them to A 333 hz
Haha
Who plays Slayer on a piano?
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I like A432 Hz because its not standard ( its part of my Oppositional defiant disorder....) ;-)
whatever is pleasing to the ear..what did Eddie Van Halen tune to? i heard he wasnt that particular,,as long as the guitar was in tune with itself
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I absolutely love everything about how my guitar sounds and FEELS/RESPONDS; even through the amp, when tuned to my preferred Ab/Drop Db = 432Hz. However, considering nearly every piece of recorded music that i grew up listening to; and still do, was recorded using A = 440Hz(or some variation of it), so learning/jamming along with pre-recorded music or friends, is impractical. But my love of 432Hz has nothing to do with any mystical, cosmic, or devine theories. I can only say that when my guitar is tuned to Ab/Db = 432Hz, it just sounds, feels, and responds in a much more "relaxed" way. Not so tense/intense. If that makes any sense.
Ab means that E string is Eb? I think this is 415hz
I like half step flat alot on my classical because it's mellowed out and more rich sounding. I am also going to try A 432 and half step flat from there. I wonder if the strings will sound floppy. . .
@@micahmeneyerji you are just speculating on his behalf. singers strain voices singing lower notes in 440, than higher notes in 432.
432 is much more mathematically clean. 3 x 12 x 12 = 432. Generally, when I'm modding games, I like multiples of 12, because 12 is in common with both base 3 and base 2 and has crossovers with base 8. Idk, I just like base 12. It's a really nice number. In music, it probably doesn't matter. Most people don't even appreciate the instrumentation of a song, let alone are able to hear a 1.8% difference in pitch.
@@manictigerinteresting! Western music is divided into 12 notes.
So is time, clocks and calendars.
And we used to use the imperial measurement system 12inch = 1ft etc
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Spiritual so in the building
Glad to know you take advice from a guy who stares at the sun
couldn't help but laugh about resampling all of your audio collection!
I don't know about y'all, but I tune everything to 420hz :)
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What does that do for you?
@@missyhilary8905 gets you high 😎
Sexagesimal second have 6.000 years. To discuss the seconds and the measurement of time and space based on the rounded seconds for the Hertz, before, we need to understand the sexagesimais origins of the second. Each turn of the clock has 43,200 slices, or seconds. And the number 60 is not a random choice. 60 is the smallest number with the largest number of connections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30 and 60. We don't invent mathematics, we just discover the relationships between the quantities, and give them names. That's why I reaffirm that to understand the relationship between the number 432 and the sexagesimal mandala of 60, we need to understand its origins in mathematics, geometry and cosmology.
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432 is much better for meditation music and songwriting, I used to be sceptical but I have done a LOT of comparison and I don't think it's just a placebo and there could have been a conspiracy. I think Rick is being a bit glib with his dismissal here.
agree
Did you compare other frequencies besides 432. Or did you just test 440 vs 432?
I've listened to comparisons of the two (432 and 440), and for some reason the 432 does sound more calm and relaxing to me. I think it might just be because it's a slightly lower tone, thus sounds more mellow when set beside a 440 sample. Throughout school, I was a trumpet player, and we always tuned *A* to 440. We had a tuning machine that you would stand in front of and play an A, and it had little dials on it that would "freeze" when the note was just right - very much like the record player strobe light tuner on a turntable. In fact, it was the same color. But when put side by side, I do like the 432 better - again, I think, because it's just a slightly lower tone giving it a more "bass" sound.
I think it's because it's a natural set of frequencies when you can equally divide 12 from 432 (36). But when you do 440/12, it's an uneven calculation. I'd love to get my hands on an old flute that is actually tuned to 432. Some European orchestras actually do have recordings of Haydn & other classical symphonies on period instruments in 432 or 435 tuning.
@@rlopezflute I know there were so many thousand musicians who were trying to oppose a 440. I seem to remember middle C being tune to a 432 through the 80s. Then, it seem to me that C was changing into C sharp. Little by little by little, Noticed a 440 becoming more and more prevalent.
@@missyhilary8905 @Missy and Hilary Sisters it's weird, some orchestras here in the US even tune to 441. My piccolo & alto flutes are tuned to 442 because they were made in Germany & Japan, which tune their instruments higher. I have to pull the headjoints out more in ensemble, but not as much when I'm playing alone. I kind of prefer 442 to 440 because the airs comes out a little easier.
U are right! I feel the same 👍🏻
It's exactly that, sounds warmer because it is lower. If you'll compare A 432 with for example A 420 - then A 420 will be warmer... And we can go on like this. No magic here :)
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Rick, I love your videos and I was wondering if you could make a video explaining George Russell's lydian chromatic concept and its application in jazz composition. Thank you.
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432 is so much easier and natural for me to sing to , also 432 is very calming , I put it on before bed and during work commute traffic and within minutes I am calm relaxed and happy
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I love this. Great video, Rick!
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Dear sir, this standardization issue is a bit of a "red herring" in that it supposes that the frequency that A is mapped to is really important, but as you point out for centuries (perhaps millennia) to exactly map a master tuning frequency to 440 Hz would have been impossible without modern science. So how did they tune at all? For guitarists this an important point and leads us to the 6th, and the difference between natural tuning and equal temperament and Das wohltemperierte Klavier (The well-tempered Clavier) by Bach and the differences in the fractions that make up Natural tuning (for instance tuning a guitar or piano to an open chord such as G Major or E Major versus Standard tuning. When tuned to the single Major Chord, as one goes around the Circle of Fifths, the 6ths begin to detune due to the fractions used in relation to the key center. Meanwhile in Standard or Equal Temperament, the division between half-steps is constant, and thus as one goes around the Circle of Fifths (no matter what key one is in), the "out-of-tuneness" is spread across all semitones as opposed to being solely centered on the 6th. If I am not mistaken, this also is the source of differences in notation on enharmonic notes, and the use of sharps when ascending and flats when descending for historical purposes. And finally, it took the three strings of a harpsichord or piano to really center in on equal temperament. Electronically, due to the fact that sine waves produced by electricity do not have inherent overtone artifacts unless they are deliberately designed in, we can have any mapping we desire, but it won't sound "as real" until the proper odd and even harmonics are added. Just my two cents. Great video
Dude, that's like at least 3 cents.
A very succinct reply.
This would explain as to why my open chord tuned guitars sound better tuned to A332 vs Standard tuned; then I just stick to the 'norm'.
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I agree with Lennon. I moved to 432 Hz just because it seems a little richer in tone and seems to make slight intonation problems less noticeable. It's no big deal to me because all my gigs are solo. I keep a Strat tuned to 440 Hz, just in case you want to jam.
I heard years ago that 440a was made so we would be forced into a more discordant type vibration overall concerning the music. Just something I'd heard in past, kind of like fluoride and other things people claim were introduced to not help us. I'm sure others have heard the same thing. Rick I dig your videos, all of them! 🎸
We have the Rockefellers to thank for enforcing 440 Hz as standard. They also gave us the brutal American public school system and helped fund the rise of the Third Reich. Go figure.
Hitler did this in his country
I had never heard of 432 vs 440 until somebody I hardly knew randomly sent me a video addressing it a year ago. It was an interesting video. A little bit new agey but interesting enough that I decided to try it. Lo and behold when I started singing it did seem like some ethereal static that I had subconsciously always fought against had been removed!
Last month I did my first gig in a while and definitely asked the band to all tune at 432 Hz.
Of course my mind was occupied with all the details of doing a show so I really forgot completely all about the fact that we had tuned down at 432. No question for the whole night I was kind of marveling over the way my vocals sat so comfortably on top of the mix!? That doesn’t happen a lot. Also the instruments were never fighting against each other. Each instrument seemed to have comfortable space. And we were not too loud. We were not un-loud But we were not too loud. I could see people still able to converse with each other even though we were playing at a decent volume. It was a few days before it occurred to me that it might’ve had something to do with us performing at 432HZ. I know there’s lots of snarkiness and mockers and scoffers around this idea. Lol… And may be 440 is/was more appropriate for our beloved rock ‘n’ roll era that was aggressive and harsh from the get-go. But as for me I love playing and singing at 432. My two cents! Great CZcams channel Rick thank you!
Interesting post. I find that 440Hz- 442Hz makes the notes in the 12-TET scale sit rather high in resonance in the throat.. Move pitch down to 432Hz and most notes just seem to hover at my voices relaxed state.. And singing high in my upper middle register C4 to E4 becomes much more comftable.. In fact the passaggio E4 might be the most tricky note for my voice.. Move pitch down to 431Hz that E4 becomes so much easier to find the balance..
It sounds like your voice benefits from a lower tuning. But my guess is that it's not necessarily A=432. The same relaxation would probably come from tuning to A=434 or A=431. If it works for you though, go with it.
@@esterhammerfic
I tried with many tunings.. I tried A4=430Hz and I find it a little too low when I hit my lower chest register.. The sweet-spot for my voice is around 434Hz..
I like to approximate 432 on acoustic guitar for a few reasons, mainly string tension on "long scale"(25.5") instruments. Tuning down a full half-step seems just a bit too flat, 432 just seems warmer to my ears...
It's okay to be tone deaf
@@ThePhreakass Maybe what you call tone deaf is actually the better music but we've listened to 440 for so long we think it's vice versa. Just a thought, no use in acting like we have all the answers because the world would be perfect if we did. If you don't like 432 hz that's fine but there's no use in being evangelical about something we only know on the surface level.
haha I love the way you couldn't keep a straight face when mentioning chrystal healing energies and the frequencies of the universe woo woo :D :D :D
I tune everything to 1 then makes the strings 432 times shorter.
cuz oneness is the ultimate truth
I'm 4 years later, but i love this comment, lmao.
Just saw this - some 6 years later. Brilliant! What the people talking about a few cents either way don't seem to grasp is that music is not a single note, it is the resonance of harmonics. Shape of the room, even the moisture in the air can subtlety alter this. Let's tune the room, not the minutia! Go Rick!
440hz throws off our vibration and disconnects us from source. Hence why they made it the standard in 1932. Just another example of how everything in life today is backwards from how it was meant to be.
I like the Oldsmobile 442.
Coming soon "SOUNDING OFF with Dylan, Lennon and Layla" :)
That would be interesting.
Even if water reacts differently to 432 hz, tuning music down to that frequency will only effect water (or anything else) when that particular octave of A is played. Music changes chords, pitch, and tones constantly. Unless the entire song is just one long A note, it's not really going to realign your chakra or whatever.
We are 60% water
@@spacercake What about many types of protein in our body? What about DNA and RNA?
Good point. Not many songs out there that only use A . If a person wanted to try vibration or resonance therapy, maybe a difference, who knows?
@@spacercake I thought I was bugging🤣 the whole point is if it can do that to water it can do worse to us
In reference to your last words... you don't know that
I’ve found it a bit easier to sing when tuned 432.
You won't convince all the new age nuts with facts, man!
Tell me about it, but for some reason, I can't stop being triggered by the fruitcakes.
Pythagoras has NOTHING to do with New Age, idiots!
@ please go listen to some Pythagorean tuned music, and I don't mean the ambient music, I mean music with somewhat complex harmony, it sounds like utter crap, no music where the ratio of the major third is 81/64 will sound good
@ Pythagoras has nothing to do with 432hz
A432 is probably the most obnoxious conspiracy theory I know of; not because of the complete musical and historical ignorance displayed by its enthusiasts, but because virtually all examples of music "retuned" to the holy 432 frequency sound *HORRIBLE*. Whomever thought that downloading Goldwave and applying the shittiest time stretching algorithm to whatever music they had lying around--without even checking if the final result *is* tuned to A432--should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Really, if that crap is perfectly tuned to the "vibrations of the universe", then the universe needs to get its ears checked.
One thing that I wish I had time and resources to make is a little poll, asking people to choose between a pool of A440 and A432 recordings to choose their favourites--but with the catch that having *lots* of different tuning standards mixed in with those two. I have the hypothesis that people who believe the A432 myth will always choose the lower-sounding recording, regardless of what the value is, just because they're conditioned to believe that lower=better; whereas other people will have mixed preferences, perhaps influenced by the style of music in each recording (lower for slower and more peaceful music, higher for faster and more energetic music).
What are some songs/sounds tuned to A432 for example?
Comparing a choir (large ensemble of human voices) singing at 432Hz compared to 440Hz it is clear that 440Hz is too high and not natural for the majority of singers in the choir. The former European stadnard at 435Hz is not arbitary.. It was a comprimise between the push for higher tunings and the singers wanting it lower.. 435Hz was as high as they could go that proved to be good for the singers (good vocal health),, and you could still perform and cast voices for opera that were written for the lower tunings.
It seems that the placement of the passaggio in relation to the human voice is note arbitary.
If a large group of people sing a long to a track at 440Hz which does not have perfect pitch ,, If they continue for a while after the music stops they all drift south of 440Hz.. And would probably end up just north of A4=432Hz.. And some would probably be singing some notes a little flat or sharp due to the nature of the 100 cents tempered intevals of 12-TET:.
dansk björn the 8hz difference is so small that you have to he trained to even be able to sing it. It's as much "more exhausting" for the singers as it is for a violinist to play with a cloth over the chinrest that adds 5 grams to the weight of the violin.
You may be correct, dansk, but that has *NOTHING TO DO* with the topic at hand. It's pretty rude to talk as if you're giving continuity to the original topic when you are, in fact, completely derailing it.
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sorry the last answer was not ment to go on the common thread.. but I am not Sure I am derailing the thread.
The 19th-Century composer Giuseppe Verdi reportedly liked 432-Hz tuning because his opera singers’ voices lasted a lot longer. Nothing mystical about that. 1/3 of 1/2 of a step lower than 440 Hz seems barely noticeable to the average ear, but I guess that somebody who pushes their vocal ability to its limits for a good length of time would consider it a gift. 👂🏼🎹
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A 432 for me. Not for spiritual reasons, but I do believe that it is the most natural of the three frequencies mentioned. I have perfect pitch, and I do notice that birds seem to sing in a 432. Humans naturally speak and a 432.
Wow! Way cool and wow :)
This whole discussion doesn't make sense at all. The main argument 432 Hz believers use is that this frequency resonates with... well, they mention different things, but basically it comes down resonating with a certain thing and 440 Hz doesn't. You see? That's all they got.
So nice. So now we play a tune in C# major that has no alterations in it at all, but with our instruments nicely tuned using A=432 Hz. However, in C# major, there won't be an A in the tune. No 440 Hz A, but no 432 Hz A either. It won't resonate with the universe, nor with the Egyptian pyramids, nor with with any of the other things brought up. Even if they play a piece in A, will they only play A's? Wow, that would make interesting music, wouldn't it?
And, what kind of tuning will they use to make it resonate with the green aliens living on Mars?
Did I mention the nazis? Didn't they dictate A to be 440 Hz, so they could control the people's minds? Yes, there are people who claim this. Godwin's law is always lurking around the corner to fabricate a point, whenever there are no valid arguments.
This whole 432 Hz thing is just sheer nonsense, made up by people who think they'll intellectually stand out by disagreeing with the majority. In fact, it only makes them look stupid.
If you play in C#-major with A4=432Hz using 12-TET you are actually playing the indian chant wovel OM at C#=136.1Hz. So eventhough playing in C#-major and not A of akey that utilize A4=432Hz you are still very much closer to a relaxed natural resonance of the human voice.
I found 432hz more enjoyable i can actually Feel the difference, i Feel kinda Bad when Rick mocks about chakras and spiritual energy But hey ,this channel is about music so i can understand why he is making fun. It doesnt really matters
By the way how does Dylan react to microtonal music? And also it would be interesting to hear your opinion on microtonal music composers, thanks!
killavenger he has said that he hears a kind of mixture of two tones, meaning A and A# simultaneously when hearing a sharper A, each note getting more noticeable the closer to the actual pitch they hold they are.
Explanation is very simple. They are just making money. On almost every website discussing how 432 Hz is better you will find CDs for sale (at least this is how it was 10 years ago when all that nonsense started).
That's the explanation for new age bullshit in general btw.
It's pretty much the same with other conspiracy based websites : they often have books or/and DVDs to sell !
It's all about making bucks
what conspiracy theories are you talking about? no one is talking about conspiracy theories here yet you, a bunch of lazy wankers, are doing just that! You are the ones who are crazy not those who discover the truth about the world we live in :) Let me repeat this :) YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CRAZY :) Deal with that :)
A=435hz will always be my favourite. It all comes alive
There's also a ton of 70s songs that seem to be tuned to A=whatever the Bass player says it is, and it winds up between A=420 and A=448. Then you also have that huge collection of rock bands that use an Eb tuning, which I'm pretty sure is A=415.30. It might not matter though since you could still play a note at 440hz. And the guys who care about this really only care about being pedantic about frequencies.
If you want to get really weird you can look into all of those metal bans that tune to C standard. That would be A=261.63. That has to be better frequencies.
Also whatever the hell AC/DC spent that part of their career tuning to.
Fitz, I love your first notion of A=whatever the bass player says it is.
However, after that you seem to mix up the concept of transposing instruments, alternate tunings and reference pitches. Miles would read and call the base note on his trumpet a C, which actually sounds Bb in concert pitch (transposing instruments). SRV tuned to Eb, but would not call that E - alternate tuning.
Notes A3=216Hz (-31.77 cents) and G#3=204Hz (-30.7 cents),, just lay completely natural to my voice.. The ~ 30 cents lift from ~432Hz to 440Hz for A4 is not natural for my voice... MY voice relaxed resonance is around the tuning of A4 at 432Hz.. Singing high notes comes very natural when the guitar is tunes at 432Hz vs 440Hz.. The passaggio is shifted too high at 440Hz
Infact the highest pitch for my voice if I lay of a lot of weight (early transition) is ~438Hz (~8 cents). A4=440Hz is very difficult to find the balance in the throat.. In my world 440Hz excludes a lot of voices in music.. The previous european pitch at 435Hz is a better comprimise between a high (445Hz) and low pitch (425Hz).
A4=424-425Hz would be close to Mozats and Händels pitch as they used a forks at A4=421.6 and 422.5Hz but they were probably using a more "pure" tuning system like meantone or just intonation which was much more common which sets the A (major six. or La) note flatter relative to 12-TET in the C major scale. I think it was a piano tuning company from late 1800s that had their pianos tuned in Meantone at 433.5Hz for A4 and with 12-TET is was A4=436Hz. A difference of ~10 cents.
A tenor hitting the high notes to Händels halleluja to a piano tuned to 425Hz would be easy, nice and full.. At modern A4=442-443Hz which many like to tune their classical instruments at .. The tenor sounds bad... It is only the spinto tenors (very few individuals) that would sing the high part with ease...
We got it all wrong,, The previous pitch at 435Hz is as high the note of A4 should have gone to get the right classical division of fachs..
This is a fact...440Hz is a very "unnatural" singing pitch if I may use that word.
dansk björn 440 is unnatural to your body, and it is to mine as well - but my body is more comfortable around 450. The tiny bit of extra sharpness really helps me maintain consitant intonation. Conversely, I have an old bass trumpet that doesn't tune any higher than 430 - and I prefer to play it around 425. Every body and every instrument is different, and you gotta do what works best for you and for your equipment!
424-425/449-450hz as a nice spot i completely can relate to. it is another nice area together with the 432/457hz area. what is your vocal fach when singing..
the weirdest pitch area for my voice is 439-445hz. not low enough and not high enough
I have a theory on these 2 tuning systems. I think if our tuning system had been in 432, the world would be a better place... it's a fascinating "what-if" thought that i often have, although it's impossible. It's still fun to hear comparisons. There's something different about 432 tuning that draws you in. And this is coming from someone who has perfect pitch in 440. It's taken a while to get used to 432.
One day has 86400 seconds... 432/864...
That´s in line / sync with everything - the whole cosmos.
That is why sensitive people feel that. But in our dumbed down society it´s all just nuts...
Mankind is ignorant like...
@@vectragt2310oh wow, I didn't know about the seconds of rhe day. I do know that 432/12 = 36, but what is interesting is 440/12 =36.666 🧐 No wonder so many musicians have anxiety &/or are depressed! And that includes myself. If we're constantly exposed to unequal frequencies, it's doing something to us physically & emotionally. I wish more research was done on this.
@@rlopezflute
432/8 = physical
432/9 = spiritual / Ether side
And yes, 440 was put in place on purpose...
Also, no further investigation needs to be done if people learn to follow their intuiton and heart/earth.
@@vectragt2310 One day has 85.984,091 seconds, we just rounded it down to 24 hours. Also, a day is not the same in the whole cosmos, only our Earth day is roughly 24 hours. Stop trying to be smart as if 432Hz is in tune with the universe or something, it isn't even in tune by your own standards.
@@RoderickVoordouw
Well, then I made an incorrect statement.
In line with earth and its frequency, as we ARE ON EARTH. And with 440 you are out of sync and it is not coincidence this became western standard.
There won´t be a direct effect from listening to 432, but over time when it would be all over the radio, etc. DNA and concioussness would change. As you surely know DNA is dynamic.
So stop trying to tell bs...
Cycles per second weren't specifically measured until the year 1834 when the Savart Wheel and the Tonometer where invented, but because the metric system came out in 1795, music was accurate; even more so, relatively, than most people today with tuners. They knew, then, the note range for any given length of tube for a horn or a pipe organ to get different notes for transposition. The earliest development known for the metric system is from John Wilkins.
In 1668, he proposed a coordinated system of units of measure for length, area, volume, and mass. This means that people knew what they were tuning and building their instruments to for more than half of the Baroque Era and all of the Classical Era. Things are generally accepted before they become standardized, but even if instrument makers didn't know the Hertz value, the metric system is defined as being derived from nature.
So, like I've explained, instrument makers, then, knew the acoustical output of instruments based on the shapes and sizes of natural objects through simple observation. They might not have had tuners, but Europeans knew how to trace and compare lengths precisely since before they came out of caves. Perception is rooted in nature and the observation of it consciously.
This is why your son sang a 33 and a third cent wide quarter tone. Let me explain; he had to hear when one note range started and the other one ended. 448 Hz tuning actually sounds 1/3 of a note flat, 440 Hz sounds 1/3 of a note sharp, and 432 Hz, being 40 octaves lower than the calibration of primary and secondary visual colors within a 12 tone system, sound balanced.
Stay with me, now. He sang the note up past 448 Hz tuning and touched 456 Hz tuning (the next note up from 432 Hz) and in doing so, he then brought it down to where the note would sound so flat that it couldn't be confused with being the same note compare to the commercial standard of tuning. Take a look at this repeating pattern rooted in the conscious awareness of the complete range of any "A" (Orange) that is 40 octaves lower than the THz range of the visible colors Red through Yellow:
•flat = 400 Hz = Ab = Raspberry-Red
+8 Hz
•in-tune = 408 Hz = Ab = Red
+8 Hz
•sharp = 416 Hz =Ab = Orange-Red
+ 8 Hz
•flat = 424 Hz = A = Red-Orange
+8 Hz
•in-tune = 432 Hz = A = Orange
+8 Hz
•sharp = 440 Hz = A = Yellow-Orange
+8 Hz
•flat = 448 Hz = A# = Orange-Yellow
+8 Hz
•in-tune = 456 Hz = A# = Yellow
+8 Hz
•sharp = 464 Hz = A# = Lime-Yellow
We are dealing with microtones, here, but compared to the World War tuning, in-tune is flat; flat is sharp (as the next note down); and, (as sharp as any note can be before it is in the next range of color) is in-tune.
Understanding this will have you realize that 440 Hz came about to make music sound sharp. It is better to sound sharp than out of tune, but that is just 440 Hz, not 442 Hz or 445 Hz.
I hope that this explains some of the weird theories that claim that 432 Hz can expand your awareness. It sure could help you to understand and develop perfect pitch. Thank you for taking the time to read all of this.
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The difference of 440Hz to 432Hz is 1.8 percent. If you play a cheap acoustiv guitar for some time, you will start at 440Hz and end at 432Hz. The BIG benefit of the cheap guitar: you get all cosmic tunes between 440Hz and 432Hz. Doing this, you may find the secret frequency of the universe!
since music frequencies are logarithmic you cannot compare them in prtcentage which is linear, for A4 at 432 vs 440 it is approximately 1/3 of a half tone, that 1/3 of a half tone increases in percentage as go move to higher frequencies 😊
I learned absolutely nothing from this video.
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Because you already knew it was nothing to do with mind control, natural resonance etc?
Cause you don't live on this planet perhaps
Wasn't anything to learn. People turn every little thing into a conspiracy theory, which actually distracts you from the real problems in life
How can we disagree with an authority of Dylan's calibre!
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I've just stumbled upon something truley interesting. People believed that 432hz was resonant with 8hz (which was considered the harmonic resonance of the earth) ... until.. we developed fine instruments to determin it was really 7.83 which would make the A frequency 430.65. I didn't care to much about all the nonsense until i actually listened to a piece of music in 430.65 and it actually created this unusual humming sensation in my body. The closest thing i can descride it as, is the feeling i would get if i smoked a hit off of a joint. Not to get too hippy-like but it really felt like love was pumping through my body. But when i went back to 440hz music, it seemed to slightly intensify a slight headache i had from earlier in the day. Weird stuff.
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I like your videos (even though they often go over my head and make me cry like an infant at my own ineptitude, leaving me wanting to: 432 part quit to 440 part get on my instrument).
This was so informative and cheeky at the same time. It made a potentially dry subject fun to watch. This has been my favorite so far!
Black Hole Sun is A455 and it turned out pretty well. People seem to like it.
When i first learned to play guitar, i spent alot of time at the city park, hangin' out with my Yamaha acoustic guitar, a couple doobies, and a pick. Nobody had a tuner, so we went with the player who's guitar sounded the best. I guess you could say that we were tuned to 420.
Thanks for the laugh! I’m sure a 420 was actually fun!
I have a thousand dollar bill that says if the 432 nutz did their test using 440 and 448 they'd swear up and down that 448 sound "brighter and thinner" and 440 sound "warmer and mellower."
A=440Hz works PERFECTLY for me.
Western music in equal temperament uses 12 different frequencies, only one of which is a multiple of the frequency of A : the A itself.
A piece in Eb major tuned at 432Hz will contain no A at all, so no instance of a note vibrating at that 432Hz frequency.
This should be enough to debunk the 432 Hz bullshit.
I would add that the lovely people who insist on A=432, have no problem with the unnatural abomination that is equal temperament.
This discussion pops up a lot!The long list of pseudocience/spirituality stuff you reeled off makes me laugh for sure haha. It's clear there can't be a superior system in regards to anything like that, because resonances of physical bodies will never be consistent. Also, any significance of the number 432 is entirely arbitrary like you explained. Besides, that's just one single frequency of one single note whilst music contains the full spectrum!When people push such reasons in support of 432, they tend to show a fundamental misunderstanding of how sound works - throwing around words like resonance, harmonics, overtones, without realising that all these things remain consistent, just slightly lower. Their points could be used to argue for tuning systems like Just Intonation vs 12EDO, but 12EDO vs 12EDO slightly lower is really irrelevant. Tune to whatever :) As a rule of thumb lower will sound a bit calmer for sure. I liked Jacob Colliers modulation from 440 to 432 as it displays that effect very well.
Very good thank you !! I learned a bit about this subject playing with a french accordianist that had an old accordian instrument tuned in this way, A =435; You surely put more light on the subject with a few things i didn't know. Thank you Rick for the cool vids!!
Ancient civilizations tuned to what they liked, so even before seconds, 432 could have been preferred -
it was standard for Verdi and shamanic/healing instruments use 432 too!
If this video was any snarkier it would be distractingly clipped to my guitar headstock.
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All the 432 arguments are either anecdotal or mathematic and quasi mystical. They aren’t musicoLOGICal.
i was never convinced the 432 Hz was some miracle frequency so i thoroughly enjoyed this video - having said that, i still think the issue of energetic frequency in music is a profound subject - i would argue that the only so-called 'frequency' that truly matters would have to do with the unique character of the music itself
Before i discovered that there was a literal debate over this i first noticed when listening to some heavy metal/rock records that they sounded off when i tried to jam along to them and figured it must be like a 'quarter step down' using my ear and ended up with 430hz and have had my floyd rose set up in this particular tuning for a few years now. it sucks having to detune every single (almost) song i wanna jam to haha but you will find that lots of mechanical/electronic/harmonic tones you will hear in your day to day life will resonate with this tuning! i think that must be where the whole 'freq of the universe' stuff came from...
the earth's frequency is supposedly 8 hz, and 432 is divisible by 8 54 times. 5+4 = 9, and 9 +11 = NINE ELEVEN
Hahaha the kids put everything in order.
I'm glad i didn't miss this one.
thank You Rick.
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After all I've read and heard about this issue, I agree with Rick, if tuning to 432 rocks your boat, do it. But IMHO, it what people play and their sound that takes great precedence over just it's pitch, when listening. Their choice of notes, as well as the relationship to each other, no matter what the pitch one's tuned to, is a greater factor in whether I feel the music is transcendent, calming, healing, or jarring, agitated, even violent. Playing crappy music can't be overcome simply by tuning to 432. And listening to music is so very subjective anyway, takes me back to saying just do what sounds best to you...
I think all of this goes out the window once you start dealing with vocals. A persons vocal range is determined by the shape of their body. When I decide to do a cover song I do it in what ever key works for my voice. So it really doesn't matter what my guitar is tuned to.
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I think I have a negative effect to 440. Life somebody"ruffling my feathers".You made much more clear as to get people to understand these concepts. Physics was one of my favorite subjects in highschool but still how does this translate to practice, real life,how can I choose to tune my guitar to 432Hz?
I like singing in A432 for the same reason I like tuning to Eb. It's easier to hit high notes. But it's a hassle tuning back and forth when I play with other people, recordings or CZcams so I just play in A440 99.9% of the time.
My thoughts; no matter what science and history says about it, if you can hear and appreciate the difference, it makes a difference!
Love the nerdy factor of this topic...and two thumbs up for the experts opinions 👍
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I tried out the 432hz tuning on my guitar, and well at first I noticed a difference, once my ear became use to it, it started sounding normal. then tuning back with 440hz it sounded out, but soon after it sounded normal. it was a little like playing a song using flats, it sounds weird at first, but also somewhat more mellow and relaxing, but depending on the notes, it can also sound silent hill creepyish.
Thats because it doesn't matter what frequency you start A as. In 12 tone equal temperament tuning, its all whole ratios anyways.
We have A=440 today because of a centuries long loudness war. The higher A (with the same music piece) the louder/brighter it sounds, the lower the A the warmer, softer it sounds. Louder == Better. A has been anywhere between 380hz and 500hz depending on the era, composer, instrument, people, etc. We have old tuning forks for pretty much everything in between too. 440 was just chosen because its good enough, 'loud' but still manageable by traditional string instruments without breaking stuff.
The war continued when compression was invented. . .
432 is the best!! Stephen Dawson does Katie Perry’s teenage dream in 432 and it takes it to the next level
It’s all about the harmonies and ratios of one pitch compared to another. 😁👍
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A4=435Hz decided by 7 composers and 2 physicians in France in 1859 and again established as the pitch standard in Vienna in 1885 is in my humble opinion the proper compromise for A4 with 12-TET. All the dramatic operatic pieces by Verdi and Puccini etc. sound better at A4=432-435Hz. 435Hz is the highest tuning for A4 before the dramatic voices have to thin out to much at the second passaggio. A4=440Hz (12-TET) It is too far removed from the voices natural relaxed speech resonance. At A4=432Hz most notes for the majority of people sounds like relaxed speech resonance..
I listen to 440Hz vs 432Hz and try to feel where I perceive the notes are sitting. At 440Hz it all very direct and the sound does not resonate in the chest.. With 432Hz music i get calm and the musical notes seem to hover in the lower part of the chest.
You can't perceive this with an analytical mindset. You have to let go and just "feel" the music.
Music performed at 440Hz is beautiful and great but the same piece performed at 432Hz can have dramatic effects.. There is literally a piece of music when performed at 432Hz made me weep instantly.. I listen to that piece before and after in stock 440Hz tuning and it did not have the same effect.. I think we are missing an importannt ingridient by having all music performed in keys locked into A4=440Hz (12-TET).
Some times other pitches for A can be used and in some instances other tuning sysmtes like 1/4 comma meantone, Just intonation can be used instead, if the instruments and musician can do it..
You are totally right with your you have to shut down the analytical mindset for it. I play guitar now for arround 4,5 years selfteached and at arround 1 or maybe 1,5 years in i came over this 432 Hz discussion. To me it sounded interesting so i gave it a try. The first thing that i realized is that my guitar and most important the body and neck vibrated compared to 440 way more. On the start i needed to get used to the tuning but this just took the first day, pieces in minor for example just sounded way more dramatic too.
Unitl now i decided to stay in this tuning cause it feels okay and natural to me plus i can find the notes i hear in the head more easy. I went back and forth gave 440 another try for some days but it always took me back to 432, even a halfstep down from there arround 407,8~ Hz with a drop D "Drop Dflat in this case". I enjoy listen to meditation music and the open C# was quite another experience, even if a guitar isnt made for this specific tuning cause its too slobby with the stringtension.
I would never say this tuning is wrong or this is better, i still listen to musicians in 440 hz and even play and learn with friends in this tuning but for the solo music i would always chose to go back to 432 with high tension strings this works great. Im not a singer but if i just speak with my normal voice the guitars that hang on the wall keep resonating really frequently, so i bet singing in this tuning could be more easy.
Theres no right and wrong, everyone just should be open same with the old and forgotten Temperaments. Thats the core and root of music, cause music is about emotions and feelings, what a meantone Temperament can present in a more lets say authentic way.