This is one of the most comprehensive and logical analysis of the JBR murder that I have seen. You asked some of the same questions I have for example, why would loving parents who are covering up an accident do so by strangling their daughter?
Thanks so much Becky. After getting crucified the last couple days on reddit its nice to have some support. Plus they didn't actually watch video but saw what I thought and dismissed me like a cult. There's def some small pieces of evidence etc I didn't know all details etc, but your right. Its one thing if they accidentally hit her in the head or if they strangled her. But to do both whether dead or alive is super super sick. On Christmas out of all days? And they lost their oldest daughter already. She already was bedwetting for years. Kill her on Christmas? They were soo tired I bet. No way they would even wake up until 530. Its so sad everyone thinks they are guilty. They could be but at least people should have an open mind and they don't in this case for some reason.
@@wallasw0rks Its more normal then most would think "About 1 in 10 children in the United States have nocturnal enuresis. It happens more often among younger children - about 30% of children ages 7 and under and about 5% of 10-year-old children. For teenagers, an estimated 1% to 2% of U.S. 15-year-olds have nocturnal enuresis. About 2% to 3% of adults over 18 have primary nocturnal enuresis." my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15075-bedwetting
And people handle stress differently. Burke could not have done this, the male DNA didn't match anyone in the family. He wouldn't have known how to make a gurrat I don't think.
The Rosetta Stone of the case is the “ransom” note, which, as the FBI pointed out to Boulder PD and the DA in the initial stages of the investigation, was never a real ransom note. There was never a ransom, there was never a kidnapping, there was just a dead girl in the basement of her own home. So what was the purpose of the note? The note’s purpose seems to be a frantic attempt to misdirect/divert the authorities away from what actually happened by creating an unknown, mysterious “they” (in this case, a “small foreign faction,” which is even more laughable when you read the words out loud) who were responsible for this crime and were “out there somewhere.” The existence of the note tells you everything you need to know about what most likely happened to Jonbenet because the note could serve no other realistic purpose. The reality is that in the middle of the night there was some serious trauma in the Ramsey family and, over the course of several hours, decisions were made and those decisions have been followed through on. John Ramsey gathering the $118k, or urging the governor of Colorado to expand DNA testing, etc. all serve the same purpose as the note: misdirection/diversion. The DNA will never lead to an arrest because the DNA more than likely has nothing to do with the crime. No ransom, no kidnapping, no semen, no child’s body dumped in the woods and found later…just a self-contained crime within the home and within the family.
I agree its strange but why would they go through the long note and staging scene, but not follow through with most important part of leading police estray completely. By fooling them into thinking it was an intruder by screaming about the broken window downstairs or another open door. Or even made something look like breaking and entering upstairs. Instead they basically said nothing all day and milled around long enough for the police to implicate them for the rest of history. It wasn't until Lou Smit brought up the idea of an intruder almost a year later that people might have thought otherwise and too little too late. His company were salesmen. They sold a billion dollars of computer equipment that year. Sales is not milling around but being fast and smart and a CEO of sales would know there's a process of finishing a sale, no going halfway thru and not giving the pitch. But anyway, anything is possible in this bizarre case.
@@Ramblingroads So, mysterious intruders were clever enough to enter a family’s home without being detected or seen by anyone (either inside or outside), clever enough to abduct a six year old girl with her whole family home without being detected (while using a stun gun, no less, which, just like the phrase “small foreign faction,” is even more laughable when you say it out loud),clever enough to bash her on the head with incredible force (which must have made a serious noise) without being detected, clever enough to then take the time to use materials already present in the house to fashion a garrote and strangle said girl (which the coroner said could have been up to two hours after she was hit on the head) and then clever enough to exit the house without being seen or heard by anyone…but not clever enough to not leave a nonsensical, multi-page ransom note for a non-existent kidnapping with a very specific ransom amount that they made no effort to collect? All of this while risking leaving fingerprints or other evidence, all within the home, all without being detected? Do you understand how many major leaps of logic or disregard for human/criminal nature have to be reached to even entertain these ideas? Again, they decided to leave a non-sensical multi-page page note for a ransom they never intended to collect for a girl that they had already bashed in the head and strangled within her own home? It’s forcing so many square pegs into so many round holes, at what point do we stop trying to do that and just follow where things actually go? The “ransom” note’s purpose is an attempt, albeit a clumsy one, to make a murder look like something else. The “ransom” note itself is an attempt by a wealthy person who knows nothing about crime to write something that they think would resemble the ransom notes they had seen on film and television. The actual wording of the indictments handed down by the Grand Jury against John and Patsy are very telling. The evidence and testimony they used to arrive at those indictments are still sealed, but I imagine they heard testimony from close family friends, and others, that, combined with the physical evidence and empirical facts, made what those indictments allege far more likely than any other scenario, including an unknown intruder. The known facts lead to the following most likely conclusion: there was no ransom, there was no kidnapping or attempt at a kidnapping, there was no stun gun, there was no mysterious, unnamed intruder. The DNA will NEVER result in a hit that has anything to do with the actual crime, because it is more than likely unrelated to the actual crime. Again, there was some serious trauma in the Ramsey family during that night. As a result of said trauma, decisions and commitments were made and stuck with. To add to that, we have a family with enormous amounts of money. If this were some other family, while still bizarre, the case would have been resolved a long time ago, but wealth is the reason Bill Cosby (probably one of the most prolific serial rapists in history) is not in jail right now, and also the reason OJ Simpson did not serve jail time for butchering two people-notice that OJ served jail time for armed robbery years later, what was the difference? He didn’t have any real money at that point! (And yes, I know, his voice was recorded during the robbery, but Cosby admitted in sworn civil depositions that he drugged young girls to have sex with them, so here we are). The cops didn’t implicate the Ramsey family, the facts did and do.
@@scottmacdonald6096yes to all of this and it’s why I was stunned that Spector was prosecuted and also found guilty. He was clearly guilty of the murder but he had millions and an LA jury so the odds were against conviction. Money usually but not always perverts the course of justice. Also, note on this topic - there is no criminal enterprise or entity in the whole world of non-fiction that would call themselves “small” let alone “foreign”… laughable if not so tragic.
THIS. 100% THIS. I said the same in my comment. I said "there's obviously something wrong in that family if the house is that gross..." in a family so "obsessed with apperances" WTH would patty (mom...psycho mom if you ask me based on how she had always come across) let all these ppl in their house and have no worries about how nasty it was?
Thought the same thing, Patsy was a messy woman, probably never did anything around the house, she needed more then one housekeeper with that mess, and consider John was never around, that was Patsy's mess and the kids.
I remember in one of the books I read that , Patsy's mother used to fuss at her that the housekeeper is there to clean and can't if she's constantly having to pick up.
And the body covered with a blanket is an indication that a loved one committed the murder. And the note on the stairs that the family used the most is another indication that it was someone familiar with the house and the family
@lisakaye3919 John makes a statement and says I thought we were dealing with a kid napping . Intruder don't and come in and asking 118000 dollars kill the child and don't collect the money then go write ransom note and then stick around for awhile and wait for John and patsy to get up and then leave
@user-vb8yf8be3l autopsy proves they killed there daughter before 552 John and patsy picked up the note and it says at this we have your daughter at 552 in the moring no she was already dead before the note was written. Because if she wasn't she would not be in the basement
@user-vb8yf8be3l I don't care how anyone looks at it in the next five hundred years there's no proof of any intruder we know there ransom note killer but there is a author to the note 1000% patsy and John's hand writing for sure
The simplest and most likely scenario is that someone in the family did it, and it was then covered up. The ransom note came from a pen & note pad in the house. Patsy studied dramatic dialogue in college and was obsessed with image. The ransom note is full of dramatic dialogue, to say the least. It may not seem logical to a normal person to go to such extreme lengths to cover up a crime/accident, but that's because most people aren't obsessed with image and appearances.
TheRufe47, The ransom note is the most important piece of evidence. I won't add links to the writing analysis here, but there are many and easy to find. I am no writing expert, but I don't think you need to be one to see the similarity between the ransom note, and Patsy's known writing. I am 100% convinced she is the author of the ransom LETTER. I capitalized Letter, to emphasize the length of it. This murder was an inside job. Parents lose control of their tempers all the time. They hit their kids out of frustration and anger all the time. Patsy caused JonBen'et's initial injuries. I believe Patsy thought she killed JonBen'et, and that is when the coverup began. Exactly when John got involved, I am not 100% sure. The autopsy shows that the rope was the murder weapon, but I think Patsy thought her daughter was already dead. Whether she staged the garrote, or it was her and John, I don't know. I think JonBen'et wetting the bed that night was the catalyst of this tragedy. Either way, the killer is dead, and I don't think it would serve anyone to have John in prison. I believe prepubescent beauty pageants have no place in our society. They invite trouble. If John was directly involved he has to live with it and will be judged by his creator soon enough.
I believe all of the Ramseys had a part to play in JBR's murder. It's kinda like Agatha Christie's novel, where everyone was involved in the killing. First, it was Burke who was playing with his train set in the train room, something happened and Burke attacked JBR (like how he had hit JBR with a golf club the year prior). He had knocked her out and then tried to use his electric train track to shock her to see if she would wake up several times and then panicked and went up to his room and tried to sleep it off. Then, John went down to the basement to check on whether Burke was still there, he saw JBR lying on the floor near the wine cellar (where there were visible brownish-red stains on the camera footage). He did not immediately speculate that it was Burke, more so that JBR might have passed out from falling or something else. Then it was Patsy, whom John needed to inform. John went to inform Patsy who was rushing to pack for their early morning trip the next day. As John and Patsy saw JBR's body, they were speculating: 1) To call an ambulance (hence on the 911 call, Patsy murmured the words, "Hi, we need an ambu.." Those were the first few words she said if you carefully heard) But that would wake the neighbours up on Christmas/the 26th and you know how MUCH the Ramseys cared about their image! 2) Since the Ramseys couldn't get JBR to wake up, they (John especially wanted to hide the evidence of "sexual assault" on JBR). He had cut out a piece of JBR's genitals (to remove any trace of his DNA) in the basement's bathroom (therefore the "bloody bathroom" interrogations with the investigators. While Patsy was writing the ransom note with her left hand, with her pen, with her notepad, with her probable finger print of her holding up the ransom note to read it and took as much time as John took to cover up. Hence 3 pages, 2 drafts. Patsy also took a set of JBR's pyjamas, therefore there were red fibres from her clothes that she had worn to the Whites & the Christmas garland on the stairs on it, to change JBR's clothes to make it seem as if JBR was taken from her bed that night! The next morning, you could hear from the phone call when Patsy didn't hang up the phone, "What did you do?" ..& a smaller voice responds "What did you find?".
John was the one who "murdered" JBR by finally strangulating her, when she was already brain dead. + The unknown male's DNA, was from a factory worker who packed the underwear from another country! No doubt, there WAS NO INTRUDER!
There's one big thing I didn't mention. Why would they go through the long note and staging scene etc, but not follow through with most important part of leading police estray. By fooling them into thinking it was an intruder by screaming about the broken window downstairs or another open door. Or even made something look like breaking and entering upstairs. Instead they basically said nothing all day and milled around long enough for the police to implicate them for the rest of history. It wasn't until Lou Smit brought up the idea of an intruder almost a year later that people might have thought otherwise and too little too late. His company were salesmen. They sold a billion dollars of computer equipment that year. Sales is not milling around but being fast and smart and a CEO of sales would know there's a process of finishing a sale, no going halfway thru and not giving the pitch.
It wasn't a note. It was a LETTER..LOL..It has Patsy written all over it. Look no further than her. She thought she killed her daughter, so she killed her daughter to cover it up. Not exactly sure when John got involved, but he knows the truth...
They wrote the note before she came home. They thought it would be easy to do, but in history almost all kidnapped people end up getting killed early on. I just put out a video on this subject today. Almost all kidnappings are weird and don't go well. czcams.com/video/Ymc1akFdvVM/video.html
@@rodscrivner7132 She couldn't even walk for a week let alone write a detailed note talking about killing her daughter and the writing isn't the same as hers anyway. Someone's prank fooled everyone.
@@Ramblingroads If you say so..This video is full of what is called "subjective truth". The rest of it is nothing more than what my professor used to call, "facts not in evidence." Since the perp is dead, and it's too late in the game for John to come clean there will be no conclusion(closure) to this tragedy. If you want to believe there is some unknown perp out there keeping a secret be my guest. By the way, your continuous use of the word "like", is a bad habit to get into. It makes this video annoying to listen to..
Yes, the beauty pageant aspect on this case has made media companies a lot of money over the years at the expense of actually finding out what happened.
The Ramseys claimed to never have time for movies, yet their basement/playroom area was filled with movie posters. The Ramsey case has always mesmerized, frustrated, and aggravated me....Its a case where "too much evidence" is a bad thing, along with a contaminated crime scene. What I feel the "fork in the road" in theories/beliefs boils down to one main question. That question for me is, "Do you feel Patsy wrote the ransom note?" I've watched hours of documentaries, read tons on the case, and as much as I want to believe an intruder did it, I cant wholeheartedly believe that. I do not feel Patsy and John are/were murderers, but I do believe to protect their son and uppercrust reputations, I do feel Patsy wrote the note. The same year as the death of JB, they sent out Christmas cards that used the word "hence," just like in the note; The bonus/ransom request amount was oddly specific and similar, the maternal/feminine slant to the tone of things mentioned in the letter, the rough drafts of the letter, the mentioning of an attache, as Patsy loved words with diacritics (hence! JB name) -the mentioning of a "foreign faction" - a foreigner would never refer to themselves as foreign or a foreigner; aside from these red flags, the jealousy and aggressive behavior by Burke was a tad more violent than the average brother/sister relationship. He hit JB in the face with a golf club once; there was also the situation of him smearing feces in JB's bedroom, on some of her possessions, etc; And the biggest indicator to me, of an inside job......WHY WAS THE BODY NOT TAKEN? Why wouldnt a kidnapper still try to collect the money...regardless of whether she's alive or not....As for Burke, I do feel it was a tragic accident, with parents who were shocked and went into protection mode; I think Burke was a troubled boy with alot of hostility and anger issues; So when I look at things in totality, all arrows seem to point right back to the parents covering up an accident as a murder.
No doubt super complex and frustrating case. The JFC of true crime. Remember there is a huge bias against the parents which is part of why I leaned the other way. The police and almost everyone think they are guilty so that makes a large bias in their case. I'm sure about 90 percent of the trail will lead anyone to the family because that's where they want everyone to go. A few points I didn't mention in video but will later. If they wrote the ransom note, why not follow thru? Like why make a point to stage a scene and write a long note but not move police in direction of intruder theory. They did mention some things about the broken window etc hours later and months later Lou Smit really pushed the idea but if they were trying to push an intruder they would within the first hour yell or say "omg, that broken window downstairs and suitcase etc." Why wait hour and days for police to make the decision to find you guilty when you could yell about the window or even the butler door etc. Patsy was a huge mess for days and couldn't even walk. The note is weird and feminine which is weird, but if she did it it was as if nothing big happened. She would have to be a complete psycho to do that. When the maid was told to write parts of the ransom note she freaked out and broke into tears. "If you..... she dies. If you .... she will be beheaded" etc. One reason why Patsy didn't want to talk to the police is because she couldn't write that letter like the house cleaner. She would have tears all over that paper. I wouldn't analyze the note much for small words she might have used in past etc. Plus the writing doesn't look like hers that much. Burke just got a Nintendo 64 that day and is borderline Asperger's. I don't think he cared much about JonBenet or anyone else. He was in his own world. I think the golf club was an accident or even if he was pissed its possible. He defecated on his wall when he found out his mom had cancer. I don't think there's any proof he soiled her bed or things. He's the older brother and he could beat her up. If he was younger and could take advantage of him he might hit her with a flashlight but he could beat her up regardless since he was 3 years older. Just having the movie posters doesn't mean your into them. Could be just decoration. I have hindu and Ying Yang decorations and other hippy stuff on my walls that I'm not necessarily into. Its the basement too so not even an important area of the house. I'm not sure if you saw the other video on kidnappings I put out a couple days ago but all kidnappings go wrong, just like this one. Her being left there isn't weird because most kidnapped victims get killed right away or down the road. It just happened to be in her own home and not outside.
The underpants JB was wearing weren't hers. They belonged to her older cousin. They were much too big for JB. Patsy came up with the explanation that "JB really liked her cousin's panties and wanted to have them and wear them." Go ahead and file that under "S" for "STRANGE". Just like everything else in this cover up.
Love how this guy is out walking around in nature when talking about this topics. It’s a nice switch up from the typical studio with a microphone on an arm.
Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it. Its tough to speak on the spot and do everything well, but its probably more interesting for some of the viewers instead of watching people who always research and film without leaving their home.
So a couple of things. I’m from Boulder and know the neighborhood well. Three blocks away up the ally there is a church. This church provides aid and services (counseling) to homeless. Gary Olsen was a regular at this church. In addition, a month after this happened the same type of thing happened to another family two blocks away from the Ramsey home where someone had broken into the house and attempted to kidnap a child (girl). The Boulder PD was 100% incapable of handling this case (sad, but true).
@@mw4724 yes, I heard that story about Amy and the intruder there. The boulder PD and that guy Eller is the biggest idiot on earth. No doubt it could be Olsen or any number of people. Too bad we probably won't ever know because of the low IQ police department.
It only makes sense that Burke did this and the parents covered for him . An intruder would absolutely not have cocered jon benet in her favorite blanket . Only parents would do that . An intruder would never clean her body and redress her in her favorite underclothes . Only Patsy would do that . An intruder would never write a 2.5 page ransom note and leave the victims body in the house . That only points to Patsy and John staging the whole crime scene . Patsy wrote the ransom note . They did not stay together after the police arrived . They stayed in separate rooms that morning . They did not wait for any kidnapper to call them with instructions . They didnt even mention anything about the 10 am hour coming and going with no call coming in . John went straight to jon benets body and announced he had found her before even switching on the light in the dark cellar where she lay . Fleet White later turned his back on their friendship because he and his wife knew that the Ramseys were guilty . There was no evidence whatsoever of a break in . The Ramseys did this . The fact that they repeatedly lied plus changed their stories shows their obvious guilt .
1. Clean her body? She was in urine stained pajamas. Hardly clear. 2. An intruder could easily write a lengthy ransom note before the crime while lurking. The idea of anyone, family or intruder, writing it after the crime is challenging to believe. 3. John going to the body isn't really evidence. If he staged a scene, it doesn't make sense for him to want to discover it and unstage things. If you think there is "obvious" guilt, you should probably not sit a jury. You don't know what reasonable doubt means.
@@captainpandabear1422the FBI said they never ever seen a ransom note like this so yeah . Some of the best FBI agents say the family did it but u know better 😅😅😅😂😂😂
Nothing you said here is true😂. Many rapists have redressed and cleaned their vicitms. You're listing YOUR OPINIONS and pretending they're facts. Saying absolutely would and would not have etc doesn't make it true.
@@CodyvsEveryonethey didn't say that. So many lay people assume incorrectly that if it's not a real ransom note then it has to be the parents and thst simply isn't true. Those aren't the only 2 scenarios. The note is a diversion. Either way. It was not a true ransom note bc there was no kidnapping. Lol. She wasn't kidnapped. Whoever wrote it did so to divert attn away from them. But that doesn't mean it was the parents. Who's DNA was in her ans the murder weapon? Also tell us why they didn't take this to trial if its so obviously the parents and there is so much actual evidence showing that and no evidence to the contrary.
Ive never heard of a ransom note that was more than one page long. Usually whoever is writing it gets straight to the point. That in itself is just completely suspicious
Usually that's the case but they might have been in there for hours anxious awaiting for them to come home. This case was a little different but super long instructions that could never even be carried out. people.com/crime/evil-genius-read-handwritten-instructions-pizza-bomber-brian-wells/
@Ramblingroads I subscribed. Wrote this as i was watching and finally saw your whole video and saw the part where you explained theories on the ransom note. Gotta admit, I never thought of any of that and was impressed with your video . 🤯🤯🤯
It's the strangest thing of all. It has no fingerprints on any of the 3 pages. Its really hard they could concoct such a bizarre letter so quickly knowing their daughter was dead in a horrific way. But it does appear they did. Was the letter ever actually on the stairs? Surely Patsy would automatically pick the papers up, there was no room for her to get by without danger of slipping. How could the letter then be placed on the floor by John to read without either of them touching it. Why on earth would he read it on the floor, people would hold it or read on a work top or table.
What most people don't know who are clueless to facts of case an sure of a family cover up is that 118k was John's bonus amount months earlier it was on his pay stubs an a pay stub was beside the note pad on the desk that cops an many believe was used to write the random note. Many who don't know facts of case surely would wonder about an odd amount. 2 of biggest suspects had financial difficulty had keys to house many other reasons to try a kidnap that I believe turned murder when they couldn't keep JB quiet to get her to a car. I believe at least 1 of top 2 suspects was involved. They clearly knew everything they needed to pull this off an get away with it
I have followed the murder of Jobenet for years. Congratulations on an excellent comprehensive overview of this very sad case. May Jonbenet rest in Peace.
Thank, I really appreciate it and I'll do a follow up because there is always so much more to add or rebuke. Yes, super sad for jonbenet. I hope they are found.
Thank you. Gives a better sense of Boulder and the area around the house, and the back alley. You present it all so straightfowardly too, without being dramatic, thanks.
The interviews with the parents after jb death were so bizzare to say the least. They changed the narrative many times..Conveniently forgot things you would never forget. Things were very strange indeed..
I think her brother committed the initial crime by striking her in the head but her mother committed the murder by strangulation and then her mother did most of the cover-up. I'm not sure how involved her father was but I definitely think he knew about it and probably played a hand in the cover-up. The brother had built up jealousy towards Jon Benet because she was treated like a queen and something sent him into a jealous rage and he hit her over the head with a mag lite flashlight or a similar heavy object. Once Patsy realized the severity of the situation she came to the realization that she would essentially lose both children over this, Jon Benet to either brain damage or death and her son would most likely be committed to an institution until he was at least 18, so she decided to kill Jon Benet by strangulation and went into cover-up mode by writing a ransom note full of movie quotes that she had remembered over the years and eventually placing her body in a dark corner of the basement. Everything that was involved in the murder came from within the house including the rope, the notepad, and the pen used in the ransom note so if you Believe this was a kidnapping-gone-wrong you also have to believe this was a ransom-gone-wrong because the supposed ransom note, which is nearly identical to Patsy's handwriting, is really one of the only things that could point to an intruder. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the whole ransom motive is a farce because no one is going to break in a house and go into a dark corner and write this very long ransom note full of nonsensical movie quotes while also asking for the exact amount of John's bonus from work. Then go and either accidentally or intentionally murder the child in the house with stuff just laying around before even trying to pull off the ransom. If you believe the ransom note is real and this was some type of heist then you have to throw all logic out the window which is exactly why no one should ever believe this was a ransom-gone-wrong which also means it can't be a kidnapping-gone-wrong because they are intertwined and it makes absolutely no sense for a kidnapper to stage the ransom note that THEY WROTE INSIDE THE HOUSE if they are solely there to commit a kidnapping. First you'd be leaving possible finger prints and/or traces of DNA on the note pad/pen and you'd also be leaving evidence of your handwriting, not to mention you'd be spending precious time WRITING THE RANSOM NOTE INSIDE THE HOUSE, and that note was like 2½ pages long, which means you could easily get caught writing a ransom note that means absolutely nothing to the crime you are about to commit. Plus they say the intruder broke in and escaped through the basement so for them to write the ransom note they would have broke in, went upstairs where the notepad and pen were later found, wrote the note and then placed it on the staircase either before or after taking Jon Benet out of bed which was located upstairs. Obviously I wholeheartedly believe that Patsy wrote the note to try and throw-off the investigation but it really is one of the main pieces of evidence that points to her being involved because it matches her handwriting. The police realized this early on but the DAs office has never wanted to prosecute the Ramsey's for this murder so they've just overlooked it but at the same time they bring it up when talking about the intruder theory because like I said it's really the only evidence they have for an intruder theory. I know they have supposed DNA from someone not related to Jon Benet or anyone in the house but I think there's something sketchy about that DNA because you'd think they'd try to use all of the advancements in DNA that have occurred since the mid-90s but they haven't really tried to do anything with it to date. They just use it as a talking point when saying it's definitive proof of an intruder but they've never used it to try and figure out who it really came from because they already know the Ramsey's committed the murder but have refused to prosecute them even after a grand jury indicted them on charges related to the murder/cover-up. The ransom note was obviously written by movie buffs and The Ramsey's were huge movie buffs evidenced by the fact that crime scene photos prove they had movie posters hung up all over their mansion. They were very rich people who could have afforded to decorate their mansion however they pleased and they decided to hang up movie posters so in my mind that proves they loved watching movies and if they love watching movies I don't think it's any stretch of the imagination to believe that they would know the movie quotes written in the ransom note.
You can go online an read the autopsy report. Coroner proved JB was Strangled 1st unconcious then the baseball bat found outside basement area is in police evidence was the last thing that finished her off. She had a huge crack in back of her skull that didn't even break skin. Coroner almost overlooked that. She would surely have bled much if she was hit 1st. She didn't. I'm clueless to why so many believe the accident hit where science an coroner proved that didn't happen . Though it's easy to believe a theory if you don't know police report an autopsy facts.
I'm 98% intruder, one who knew the family, possibly employed by John for a brief time. I think two people might have been in on it, one of them a woman, present at the time.
Thanks a lot. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and subscribed. I just did a follow up on kidnappings in general to help understand the subject more and I'll have a few other videos on my thoughts on this over the next few months.
As a Serbian, I can tell you that it would have been really hard to get American residence permit at that time, and even if you'd be a refugee for Balkan you would not be able to do college in any American states 😕.
It's more then a half hour note, it is 20 minutes just to copy it, more if you have to think what to write, plus the practice note. Who would take all that time with the parents in the house? Kidnappers take the kid out of the house, even if she is dead, all they had to do was walk out of the front door. Dead body in the house means no ransom money. It was the brother, the parents covered it up, Parents didn't know he would of gotten just a slap on the wrist and even if they did they didn't want the scandal of having a son that killed his sister, it would have hurt the family's reputation it would have hurt John's business. That footprint could have been old, maybe John's when he broke in, who knew that they came down that particular staircase since they had 2? Patsy and John saw and read the note, why aren't their finger prints on that note? Unless they wore gloves and why would they be wearing gloves as soon as they get up from bed? They had to have picked them up since they were overlapped in order to read the pages. The DNA means nothing, it was so small and contaminated, touch DNA is useless, the mother undressed and put her pajamas on her, there should have been her touch DNA but nothing. Attachè si a french word, Patsy had a thing with french sounding words, Johnbenet, their dog named Jacques was named by Patsy
There's other things I didn't mention that would be important. Like why would they go through the long note and staging scene, but not follow through with most important part of leading police estray, by fooling them into thinking it was an intruder by screaming about the broken window downstairs or another open door. Or even made something look like breaking and entering upstairs. Instead they basically said nothing all day and milled around long enough for the police to implicate them for the rest of history. It wasn't until Lou Smit brought up the idea of an intruder almost a year later that people might have thought otherwise and too little too late. His company were salesmen. They sold a billion dollars of computer equipment that year. Sales is not milling around but being fast and smart and a CEO of sales would know there's a process of finishing a sale, no going halfway thru and not giving the pitch.
That’s actually insane that the person spotted at the house at around 5.30 was never looked into, because Lou smit Said that the person probably was already inside the house at the time they were at the party. A college student should definitely not be ruled out
For sure. In general they needed to ask everyone in the neighborhood what they saw but they only asked immediately neighbors. I'm sure If they did they would learn much more.
What mostly seems to be ignored is the dire consequences of calling the police, yet they did so. The note didn't just say she would be killed, rather that she would be beheaded! The ransom money was trivial to John so why would they ignore the fact that, if the ransom note is genuine, then calling the police just signed JonBenet's death warrant.
Yes, that's true. I've been doing a lot of these videos lately and I'm shocked how almost every person will call the police right away even when they say not too. I wonder how many of these situations would turn out if they paid the money and didn't call the police. I think at least some would work out much better.
My early theory was always the brother did it and the parents are covering it up, but now I wonder if it was someone else they're covering for (presumably themselves). Regardless of who killed her, they seem pretty clearly involved. Patsy wrote the ransom note. That seems extremely difficult to deny at this point. However, the stun gun marks and blood on her underwear make me think it was someone outside the family, probably Michael Helgoth. His suicide basically the moment a "new lead" was announced is pretty telling. Either he did it or he thought it would be pinned on him; it's also possible he interfered with JonBenet at some point, causing him fear that his DNA would be found, but wasn't the person who killed her. I always wonder now if the dad struck a deal with someone allowing them to "break in" (while leaving the door unlocked for them) and have his way with his daughter, only for it to go differently than anticipated. No one came in through the basement window that night; that much is obvious, unless you're telling me the spiders in the window were also in on it. What was the dad potentially getting out of it? Hell if I know. The family was well-off and Helgoth probably had nothing they wanted. The father's DNA under her nails could be relevant or it could also mean nothing more than they were horsing around that day, or she had a tantrum and accidentally scratched him in the process, or something else completely irrelevant. This sounds way too out-there even for me, but if trying to make sense of this evidence were easy, the case wouldn't still be open a quarter century later. Another possibility is that her brother didn't do it, but in the moment John and Patsy assumed he did (why would they believe he didn't, given his history?) and went into panic mode, "covering up" a crime their son never committed and destroying actual evidence in the process. It'd explain why they were so damn weird about it. Either at the time of interviews given they still believed Burke had committed the crime, or they realized how badly they'd fucked up and were afraid of the consequences. The evidence lines up in a way that both things seem proven true. Someone outside the family was involved, and so was the family. But that's nearly impossible to make sense out of. So here we continue, decades later, trying to make the pieces fit.
I'm not sure who did it. But Patsy Ramsey wrote The Ransom note. over 250 similarities in the ransom note and Patsy's handwriting. That Ransom note has Patsy Ramsey written all over it!
I would read and compare yourself. A few things are similar but I think Cina Wong and ABC news were just looking for sensationalism. Patsy couldn't even walk for about 3 days because she was so upset. Unless she's the best actor and biggest psycho in history, I think its doubtful. But anything is possible.
@@Ramblingroads Well, maybe she was distraught over her dreams dying again. She didn't quite hack it, as the Beauty queen when she was younger.. Not to the extent she would've liked.. So she was living Vicariously through the little girl. Then when she was deceased, it meant all her hopes/dreams had died again. When your dreams get smashed to pieces. Of course, you're going to be upset.
@@Ramblingroads "Unless she's the best actor and biggest psycho in history, I think its doubtful. " So why was she peeping through her hands while pretending to cry? It's disturbing how easily you have been taken in by the ridiculous charade.
That's not true. There's interviews where Patsy is sobbing. And unless she's as good as Meryl Streep, it is completely authentic and she's a mother suffering from gut wrenching grief and loss. Only thing I'm certain about in this whole case is Patsy had nothing to do with it.
Only people working in John's office knew the dollar amount in the ransom note. Unless you specifically know of an intern working in his office with access to classified documents; the University theory holds no water. Patsy was peeking through her hands while he daughter was laying in living room to see if others including the small town police were buying the performance. John and Patsy did a masterful job of taking advantage of a small town police force in totally destroying the crime scene. They then were given the unreal ability to control and influence the investigation. The duct tape on JBR's mouth was undisturbed showing she was deceased when it was put on. The ransom note has letters very similar to PR. There are so many things that weigh heavily on the immediate family covering this sad story up. I assume after what happened in the home; they coldly went into disaster recovery mode which clearly showed in their interviews and work with police. They got away with this to your point as they were smart and used the local setting to drive their narrative. As a larger tax payer; I am sure the local government did not want to lose this money either. It makes sense they would turn a blind eye and cover things up even ruining the careers of honest people trying to solve the case.
Anyone could have learned about the ransom if they found out about the bonus. John Andrew lived in a bit frat house up the road. He could have had people over to party when his parents were gone and someone learned of it. If they went so far out of their way to write note and stage scene then why wouldn't they scream out "there's a window open downstairs!" Why give a half ass staged scene but not fully lead them astray? He could have led them in that direction in the first ten minutes but he basically never made a big deal of that and police found them guilty. Maybe they weren't sure if she was dead but put duct tape on anyway. Its not like there has to be massive disturbance. It was moved twice at least too. I don't think the ransom note looks like Patsy's handwriting. I think people mostly think Patsy did it for the same reason most people can't solve this riddle. "A father and son are involved in a serious car accident. The father dies instantly while the son is airlifted to hospital in a critical condition. When the son arrives at emergency, a surgeon walks in, looks at the patient, and says, ‘I can’t operate on this boy, he’s my son’. So, who is the surgeon?" Since its so rare for a woman to do that job or be a kidnapper no one can think its possible so they assume Patsy did it and then find evidence to support it and not doubt there are many things, but also there are many reasons they didn't. They had no motive where dozens of others did and she was in such a bad state for at least a week so there's no way she could easily write things like, she dies, beheaded etc without smudges from tears. Its one of reasons she didn't want to talk to police and the maid had a hard time writing those words too and broke into tears. She couldn't have done it unless she was the most cold blooded killer. The police didn't do a full investigation and believed the family did it. They were the ones to ruin any possible cooperation when they at first refused to give their daughter back unless the family did an interview. Not just illegal but highly immoral.
You are clueless to facts in the case an you must not have read the easy to find online police report...John's bonus amount was on his pay stubs he had a paycheck stub laying on desk right beside the note pad that was suspected of being used. Also a few movie quotes from posters in her basement walls was written in the ransom letter. All this because your comment way off about only a co worker knew John's bonus amount..
@@Ramblingroadsmen get real ain’t nobody writing no three page ransom with Jon exact bonus amount to kidnap a child only to kill them in the home and leave their body in the basement, like be so for real
It's the only thing that makes sense. It's worth considering other theories, just for the what if, but come on, just looking at evidence, it's obvious it's her.
Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. I should have a video this Sunday or next Sunday about kidnappings history and movies at that time and it offers some interesting points. Have a great weekend!
I just wanna point out some things that I’ve never seen others consider odd. And out of context, sure. But out I. This specific context, let’s really dig in. - why did John shower that morning if the family was going to get ready when they landed later that day? I’m almost positive it was to wash off any dna he may have had on him. - Where was the luggage that they supposedly packed the night before? - how did patsy ramsey step over that note on the tight spiral staircase to the step below? Did she jump over the note to the step below? - why was a suitcase used under the broken window when a chair and actual stool were in plain view of the window. - can people write (style wise) similarly. Sure. Can people write similarly in the same town. Absolutely. But what are the infinitesimal odds that someone kidnaps your daughter and has your handwriting. We are talking one in MILLIONS AND MILLIONS. - why did John initially say he read to the kids that night but then say Jon benet was never awake? Was it just a mistake? - why all the lies and hiding the bedwetting? I won’t even get into the SA implications that comes with it, but let’s talk about patsy publicly saying it wasn’t an issue to the point that she never mentioned it to doctors. We know it was in JBs medical records. We know that she had a specific washer and drier hidden in an upstairs cabinet unit just for wet bedding. We know that the usual sheets weren’t on the bed that night. We know the blanket that she was found wrapped in was usually tucked neatly under the comforter and would have likely messed up the bed worse than how it was found had it been taken off unless they took time to remake the bed. These points always bother me the most.
I had a feeling you were working on this specific case! Glad you covered it and I saw some new footage. Really conprehensive and enjoyable and Im npt even a true crime fiend.
Thanks and I'm glad you appreciate it. I was def not into this case back in the day, but it truly is really weird at so many angles. That's why some people have channels dedicated to this subject. I'm still learning more and I'll do a follow up in a few months. I'd just do travel and other videos but they don't do as well as true crime.
@Ramblingroads I definitely enjoy your travel content but this stuff is definitely getting the views amd growing your channel. Hopefully a nice balance can be found.
@@AchRock1509 Thanks. Yes, for sure I had to change something things cause there just wasn't any momentum for almost 3 years now. I hope to do something like a mix of true crime and traveling to cool places. A good mix and match that I hope most people can enjoy, but people want some story or something more interesting then just regular travel.
She was in the basement at 552 in the moring when they called 911 she was already dead linda told john to check the house he went to the base and found her that proves she never went missing
you make some excellent points. it's important to focus on the "bigger picture," as you say, and not get bogged down in small details, regardless of your leanings. i like to think that this case will one day be solved, but i have serious doubts. RIP JB.
I think Burke, who was already envious of all the attention JB got, whacked her on the head with a flashlight that was on the table, which fatally cracked her skull open, because she ate some of his pineapple and Patsy made the decision to cover it up without her husband's knowledge (I truly don't think he knew). She knew her daughter was dead, so made the practical and calculated decision to save her son's, her own and her husband's reputation rather than deal with the fallout of what Burke had done and the devastating effect it on her life it would have had. The murder did have ultimately have a devastating effect on all their lives, but not in the same way.
There's no way Burke did that to her skull. It was a grown and really strong man. Her skull was cracked 8 inches. A skinny little 11 year old boy has no way off inflicting that kind of damage.
The male DNA found on Jon Benet did not match anyone in the family or friends and the Boulder PD and DA publicly apologized to them. I believe the blonde guy you show, Michael Helgoth did it. He had been a handyman at the house, had a history of sexual misconduct with kids. He wore the size 10 Hi Tech boots that left the print under the basement window. He also had a black Maglite which was found on the Ramsey's table and never found in Helgoth's place. The day after the PD announced they had a new lead Helgoth killed himself and his family has always refused his or their DNA sample. Lou Smit said he believed the family did it just based on the media but was sure they were not involved once he arrived at the house from LA.
The scene of his suicide looks staged too. The stun gun and HI Tec boots clearly set out. I believe it happened after police stated they were near arresting a suspect. In the 90s I don't know how easy it was to check communication between people. Wonder how well he knew John, if he was their usual handyman? Just feel in gut now there was a group, and 1 or more were filming Jonbenet. John was part of the group, or at least was aware what was happening. He admitted he had failed to set the alarm system that night when they went out to the dinner party. Still can't see how anyone would be so cruel to this poor little girl.
it was TOUCH dna from who knows where There was no semen. Helgoth's dna was not found at the crime scene. The dna in the crotch of Jonbenet's panties shared 10 loci with Burke Ramsey, his dna and skin cells along with her blood were on the pink Barbie nightgown!! The grand jury proved with the evidence Burke did it and the parents covered it up.
It really begins and ends with the note. By all expert accounts pat wrote it. Just the fact that it was written in house and it took two attempts. All that time while kidnapping.
I think most experts didn't think she wrote it. You can look at it yourself but its not that similar. They didn't have motive and there was no DNA regardless. So many people had motive to do something bad and the family had no motive. Another girl named Amy was attacked months later by an intruder who broke in while they were out and the Boulder PA did nothing.
Actually the “experts” will tell you that she scored a 1.5 out of 5. This means there’s close to a 90% chance that she didn’t write it. So, you don’t know what you’re talking about
Haha, I kind of had to to make sure the viewers knew what I was talking about and could make their own opinion. When I was originally thinking about making the video I thought it wouldn't take long. I didn't realize it was like the JFK of true crime. I could have spent a year researching it and I still am. Super interesting case.
@@Ramblingroads yes it sure was 🙂have a wonderful night how bless you & your family thanks for sharing your thoughts I really like watching your channel
@@Ana44446 Thanks so much. Really appreciate it and that you're enjoying the channel. Hopefully I don't disappoint ya. Have a great weekend and take care.
Intruders. However, they didn't seem to be concerned or worried that they could have been caught by Patsy or Jon at any moment. What if one of them woke up and noticed that JB wasn't in her room? They would start looking for her around the house. Also, it's baffling that they could carry the child out of her room so quietly without her screaming or something.
What we know about what happend to her is children who d-e from str-ngulation shows us its cause of 2 reasons. One to rid the offender of the victim to prevent talking OR TWO it happens as an accident during rough s-xual Abuse. When kids are eliminated by the second reason it's due to Str-ngulation from throttling. THIS is textbook of what happend to her.
I don't know how things worked in the 90s in the US, but I wouldn't know how much salary or bonus my colleagues get let alone with the precision given in the Ransom Note (RN). It's confidential information. John Ramsey was the CEO, so I can't imagine a lot of people knew about his bonus or savings. Looks like John and Patsy wrote the RN together. They threw in those numbers to make it more believable which honestly has the opposite effect for me.
Kids also wet beds because of SA. I think the dad was letting business partners . . take advantage, if you know what I mean. And one of them went too far and the Ramsey's tried to cover it to keep their high paying job, status, mansion, and the family together.
I understand that the local police department was not used to handling such a crime, but one would think that a police force with even the slightest experience in the 20th century would understand the concept of "secure the crime scene". Cop shows have been around a long time.
Exactly an it's a big college town. Never heard of a police force not bring a dog to track a scent on a kidnap call. They would have found JB right away not 6 hours later an maybe track a scent to a suspect neighbor door or car.. suspicious beyond measure Boulder police. Joke beyond measure glad I never lived or raised kids there.
Cheers, I'm glad you enjoyed. Although this video is super detailed, there's so much more I do need to go into. Although I lean towards intruder I will do more a video about the family doing it because there is many reasons there and to be fair since its more popular. But in the end its tough to think they wrote that long ass weird note and were even awake.
@@Ramblingroadsweird how cause a real intruder/kidnapper gonna keep a ransom note simple and short as possible and their gonna take the child out the home if leaving a ransom note
People write all kinds of weird things and they might have had a long complicated plan. The pizza delivery guy Brian Well's had a bomb around his neck and pages of instructions that were much longer then 2 and a half pages. people.com/crime/evil-genius-read-handwritten-instructions-pizza-bomber-brian-wells/
I find it interesting that there were no fingerprints on the ransom note. That means neither of the parents picked it up to read it. By itself isn't too strange, but when you think about how Patsy saw it on the stair, did she read the first part of the letter upside down? Did she skip the stair it was lying on in order to turn around and read it? If so, she'd have to skip over the stair again that the note was sitting on to go back up to check JB's room. Unless the letter was positioned to be read from someone coming down the stairs, it doesn't make sense to me. I've never heard anything where it states the direction the letter was positioned in, facing toward the upstairs, or toward the downstairs.
No doubt another super weird thing about the case. I would think many people would have handled it before it was placed into evidence but to find almost nothing is odd for sure.
I literally used to hang out close by there because we had a friend that has a place there in college. Boulder is a lovely place but has a homeless population. One time I ran across a video of a homeless man who had confessed to the murder or hinted at it in jail or something and I believe it was him. Family members said he was an extremely disturbed person even growing up doing very similar things that was done to the child.
There were checks and pay stubs all over. Each paycheck he got mentioned his bonus. Also, one of his disgruntled ex employees was owed about $118,000 so it could have been something thru work too.
Thank you for this very good Video about that case. I cant remember how i heard about it, but it stays in my mind. I do believe that someone of the Family did it.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed. I never knew much about it until I finally researched it recently. I didn't know it was like the JFK of true crime. I'm not sure if its the family or intruder either. Even though I did so much research there's still sooo much more stuff and a lot of good evidence for family too so I'm looking into that too for another video in a few months.
The constant criticism is the beauty pageant issue. If you scroll through the comments, it is constantly mentioned. In certain circles, pageantry is something young girls yearn to do. My parents could not afford the expense, but I definitely would have participated if possible. My mother adored me and dressed me as if I were her personal baby doll. My hair was coiffed perfectly and I loved everything feminine. I also had a bed wetting and an issue with female infections. JonBenet was distraught that her mother could have died. Of course, she wet the bed! My father never touched or even looked at me undressed. One doctor accused him of the same thing, and ironically I was molested by two male DCF investigators, while they claimed to be examining me. My parents were so harassed and bullied, they did not realize what I was trying to tell them happened until I brought it up as an adult. Kids under severe stress like losing a parent do things like wetting the bed. In my observation, the bullies are the unattractive girls and not the Regina Georges of the world. If you watch the Kendall Rae and Stephanie Harlowe collaboration, it is obvious that too many viciously jealous women hate Patsy and will say anything to justify their persocution. I could not believe how horrible and disgusting the two of these jealous and childish girls acted, as I respected them before their disgusting video. The policewoman involved in the case was horrible and unprofessional. She looked at Patsy, and her jealousy consumed her. She is the typical ignorant hick cop who is shown irrefutable evidence, looks away and says, "nope, they done it!" I can relate to too much evidence put forward in this case to accept the accusations of armchair sleuths that makes no sense and can be refuted on every level. I am glad someone was willing to stand up and admit that the biases are either of hatred, jealousy or blindness. I just wonder how possible it actually would have been to solve this case had it not been for the nearsightedness.
Yes, I think the pageantry issue def made a lot of people unhappy. Even people who were on the grand jury in Boulder said they didn't like the family for that reason. That's a great point. I thought her bedwetting was anxiety because of doing shows but the fear of her mother dying would be big. I know Burke smeared his bathroom with feces when he heard his mom had cancer so that makes sense. Yes, its a certain type of group that def hates the Ramsey's out of jealousy. They won't accept DNA or any evidence. I made the mistake of posting my video on reddit and got hundreds of angry messages. I am a flat earther for thinking an intruder might have done it. Yes Linda Arnt was just a dumbass cop. Just going off emotions to find them guilty instead of facts. I hope my video changes some peoples minds and I'll keep on working on it. Cheers.
@@Ramblingroadsboth children were more than likely being molested. Jonbenet for a fact was she had bad damages down there. Documented and discussed by police. Read the book one of the detectives wrote on the case I beg you. In my opinion something sinister was going on, her grandfather was linked to notorious fox island which was busted for a pedophike ring in 1975. And ghislaine Maxwell was literally photographed several times at different pagents. The detective who wrote the book also stated the DA at the time was more than likely corrupt because he made the investigation impossible he didn’t even really make the Ramsays come in for questioning and he let patsy take sooooo much shit from an active crime scene
@@sarahcosgrove6771 I will, but I'm not sure how valid that is, because on the CBS documentary those 2 guys mentioned it didn't seem like a big deal. But that doesn't mean John was doing that. If he did he'd be busted by now because pedo's reoffend the most.
Chile ain’t nothing to be jealous of regarding patsy I just think I just find her behavior very odd throughout this murder of her daughter along with Jon and Burke and she was caught in lies and that’s why I think she was involved not cause she was considered a beautiful beauty queen
I can tell you exactly what happened. Mother suspected father of being attracted to JBR. Hence highlighted incest in dictionary. Since mother is narcisstic her actual concern is then jealousy. Father is carrying her maybe to bed mother confronts him about it loses temper swings at him he turns she ends up hitting JBR. She doesnt die but ends up fitting. Now they are both in trouble but know she wont live. They cant call anyone for medical attention. They tske her to cellar and MOTHER finishes the job with strangulation fakes the kidnapping. The bosldy is not meant to be found so she wasnt tied up. They would move it later. This is why ehen they knew she be discovered John rushes down and quickly ties her. It was a rush job hence not tight and one even falls off her wrist. This is the only possible explanation and why it was not entirely deliberate and why both parents had no option but to go along with it
As a victim of child sexual abuse and physical abuse i can tell you the parents did it. The mom caught the dad and then a terrible accident happened out of anger. They had the money to cover it up.
You put a lot of work into this mini-doc. I am glad to see more regular non corporate media types look into this case. One more compliment before I disagree with you [sarcastic grin]: I am glad you brought up the Grand Jury findings - I put a lot of weight into their conclusion that was suppressed for years. In my opinion however, the note was 100% written by Patsy Ramsey and both parents covered up a crime that was done probably by Burke or possibly both Patsy and Burke. John Ramsey knows exactly and 100% what actually happened - again IMO.
Thanks appreciate it. I'm still not sure either. I think maybe its possible that Patsy wrote the note, but it didn't look that much like her handwriting to me. About 6 months after JonBenet was killed a girl named Amy who went to same dance school as JonBenet had an intruder in the home while they were gone and he molested her before her mother heard something and he jumped out the window when confronted. The police didn't really look into it much or interview the owner of the dance school. I think there's a chance the maids daughter might have been involved to since she helped her mom about a month before that. Either way its tough to say for me.
Imagine sending Burke to a Friends house next morning and his Sister Sopposedly Kidnapped!!!...you would keep your Child on your Hip never mind packing him off to a Friends House..
Patsy answered the door in full makeup and wearing the same clothes as the night before. She never went to bed that night. The ransom note was her pad, her pen, and the handwriting matched Patsy's. Whatever happened that night nobody knows. But Patsy 100% wrote that note.
I'm giving a brief overview of what happened at the beginning and later I go into the details and mention how they had their 4 friends and paster over and how crime scene was contaminated etc.
I don’t understand why someone would write a note if she was already passed. That’s what makes me think it’s a cover up. Something about leaving that long of a note just seems so odd… poor baby I hope she’s really happy now 💕
She was unfortunately killed before they could get her out of the house. In almost all kidnappings they get killed at the beginning or later on by accident. I hope she's in a better place too. Sad case.
Thanks. I'm not set on the students doing it. It could def be anyone who knows them, but they might still have thousands of admission papers they might be able to go thru to see if 2 and a half page ransom note matches any of them. They have no leads in 28 years. It seems like a reasonable thing to at least look into if the neighbor thought he saw a student go towards the home.
Jonbenet Ramsey and myself have the exact same birthday August 6th 1990 so in a way I feel connected to follow this case like I have since I was 14 years old. This isn't hard to figure out the boulder police department seems to be dragging their feet because they know who did it but they can't release the obvious. People say they messed up the crime scene but forget that the original call was for a kidnapping not a homicide! I strongly advise anyone to watch the Linda Arndt interview on here and you'll stop thinking about conspiracy theories because it's really not that difficult to solve and it's ashame that a child will never get justice unless a death bed confession is made.
Well ok. CBS was sued an lost many millions pushing the joke Burke did it theory. Former Boulder detective Thomas was sued an lost pushing the Patsy did it an lost in court with 0 facts to back up his book that he talked about writing while trying to to solve a case. Who murdered JB. I'd love to know like many thousands others. Bring your proof with your opinion.....
I'm not pro anything. Just open minded. People can't get out of their box for reason they can't easily figure out this puzzle. "A father and son were in a car accident where the father was killed. The ambulance brought the son to the hospital. He needed immediate surgery. In the operating room, a doctor came in and looked at the little boy and said I can't operate on him he is my son. Who is the doctor? " Since the ransom note has a feminine tone it would be super doubtful another woman would have written it so everyone concludes that the mother wrote it and finds the story to fit the narrative. The same reason even a feminist can't realize a surgeon can be a woman. Its rare that a woman other then Patsy would have written it but very possible.
50:46 I really doubt jon benet had "had some fruit cups hoarded in her room becauze she is NOT going to come up in the middle of the night...you ARE NOT leaving that room all night". Why would you assume that? What a strange assumption for the creator to make. I left my room at 5 overnight. Not all 5 year olds are scared of the dark or afriad to leave their room. I loved leaving my room! No one awake, I can do what I want!
5 year old girls going into the basement of huge old houses like that? Just because you did doesn't mean anyone else did. I remember many kids being afraid of basements.
I think jon benet fell down the spiral stairs in the middle of the night and hit her head. They got scared that someone would think they did it and they might lose their son so tried to make it look like a kidnapping. I think when Patsy described the note on the stairs in one of her interviews it was really jonbenet she was talking about and not the letter. That's why it was so easy for her to describe what happened. She just replaced jonbenet with the letter on the stairs.
Its possible. Or that Burke or someone hit her in the head, but did you see her fracture of her skull? czcams.com/video/LisTaOE7VkI/video.htmlsi=8OtE07N-ckPBqde8&t=2296. That's pretty much the top of her head with something like a mag flashlight. Unless she fell directly on top of her head its tough to think that would happen. But no doubt the family could have been involved regardless and something happened by accident.
So rather than frantically call 911 and tell the truth they would fabricate a huge lie? This little girl was bludgeoned and half her skull was crushed plus she was molested!
Read police report. Go online read autopsy report look at brutal photos. Coroner clearly proved JB was clearly choked unconcious then the baseball bat found outside basement area is in police evidence was the blow that finished her off. If she was hit or fell 1st she would have bled much....She did not. Facts in a case are important . If you don't know them you might easily believe another theory.
If they had parties often, large ones at 150. They probably use a catering service which a lot of young college students or temps, day laborers get those jobs. Could’ve been somebody that was in the house before and John just rubbed him the wrong way and they seen an opportunity to extort the family. Idk just a thought. This case still puzzles mean you think you have it figured out there are so many directions it can go in. Although very rare scenarios as usually children are killed from their own family members, it’s not completely impossible It was someone from outside the home.
No doubt. In the movie Ransom one of the woman who catered at the rich guys house became the kidnapper. I think it could be any person who was jealous which could have been a lot of people. In the next 2 weeks I'll have a video that looks at kidnappings and movies at that time. Ironically in Speed and the movie Ransom its a cop or ex cop who is perpetrator. Maybe someone in the Boulder pd. They were so set on family doing it. Maybe it was them.
john was suppose to have a basturd son which came their every christmas for money then would leave until the next year but john did not give him any money that year and he was very mad and so he wrote the letter and killed the little girl to get back at him .
@@islesofshoals3551 That could def be the case. Whenever anyone is head of a huge company there can be tons of disgruntled employees. I think he had up to 400 employees at the time. Even if they didn't do it they could have paid someone to do it.
Putting a little Girl, in beauty pageants is just wrong in my eyes, that is putting her little life in jeopardy because there’s so many pedifiles out there and they are always at risk I would never put my daughter in them
Yes, no doubt. Its def inappropriate and could put her in harms way. But her mother was Miss W. Virginia and had stage 4 cancer so she didn't have the time to wait for her to grow up either. She probably would have never thought in a million years her daughter would pass away before her.
John Ramsey said they never would have put Jon Benet in these pageants if they had know how dangerous it could be. Contrary to the media’s portrayal, pageants were a small part of Jon Benet’s life.
@@RamblingroadsI actually see the pageants as more evidence as to why Patsy would NOT have committed this crime. She was living vicariously through her daughter. In fact, I was shocked when you said she’d choose JonBenet over Burke, as you’re the first one I’ve ever heard state the obvious. She’d probably want Burke to get in trouble if he killed her precious prize. Being a not so great parent doesn’t make her a murderer. I do wonder if maybe the Ramseys know who did kill JB since they behave as if they know more than they let on. Perhaps the killer held Patsy at gunpoint and forced her to write that insane note. Maybe the killer or killers told her they’d kill JonBenet if she didn’t do it. Just as plausible as anything else. Not saying it’s what happened, but if it is, there’s no way for the Ramseys to explain that away without implicating themselves even more. In any case, I think the family is innocent.
And IF you were honest with yourself, you should have titled this video, “Why the parents did not do it!” Right off the bat you already making molding everything to fit the “intruder” theory, to the point that the intruder was doing some foreign currency exchange rate to explain away the $118’000 ransom pay.
I probably will change the title when I make another video leaning on the possibility that the family did it more so there are 2 videos. Ironically John was the one to tell police his bonus was $118,000. If he wanted to point to an intruder he wouldn't chose that amount of money and he should have pushed the idea that the suitcase and broken window were probably responsible, but he was pretty aloof. The police thought they were guilty right away so he had to lawyer up fast. Plus the police said they wouldn't give back their daughters corpse unless they did an interview on the police terms. Totally immoral and illegal. The family made mistakes and have some changes in stories anyone could have made but the police totally messed up the investigation too. I'm def not one just to side with criminals. I think most people from OJ to even George Floyd are criminals. But when the police totally messed up I'm not just going to take their side. I don't see a big reason why the family would do that. Even if the intruder didn't get downstairs I'm sure there's a possibility that one of the doors was open like in the kitchen. Most people weren't that secure in the 90's like today. 9 months later another young girl Amy was sexually assaulted in Boulder when an intruder snuck in their home. I think someone like a Bryan Kohberger or group of people like that who might have been enemies or students did this kind of thing. A lot of people had a reason to hate John and Patsy. I don't see the motive the parents had. Bedwetting is normal and Burke is the older brother so he could beat her up without using a huge flashlight. He would never get any sentence or even be tried (you have to be at least ten), so why should the parents possibly put blame on themselves when they could do serious time in prison?
@@Ramblingroads Honestly, I myself am on the fense, a clear cut of 50/50 on this case. But it seemed to me that you created a video that's bending backwards to prove that the Ramseys are innocent. That's what's bothering me, speaking for myself.
@@Ramblingroads And I never believed that Patsy killed her daughter over bedwettting. #1. JonBenet was her life extension, her daughter will achieve what she herself had failed to achieve, Miss America, or even Miss Univers. #2. It's hard to imagin that any parents would kill their own flesh-n-blood over such trivial matter as bedwetting. Especiallly the Ramseys, they could just leave the dirt business to a housekeeper.
@@TheXmeimei I think I gave it a fair assessment when I initially looked into the case and even thought someone in the family was guilty. I saw how much the cops not only messed up but immediately thought the family did it and didn't look for other possibilities. Then I saw how probably 90 to 95% of people are siding with the police and completely believe them and won't even consider an intruder. My thoughts about this were true when I made a big mistake posting my video in reddit thinking people would be fair. Over 200 brutal messages against me calling me a flat earther etc. Maybe 2 decent comments out of 200 plus. So I realized that the majority of people made up their mind and it cant even be changed. I think that's unfair. Everyone should have an open mind. So the fact that I lean one way on this is good in my opinion when 90 percent of the others are making videos against a family who has never been convicted. I think in any case I'd like to stand up for anyone who is getting unfair treatment and I don't believe a mother kills over bedwetting, or a kid who just got a Nintendo 64 that day cared about his sisters presents or pineapple, or a father who lost his oldest daughter could have done this. But I think it could be some crazy intruder. This Sunday hopefully I'll have a video about kidnappings in the USA and the movies out that time. What I found so far is that almost every kidnapping goes know like the Ramsey's. It never works out as people planed.
@@TheXmeimei I think of the 3 family members Patsy could be the only possible one. But as you mentioned, its not super likely to happen unless she had some really crazy thing in her head going on. Its possible but I still think intruder more likely but she does have some weird body language and some writing does seem similar.
Excellent work. I have watched more videos about this case than i can count, and you are by far the most logical and make the most sense out of all of them. I am absolutely positive Patsy had nothing to do with it. Has no idea who could have done it. I think John has an idea though. The way he looks in interviews he looks like he's hiding something. Not that he killed her but he knows who might have done it and he feels partly responsible for her death. A shady business deal where he screwed someone over, a business associate who despises him for whatever reason. Most podcasters have their minds made up that it was the family, which i can understand why, but they wont even entertain the intruder theory. Great work. Keep it up.
Thanks. Yes, there's some weird things for sure. You could right about that. It seems like someone knows something. It might have been a woman he cheated with. He had def done that before Patsy with his first wife. She wouldn't write something that long and there's many reasons why she wouldn't have done it. It could have been the maids daughter or someone she knew too. There's so many more intruder theory ideas the police or "true crime experts" seem to ignore. Its really weird to me but I think its for one reason. People are fooled easily like this riddle. A father and son were in a car accident where the father was killed. The ambulance brought the son to the hospital. He needed immediate surgery. In the operating room, a doctor came in and looked at the little boy and said I can't operate on him he is my son. Who is the doctor? Since the ransom note has a feminine tone it would be super doubtful another woman would have written it so everyone concludes that the mother wrote it. Most people can't get it thru their mind that a surgeon can be a woman either. So everyone thinks Patsy or Burke did it but its pretty unlikely to me. Anyway, you can check out my other videos on Colombine and others. A few gems in there. Cheers, Jeremy.
He was a child. He wouldn't of gone to prison. It would've been ruled an accident and Burke would've gone to counseling. I don't think it was him. A kid can't keep a secret like this.
A 10 year old doesn't fashion a garrote out of a paintbrush to strangle someone. This is a ridiculous idea. When they found her her hands were tied over her head and arms were so stiff they had to physically bend them back down. As if she had been hanged by them. He skull was cracked 8 inches from one blow. A child would not hit something just once and certainly not that hard. There was no blood, indicating she was struck after being strangled. If her parents weren't involved and were just scared, trying to cover up for their son, they wouldn't strangle and further mutilate their own child. Its absurd.
Alimarie, no, the garotting happened before the head injury. Evidence proves she struggled against the cord, there was also a lack of severe internal bleeding or tissue swelling which would have occurred with such a severe head injury, indicating Jonbenet was dying or just died when the head injury happened. I thought for years Patsy had accidently done it, pushing her in bathroom after one bed accident too many. I read earlier this year John was found to have many videos of children brought back from Amsterdam business trips. Believe now some kind of filming was going on that went very wrong, John was aware it was happening. He stated for the first time he hadn't activated the alarms when they went to the dinner party. I don't think either of them killed her, but he at least knew. Also believe its Burke protecting his parents, not the other way round.
@@user-qh8nh7oe6d … so an intruder chose to enter an occupied house, murder one child, ( while the parents are in the house, no less), take his time looking for a pen and paper inside the house, write a 6 page rambling ransom note ( verified to be in Patsy Ramsey’s handwriting). Crawl outside, not leaving any footprints in the snow. For no apparent reason??
@@richardheinz … I know, but the parents freaked out, so they staged the rest of the assault on her body in the basement. Then they immediately “lawyered up”
I personally believe the intruder was in the house before they arrived back home that evening. During that time they wrote the note. To me, the purpose of the note from the killer was just to provoke the parents. From certain details in the note, aside from the amount of money requested, this person was familiar with the family. They clearly display arrogance about it and are not shy about hiding it.
@UCwt7d0uceF0AKy94Gszo0Og The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved.. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.* The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys..
How many weird coincidences are allowed? Ransom note pring similar to the parents, amount of money asked in the ransom note is thebsame amount of money that the father earned in his bonus, and who's really gonna write a 2 page ransom note?
and leave the body in the house, i mean you bother to right the note then leave the child there makes no sense. if it was an intruder looking for money at least take her out of the house and try to get some money even if she was already dead
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 3 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
I don’t think Burke or the parents did it, but I think the parents know who did. I just can’t figure out why they would cover for that person for so long - it would have to be someone with a great deal of leverage over that family.
It was an intruder! They never found out who dud it because the cops focused way too much on the parents! Poor Patsy, she got cancer and then was accused of murdering her child! Just awful!
@@Ramblingroadsyou don’t know if the Ramseys didn’t do it anymore than those of us who think they did, yet you speak like you do and you don’t, it’s all speculation and we’ll likely never know the truth of what happened to that child but it was gruesome and horrible
@@elvadrum4965 Plus There Is:The Unsourced Hi-Tec Shoe Print, The Unidentified Axillary Hair Found On the White Blanket She Was Found With, An Unidentified Palm Print ON The "Wine Cellar" Door (She Was Found Behind), & What Is Known As "DNA-X" !!!
AN INTRUDER BROKE IN THROUGH THE BASEMENT , WHILE THE RAMSAYS WERE ALL NEXT DOOR HOURS BEFORE THEY CAME HOME HE HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO WRITE THE RANSOM NOTE USING ITEMS FROM INSIDE THEIR HOME HE WAS HIDING IN THE BASEMENT UNDETECTED AND STILL HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD HE LEFT THE SAME WAY HE CAME IN IT WAS THE MAN WHO SAID HE WAS COMING INTO A LARGE AMMOUNT OF MONEY AND WHO KILLED HIMSELF WHEN THE NET WAS CLOSING IN ON HIM
Michael Helgoth Was A Great Suspect, But He WAS Cleared By DNA. I Still Have Questions Concerning His "Former Colleague" John Steven Gigax, The Boulder PD Never Properly Investigated Him.
@@Ramblingroads the crime was horrible but the part you said... Ok let's write a long letter and put the body in the basement, like being the parents, made me laugh.
I've always thought a stranger did it, but the parents tried to cover it up either because they thought their son did it or because they were worried about appearances. Because they planted evidence, I don't think it will ever be solved. Unfortunately, the police department just refuses to do their job to this very day. I can't understand why they won't test the DNA.
That was one of my thoughts too. They assumed Burke did it when he didn't do it and that's why they would have covered it up. But its tough to think they would have used a garrote like that if she could have been saved. But no doubt the cops and everyone messed up in that case.
The only documented time Burke hurt Jonbenet was hitting her with the golf club. Witnesses said she had come up behind him as he swung the golclub, so it was an accident. I've never read any other incident when he was seriously violent to her.
If you are reading a ransom note, and your other child comes down to see whats going on, and you say " we are not talking to you, go back to bed!" How do you know the perp isnt still in the house? Even as an adult id be scared to death! My other child would be next to me forever! Thats B. S. And even if he didnt get up, he would still be tied to my side of fear of loosing him as well. Not send him away to stay with relatives of friends!
This is one of the most comprehensive and logical analysis of the JBR murder that I have seen. You asked some of the same questions I have for example, why would loving parents who are covering up an accident do so by strangling their daughter?
Thanks so much Becky. After getting crucified the last couple days on reddit its nice to have some support. Plus they didn't actually watch video but saw what I thought and dismissed me like a cult. There's def some small pieces of evidence etc I didn't know all details etc, but your right. Its one thing if they accidentally hit her in the head or if they strangled her. But to do both whether dead or alive is super super sick. On Christmas out of all days? And they lost their oldest daughter already. She already was bedwetting for years. Kill her on Christmas? They were soo tired I bet. No way they would even wake up until 530. Its so sad everyone thinks they are guilty. They could be but at least people should have an open mind and they don't in this case for some reason.
@@Ramblingroads bedwetting in children is a sign that they are being abused.
@@wallasw0rks Its more normal then most would think "About 1 in 10 children in the United States have nocturnal enuresis. It happens more often among younger children - about 30% of children ages 7 and under and about 5% of 10-year-old children. For teenagers, an estimated 1% to 2% of U.S. 15-year-olds have nocturnal enuresis. About 2% to 3% of adults over 18 have primary nocturnal enuresis."
my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15075-bedwetting
And people handle stress differently. Burke could not have done this, the male DNA didn't match anyone in the family. He wouldn't have known how to make a gurrat I don't think.
@@Chron-sl4nd He could be a homosexual that hate this beautiful girl, they used to simulate a sexual actiivity but they hate women.
The Rosetta Stone of the case is the “ransom” note, which, as the FBI pointed out to Boulder PD and the DA in the initial stages of the investigation, was never a real ransom note. There was never a ransom, there was never a kidnapping, there was just a dead girl in the basement of her own home. So what was the purpose of the note? The note’s purpose seems to be a frantic attempt to misdirect/divert the authorities away from what actually happened by creating an unknown, mysterious “they” (in this case, a “small foreign faction,” which is even more laughable when you read the words out loud) who were responsible for this crime and were “out there somewhere.” The existence of the note tells you everything you need to know about what most likely happened to Jonbenet because the note could serve no other realistic purpose. The reality is that in the middle of the night there was some serious trauma in the Ramsey family and, over the course of several hours, decisions were made and those decisions have been followed through on. John Ramsey gathering the $118k, or urging the governor of Colorado to expand DNA testing, etc. all serve the same purpose as the note: misdirection/diversion. The DNA will never lead to an arrest because the DNA more than likely has nothing to do with the crime. No ransom, no kidnapping, no semen, no child’s body dumped in the woods and found later…just a self-contained crime within the home and within the family.
I agree its strange but why would they go through the long note and staging scene, but not follow through with most important part of leading police estray completely. By fooling them into thinking it was an intruder by screaming about the broken window downstairs or another open door. Or even made something look like breaking and entering upstairs.
Instead they basically said nothing all day and milled around long enough for the police to implicate them for the rest of history. It wasn't until Lou Smit brought up the idea of an intruder almost a year later that people might have thought otherwise and too little too late.
His company were salesmen. They sold a billion dollars of computer equipment that year. Sales is not milling around but being fast and smart and a CEO of sales would know there's a process of finishing a sale, no going halfway thru and not giving the pitch. But anyway, anything is possible in this bizarre case.
@@Ramblingroads So, mysterious intruders were clever enough to enter a family’s home without being detected or seen by anyone (either inside or
outside), clever enough to abduct a six year old girl with her whole family home without being detected (while using a stun gun, no less, which, just like the phrase “small foreign faction,” is even more laughable when you say it out loud),clever enough to bash her on the head with incredible force (which must have made a serious noise) without being detected, clever enough to then take the time to use materials already present in the house to fashion a garrote and strangle said girl (which the coroner said could have been up to two hours after she was hit on the head) and then clever enough to exit the house without being seen or heard by anyone…but not clever enough to not leave a nonsensical, multi-page ransom note for a non-existent kidnapping with a very specific ransom amount that they made no effort to collect? All of this while risking leaving fingerprints or other evidence, all within the home, all without being detected? Do you understand how many major leaps of logic or disregard for human/criminal nature have to be reached to even entertain these ideas? Again, they decided to leave a non-sensical multi-page page note for a ransom they never intended to collect for a girl that they had already bashed in the head and strangled within her own home? It’s forcing so many square pegs into so many round holes, at what point do we stop trying to do that and just follow where things actually go?
The “ransom” note’s purpose is an attempt, albeit a clumsy one, to make a murder look like something else. The “ransom” note itself is an attempt by a wealthy person who knows nothing about crime to write something that they think would resemble the ransom notes they had seen on film and television.
The actual wording of the indictments handed down by the Grand Jury against John and Patsy are very telling. The evidence and testimony they used to arrive at those indictments are still sealed, but I imagine they heard testimony from close family friends, and others, that, combined with the physical evidence and empirical facts, made what those indictments allege far more likely than any other scenario, including an unknown intruder.
The known facts lead to the following most likely conclusion: there was no ransom, there was no kidnapping or attempt at a kidnapping, there was no stun gun, there was no mysterious, unnamed intruder. The DNA will NEVER result in a hit that has anything to do with the actual crime, because it is more than likely unrelated to the actual crime.
Again, there was some serious trauma in the Ramsey family during that night. As a result of said trauma, decisions and commitments were made and stuck with. To add to that, we have a family with enormous amounts of money. If this were some other family, while still bizarre, the case would have been resolved a long time ago, but wealth is the reason Bill Cosby (probably one of the most prolific serial rapists in history) is not in jail right now, and also the reason OJ Simpson did not serve jail time for butchering two people-notice that OJ served jail time for armed robbery years later, what was the difference? He didn’t have any real money at that point! (And yes, I know, his voice was recorded during the robbery, but Cosby admitted in sworn civil depositions that he drugged young girls to have sex with them, so here we are).
The cops didn’t implicate the Ramsey family, the facts did and do.
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Very good summary Sir!
@@scottmacdonald6096yes to all of this and it’s why I was stunned that Spector was prosecuted and also found guilty. He was clearly guilty of the murder but he had millions and an LA jury so the odds were against conviction.
Money usually but not always perverts the course of justice.
Also, note on this topic - there is no criminal enterprise or entity in the whole world of non-fiction that would call themselves “small” let alone “foreign”… laughable if not so tragic.
I can't believe how cluttered and messy that huge house is 😮 And they had a HOUSEKEEPER... How would she get any cleaning done in that chaos??
THIS. 100% THIS. I said the same in my comment. I said "there's obviously something wrong in that family if the house is that gross..." in a family so "obsessed with apperances" WTH would patty (mom...psycho mom if you ask me based on how she had always come across) let all these ppl in their house and have no worries about how nasty it was?
Thought the same thing, Patsy was a messy woman, probably never did anything around the house, she needed more then one housekeeper with that mess, and consider John was never around, that was Patsy's mess and the kids.
I remember in one of the books I read that , Patsy's mother used to fuss at her that the housekeeper is there to clean and can't if she's constantly having to pick up.
And the fact that John found his daughter in the basement proves there is no intruder
And the body covered with a blanket is an indication that a loved one committed the murder. And the note on the stairs that the family used the most is another indication that it was someone familiar with the house and the family
@lisakaye3919 John makes a statement and says I thought we were dealing with a kid napping . Intruder don't and come in and asking 118000 dollars kill the child and don't collect the money then go write ransom note and then stick around for awhile and wait for John and patsy to get up and then leave
Tell me the sequence of events that night
@user-vb8yf8be3l autopsy proves they killed there daughter before 552 John and patsy picked up the note and it says at this we have your daughter at 552 in the moring no she was already dead before the note was written. Because if she wasn't she would not be in the basement
@user-vb8yf8be3l I don't care how anyone looks at it in the next five hundred years there's no proof of any intruder we know there ransom note killer but there is a author to the note 1000% patsy and John's hand writing for sure
The simplest and most likely scenario is that someone in the family did it, and it was then covered up. The ransom note came from a pen & note pad in the house. Patsy studied dramatic dialogue in college and was obsessed with image. The ransom note is full of dramatic dialogue, to say the least. It may not seem logical to a normal person to go to such extreme lengths to cover up a crime/accident, but that's because most people aren't obsessed with image and appearances.
Its def possible. The more I watch her interviews with John the more I see some of her body language that seems a bit unusual.
NO ONE IN THE FAMILY DID IT.. None of them matched the MALE DNA found on JBR. It was Michael Helgoth.
I think Patsy is definitely plausible, but so is an intruder. If an intruder didn't write that note, it was Patsy.
I think a stranger did it, but the family did plant the note and clean up the crime scene, which was a huge mistake.
TheRufe47, The ransom note is the most important piece of evidence. I won't add links to the writing analysis here, but there are many and easy to find. I am no writing expert, but I don't think you need to be one to see the similarity between the ransom note, and Patsy's known writing. I am 100% convinced she is the author of the ransom LETTER. I capitalized Letter, to emphasize the length of it. This murder was an inside job. Parents lose control of their tempers all the time. They hit their kids out of frustration and anger all the time. Patsy caused JonBen'et's initial injuries. I believe Patsy thought she killed JonBen'et, and that is when the coverup began. Exactly when John got involved, I am not 100% sure. The autopsy shows that the rope was the murder weapon, but I think Patsy thought her daughter was already dead. Whether she staged the garrote, or it was her and John, I don't know. I think JonBen'et wetting the bed that night was the catalyst of this tragedy. Either way, the killer is dead, and I don't think it would serve anyone to have John in prison. I believe prepubescent beauty pageants have no place in our society. They invite trouble. If John was directly involved he has to live with it and will be judged by his creator soon enough.
I believe all of the Ramseys had a part to play in JBR's murder.
It's kinda like Agatha Christie's novel, where everyone was involved in the killing.
First, it was Burke who was playing with his train set in the train room, something happened and Burke attacked JBR (like how he had hit JBR with a golf club the year prior). He had knocked her out and then tried to use his electric train track to shock her to see if she would wake up several times and then panicked and went up to his room and tried to sleep it off.
Then, John went down to the basement to check on whether Burke was still there, he saw JBR lying on the floor near the wine cellar (where there were visible brownish-red stains on the camera footage). He did not immediately speculate that it was Burke, more so that JBR might have passed out from falling or something else.
Then it was Patsy, whom John needed to inform. John went to inform Patsy who was rushing to pack for their early morning trip the next day. As John and Patsy saw JBR's body, they were speculating:
1) To call an ambulance (hence on the 911 call, Patsy murmured the words, "Hi, we need an ambu.." Those were the first few words she said if you carefully heard) But that would wake the neighbours up on Christmas/the 26th and you know how MUCH the Ramseys cared about their image!
2) Since the Ramseys couldn't get JBR to wake up, they (John especially wanted to hide the evidence of "sexual assault" on JBR). He had cut out a piece of JBR's genitals (to remove any trace of his DNA) in the basement's bathroom (therefore the "bloody bathroom" interrogations with the investigators. While Patsy was writing the ransom note with her left hand, with her pen, with her notepad, with her probable finger print of her holding up the ransom note to read it and took as much time as John took to cover up. Hence 3 pages, 2 drafts. Patsy also took a set of JBR's pyjamas, therefore there were red fibres from her clothes that she had worn to the Whites & the Christmas garland on the stairs on it, to change JBR's clothes to make it seem as if JBR was taken from her bed that night!
The next morning, you could hear from the phone call when Patsy didn't hang up the phone, "What did you do?" ..& a smaller voice responds "What did you find?".
John was the one who "murdered" JBR by finally strangulating her, when she was already brain dead.
+ The unknown male's DNA, was from a factory worker who packed the underwear from another country! No doubt, there WAS NO INTRUDER!
There's one big thing I didn't mention. Why would they go through the long note and staging scene etc, but not follow through with most important part of leading police estray. By fooling them into thinking it was an intruder by screaming about the broken window downstairs or another open door. Or even made something look like breaking and entering upstairs.
Instead they basically said nothing all day and milled around long enough for the police to implicate them for the rest of history. It wasn't until Lou Smit brought up the idea of an intruder almost a year later that people might have thought otherwise and too little too late.
His company were salesmen. They sold a billion dollars of computer equipment that year. Sales is not milling around but being fast and smart and a CEO of sales would know there's a process of finishing a sale, no going halfway thru and not giving the pitch.
Why would anyone take all that trouble to write a complicated ransom note if they knew they'd already murdered her in the house?
It wasn't a note. It was a LETTER..LOL..It has Patsy written all over it. Look no further than her. She thought she killed her daughter, so she killed her daughter to cover it up. Not exactly sure when John got involved, but he knows the truth...
They wrote the note before she came home. They thought it would be easy to do, but in history almost all kidnapped people end up getting killed early on. I just put out a video on this subject today. Almost all kidnappings are weird and don't go well. czcams.com/video/Ymc1akFdvVM/video.html
@@Ramblingroads They? Mommy dearest killed her daughter..End of story.
@@rodscrivner7132 She couldn't even walk for a week let alone write a detailed note talking about killing her daughter and the writing isn't the same as hers anyway. Someone's prank fooled everyone.
@@Ramblingroads If you say so..This video is full of what is called "subjective truth". The rest of it is nothing more than what my professor used to call, "facts not in evidence." Since the perp is dead, and it's too late in the game for John to come clean there will be no conclusion(closure) to this tragedy. If you want to believe there is some unknown perp out there keeping a secret be my guest. By the way, your continuous use of the word "like", is a bad habit to get into. It makes this video annoying to listen to..
There’s a reason this story never leaves the headlines it shows the evil and corruption in our world
Yes, the beauty pageant aspect on this case has made media companies a lot of money over the years at the expense of actually finding out what happened.
@@Ramblingroads there’s so many layers to this one it takes you down so many rabbit holes
@@2FRESH-4U For sure. Its like the JFK of true crime.
@@Ramblingroadsi think JFK is the JFK of true crime
@@mj.l your right. I do need a better analogy. That one would be good to cover if I go to Texas, but would take weeks of research I imagine.
The Ramseys claimed to never have time for movies, yet their basement/playroom area was filled with movie posters. The Ramsey case has always mesmerized, frustrated, and aggravated me....Its a case where "too much evidence" is a bad thing, along with a contaminated crime scene. What I feel the "fork in the road" in theories/beliefs boils down to one main question. That question for me is, "Do you feel Patsy wrote the ransom note?" I've watched hours of documentaries, read tons on the case, and as much as I want to believe an intruder did it, I cant wholeheartedly believe that. I do not feel Patsy and John are/were murderers, but I do believe to protect their son and uppercrust reputations, I do feel Patsy wrote the note. The same year as the death of JB, they sent out Christmas cards that used the word "hence," just like in the note; The bonus/ransom request amount was oddly specific and similar, the maternal/feminine slant to the tone of things mentioned in the letter, the rough drafts of the letter, the mentioning of an attache, as Patsy loved words with diacritics (hence! JB name) -the mentioning of a "foreign faction" - a foreigner would never refer to themselves as foreign or a foreigner; aside from these red flags, the jealousy and aggressive behavior by Burke was a tad more violent than the average brother/sister relationship. He hit JB in the face with a golf club once; there was also the situation of him smearing feces in JB's bedroom, on some of her possessions, etc; And the biggest indicator to me, of an inside job......WHY WAS THE BODY NOT TAKEN? Why wouldnt a kidnapper still try to collect the money...regardless of whether she's alive or not....As for Burke, I do feel it was a tragic accident, with parents who were shocked and went into protection mode; I think Burke was a troubled boy with alot of hostility and anger issues; So when I look at things in totality, all arrows seem to point right back to the parents covering up an accident as a murder.
No doubt super complex and frustrating case. The JFC of true crime.
Remember there is a huge bias against the parents which is part of why I leaned the other way. The police and almost everyone think they are guilty so that makes a large bias in their case. I'm sure about 90 percent of the trail will lead anyone to the family because that's where they want everyone to go.
A few points I didn't mention in video but will later. If they wrote the ransom note, why not follow thru? Like why make a point to stage a scene and write a long note but not move police in direction of intruder theory. They did mention some things about the broken window etc hours later and months later Lou Smit really pushed the idea but if they were trying to push an intruder they would within the first hour yell or say "omg, that broken window downstairs and suitcase etc." Why wait hour and days for police to make the decision to find you guilty when you could yell about the window or even the butler door etc.
Patsy was a huge mess for days and couldn't even walk. The note is weird and feminine which is weird, but if she did it it was as if nothing big happened. She would have to be a complete psycho to do that. When the maid was told to write parts of the ransom note she freaked out and broke into tears. "If you..... she dies. If you .... she will be beheaded" etc. One reason why Patsy didn't want to talk to the police is because she couldn't write that letter like the house cleaner. She would have tears all over that paper. I wouldn't analyze the note much for small words she might have used in past etc. Plus the writing doesn't look like hers that much.
Burke just got a Nintendo 64 that day and is borderline Asperger's. I don't think he cared much about JonBenet or anyone else. He was in his own world. I think the golf club was an accident or even if he was pissed its possible. He defecated on his wall when he found out his mom had cancer. I don't think there's any proof he soiled her bed or things. He's the older brother and he could beat her up. If he was younger and could take advantage of him he might hit her with a flashlight but he could beat her up regardless since he was 3 years older.
Just having the movie posters doesn't mean your into them. Could be just decoration. I have hindu and Ying Yang decorations and other hippy stuff on my walls that I'm not necessarily into. Its the basement too so not even an important area of the house.
I'm not sure if you saw the other video on kidnappings I put out a couple days ago but all kidnappings go wrong, just like this one. Her being left there isn't weird because most kidnapped victims get killed right away or down the road. It just happened to be in her own home and not outside.
Yeah? But the DNA doesn’t match anyone in the family. So who is left, but an intruder? The DNA wasn’t mom, dad or brother.
The underpants JB was wearing weren't hers. They belonged to her older cousin. They were much too big for JB. Patsy came up with the explanation that "JB really liked her cousin's panties and wanted to have them and wear them."
Go ahead and file that under "S" for "STRANGE". Just like everything else in this cover up.
Mom wrote the letter
Patsy wrote the ransom note/letter. 100% facts.
Love how this guy is out walking around in nature when talking about this topics. It’s a nice switch up from the typical studio with a microphone on an arm.
Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it. Its tough to speak on the spot and do everything well, but its probably more interesting for some of the viewers instead of watching people who always research and film without leaving their home.
So a couple of things. I’m from Boulder and know the neighborhood well. Three blocks away up the ally there is a church. This church provides aid and services (counseling) to homeless. Gary Olsen was a regular at this church. In addition, a month after this happened the same type of thing happened to another family two blocks away from the Ramsey home where someone had broken into the house and attempted to kidnap a child (girl). The Boulder PD was 100% incapable of handling this case (sad, but true).
@@mw4724 yes, I heard that story about Amy and the intruder there. The boulder PD and that guy Eller is the biggest idiot on earth. No doubt it could be Olsen or any number of people. Too bad we probably won't ever know because of the low IQ police department.
Very professional the way he did this documentary. Greetings from Norway🇳🇴
@@misspolly2812 Thanks, appreciate it!
It only makes sense that Burke did this and the parents covered for him . An intruder would absolutely not have cocered jon benet in her favorite blanket . Only parents would do that . An intruder would never clean her body and redress her in her favorite underclothes . Only Patsy would do that . An intruder would never write a 2.5 page ransom note and leave the victims body in the house . That only points to Patsy and John staging the whole crime scene . Patsy wrote the ransom note . They did not stay together after the police arrived . They stayed in separate rooms that morning . They did not wait for any kidnapper to call them with instructions . They didnt even mention anything about the 10 am hour coming and going with no call coming in . John went straight to jon benets body and announced he had found her before even switching on the light in the dark cellar where she lay . Fleet White later turned his back on their friendship because he and his wife knew that the Ramseys were guilty . There was no evidence whatsoever of a break in . The Ramseys did this . The fact that they repeatedly lied plus changed their stories shows their obvious guilt .
1. Clean her body? She was in urine stained pajamas. Hardly clear.
2. An intruder could easily write a lengthy ransom note before the crime while lurking. The idea of anyone, family or intruder, writing it after the crime is challenging to believe.
3. John going to the body isn't really evidence. If he staged a scene, it doesn't make sense for him to want to discover it and unstage things.
If you think there is "obvious" guilt, you should probably not sit a jury. You don't know what reasonable doubt means.
Exactly. It's clear as day this was no intruder
@@captainpandabear1422the FBI said they never ever seen a ransom note like this so yeah . Some of the best FBI agents say the family did it but u know better 😅😅😅😂😂😂
Nothing you said here is true😂. Many rapists have redressed and cleaned their vicitms. You're listing YOUR OPINIONS and pretending they're facts. Saying absolutely would and would not have etc doesn't make it true.
@@CodyvsEveryonethey didn't say that. So many lay people assume incorrectly that if it's not a real ransom note then it has to be the parents and thst simply isn't true. Those aren't the only 2 scenarios. The note is a diversion. Either way. It was not a true ransom note bc there was no kidnapping. Lol. She wasn't kidnapped. Whoever wrote it did so to divert attn away from them. But that doesn't mean it was the parents. Who's DNA was in her ans the murder weapon? Also tell us why they didn't take this to trial if its so obviously the parents and there is so much actual evidence showing that and no evidence to the contrary.
Ive never heard of a ransom note that was more than one page long. Usually whoever is writing it gets straight to the point. That in itself is just completely suspicious
Usually that's the case but they might have been in there for hours anxious awaiting for them to come home. This case was a little different but super long instructions that could never even be carried out. people.com/crime/evil-genius-read-handwritten-instructions-pizza-bomber-brian-wells/
@Ramblingroads I subscribed. Wrote this as i was watching and finally saw your whole video and saw the part where you explained theories on the ransom note. Gotta admit, I never thought of any of that and was impressed with your video . 🤯🤯🤯
It's the strangest thing of all. It has no fingerprints on any of the 3 pages. Its really hard they could concoct such a bizarre letter so quickly knowing their daughter was dead in a horrific way. But it does appear they did. Was the letter ever actually on the stairs? Surely Patsy would automatically pick the papers up, there was no room for her to get by without danger of slipping. How could the letter then be placed on the floor by John to read without either of them touching it. Why on earth would he read it on the floor, people would hold it or read on a work top or table.
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No intruder. Inside job.
My first thought about ransom is- if I’m going pursue a ransom demand 118,000 is nowhere near what I would be asking.
What most people don't know who are clueless to facts of case an sure of a family cover up is that 118k was John's bonus amount months earlier it was on his pay stubs an a pay stub was beside the note pad on the desk that cops an many believe was used to write the random note. Many who don't know facts of case surely would wonder about an odd amount. 2 of biggest suspects had financial difficulty had keys to house many other reasons to try a kidnap that I believe turned murder when they couldn't keep JB quiet to get her to a car. I believe at least 1 of top 2 suspects was involved. They clearly knew everything they needed to pull this off an get away with it
@@davidwilliams4498 And the biggest suspect of all knew exactly how much John's bonus was.
I have followed the murder of Jobenet for years. Congratulations on an excellent comprehensive overview of this very sad case. May Jonbenet rest in Peace.
Thank, I really appreciate it and I'll do a follow up because there is always so much more to add or rebuke. Yes, super sad for jonbenet. I hope they are found.
Thank you. Gives a better sense of Boulder and the area around the house, and the back alley. You present it all so straightfowardly too, without being dramatic, thanks.
Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.
The interviews with the parents after jb death were so bizzare to say the least. They changed the narrative many times..Conveniently forgot things you would never forget. Things were very strange indeed..
I think her brother committed the initial crime by striking her in the head but her mother committed the murder by strangulation and then her mother did most of the cover-up. I'm not sure how involved her father was but I definitely think he knew about it and probably played a hand in the cover-up. The brother had built up jealousy towards Jon Benet because she was treated like a queen and something sent him into a jealous rage and he hit her over the head with a mag lite flashlight or a similar heavy object. Once Patsy realized the severity of the situation she came to the realization that she would essentially lose both children over this, Jon Benet to either brain damage or death and her son would most likely be committed to an institution until he was at least 18, so she decided to kill Jon Benet by strangulation and went into cover-up mode by writing a ransom note full of movie quotes that she had remembered over the years and eventually placing her body in a dark corner of the basement. Everything that was involved in the murder came from within the house including the rope, the notepad, and the pen used in the ransom note so if you Believe this was a kidnapping-gone-wrong you also have to believe this was a ransom-gone-wrong because the supposed ransom note, which is nearly identical to Patsy's handwriting, is really one of the only things that could point to an intruder. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the whole ransom motive is a farce because no one is going to break in a house and go into a dark corner and write this very long ransom note full of nonsensical movie quotes while also asking for the exact amount of John's bonus from work. Then go and either accidentally or intentionally murder the child in the house with stuff just laying around before even trying to pull off the ransom. If you believe the ransom note is real and this was some type of heist then you have to throw all logic out the window which is exactly why no one should ever believe this was a ransom-gone-wrong which also means it can't be a kidnapping-gone-wrong because they are intertwined and it makes absolutely no sense for a kidnapper to stage the ransom note that THEY WROTE INSIDE THE HOUSE if they are solely there to commit a kidnapping. First you'd be leaving possible finger prints and/or traces of DNA on the note pad/pen and you'd also be leaving evidence of your handwriting, not to mention you'd be spending precious time WRITING THE RANSOM NOTE INSIDE THE HOUSE, and that note was like 2½ pages long, which means you could easily get caught writing a ransom note that means absolutely nothing to the crime you are about to commit. Plus they say the intruder broke in and escaped through the basement so for them to write the ransom note they would have broke in, went upstairs where the notepad and pen were later found, wrote the note and then placed it on the staircase either before or after taking Jon Benet out of bed which was located upstairs.
Obviously I wholeheartedly believe that Patsy wrote the note to try and throw-off the investigation but it really is one of the main pieces of evidence that points to her being involved because it matches her handwriting. The police realized this early on but the DAs office has never wanted to prosecute the Ramsey's for this murder so they've just overlooked it but at the same time they bring it up when talking about the intruder theory because like I said it's really the only evidence they have for an intruder theory. I know they have supposed DNA from someone not related to Jon Benet or anyone in the house but I think there's something sketchy about that DNA because you'd think they'd try to use all of the advancements in DNA that have occurred since the mid-90s but they haven't really tried to do anything with it to date. They just use it as a talking point when saying it's definitive proof of an intruder but they've never used it to try and figure out who it really came from because they already know the Ramsey's committed the murder but have refused to prosecute them even after a grand jury indicted them on charges related to the murder/cover-up. The ransom note was obviously written by movie buffs and The Ramsey's were huge movie buffs evidenced by the fact that crime scene photos prove they had movie posters hung up all over their mansion. They were very rich people who could have afforded to decorate their mansion however they pleased and they decided to hang up movie posters so in my mind that proves they loved watching movies and if they love watching movies I don't think it's any stretch of the imagination to believe that they would know the movie quotes written in the ransom note.
Finally! I've thought a student since the beginning! It makes the most sense!
NONE OF THE FAMILY MATCHED THE MALE DNA FOUND ON JBR. Stick with the facts. It was Michael Helgoth..
I thought so TOO🤔‼️
YES to every single part of your theory!
You can go online an read the autopsy report. Coroner proved JB was Strangled 1st unconcious then the baseball bat found outside basement area is in police evidence was the last thing that finished her off. She had a huge crack in back of her skull that didn't even break skin. Coroner almost overlooked that. She would surely have bled much if she was hit 1st. She didn't. I'm clueless to why so many believe the accident hit where science an coroner proved that didn't happen . Though it's easy to believe a theory if you don't know police report an autopsy facts.
Thank you for your research! Ive watched 10hrs of coverage on this case in the past week, and you provide by far the most details.
Glad it was helpful! Appreciate it.
I'm 98% intruder, one who knew the family, possibly employed by John for a brief time. I think two people might have been in on it, one of them a woman, present at the time.
I agree. I think it was small group.
Housekeeper & her husband maybe .
Wow
This by far is ABSOLUTELY the best in-depth look into this case !
I love how you talked out different scenarios
Thanks a lot. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and subscribed. I just did a follow up on kidnappings in general to help understand the subject more and I'll have a few other videos on my thoughts on this over the next few months.
$118,000 is such an arbitrary number unless they knew what John Ramsey’s bonus was
As a Serbian, I can tell you that it would have been really hard to get American residence permit at that time, and even if you'd be a refugee for Balkan you would not be able to do college in any American states 😕.
It's more then a half hour note, it is 20 minutes just to copy it, more if you have to think what to write, plus the practice note. Who would take all that time with the parents in the house? Kidnappers take the kid out of the house, even if she is dead, all they had to do was walk out of the front door. Dead body in the house means no ransom money. It was the brother, the parents covered it up, Parents didn't know he would of gotten just a slap on the wrist and even if they did they didn't want the scandal of having a son that killed his sister, it would have hurt the family's reputation it would have hurt John's business. That footprint could have been old, maybe John's when he broke in, who knew that they came down that particular staircase since they had 2? Patsy and John saw and read the note, why aren't their finger prints on that note? Unless they wore gloves and why would they be wearing gloves as soon as they get up from bed? They had to have picked them up since they were overlapped in order to read the pages. The DNA means nothing, it was so small and contaminated, touch DNA is useless, the mother undressed and put her pajamas on her, there should have been her touch DNA but nothing. Attachè si a french word, Patsy had a thing with french sounding words, Johnbenet, their dog named Jacques was named by Patsy
There's other things I didn't mention that would be important. Like why would they go through the long note and staging scene, but not follow through with most important part of leading police estray, by fooling them into thinking it was an intruder by screaming about the broken window downstairs or another open door. Or even made something look like breaking and entering upstairs.
Instead they basically said nothing all day and milled around long enough for the police to implicate them for the rest of history. It wasn't until Lou Smit brought up the idea of an intruder almost a year later that people might have thought otherwise and too little too late.
His company were salesmen. They sold a billion dollars of computer equipment that year. Sales is not milling around but being fast and smart and a CEO of sales would know there's a process of finishing a sale, no going halfway thru and not giving the pitch.
That’s actually insane that the person spotted at the house at around 5.30 was never looked into, because Lou smit Said that the person probably was already inside the house at the time they were at the party. A college student should definitely not be ruled out
For sure. In general they needed to ask everyone in the neighborhood what they saw but they only asked immediately neighbors. I'm sure If they did they would learn much more.
What mostly seems to be ignored is the dire consequences of calling the police, yet they did so. The note didn't just say she would be killed, rather that she would be beheaded! The ransom money was trivial to John so why would they ignore the fact that, if the ransom note is genuine, then calling the police just signed JonBenet's death warrant.
Yes, that's true. I've been doing a lot of these videos lately and I'm shocked how almost every person will call the police right away even when they say not too. I wonder how many of these situations would turn out if they paid the money and didn't call the police. I think at least some would work out much better.
Have you ever considered looking into the Maura Murray case? I would love to hear your take on that case!
My early theory was always the brother did it and the parents are covering it up, but now I wonder if it was someone else they're covering for (presumably themselves). Regardless of who killed her, they seem pretty clearly involved. Patsy wrote the ransom note. That seems extremely difficult to deny at this point.
However, the stun gun marks and blood on her underwear make me think it was someone outside the family, probably Michael Helgoth. His suicide basically the moment a "new lead" was announced is pretty telling. Either he did it or he thought it would be pinned on him; it's also possible he interfered with JonBenet at some point, causing him fear that his DNA would be found, but wasn't the person who killed her.
I always wonder now if the dad struck a deal with someone allowing them to "break in" (while leaving the door unlocked for them) and have his way with his daughter, only for it to go differently than anticipated. No one came in through the basement window that night; that much is obvious, unless you're telling me the spiders in the window were also in on it. What was the dad potentially getting out of it? Hell if I know. The family was well-off and Helgoth probably had nothing they wanted. The father's DNA under her nails could be relevant or it could also mean nothing more than they were horsing around that day, or she had a tantrum and accidentally scratched him in the process, or something else completely irrelevant. This sounds way too out-there even for me, but if trying to make sense of this evidence were easy, the case wouldn't still be open a quarter century later.
Another possibility is that her brother didn't do it, but in the moment John and Patsy assumed he did (why would they believe he didn't, given his history?) and went into panic mode, "covering up" a crime their son never committed and destroying actual evidence in the process. It'd explain why they were so damn weird about it. Either at the time of interviews given they still believed Burke had committed the crime, or they realized how badly they'd fucked up and were afraid of the consequences.
The evidence lines up in a way that both things seem proven true. Someone outside the family was involved, and so was the family. But that's nearly impossible to make sense out of. So here we continue, decades later, trying to make the pieces fit.
The end prongs on Burke's toy train tracks match perfectly to those 2 marks as well. Train 🛤
I'm not sure who did it. But Patsy Ramsey wrote The Ransom note. over 250 similarities in the ransom note and Patsy's handwriting. That Ransom note has Patsy Ramsey written all over it!
I would read and compare yourself. A few things are similar but I think Cina Wong and ABC news were just looking for sensationalism. Patsy couldn't even walk for about 3 days because she was so upset. Unless she's the best actor and biggest psycho in history, I think its doubtful. But anything is possible.
@@Ramblingroads Well, maybe she was distraught over her dreams dying again. She didn't quite hack it, as the Beauty queen when she was younger.. Not to the extent she would've liked.. So she was living Vicariously through the little girl. Then when she was deceased, it meant all her hopes/dreams had died again. When your dreams get smashed to pieces. Of course, you're going to be upset.
@@Ramblingroads "Unless she's the best actor and biggest psycho in history, I think its doubtful. "
So why was she peeping through her hands while pretending to cry? It's disturbing how easily you have been taken in by the ridiculous charade.
I believe it was the brother and the family covered it up as to not lose both their children in the same night
they never shedded any tears
That's not true. There's interviews where Patsy is sobbing. And unless she's as good as Meryl Streep, it is completely authentic and she's a mother suffering from gut wrenching grief and loss. Only thing I'm certain about in this whole case is Patsy had nothing to do with it.
Only people working in John's office knew the dollar amount in the ransom note. Unless you specifically know of an intern working in his office with access to classified documents; the University theory holds no water. Patsy was peeking through her hands while he daughter was laying in living room to see if others including the small town police were buying the performance. John and Patsy did a masterful job of taking advantage of a small town police force in totally destroying the crime scene. They then were given the unreal ability to control and influence the investigation. The duct tape on JBR's mouth was undisturbed showing she was deceased when it was put on. The ransom note has letters very similar to PR. There are so many things that weigh heavily on the immediate family covering this sad story up. I assume after what happened in the home; they coldly went into disaster recovery mode which clearly showed in their interviews and work with police. They got away with this to your point as they were smart and used the local setting to drive their narrative. As a larger tax payer; I am sure the local government did not want to lose this money either. It makes sense they would turn a blind eye and cover things up even ruining the careers of honest people trying to solve the case.
Anyone could have learned about the ransom if they found out about the bonus. John Andrew lived in a bit frat house up the road. He could have had people over to party when his parents were gone and someone learned of it.
If they went so far out of their way to write note and stage scene then why wouldn't they scream out "there's a window open downstairs!" Why give a half ass staged scene but not fully lead them astray? He could have led them in that direction in the first ten minutes but he basically never made a big deal of that and police found them guilty. Maybe they weren't sure if she was dead but put duct tape on anyway. Its not like there has to be massive disturbance. It was moved twice at least too. I don't think the ransom note looks like Patsy's handwriting.
I think people mostly think Patsy did it for the same reason most people can't solve this riddle. "A father and son are involved in a serious car accident. The father dies instantly while the son is airlifted to hospital in a critical condition. When the son arrives at emergency, a surgeon walks in, looks at the patient, and says, ‘I can’t operate on this boy, he’s my son’. So, who is the surgeon?"
Since its so rare for a woman to do that job or be a kidnapper no one can think its possible so they assume Patsy did it and then find evidence to support it and not doubt there are many things, but also there are many reasons they didn't. They had no motive where dozens of others did and she was in such a bad state for at least a week so there's no way she could easily write things like, she dies, beheaded etc without smudges from tears. Its one of reasons she didn't want to talk to police and the maid had a hard time writing those words too and broke into tears. She couldn't have done it unless she was the most cold blooded killer.
The police didn't do a full investigation and believed the family did it. They were the ones to ruin any possible cooperation when they at first refused to give their daughter back unless the family did an interview. Not just illegal but highly immoral.
You are clueless to facts in the case an you must not have read the easy to find online police report...John's bonus amount was on his pay stubs he had a paycheck stub laying on desk right beside the note pad that was suspected of being used. Also a few movie quotes from posters in her basement walls was written in the ransom letter. All this because your comment way off about only a co worker knew John's bonus amount..
@@Ramblingroadsmen get real ain’t nobody writing no three page ransom with Jon exact bonus amount to kidnap a child only to kill them in the home and leave their body in the basement, like be so for real
@@davidwilliams4498 Risible clutching at straws. Patsy did it.
ive gone back and forth with this case over the years and have been fully convinced that it was patsy. that's my final answer
It's the only thing that makes sense. It's worth considering other theories, just for the what if, but come on, just looking at evidence, it's obvious it's her.
I agree the house is totally a pig sty...every single room! Its not only unexpected its shocking!
I know. What a mess. Maybe it's also because police ransacked it a bit. A cleaner would definitely have a tough job.
This is by far the best deep dive on the JBR tragedy on CZcams. Great job, thanks for sharing.
Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. I should have a video this Sunday or next Sunday about kidnappings history and movies at that time and it offers some interesting points. Have a great weekend!
I just wanna point out some things that I’ve never seen others consider odd. And out of context, sure. But out I. This specific context, let’s really dig in.
- why did John shower that morning if the family was going to get ready when they landed later that day? I’m almost positive it was to wash off any dna he may have had on him.
- Where was the luggage that they supposedly packed the night before?
- how did patsy ramsey step over that note on the tight spiral staircase to the step below? Did she jump over the note to the step below?
- why was a suitcase used under the broken window when a chair and actual stool were in plain view of the window.
- can people write (style wise) similarly. Sure. Can people write similarly in the same town. Absolutely. But what are the infinitesimal odds that someone kidnaps your daughter and has your handwriting. We are talking one in MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.
- why did John initially say he read to the kids that night but then say Jon benet was never awake? Was it just a mistake?
- why all the lies and hiding the bedwetting? I won’t even get into the SA implications that comes with it, but let’s talk about patsy publicly saying it wasn’t an issue to the point that she never mentioned it to doctors. We know it was in JBs medical records. We know that she had a specific washer and drier hidden in an upstairs cabinet unit just for wet bedding. We know that the usual sheets weren’t on the bed that night. We know the blanket that she was found wrapped in was usually tucked neatly under the comforter and would have likely messed up the bed worse than how it was found had it been taken off unless they took time to remake the bed.
These points always bother me the most.
I had a feeling you were working on this specific case! Glad you covered it and I saw some new footage. Really conprehensive and enjoyable and Im npt even a true crime fiend.
Thanks and I'm glad you appreciate it. I was def not into this case back in the day, but it truly is really weird at so many angles. That's why some people have channels dedicated to this subject. I'm still learning more and I'll do a follow up in a few months. I'd just do travel and other videos but they don't do as well as true crime.
@Ramblingroads I definitely enjoy your travel content but this stuff is definitely getting the views amd growing your channel. Hopefully a nice balance can be found.
@@AchRock1509 Thanks. Yes, for sure I had to change something things cause there just wasn't any momentum for almost 3 years now. I hope to do something like a mix of true crime and traveling to cool places. A good mix and match that I hope most people can enjoy, but people want some story or something more interesting then just regular travel.
She was in the basement at 552 in the moring when they called 911 she was already dead linda told john to check the house he went to the base and found her that proves she never went missing
you make some excellent points. it's important to focus on the "bigger picture," as you say, and not get bogged down in small details, regardless of your leanings. i like to think that this case will one day be solved, but i have serious doubts. RIP JB.
They all knew that the parents did it
I think Burke, who was already envious of all the attention JB got, whacked her on the head with a flashlight that was on the table, which fatally cracked her skull open, because she ate some of his pineapple and Patsy made the decision to cover it up without her husband's knowledge (I truly don't think he knew). She knew her daughter was dead, so made the practical and calculated decision to save her son's, her own and her husband's reputation rather than deal with the fallout of what Burke had done and the devastating effect it on her life it would have had. The murder did have ultimately have a devastating effect on all their lives, but not in the same way.
I just wrote more or less the same but can’t find my comment
I just wrote almost the same thing too. Only I went into more about the children's relationahip etc. Can't find my comment or I would erase it.
There's no way Burke did that to her skull. It was a grown and really strong man. Her skull was cracked 8 inches. A skinny little 11 year old boy has no way off inflicting that kind of damage.
The male DNA found on Jon Benet did not match anyone in the family or friends and the Boulder PD and DA publicly apologized to them. I believe the blonde guy you show, Michael Helgoth did it. He had been a handyman at the house, had a history of sexual misconduct with kids. He wore the size 10 Hi Tech boots that left the print under the basement window. He also had a black Maglite which was found on the Ramsey's table and never found in Helgoth's place. The day after the PD announced they had a new lead Helgoth killed himself and his family has always refused his or their DNA sample. Lou Smit said he believed the family did it just based on the media but was sure they were not involved once he arrived at the house from LA.
Never heard this before. That sounds completely plausible, cause it was definitely someone who knew the family. I have never felt it was the parents.
The scene of his suicide looks staged too. The stun gun and HI Tec boots clearly set out. I believe it happened after police stated they were near arresting a suspect. In the 90s I don't know how easy it was to check communication between people. Wonder how well he knew John, if he was their usual handyman? Just feel in gut now there was a group, and 1 or more were filming Jonbenet. John was part of the group, or at least was aware what was happening. He admitted he had failed to set the alarm system that night when they went out to the dinner party. Still can't see how anyone would be so cruel to this poor little girl.
Doesn’t mean anything just could mean the dna was left on there by the manufacturer if they were new underwear
I heard that Helgoth's DNA was not a match
it was TOUCH dna from who knows where There was no semen. Helgoth's dna was not found at the crime scene. The dna in the crotch of Jonbenet's panties shared 10 loci with Burke Ramsey, his dna and skin cells along with her blood were on the pink Barbie nightgown!! The grand jury proved with the evidence Burke did it and the parents covered it up.
I can't even continue with this video lol
This video is a man running his mouth like a lunatic for hours.
It really begins and ends with the note. By all expert accounts pat wrote it. Just the fact that it was written in house and it took two attempts. All that time while kidnapping.
I think most experts didn't think she wrote it. You can look at it yourself but its not that similar. They didn't have motive and there was no DNA regardless. So many people had motive to do something bad and the family had no motive. Another girl named Amy was attacked months later by an intruder who broke in while they were out and the Boulder PA did nothing.
Just the opposite: No expert has been definitively able to pin the note on Mrs. Ramsey.
Actually the “experts” will tell you that she scored a 1.5 out of 5. This means there’s close to a 90% chance that she didn’t write it. So, you don’t know what you’re talking about
I really enjoyed your interpretation and relating of the events.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I could be totally wrong but at least I like to give a different perspective.
That is the first time that anyone I have known of has read the whole ransom letter
Haha, I kind of had to to make sure the viewers knew what I was talking about and could make their own opinion. When I was originally thinking about making the video I thought it wouldn't take long. I didn't realize it was like the JFK of true crime. I could have spent a year researching it and I still am. Super interesting case.
@@Ramblingroads yes it sure was 🙂have a wonderful night how bless you & your family thanks for sharing your thoughts I really like watching your channel
@@Ana44446 Thanks so much. Really appreciate it and that you're enjoying the channel. Hopefully I don't disappoint ya. Have a great weekend and take care.
The mother did it and they all covered it up.
Yeah? The DNA isn’t that of anyone in the family, including the mother. So explain that?
@@bradleycrookston4367 Non-sterile crime scene, means nothing.
@@TheMarlinspike lol you means nothing though, when the DNA doesn’t match and found not them.
Intruders. However, they didn't seem to be concerned or worried that they could have been caught by Patsy or Jon at any moment. What if one of them woke up and noticed that JB wasn't in her room? They would start looking for her around the house. Also, it's baffling that they could carry the child out of her room so quietly without her screaming or something.
Great video btw. I agree with your pov.
What we know about what happend to her is children who d-e from str-ngulation shows us its cause of 2 reasons. One to rid the offender of the victim to prevent talking OR TWO it happens as an accident during rough s-xual Abuse. When kids are eliminated by the second reason it's due to Str-ngulation from throttling. THIS is textbook of what happend to her.
I don't know how things worked in the 90s in the US, but I wouldn't know how much salary or bonus my colleagues get let alone with the precision given in the Ransom Note (RN). It's confidential information. John Ramsey was the CEO, so I can't imagine a lot of people knew about his bonus or savings.
Looks like John and Patsy wrote the RN together. They threw in those numbers to make it more believable which honestly has the opposite effect for me.
Your coverage is the best!
Thanks so much! Glad you appreciate it.
Kids also wet beds because of SA. I think the dad was letting business partners . . take advantage, if you know what I mean. And one of them went too far and the Ramsey's tried to cover it to keep their high paying job, status, mansion, and the family together.
I do the dishes at my house. My fingerprints are probably on everything in the cabinets.
For sure and I imagine whoever came in used gloves.
The brother did it,,,, big cover-up
I understand that the local police department was not used to handling such a crime, but one would think that a police force with even the slightest experience in the 20th century would understand the concept of "secure the crime scene". Cop shows have been around a long time.
Exactly an it's a big college town. Never heard of a police force not bring a dog to track a scent on a kidnap call. They would have found JB right away not 6 hours later an maybe track a scent to a suspect neighbor door or car.. suspicious beyond measure Boulder police. Joke beyond measure glad I never lived or raised kids there.
Well done sir! I have been on the fence about this since it happened. I think you have just convinced me that it was an intruder.
Cheers, I'm glad you enjoyed. Although this video is super detailed, there's so much more I do need to go into. Although I lean towards intruder I will do more a video about the family doing it because there is many reasons there and to be fair since its more popular. But in the end its tough to think they wrote that long ass weird note and were even awake.
@@Ramblingroadsweird how cause a real intruder/kidnapper gonna keep a ransom note simple and short as possible and their gonna take the child out the home if leaving a ransom note
The ransom letter stating “the delivery will be exhausting, so make sure to be well rested”…….that is very very odd.
Yes, and Patsy was very, very odd.
People write all kinds of weird things and they might have had a long complicated plan. The pizza delivery guy Brian Well's had a bomb around his neck and pages of instructions that were much longer then 2 and a half pages. people.com/crime/evil-genius-read-handwritten-instructions-pizza-bomber-brian-wells/
I find it interesting that there were no fingerprints on the ransom note. That means neither of the parents picked it up to read it. By itself isn't too strange, but when you think about how Patsy saw it on the stair, did she read the first part of the letter upside down? Did she skip the stair it was lying on in order to turn around and read it? If so, she'd have to skip over the stair again that the note was sitting on to go back up to check JB's room. Unless the letter was positioned to be read from someone coming down the stairs, it doesn't make sense to me. I've never heard anything where it states the direction the letter was positioned in, facing toward the upstairs, or toward the downstairs.
No doubt another super weird thing about the case. I would think many people would have handled it before it was placed into evidence but to find almost nothing is odd for sure.
It just hit me, the lab was probably told..,'besides Ramsey's....Then, had to keep the lie?
No she didn't find it . She wrote it and claimed she found it on the stairs .
Read police report listen to the 911 call it's available online. If your not familiar with facts it can lead you all over the place.
I literally used to hang out close by there because we had a friend that has a place there in college. Boulder is a lovely place but has a homeless population. One time I ran across a video of a homeless man who had confessed to the murder or hinted at it in jail or something and I believe it was him. Family members said he was an extremely disturbed person even growing up doing very similar things that was done to the child.
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@@onesolvedmystery2274 oh didn't know that then I guess it's still a mystery
I don’t think it was a student. They wouldn’t have access to john’s bonus.
There were checks and pay stubs all over. Each paycheck he got mentioned his bonus. Also, one of his disgruntled ex employees was owed about $118,000 so it could have been something thru work too.
I think the experienced investigators who rebuilt the scene on the CBS documentary nailed it.
Thank you for this very good Video about that case. I cant remember how i heard about it, but it stays in my mind. I do believe that someone of the Family did it.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed. I never knew much about it until I finally researched it recently. I didn't know it was like the JFK of true crime. I'm not sure if its the family or intruder either. Even though I did so much research there's still sooo much more stuff and a lot of good evidence for family too so I'm looking into that too for another video in a few months.
Once again, the Male DNA found on JBR did not match anyone in the family or anyone they had over that night. Michael Helgoth did it.
I also think someone in the family did it and I think Patsy wrote the ransom note. Someone was sexually abusing her too.
Thank you, I appreciate you covering multiple theory’s, it’s really refreshing. Great work.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed. If you like that style I made several other true crime videos in Colorado too! Have a great weekend!
The constant criticism is the beauty pageant issue. If you scroll through the comments, it is constantly mentioned. In certain circles, pageantry is something young girls yearn to do. My parents could not afford the expense, but I definitely would have participated if possible. My mother adored me and dressed me as if I were her personal baby doll. My hair was coiffed perfectly and I loved everything feminine. I also had a bed wetting and an issue with female infections. JonBenet was distraught that her mother could have died. Of course, she wet the bed!
My father never touched or even looked at me undressed. One doctor accused him of the same thing, and ironically I was molested by two male DCF investigators, while they claimed to be examining me. My parents were so harassed and bullied, they did not realize what I was trying to tell them happened until I brought it up as an adult. Kids under severe stress like losing a parent do things like wetting the bed.
In my observation, the bullies are the unattractive girls and not the Regina Georges of the world. If you watch the Kendall Rae and Stephanie Harlowe collaboration, it is obvious that too many viciously jealous women hate Patsy and will say anything to justify their persocution. I could not believe how horrible and disgusting the two of these jealous and childish girls acted, as I respected them before their disgusting video.
The policewoman involved in the case was horrible and unprofessional. She looked at Patsy, and her jealousy consumed her. She is the typical ignorant hick cop who is shown irrefutable evidence, looks away and says, "nope, they done it!"
I can relate to too much evidence put forward in this case to accept the accusations of armchair sleuths that makes no sense and can be refuted on every level.
I am glad someone was willing to stand up and admit that the biases are either of hatred, jealousy or blindness. I just wonder how possible it actually would have been to solve this case had it not been for the nearsightedness.
Yes, I think the pageantry issue def made a lot of people unhappy. Even people who were on the grand jury in Boulder said they didn't like the family for that reason. That's a great point. I thought her bedwetting was anxiety because of doing shows but the fear of her mother dying would be big. I know Burke smeared his bathroom with feces when he heard his mom had cancer so that makes sense. Yes, its a certain type of group that def hates the Ramsey's out of jealousy. They won't accept DNA or any evidence. I made the mistake of posting my video on reddit and got hundreds of angry messages. I am a flat earther for thinking an intruder might have done it. Yes Linda Arnt was just a dumbass cop. Just going off emotions to find them guilty instead of facts. I hope my video changes some peoples minds and I'll keep on working on it. Cheers.
Her body showed heavy signs of sexual abuse but go off…. Read the book one of the detectives write in this case
@@Ramblingroadsboth children were more than likely being molested. Jonbenet for a fact was she had bad damages down there. Documented and discussed by police. Read the book one of the detectives wrote on the case I beg you. In my opinion something sinister was going on, her grandfather was linked to notorious fox island which was busted for a pedophike ring in 1975. And ghislaine Maxwell was literally photographed several times at different pagents. The detective who wrote the book also stated the DA at the time was more than likely corrupt because he made the investigation impossible he didn’t even really make the Ramsays come in for questioning and he let patsy take sooooo much shit from an active crime scene
@@sarahcosgrove6771 I will, but I'm not sure how valid that is, because on the CBS documentary those 2 guys mentioned it didn't seem like a big deal. But that doesn't mean John was doing that. If he did he'd be busted by now because pedo's reoffend the most.
Chile ain’t nothing to be jealous of regarding patsy I just think I just find her behavior very odd throughout this murder of her daughter along with Jon and Burke and she was caught in lies and that’s why I think she was involved not cause she was considered a beautiful beauty queen
I can tell you exactly what happened. Mother suspected father of being attracted to JBR. Hence highlighted incest in dictionary. Since mother is narcisstic her actual concern is then jealousy. Father is carrying her maybe to bed mother confronts him about it loses temper swings at him he turns she ends up hitting JBR. She doesnt die but ends up fitting. Now they are both in trouble but know she wont live. They cant call anyone for medical attention. They tske her to cellar and MOTHER finishes the job with strangulation fakes the kidnapping. The bosldy is not meant to be found so she wasnt tied up. They would move it later. This is why ehen they knew she be discovered John rushes down and quickly ties her. It was a rush job hence not tight and one even falls off her wrist. This is the only possible explanation and why it was not entirely deliberate and why both parents had no option but to go along with it
As a victim of child sexual abuse and physical abuse i can tell you the parents did it. The mom caught the dad and then a terrible accident happened out of anger. They had the money to cover it up.
THAT HOUSE BEING THAT MESSY, EVEN WITH A HOUSEKEEPER, TELLS ME THAT THAT HOUSE HAD CHAOTIC DARK SPIRITS IN IT TO BEGIN WITH. 😈 #RIPJONBENET❤
Yup comes out every night when everybody is sleeping 😂
Smart people do dumb things all the time
You put a lot of work into this mini-doc. I am glad to see more regular non corporate media types look into this case. One more compliment before I disagree with you [sarcastic grin]: I am glad you brought up the Grand Jury findings - I put a lot of weight into their conclusion that was suppressed for years. In my opinion however, the note was 100% written by Patsy Ramsey and both parents covered up a crime that was done probably by Burke or possibly both Patsy and Burke. John Ramsey knows exactly and 100% what actually happened - again IMO.
Thanks appreciate it. I'm still not sure either. I think maybe its possible that Patsy wrote the note, but it didn't look that much like her handwriting to me. About 6 months after JonBenet was killed a girl named Amy who went to same dance school as JonBenet had an intruder in the home while they were gone and he molested her before her mother heard something and he jumped out the window when confronted. The police didn't really look into it much or interview the owner of the dance school. I think there's a chance the maids daughter might have been involved to since she helped her mom about a month before that. Either way its tough to say for me.
Imagine sending Burke to a Friends house next morning and his Sister Sopposedly Kidnapped!!!...you would keep your Child on your Hip never mind packing him off to a Friends House..
exactly
Patsy answered the door in full makeup and wearing the same clothes as the night before. She never went to bed that night. The ransom note was her pad, her pen, and the handwriting matched Patsy's. Whatever happened that night nobody knows. But Patsy 100% wrote that note.
You got it wrong already in the first two minutes. She rang 911 hung up the rang 2 sets of friends
I'm giving a brief overview of what happened at the beginning and later I go into the details and mention how they had their 4 friends and paster over and how crime scene was contaminated etc.
And there was a author to the note there was no ransom note killer it became a homicide thats how you know there in no ransom note killer
Very good video
Thanks, really appreciate it:)
I don’t understand why someone would write a note if she was already passed. That’s what makes me think it’s a cover up. Something about leaving that long of a note just seems so odd… poor baby I hope she’s really happy now 💕
She was unfortunately killed before they could get her out of the house. In almost all kidnappings they get killed at the beginning or later on by accident. I hope she's in a better place too. Sad case.
When you see what was done to her, how can anyone get over that. Poor little girl.
Good video and it makes sense
Thanks. I'm not set on the students doing it. It could def be anyone who knows them, but they might still have thousands of admission papers they might be able to go thru to see if 2 and a half page ransom note matches any of them. They have no leads in 28 years. It seems like a reasonable thing to at least look into if the neighbor thought he saw a student go towards the home.
Jonbenet Ramsey and myself have the exact same birthday August 6th 1990 so in a way I feel connected to follow this case like I have since I was 14 years old. This isn't hard to figure out the boulder police department seems to be dragging their feet because they know who did it but they can't release the obvious. People say they messed up the crime scene but forget that the original call was for a kidnapping not a homicide! I strongly advise anyone to watch the Linda Arndt interview on here and you'll stop thinking about conspiracy theories because it's really not that difficult to solve and it's ashame that a child will never get justice unless a death bed confession is made.
If you haven’t figured it out by now you’re either remarkably ignorant or very pro-Ramsey.
Well ok. CBS was sued an lost many millions pushing the joke Burke did it theory. Former Boulder detective Thomas was sued an lost pushing the Patsy did it an lost in court with 0 facts to back up his book that he talked about writing while trying to to solve a case. Who murdered JB. I'd love to know like many thousands others. Bring your proof with your opinion.....
I'm not pro anything. Just open minded. People can't get out of their box for reason they can't easily figure out this puzzle.
"A father and son were in a car accident where the father was killed. The ambulance brought the son to the hospital. He needed immediate surgery. In the operating room, a doctor came in and looked at the little boy and said I can't operate on him he is my son. Who is the doctor?
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Since the ransom note has a feminine tone it would be super doubtful another woman would have written it so everyone concludes that the mother wrote it and finds the story to fit the narrative. The same reason even a feminist can't realize a surgeon can be a woman.
Its rare that a woman other then Patsy would have written it but very possible.
50:46 I really doubt jon benet had "had some fruit cups hoarded in her room becauze she is NOT going to come up in the middle of the night...you ARE NOT leaving that room all night". Why would you assume that? What a strange assumption for the creator to make. I left my room at 5 overnight. Not all 5 year olds are scared of the dark or afriad to leave their room. I loved leaving my room! No one awake, I can do what I want!
5 year old girls going into the basement of huge old houses like that? Just because you did doesn't mean anyone else did. I remember many kids being afraid of basements.
I think jon benet fell down the spiral stairs in the middle of the night and hit her head. They got scared that someone would think they did it and they might lose their son so tried to make it look like a kidnapping. I think when Patsy described the note on the stairs in one of her interviews it was really jonbenet she was talking about and not the letter. That's why it was so easy for her to describe what happened. She just replaced jonbenet with the letter on the stairs.
Its possible. Or that Burke or someone hit her in the head, but did you see her fracture of her skull? czcams.com/video/LisTaOE7VkI/video.htmlsi=8OtE07N-ckPBqde8&t=2296. That's pretty much the top of her head with something like a mag flashlight. Unless she fell directly on top of her head its tough to think that would happen. But no doubt the family could have been involved regardless and something happened by accident.
So rather than frantically call 911 and tell the truth they would fabricate a huge lie? This little girl was bludgeoned and half her skull was crushed plus she was molested!
Read police report. Go online read autopsy report look at brutal photos. Coroner clearly proved JB was clearly choked unconcious then the baseball bat found outside basement area is in police evidence was the blow that finished her off. If she was hit or fell 1st she would have bled much....She did not. Facts in a case are important . If you don't know them you might easily believe another theory.
Excellent coverage
If they had parties often, large ones at 150. They probably use a catering service which a lot of young college students or temps, day laborers get those jobs. Could’ve been somebody that was in the house before and John just rubbed him the wrong way and they seen an opportunity to extort the family. Idk just a thought. This case still puzzles mean you think you have it figured out there are so many directions it can go in. Although very rare scenarios as usually children are killed from their own family members, it’s not completely impossible It was someone from outside the home.
No doubt. In the movie Ransom one of the woman who catered at the rich guys house became the kidnapper. I think it could be any person who was jealous which could have been a lot of people. In the next 2 weeks I'll have a video that looks at kidnappings and movies at that time. Ironically in Speed and the movie Ransom its a cop or ex cop who is perpetrator. Maybe someone in the Boulder pd. They were so set on family doing it. Maybe it was them.
john was suppose to have a basturd son which came their every christmas for money then would leave until the next year but john did not give him any money that year and he was very mad and so he wrote the letter and killed the little girl to get back at him .
That's interesting. Someone else mentioned that. I'll have to look into it.
I've always believed this to be a revenge killing. It had nothing to do with money/ranson. The note was just a taunt. John really pissed somebody off
@@islesofshoals3551 That could def be the case. Whenever anyone is head of a huge company there can be tons of disgruntled employees. I think he had up to 400 employees at the time. Even if they didn't do it they could have paid someone to do it.
Definitely the brother killed her and parents covered it up I think
Putting a little Girl, in beauty pageants is just wrong in my eyes, that is putting her little life in jeopardy because there’s so many pedifiles out there and they are always at risk I would never put my daughter in them
Yes, no doubt. Its def inappropriate and could put her in harms way. But her mother was Miss W. Virginia and had stage 4 cancer so she didn't have the time to wait for her to grow up either. She probably would have never thought in a million years her daughter would pass away before her.
@@Ramblingroads yes that’s so true I agree I hope jonbenet gets the justice that she deserves soon
@@Ana44446 I hope so to. Its such a sad case. If it is an intruder I hope the family can get peace also.
John Ramsey said they never would have put Jon Benet in these pageants if they had know how dangerous it could be. Contrary to the media’s portrayal, pageants were a small part of Jon Benet’s life.
@@RamblingroadsI actually see the pageants as more evidence as to why Patsy would NOT have committed this crime. She was living vicariously through her daughter. In fact, I was shocked when you said she’d choose JonBenet over Burke, as you’re the first one I’ve ever heard state the obvious. She’d probably want Burke to get in trouble if he killed her precious prize. Being a not so great parent doesn’t make her a murderer. I do wonder if maybe the Ramseys know who did kill JB since they behave as if they know more than they let on. Perhaps the killer held Patsy at gunpoint and forced her to write that insane note. Maybe the killer or killers told her they’d kill JonBenet if she didn’t do it. Just as plausible as anything else. Not saying it’s what happened, but if it is, there’s no way for the Ramseys to explain that away without implicating themselves even more. In any case, I think the family is innocent.
And IF you were honest with yourself, you should have titled this video, “Why the parents did not do it!”
Right off the bat you already making molding everything to fit the “intruder” theory, to the point that the intruder was doing some foreign currency exchange rate to explain away the $118’000 ransom pay.
I probably will change the title when I make another video leaning on the possibility that the family did it more so there are 2 videos. Ironically John was the one to tell police his bonus was $118,000. If he wanted to point to an intruder he wouldn't chose that amount of money and he should have pushed the idea that the suitcase and broken window were probably responsible, but he was pretty aloof. The police thought they were guilty right away so he had to lawyer up fast. Plus the police said they wouldn't give back their daughters corpse unless they did an interview on the police terms. Totally immoral and illegal. The family made mistakes and have some changes in stories anyone could have made but the police totally messed up the investigation too. I'm def not one just to side with criminals. I think most people from OJ to even George Floyd are criminals. But when the police totally messed up I'm not just going to take their side. I don't see a big reason why the family would do that. Even if the intruder didn't get downstairs I'm sure there's a possibility that one of the doors was open like in the kitchen. Most people weren't that secure in the 90's like today. 9 months later another young girl Amy was sexually assaulted in Boulder when an intruder snuck in their home. I think someone like a Bryan Kohberger or group of people like that who might have been enemies or students did this kind of thing. A lot of people had a reason to hate John and Patsy. I don't see the motive the parents had. Bedwetting is normal and Burke is the older brother so he could beat her up without using a huge flashlight. He would never get any sentence or even be tried (you have to be at least ten), so why should the parents possibly put blame on themselves when they could do serious time in prison?
@@Ramblingroads Honestly, I myself am on the fense, a clear cut of 50/50 on this case. But it seemed to me that you created a video that's bending backwards to prove that the Ramseys are innocent. That's what's bothering me, speaking for myself.
@@Ramblingroads And I never believed that Patsy killed her daughter over bedwettting.
#1. JonBenet was her life extension, her daughter will achieve what she herself had failed to achieve, Miss America, or even Miss Univers.
#2. It's hard to imagin that any parents would kill their own flesh-n-blood over such trivial matter as bedwetting. Especiallly the Ramseys, they could just leave the dirt business to a housekeeper.
@@TheXmeimei I think I gave it a fair assessment when I initially looked into the case and even thought someone in the family was guilty. I saw how much the cops not only messed up but immediately thought the family did it and didn't look for other possibilities. Then I saw how probably 90 to 95% of people are siding with the police and completely believe them and won't even consider an intruder. My thoughts about this were true when I made a big mistake posting my video in reddit thinking people would be fair. Over 200 brutal messages against me calling me a flat earther etc. Maybe 2 decent comments out of 200 plus. So I realized that the majority of people made up their mind and it cant even be changed. I think that's unfair. Everyone should have an open mind. So the fact that I lean one way on this is good in my opinion when 90 percent of the others are making videos against a family who has never been convicted. I think in any case I'd like to stand up for anyone who is getting unfair treatment and I don't believe a mother kills over bedwetting, or a kid who just got a Nintendo 64 that day cared about his sisters presents or pineapple, or a father who lost his oldest daughter could have done this. But I think it could be some crazy intruder. This Sunday hopefully I'll have a video about kidnappings in the USA and the movies out that time. What I found so far is that almost every kidnapping goes know like the Ramsey's. It never works out as people planed.
@@TheXmeimei I think of the 3 family members Patsy could be the only possible one. But as you mentioned, its not super likely to happen unless she had some really crazy thing in her head going on. Its possible but I still think intruder more likely but she does have some weird body language and some writing does seem similar.
Excellent work. I have watched more videos about this case than i can count, and you are by far the most logical and make the most sense out of all of them. I am absolutely positive Patsy had nothing to do with it. Has no idea who could have done it. I think John has an idea though. The way he looks in interviews he looks like he's hiding something. Not that he killed her but he knows who might have done it and he feels partly responsible for her death. A shady business deal where he screwed someone over, a business associate who despises him for whatever reason. Most podcasters have their minds made up that it was the family, which i can understand why, but they wont even entertain the intruder theory. Great work. Keep it up.
Thanks. Yes, there's some weird things for sure. You could right about that. It seems like someone knows something. It might have been a woman he cheated with. He had def done that before Patsy with his first wife. She wouldn't write something that long and there's many reasons why she wouldn't have done it. It could have been the maids daughter or someone she knew too. There's so many more intruder theory ideas the police or "true crime experts" seem to ignore. Its really weird to me but I think its for one reason. People are fooled easily like this riddle.
A father and son were in a car accident where the father was killed. The ambulance brought the son to the hospital. He needed immediate surgery. In the operating room, a doctor came in and looked at the little boy and said I can't operate on him he is my son. Who is the doctor?
Since the ransom note has a feminine tone it would be super doubtful another woman would have written it so everyone concludes that the mother wrote it. Most people can't get it thru their mind that a surgeon can be a woman either. So everyone thinks Patsy or Burke did it but its pretty unlikely to me.
Anyway, you can check out my other videos on Colombine and others. A few gems in there. Cheers, Jeremy.
The 10 year old brother killed her. He slammed the flashlight on her skull. The parents covered it up as they didn’t want to lose their son too.
He was a child. He wouldn't of gone to prison. It would've been ruled an accident and Burke would've gone to counseling. I don't think it was him. A kid can't keep a secret like this.
A 10 year old doesn't fashion a garrote out of a paintbrush to strangle someone. This is a ridiculous idea. When they found her her hands were tied over her head and arms were so stiff they had to physically bend them back down. As if she had been hanged by them. He skull was cracked 8 inches from one blow. A child would not hit something just once and certainly not that hard. There was no blood, indicating she was struck after being strangled. If her parents weren't involved and were just scared, trying to cover up for their son, they wouldn't strangle and further mutilate their own child.
Its absurd.
Alimarie, no, the garotting happened before the head injury. Evidence proves she struggled against the cord, there was also a lack of severe internal bleeding or tissue swelling which would have occurred with such a severe head injury, indicating Jonbenet was dying or just died when the head injury happened. I thought for years Patsy had accidently done it, pushing her in bathroom after one bed accident too many. I read earlier this year John was found to have many videos of children brought back from Amsterdam business trips. Believe now some kind of filming was going on that went very wrong, John was aware it was happening. He stated for the first time he hadn't activated the alarms when they went to the dinner party. I don't think either of them killed her, but he at least knew. Also believe its Burke protecting his parents, not the other way round.
@@user-qh8nh7oe6d … so an intruder chose to enter an occupied house, murder one child, ( while the parents are in the house, no less), take his time looking for a pen and paper inside the house, write a 6 page rambling ransom note ( verified to be in Patsy Ramsey’s handwriting). Crawl outside, not leaving any footprints in the snow. For no apparent reason??
@@richardheinz … I know, but the parents freaked out, so they staged the rest of the assault on her body in the basement. Then they immediately “lawyered up”
I personally believe the intruder was in the house before they arrived back home that evening. During that time they wrote the note. To me, the purpose of the note from the killer was just to provoke the parents. From certain details in the note, aside from the amount of money requested, this person was familiar with the family. They clearly display arrogance about it and are not shy about hiding it.
Pretty laughable stuff. I'm constantly amazed the circles people run in to avoid blaming the obvious guilty parties.
@@TheMarlinspike thanks but I’m not running in circles. There is direct evidence to support an intruder. Up to you if your choose to ignore that.
My suspicion is that the mother killed her daughter.
Likely by accident it’s the only way the staging make sense if the police did a proper investigation the parents would of gone to jail..
@UCwt7d0uceF0AKy94Gszo0Og The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public.
The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor.
Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved..
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.*
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys..
He's not an idiot,that's why they made this decision to write the letter and stage the scene,it worked didn't it?
How many weird coincidences are allowed? Ransom note pring similar to the parents, amount of money asked in the ransom note is thebsame amount of money that the father earned in his bonus, and who's really gonna write a 2 page ransom note?
and leave the body in the house, i mean you bother to right the note then leave the child there makes no sense. if it was an intruder looking for money at least take her out of the house and try to get some money even if she was already dead
@@Ballerina00 Exactly! I mean come on.
You need mental help if you think the family did it
The brother and the parents covered up for him.
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place.
Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either.
N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk.
They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That.
Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true.
He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking.
The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show.
One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background.
How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs.
When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK.
Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$.
In the U.S., for the past 3 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up.
DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB.
People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
I don’t think Burke or the parents did it, but I think the parents know who did.
I just can’t figure out why they would cover for that person for so long - it would have to be someone with a great deal of leverage over that family.
It was an intruder! They never found out who dud it because the cops focused way too much on the parents! Poor Patsy, she got cancer and then was accused of murdering her child! Just awful!
No doubt I totally agree. So sad to not only lose a child but be accused until you die.
I 100% Agree
@@Ramblingroadsyou don’t know if the Ramseys didn’t do it anymore than those of us who think they did, yet you speak like you do and you don’t, it’s all speculation and we’ll likely never know the truth of what happened to that child but it was gruesome and horrible
The DNA didn’t match anyone in the home.
@@elvadrum4965 Plus There Is:The Unsourced Hi-Tec Shoe Print, The Unidentified Axillary Hair Found On the White Blanket She Was Found With, An Unidentified Palm Print ON The "Wine Cellar" Door (She Was Found Behind), & What Is Known As "DNA-X" !!!
AN INTRUDER BROKE IN THROUGH THE BASEMENT , WHILE THE RAMSAYS WERE ALL NEXT DOOR HOURS BEFORE THEY CAME HOME HE HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO WRITE THE RANSOM NOTE USING ITEMS FROM INSIDE THEIR HOME HE WAS HIDING IN THE BASEMENT UNDETECTED AND STILL HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD HE LEFT THE SAME WAY HE CAME IN IT WAS THE MAN WHO SAID HE WAS COMING INTO A LARGE AMMOUNT OF MONEY AND WHO KILLED HIMSELF WHEN THE NET WAS CLOSING IN ON HIM
Michael Helgoth Was A Great Suspect, But He WAS Cleared By DNA. I Still Have Questions Concerning His "Former Colleague" John Steven Gigax, The Boulder PD Never Properly Investigated Him.
I just had to like and subscribe so much you made me laugh.
Haha, nice. I'm glad you found some things funny. Cheers.
@@Ramblingroads the crime was horrible but the part you said... Ok let's write a long letter and put the body in the basement, like being the parents, made me laugh.
I've always thought a stranger did it, but the parents tried to cover it up either because they thought their son did it or because they were worried about appearances. Because they planted evidence, I don't think it will ever be solved. Unfortunately, the police department just refuses to do their job to this very day. I can't understand why they won't test the DNA.
That was one of my thoughts too. They assumed Burke did it when he didn't do it and that's why they would have covered it up. But its tough to think they would have used a garrote like that if she could have been saved. But no doubt the cops and everyone messed up in that case.
The only documented time Burke hurt Jonbenet was hitting her with the golf club. Witnesses said she had come up behind him as he swung the golclub, so it was an accident. I've never read any other incident when he was seriously violent to her.
That house was a mess.
I know. What a pigsty. No wonder they didn't want to secure scene and look for evidence. Its so hard to tell what's from intruder or previous mess.
Great work!
?? PR didn’t work & they had a maid!…???
Ikr
I read the maid wasn't allowed to move things and just clean up around the mess as much as possible.@marielollini9763
If you are reading a ransom note, and your other child comes down to see whats going on, and you say " we are not talking to you, go back to bed!" How do you know the perp isnt still in the house? Even as an adult id be scared to death! My other child would be next to me forever! Thats B. S. And even if he didnt get up, he would still be tied to my side of fear of loosing him as well. Not send him away to stay with relatives of friends!