WHY does a single man with means stay in America?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 13. 05. 2024
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My name is Brian but everyone calls me Greeny. I retired in January of 2020 after working 30 years in Law Enforcement. I wanted to retire young enough to be able to do some of the things I always dreamed about! I knew I wanted to travel extensively and retire somewhere warm and exotic I sampled a ton of places in the Caribbean, Panama, Colombia, Turkey but set my sights on Thailand.
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I left England @ 38 and moved to Mexico. After 3 years moved to Texas and got married, then divorced. In June 2022, @ 54 I quit my job and sold everything. Moved to Thailand. I'm very happy. I don't have a lot of money but, I have enough to live well here.
We can definitely have a higher quality of life over here without breaking the bank
@@GreenyTravels yep. I can't imagine living in the Dallas area on $2,500 per month
Would you recommend Mexico and where if so ? My first place to try
@@scot909 Belize, Costa Rica, Panama, Argentina. Lot of friendly Caribbean islands. I like Thailand, just a bit to close to the hornets nest for my taste.
Crazy, that people here don't see what's coming. When the supply chain stops it's too late.
Unfortunately, many come to Thailand to retire but don't have a proper game plan and end up failing. Have everything in order before you come here and retirement can be wonderful.
Yep. I guess finances would be #1
both damaged...patt gurlz & ex militaries...
@@GreenyTravels Over the years, so many "McMillionaires" complaining about thailand because they had $100k usd or less in the bank at 35 and thought they were gonna retire then they realize partying everynight they ran out of money fast.
I would say family is the biggest fear leaving your kids and grand kids
Thatâs a big one.
It was a consideration for me, but after time realized that the kids were busy with their careers and family I didnât see them much. I now try to visit once a year
@@danielmckinnon9627 Great point and it seems like the kids today really don't care about their parents and are not as close as we were to our parents with social media today they couldn't care less.
Good interview Greeny. 61yr old Canadian, and l left for good to come to Thailand. Told the kids if they want to see me that l would buy the ticket over for them. Not looking back.
lol. I feel yea. I flew both my sons out to check it out. They both stated ânow I understand â đ
LOL, My wife was married to a canadian for 2 years, they spent most of that 2 years in Thailand. From pretty much anywhere in Canada, Thailand kills it. I'd rather be in 100f weather all year round that snow for any part of the year. Been to Canada 20 times, my stepdads family are from winnipeg. I'll be honest with you one of my favorite cities to visit in North america was Montreal but when I went there it was supposed to be 45f, but 2 of the 4 days were almost 70, and the other 2 were 85f. It was amazing, and everyone was outside.
That said, not a fan of Canada, and that sentiment is all weather related.
@@GreenyTravels Greeny, do you sons live in Detroit? lol Like I've said come to california and watch a kings redwings game and see all the red jerseys in the stands because all the Detroit expats bought the seats a year in advance....lol One of my best friends is from Detroit, I have many friends there, and they all live in florida during the winter.
When I'm back in the States, if I am asked about Thailand, I answer.
But I stopped bringing Thailand up as a subject when I realized 1/2 people I talk to in the US literally do not know the difference between Taiwan and Thailand.
lol. I get that all the time.
HAHA, I get that mistake all the time. A good friend asked me how Taiwan was the other day. I told him I love him after he joked about not knowing the difference, but its ignorant not to know the difference. I explained that I think of him as a smart reasonable person, but if we were as close as he says we are, he should know that, because I know things that are important to him. (including coaching his kid) lol He apoligised, and I'm pretty sure he will never make the mistake. I'm a problem solver. HAHA
I will say, that many people come to where I live and then post on youtube and call it LA area. Thats ignorant as well. I live in OC, an hour from LA although a few miles from LA county and night and day different. Maybe we should go easy on the people who have never been to asia at all.
ITs like people making videos and saying "the usa" when comparing Thailand. I mean, The difference from California, compared to Alabama is farther apart from the difference between Thailand and Taiwan.
A lot of people are fear of the unknown and tied down to material things.
Yes. People go get attached to their stuff.
lots of reasons: inertia, cultural ignorance (no, Thai food at the mall is not real Thai food) , asset ownership in home country, proximity to kids/grand kids, loosing health benefits or pension payments, fear of isolation, concerns over language, concerns about pollution in Thailand .... it takes a lot of courage to pick up and move to the opposite side of the world. It takes a lot of clear headed preparation and several extended trips to your anticipated country of choice..
You nailed most of them Rick. It is a lot of work to make a move like this
That's what I'm doing, 1 month in Bangkok this time. Next time, I'll get the 60 day visa and then go to Vietnam and Philippines too.
Have you been to Central Festival in Chiangmai? Holy shit, they have amazing food there... Under 300 baht for lunch for two.
how would you lose your pension payments if you moved to Thailand?
@@pb12661 you won't
Loved the ending. Nicely done man!!
Appreciate it.
Oh by the way I'm a military brat from the 1960s we used to live in Germany he was a E8 Infantry I love every moment of it it definitely opened my mind
Military will definitely show you some things.
Have you experienced any racism in Germany?
For me at 60 and still having a daughter about to be a senior in highschool, it's not the right time. When it is the right time, I do have fears. I need to have a few more years pass to see what the future brings. Some fears are: medical, hot climate, leaving friends, leaving all my connections I have made over a lifetime. We shall see how the presidential election goes as well! It also is not easy for stimulating conversation, like the song says "I get my kicks above the waistline sunshine". It is wonderful to be accepted automatically and have the pick of the litter too. Affection is very different, even in just hugging and kissing. The Thais leave their country to go somewhere else and it takes years to acclimate. There is a lot of frustration along the way, so for you Greeny who did not have that same experience, you in your life, it was the right time and you did not have fears, or worries about leaving friends, family, where you grew up. And if you did you got over it. It is a major move and it makes sense that there would be natural fear, even if it was Paradise! Just remember that even if you win the rat race, you are still a rat! đ
Great points. Iâve tried dating some Thai girls that spoke no English. It was very difficult. Still difficult to find things in common.
Greeny , I think your friend brought up a good point, America is great for the opportunity to make a great living , but once that â living â has concluded ( ie retirement ) why stick around , ya get a great pension for all your hard work , but as in my case, my pension is shrinking very quickly ( it doesnât increase every year, but what does increase is the cost of healthcare, meds, co-payments on office visits , groceries etc. , etc. ) basically all the essentials in America are killing the retirees ( for a single person my healthcare just shot up to $320 a month, Iâm spending well over $100 a week on groceries, my Verizon cable bill is $192 a month , insurance on my auto and home just shot up 30% this year and Iâve never filed a claim and I have a perfect driving record ,.. I might be your new neighbor !
I donât have a COLA either. May be time to pull the plug John.
Cable is $192? Frontier 500 speed is 44, youtube TV is $65...... what area are you in?
One of your best videos IMO. Love the straight up banter between you two. So true of everything. If a single guy who's looking doesn't like this video, they have a problem. This video might blow up đ
lol. Yea. When my buddy in the U.S. gets out here he may make a whole channel like this. Heâs pretty funny
@@GreenyTravels it's what guys in our circumstances want to hear about. Well not me anymore lol I married a Thai lady. I wanted Thailand in California lol. But I'm retired and we're looking to live part time in Thailand. Depending on the election, maybe sooner than later đ
I like Thailand a lot, I've spent about 5 months there over 3 different trips + another month in the Fils. The reason I don't move there is that I'd be a long way from my daughter and grand kids. Also I like the seasons of Canada and I find year round heat a bit of a pain. I like both places and for different reasons, a lot of those reasons sort of compliment each other and I can have the best of both worlds. I think for me it'll be some winter trips over there from now on.
I can understand that.
Great subject matter Greeny and friend. A difficult subject to answer, but all I is that life in the west is fragmenting, kickstarted by the pandemic if you have the means go and explore its such an eye opener without the baggage and risks of home,keep living your best life sirs!!!đđżâđżđ·â€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž
Well said Paul.
moving as soon as i can. great video
Thank you
The reason people donât leave is due to family ties, and other than that that they have accumulated too much stuff.
Stuff, stuff and more stuff! Took me one year to get rid of my stuff-then sold my condo while overseas!
Yep. I sold Most of my stuff too when I decided to go
Great info Greeny. Take care bud!
Thanks. Good talk with my buddy
Good video Greeny
Thank you!!
Just turned 66. Visited Thailand in February and fell in love with the country the people and the food. Came home to the us, put everything up for sale and have a flight to Bangkok end of may. Going for a education visa I think. Will find a good school to learn Thai. When its over, o visa. Plan on staying.
Right now I'm in Philly... Left over 30 years ago and never regretted it.
Nice Bob.
Greeny, I really enjoyed your video. You and your guest spoke many truths about the USA and Thailand. I am returning to Thailand later this year for another 3 month stay. In late 2025 I will finally retire in Thailand.
2025 coming fast. You gotta be pumped!!
@@GreenyTravels Oh yeah!!đđđ»
good topic ... Good choose!
Thanks CJ
Billionaires don't "relocate". They just buy another home in whatever new spot attracts them. Most of them will have 4 or 5 villas/homes/fancy apartments in Italy, NYC, Martha's Vinyard, St Johns etc.
Donât need to be a billionaire. I have a house in America still.
By the way, where were you both walking. Beautiful there
Out near Chee Chan. Sattahip na Jomtien
@@GreenyTravels I was a bit premature with my comment, before you got to the climb near the end. Thanks!
I am in the process of moving abroad and when I talk to Americans about leaving I find a lot are unaware of the differences outside the country and experience surprise. I believe in attraction rather than promotion so I donât shove the topic down anyoneâs throat yet I do raise awareness while I slowly change course. Itâs a process not an event and I am on my way. With videos like yours the pointers are clear and thank you for creating such contentđđ»
Appreciate it. Itâs a big move but can be very rewarding
@@GreenyTravels đđ»
I am 63, still working and inherited a lake house in Michigan. I love the area, but not my job and dating life. I've been to Brazil and Costa Rica. The women were fun and I had a great time but wouldn't want to live there. I am trying to figure out how to leverage my property to quit my job and retire without a pension. Should I sell the house my grandfather built or rent it out and move? I have no family except a brother who lives out west. As tempting as it is to retire and move, I feel that there is more to plan.
I would rent it. A like house should fetch a pretty penny to afford you to live in Thailand. I would always hold on to at least one property in the U.S. just in case.
@@GreenyTravels You are right about that. The house is near Traverse City where the rent is higher. I am currently renting a one-bedroom apartment above my garage for $700 per month. That lease goes until November when it reverts to a month-to-month. I would need to visit Thailand before I make the decision on whether I'd like to move there. There are many options on where to live outside of the U.S. I enjoy watching your videos to get an idea of the culture and expenses. Thanks for sharing.
I think if youâre a single guy age 50 or 55 live in the West can be very sad and depressing. Plus right now thereâs a Culture of toxicity from the media, and far too many rules and regulations. I been to Thailand 8 times. In one word THAILAND đčđ is freedom. I feel so much relaxed and happier out there. It seems to me that the only thing you do at home is just working and pay bills. Iâm 55 myself and hopefully Iâll be able to retire in Thailand in about 5 years or so. Surrounded by friendly and humble Thai people. Beautiful places! Delicious food and all this under affordable prices and more reasonable cost of living. Wicked Video GREENY đđđ Look after yourself and keep safe Mate.
The toxicity you talk about is not in real life. Yes its the media and social media but if you live, you don't see that. I got into a debate with some guy from Alabama about trans athletes competing against females. (stick with me)
First, I live in southern california, and for most of the last 10 years I've traveled across the usa monday through friday returning for the weekends. 30-45 trips per year.
My kids lived in Beverly hills with their mom for 5 of those years so I traveled to LA commonly on weekends to take my kids out. In the last 10 years, how many times have I interacted with a trans woman in the USA? I'll answer, 1 time. It was in 2015 in Cincinnatti Ohio. She was my server at the Spagetti factory resturant.
This guy the other day commented on the trans athlete thing on a video of a world champion woman. All I said is why bring that up? He insisted it was a real issue we all should be worried about. He said he was from alabama. In alabama, less than 0.6% of the people are trans femal or male. How many of those are female? half? (male to female trans) Of those 0.3% transe females, how many do you think want to compete in sports against genetic females? 1% of whatever that small number is which is almost nobody.
He then turns it personal and tells me because I live in california, I want my daughter to compete against men.
He failed to understand that I don't feel trans women should compete agains women. Never argued that point with him not once. Yes, people aren't bright on the internet...... lol
Right wing media, and conversely left wing media want you to think about it eventhough your daughter is more likely to get in 5 car accidents on the way to her soccer game than play against a trans athlete.
None of the boring politics that are toxic that we argue on facebook, TikTok, or CZcams effect any of us or give us a real reason to move to thailand, or texas, or California.
Chose real reasons. If a real reason is you heard something on fox, or MSNBC then it doesn't matter where you move, you are gonna hate it.
As I've said many times, No place is better than thailand if you want cheap. If you live where theres snow, thailand is 10 times better, if you are 50, hell any age and dating, thailands better if you stay out of the bars. Love thailand, take away the $ issue, or the women issue and southern california is 10 times better as a place to live. My daughters 28 and says shes gonna start a family soon, no problem, they can be without me 4 times a year for 2 weeks to a month while I visit Thailand.....
Yep. Itâs living the dream here.
Thumbs up đ Greeny
Thank you sir!!
More of this would be good - Maybe list top 5 reasons for staying in USA verses Thailand and vise versa - # 1 and only for me is taking care of my elderly parent
First yes-Wait take care of your parents and then come!
Yes. This is a big one Tommy. Iâve met other guys that had to wait or are waiting
Isn't it very difficult to get a long term stay visa in Thailand? Also, I believe foreigners cannot own property in Thailand. Is that not true?
Can own a condo. Not land. Not hard to get a visa. Check the embassy website for Thailand in your country. Royal Thai embassy
Your guest had some good things to say. You had me rolling at the breast feeding to long comment. Spot on also about America, she gave me all I needed to be in Thailand. It is the land of opportunity.
I believe that. Sometimes itâs time to go!
Grandchildren. Hard to imagine my life without them.
Thatâs a top one.
Your friend (at 6:00 min) said exactly what I have been saying for years. America is a great place to have been born in the 50's & 60's. It is a great place to get a top notch education. It is a great place to build a career and make money and earn a pension but once you are done with all that, and you are looking for happiness, then the US has a lot of strong competition.
I experienced a moderate amount of international travel in my adult life. I've been to England, France, Italy, Germany, Mexico, Indonesia, Hong Kong, and the Caribbean. I think the barrier to considering moving overseas is considerably lower if you have had some international travel experience. I also followed a friend who moved to Thailand a couple of years before me. I didn't (and don't) dislike America and I am not unappreciative of the advantages living in America has brought to me. I was bored and Thailand was an antidote to boredom with the US. It is still wonderful living here in Thailand 7 years later. Now that I have been away for years, looking back at what America has become these past few years, I can't say I find the US all that appealing as a place to live. You get some new perspective once you get out of the US bubble.
I have a 6-figure+ pension so I can easily afford to live in the US but all those $$ go farther here and I can build a better life. Thailand is different. There is much to adjust and adapt to. Expat life is not for everyone but you are not sacrificing anything by moving to Thailand.
There are still a lot of good reasons to stay in the US. Most people, even if they are interested in following expat living media, still stay put. Fear of the unknown is, of course, one of the reasons which could be a personality thing. Language barriers are also apart of the fear factor. Staying close to family and friends. Jobs, if you are not retired. You can easily afford to stay in the US so vacation travel is an alternative to moving overseas. There are many healthcare concerns that keep people where they are. Healthcare is great in Thailand but it is recommended you be in decent health when you initially come here. US citizen retirees need to factor in that Medicare cannot be used here.
The dating scene, if you are an older man, is without a doubt better here. You still have to navigate individual compatibility but the pool of women is much larger. It is inexplicable to westerners but SE Asian women just don't put age and appearance as high on the desirability list as do western women. It's a factor but not as much of one here. I had a wife in the US and now I have a Thai wife (divorce in between of course).
Great comment. You nailed a lot of key points. Donât need to be broke to come here. 6 figures spends like 7 the way we live here
20 year Ret USAF, Been to most of the developed world, Korea in 1989, I can't imagine the change. Looking at Residency Visas for SE Asia, (Planning stages) Wife say no do to Children/grands but the way the western world is going I'm developing an option that we can use if needed. Fear is the result of not having options... I won't live in fear. Greeny your the best! keep em coming
Peace.
I appreciate it. Thank you!!!!!
Where is this place youâre walking? Can you tell me the name of the neighborhood?
Health and concerns about navigating a foreign country's health care system is the big one I assume. But for me, it's sports. I'd love to live in paradise, but I also don't want to miss going to baseball, football or hockey games. The games have always been such a sweet distraction for me, from childhood right up tp current in my latter working life. Love how inviting Pattaya's neon bar scene looks, love the idea of not dealing with winter and an excess of snow shoveling, but I need to be there when the alma mater kicks off in the Fall. Come summer, I need to be at the ballpark on a Saturday aft.
I already checked the schedule. Will probably go see the cubs at tigers in August when Iâm home. I did go see a Chinese league baseball game in Taiwan last week. Was like going to a minor league game.
Stay cool - good video - 100% correct.
Thank you.
Greeny, where are you walking? nice area!
Out near Chee Chan. Some nice temples in that area
I think you nailed....people have a fear of the unknown. They've never really travel outside their comfort zone. I was fortunate to have parents (my dad was military) that exposed me to the world outside the U.S.. I then worked in a career that involved extensive global travel. As a result, I'm comfortable in just about any culture. I love SEA. Was in Thailand last Sept/Oct '23). Hope to make the "move" in '25.
Sounds like a plan!!
Funny stuff guys!!
Appreciate it!!
There are genuine reasons. Commitments, family, upbringing. More importantly, a desire to stay in the west and raise a family. I don't think we should be quick to knock that.
Sometimes, it's lack of knowledge of options (me, until 5 years ago), lack of finances/employment options (also me right now).
Not every man is attracted to SEA women. There's also that. Of course, those men are wrong :)
lol. You hit that on the head. Thai girls the best. Although I find the women in Japan beautiful too. Not sure if they like old fat Farangs
I did the opposite travelled in my 20's in Thailand and China for 6 years but i never had a carrer or anything. But got 2 houses from inheritance so rent one to pay the other bills...but surrounded by family i wouldnt sell because land and houses been in the family guess i could rent both houses out and move to Thailand meeting womwn where i am at for me is not happening been single 7 years!!! Going insane got yellow fever bad
Tough decisions. I rent out my place. Maybe I will go back one day. Ya never know
your input is not worthless, a little jaded but not without merit. I have been traveling to thailand since 2002. I have gone back and forth with moving there or not many times. At first, my kids were young and I was the primary single parent. It was easy for me to get my mother to help my ex and take care of them on my trips but I couldn't be gone more than a month.
The second 15 trips I was working for a company and I'd travel to thailand twice, sometimes 3 times a year as a single guy. That whole time I'd meet real thai ladies, not bar girls. Met my wife and things changed. Over the last 5 years we built a sanctuary at our home in southern california. We love it there. I have a special situation, I inherited the house and my moms tax rate. Its so low, its embarrassing. First time in my life I'm not struggling started 10 years ago, but I didn't have a sanctuary till 3 years ago. It changes things.
If I had to shovel snow at any time of the year, I might not think that way. There are many reasons not to make the jump to thailand, most are fear based, but there are also great reasons.
I just spent 34 days in thailand and after a week, all I could think about was riding my bike....lol plus, I saw it was 75 f everyday in southern california whil I was in 100+ f temps every day. Just saw Mr big and was 10 feet from the stage, thats another thing I'd miss..... Orange County california can hurt you if you are struggling financially, but if you aren't which is what Greeny stated, its better as a home base than thailand.
Helps if you have a lifetime pension.
That or wise investment. I failed at the latter đ
That and both social security income. And a small business income that pays monthly.
How much per month in Thailand would you say it would cost to live equivalent to an upper middle class life in the U.S.?
I would consider myself upper middle class in the US. I have a 6-figure pension income. Iâm from the San Francisco Bay Area so my income may or may not be âupperâ there. Iâve lived in Thailand 7 1/2 years, 6 in Bangkok and 1 1/2 years in the countryside. 100,000 baht/month is $2,730/month and that, I think is a good starting point. So say $3,000-$4,000/month in Bangkok and at the lower end of that scale in just about any other location in Thailand. Best to add $100,000 or more savings to that as well.
Thatâs fair. Can live very comfortably for 3k usd here. Living like a rock star for 5k a month
Great points. Fear keeps people in comfort zone.
I have been to 40* countries and spend 2-3 months overseas in Asia , Central America, etc. USA is so divided and too many issues.
Unfortunately losing its luster
I know a few people who would rather live poor in America versus having a good life in a different country. I have thought about this question for a while and I do not believe that you will get an honest answer. I may be wrong, but I think that it is primarily pure laziness. To move requires getting rid of so much stuff and then preparing for the unknown. Many individuals cannot get rid of stuff and they have failed often in planning. They cannot admit those character flaws to themselves. It was hard for me as well, but America made it easier. China paid me 50 percent more than America and they actually respected my degrees in engineering and mathematics. If you are over 45 then you know that America does not want you or your experience. If that reality is not true for you then fantastic for you. I was offered an IT job in Hawaii about a year ago, and I calculated that I would actually lose money by moving there, and that was a 6 figure job. My brother in law thought that I was crazy in not taking it. He naively believes that America is the best place to live. Maybe because my sister is a vp at a major company in the usa, but that is not the reality for most people living in the usa. Thanks for the video and that is my worthless 2 cents in the discussion.
Interesting stuff Paul. You are right on point
If I could make Hawaii work, it would be #1. But it is so dang expensive. I'm saving up for a Thai retirement plan.
@@jeremyf5051 hawaii is a dream until you see the costs then it becomes a financial nightmare for most americans
Greeny..noâŠnoâŠthe best place to retire is Sarawak! The Sarawakians (or is it the Sarawakanese?) are the most beautiful, friendly people on Earth - of Chinese ancestry - but with a British flavour (remember James Brooke - Rajah of Sarawak?) I visited there recently, and discovered a beautiful restaurant in the Sarawak Mall. It specialised in chicken! They had roast chicken, butter chicken, baked chicken, braised chicken, broiled, sautĂ©ed and fried chicken! For a small fee you could graze away to your heartâs content! Also, nearby was a brewery which created beers from the 17th century - set up by a local who had studied under one of Germanyâs greatest Beer Meisters! I was in heaven! I arrived at around 1pm - at around 3 pm, as I was starting the second round of grazing - the friendly staff asked whether Iâd like to pay another fee - I willingly complied. At around 7pm I wanted to leave, but for some reason my legs werenât in perfect operating condition - something to do with the undercarriage I presumed. Also, the beer had created some sort of optic disparity which impacted upon my focusing ability. A lesser man than me may have been embarrassed, but I felt I could handle the situation! I called the manager over, and offered to pay one of the waiters US$10 if he would be so kind as to provide me with some strength - so I could manage a power-assisted waddle back to my hotel some 300 metres away! This he readily agreed too. I thought I did very well - I only fell over twice, and the waiter, with the assistance of helpful passersby - managed to guide me to my hotel - where I arrived in good shape. Upon arrival their duty of care was taken over by the concierge; and with the assistance of two bellboys and a concerned guest - I made it back to my suite. Wonderful, friendly people - canât speak too highly of them!
I looked it up. Thank you
Me, I've got an old dog that wouldn't travel well. Kinda owe it to him to give him a good last few years.
That awesome. I got lucky. I kept my house in the U.S. and my son lives there now taking care of our dog. đ¶
Brian since your Southeast Asia travels. Who has the prettiest women. Northern (Isaan) or Southern Thailand, The Philippines or Vietnam.
Any plans of traveling to Malaysia, Indonesia or Singapore. âïž
Japan. lol. They donât need my broke ass though đ
In SE Asia the best quality in Bangkok for sure. Women in Pattaya I think been binging on too much McDonaldâs
@@GreenyTravels I recently saw a thing on TickTock about Japanese people having a little different DNA than the rest of Asia. I like the way Japanese women dress.
@@GreenyTravels So you like the Japanese women the best out of all the Asian women. Including Chinese and Korean and all of Southeast Asian. Rank your top 3. đ
First class views couldnât agree with either of you more Thailand = Heaven on Earth
Appreciate
Fear of the unknown and family are the 2 biggest ones. As a 21-year-old, leaving the US is the new American dream, and have no choice but to go. Israel as I said before the location for me to go to. Citizenship, religion, and a lot of finanical benefits as well. Very scared to make the jump, but I know it is the best option for me. Hopefully, my parents and sister will move there after I am there for a couple years. Hope to catch you back in Israel in the future, as our planned meetup last June did not work out. Love from Florida and originally from Bloomfield Hills Michigan!
I'm sad to see young people with such a dim outlook on the US, especially since instead of you guys refuse to stand up to your brainwashers and their zombies, but want to leave. Parents of your age group are mostly Gen-X and they were the first generation to be totally indoctrinated. My hope is that Israel requires you to join their military as soon as possible, since all Israeli citizens must serve 2 years. I think the discipline of military service will help some of the younger generation, especially if you choose to live in a country that is under attack at all times. I'm a veteran, and it helped me grow up and learn to be an adult, as I was younger than you when I joined. Best of luck, and hate to lose you since you seem to be a person who thinks about things.
Glad you seem to be enjoying it there. Stay safe!!
Awesome. You have just made me realize how profoundly lucky I have been. I met a young Vietnamese woman in NYC in 1976 and married her there in 1977. Never since that day have I thought about dating or what to say or do to get the right girl since. Then⊠we travelled to Vietnam in 1988 and moved to Vietnam permanently not long after. I have not been to America for more than five years not for any dislike but rather I am simply not inclined to bear the expense, the time not to mention the physical hardship of travel. After all⊠we are now 70! But as for why others would not want to come to this part of the world I think it has a lot to do with personal tastes and interests. My brother is much more wealthy than I but has never come to Asia. He lives in an awesome log home in the beautiful Catskills Mountains of New York. He will never come not even for a visit. There is no right or wrong just a shame that he and others like him will live and die not knowing this part of the world but again⊠even if he did come I think he would not know what to do with himself.
Sounds like your brother lives a nice life. Itâs definitely a major trip. I dread flying home
Coming out to Thailand for vacation in July đđđ
First time?
@GreenyTravels No, This will be my fourth time coming to Thailand đ
greeny, i am 53 and divorced in the USA. I have a significant 401K and brokerage account. even tho i work from home with a good job... I am literally counting to the day to when I sell everything and move to Chiang Mai. I dont want want this 3-bedroom house and vacation only 2 weeks a year. I want vacation for the rest of my life!
Agree. That was my thinking exactly
I plan on leaving United States very soon to come to the Philippines or in Thailand but I'm thinking Thailand first then Vietnam then Cambodiađđđđ but no matter what you say to other individuals about being outside of America they can't wrap their head around itđąđąđą all you can do is get along to go along meanwhile they'll tell me or you,,, you're running away from the situationđ đ đ so I don't bother explaining why I'm getting ready to do what I want to do at my ageđđđđ I'm going to pull the trigger guys but I got to sign documents first for Social Security in November then I can leaveđđđđđđđ but a very good video on the response of men or women not taking or going outside of the box
Good comment John. Iâd take your first year and check all the places out and find your base. My investigatory trip was short lived due to Covid
I plan on myself on moving abroad as soon as I hit full retirement a lot of people go and do things spend money back and forth to overseas endeavorsđđ but me I consider that time that I could have used to make moneyđđđ I'll go and find a woman when it's time to stop or cut back when the money is looking right after you get to full retirementđ đ đ then you go chase the women when you got money coming in every month so if you don't want to work you don't have to fly out of a country that you have visited and you can do what you wantđ đ đ or so to say that you can pick and choose when to leave you know what I mean but to answer your question I'm in the process of selling assets as we speak take what I can and move abroad get rid of everything get rid of headaches that I used to have of course it was income coming in or building equity but it's time to let it go when you get to a certain age and enjoy life so yes I plan on leaving very soon to go abroadđđđđđ lower cost of livingđđđ and enjoying what looks like little life you have left from your achievements
Just plan it all out good and you will be set.
if you live in NYC or Chicago, or Philly? Automatic, move to thailand. If you live in southern California, no way. By the way Iâve been to almost every state. I have always had fun in big cities because Iâve never lived in one. You canât get what Iâm saying if you have never been here in Southern California. Itâs got everything but warm water. Waterfall are a drive away.
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Only downside for me would be the oppressive heat , poor air quality and humidity of Thailand. Of course kids, family are also up there for me. Anyone in the same position as you would make a lot of sense to be there as well. So I guess Charles is pulling the gun to move ?
And the food poisoning and other health problems they never mention.
Yes. Those are the detractors. I keep escaping for a week here or week there
@@GreenyTravels I have noticed that. You do love to get around. Not sure if most have the budget to do what you have been doing though.
Not many extremely wealthy individuals choose to make Thailand their permanent home. The lower cost of living is what attracts the average joe, with a lower to upper middle income, to Thailand. The ultra-rich go somewhere else without the plethora of Thailand's issues.
There is a sizable luxury real estate market in Thailand. I believe it is dominated by very wealthy Chinese. You can buy anything you want in Thailand and your money will go farther. I and my friends arenât ultra wealthy but I know a dozen people here, mostly retirees, who can easily afford to live in the US but choose to live in Thailand. Long term visas are extremely easy if you have money. The Elite visa is for anyone of any age. The 10 year LTR is available to both retirees and investors. There are other investment visas through the Thailand Board of Investments. A favorable exchange rate can be attractive to people of any income level and people with money have few âissuesâ. Aside from money considerations, Thailand is just a nice place to live culturally.
I live a pretty good lifestyle here. The costs here affine to travel the world
I am 69 all medical is free the estimates i have got for health insurance in SE Asia is $500/month. I do not have to pay for a visa to stay here, that is 2 reasons.
Those are the most logical. What could cause be to back eventually
Good walk and talk by you and your friend. Conversation on point. The PASSPORTGANG does not need to be convinced about relocating overseas, we fully support it. Some have already moved overseas; some are planning to move. It's still a big step with a lot of unknowns. Things like getting a passport. But I have never heard a bad review coming out of Thailand always positive reports. America has no allure at all for those of us that see it is a Matrix built on propaganda.
Propaganda on both sides. I don't think it will get better.
The ultra rich want all the money. Thats why we pay so much there for everything now. The govt doesnât back the people
Most people in the USA have only been to 8 states. (my wife in her first year visited 20 with me) Of course they don't want to check out Thailand. I've been trying to bring people to thailand with me 29 times, only was successful a handful of times.
They donât know what they are missing
I will work until I am 53 and then move to guadalajara/buenos aires or SE asia... !
Nice. Furthest I made it down was Colombia.
Do your planning men. It's not going to happen overnight.
You have done it before... and you can do it again.
Live your life.
Good advice
I remember when I was in America - and I got pulled over for speeding - by a really beautiful female police officer. I told her I was a tourist - this was a rental vehicle - and showed her the paperwork. She was very pleasant throughout - and when I looked into her eyes...my heart melted! I told her 'I hear in America when the police stop you - they give you a cavity search to ensure you're not carrying firearms or drugs or something?" She said - that's not necessary in your case - you were only going 8 miles an hour above the speed limit - and I believe you're a tourist."
I said....."well, never mind....I'd like to please request one." She smiled and said "all you're getting today is a warning..."
lol. Thatâs hilarious
I just retired from the Air Force and my last duty station was Kadena. Now I'm in Thailand. I can't see living in America anymore
Itâs tough
I would like to answer this question as a female. Many men stay in America because they can afford to live here and travel as they like. Also they love their children and grandchildren and want to be part of their lives. Most of the men that travel to Thailand and the Philippines are looking for sex and a worshipping female that will lie to them for cash. I experienced the same thing as a female in Turkey - the men are charming and good-looking but they are looking for a handout and/or a visa. Both males and females of impoverished countries take advantage for their own personal gain. I think it is a very sad way to live. I am only here because I was looking for information on travelling to Thailand and fell down the rabbit hole. đ
I appreciate your view. Just a topic that came up. Many other videos are more travel informational. I run the gamut when it comes to topics so you never know what may be next.
Nothing stopping me other than getting rid of all my stuff. Planning a new life in Jan 2024 in the Philippines
Plan it out ahead and should go smooth
Iâm in Phuket now, for a month. Been coming for 15 years. Thailand is great. But America is better. California has perfect weather and everything works.. yes you can get cheap food and sex in Thailand. But if you have your act together, are financially and socially successful. Much higher standard of living in the US. Pretty hard to beat the upscale parts of the US. One CZcamsr called expats in Thailand LBH. Losers back home. I tend to agree.
I'm with you Greeny on a lot of things but your having means is contradictory to your point. And as I'm posting, the dating issue gets talked about again and I can't dissagree.
On the flip side, how would I be viewed as an independent single retired woman?
More and more coming. I know a few. You are welcome to join us on out coffee and lunch meet upâs
lmfao. Greeny on tinder!!! Wetting that whistle all over town. Get you freak of greeny!!đ
lol.
@@GreenyTravels We love you greeny.
Don't bring any more money to Los than you can afford to lose
Fact
Excellent topic well presented. The only thing I disagree with is saying Thai women are submissive. They're not, IMO, they're just feminine.
They are pleasant for the most part. Thatâs enough
I check all those boxes, and I am absoluitely planning on moving to Thailand. Someday. Right now it is not money or a job keeping me from leaving, just have to get rid of all my stuff first.
Itâs a big process to get everything ready. Took me a few years
I'm doing it real fast. I'm losing money by staying here so the sooner I leave the better.
Even guys without 'means' make the move. đ I will not be going back!!!
My wife is the problem!!đ plus we have 7 kids between the 2 of us. But I could leave in an hour. Have an updated passport. Letâs go!
Thatâs definitely the stopper
lol, I always comment too soon. This guy hit it on the head. "Chicago"
lol. Yep
If you are single, you aren't an outside person and the ease of living in southern california isn't important. You know, almost no rain, moderate year round tems, (mid spring year round) then its a no brainer to move to thailand. This is what happens to people I know who have moved away from southern california.
They want a big house for cheaper than their condo, or small house, or they don't want to pay rent anymore and they want to own, so they move to the "inland empire" which is very desert like and 50 miles inland from the beach. All the work is where they moved from so now they have an hour to drive minimum to and from their jobs. (my buddy has to leave at 3:30 am) After a few years of this to hell, 15 years, theynow hate southern california. My friends I used to cycle along the coast a few days a week, or hang out at the beach with, now hate california. So they move to texas, or Idaho. lol No shit. They hate it, then move back, or move to Florida and tell me how much they hate it as well.
People need to look at the big picture, you like what you like because of your needs. Nothing wrong with that. Its 3:30pm right now, I'm gonna jump on my bike and ride to the beach. Its 70f here. At the beach its 67f, I'll bring arm warmers......lol
Paradise isnât a location itâs where your heart and mind are at peace . I love usa đșđž not sure why so many Americans bad mouth US in East Asia and thatâs where they made all their wealth . I lived in Asia too I love the women and beaches .
Itâs really a lot of the big cities and the costs now. But for a single guy dating in the East will blow their minds
@@GreenyTravels So, you are there for the sex? First time you have been truthful!
I'm just waiting till the time I can retire then I'm so there
I hear ya. Plan ahead and be ready
@@GreenyTravels yeah, I have been touring thailand twice a year since 2014 and trying to build up a social network so when I finally retired there, I will have everything waiting for me, and not just another lonely person in a distant land and don't speak the language
You were correct to put "man" in your video title. Women loathe to be far from their children and grandchildren, many men don't care about that. The biggest barrier is language. It will take 2-3 years of lessons and immersion to be able to fill out forms and speak competently. Even Thais talk about how difficult their writing system is, and pronunciation is difficult, if you want to work on your accent. Medical is good, but we don't always have the money to pay up front for medical care, and wait for insurance to reimburse. I visited a doctor in Thailand before and I went to a great facility, but had it been an emergency, it would have been a nightmare. For people with a weak stomach, Thailand is not very clean. Thai people are clean, but the public spaces are not, and where do you think they wash their hands and dishes when selling street food? They also touch food and money, which trips people out in the US. The bottom line is, some men move there with unrealistic expectations of what life will be like. At least that dude is thinking ahead.
Yep. Totally different world.
Where are you walking itâs beautiful.
Out near Chee Chan
I have been to Thailand 3 times for 2 weeks at a time and I love it. But I do prefer the US life after all. It's great to be home, there is no place like it. . I tell you what, if you go to Thailand and want to live there just for the women. That is a pathetic reason. Good luck to your buddy who wants the best woman, a woman who gets on his program lol...they only want you because of your money.
Yes đșđž is great for our kids especially those in law enforcement-nursing-education-over 100K salary USD w a pension however for single retired pension guys like us who still love women this is the place!
Itâs not too bad!!
Your boy sounds like a good dude đ Be good to get his take on retirement out there
Very nice guy
Some people just prefer to live where they feel like they belong. If I wanted to live in Thailand, I would have to register with the govt every year, and be forbidden from owning land or a business which I control. Here in California, I can make $10k - $15k every month doing backyard construction projects, but in Thailand I would be jailed for doing the same thing. In California, my kids get an international baccalaureate education at a free public school. I would have to pay $15k/year for the same quality of education in Thailand. Farang will never be treated like they belong in Thailand. I just visit every year for 1-2 months so my wife of 22 years can see her family, and my kids absolutely love going. I know the question is directed at single men but just my 2 cents.
That makes sense. Had you have a nice Thai wife by your side. We were talking about single Guys. The ones still looking for a beau Thai partner
@@GreenyTravels Yeah it seems that life in America works better for somebody who has a family and is working in a career. Not so much for the single guys. If I could afford it and was single, I would definitely choose to live in Thailand.
Thailand is also great for retirees
I'm commenting as you talk... again, short of a billionair, if $ is no object, you have no issue with women number one. Number two, you 100% can walk around safely in many places in the USA, especially southern california, in comfort and visit Thailand 3-4 times a year....lol
America came to be from people who left their home countries to seek a better life. Now the tide has shifted such that our demographic has better opportunities elsewhere.
Definitely. Especially for old farts like us that miss the good old days. 70âs
Greeny the difference between dating in America there is no language barrier. Thailand the girls are a bit more acceptable to go out with you. Despite language barrier. You are bonafied. And as a Farang looking for a long term relationship.
Yep. Not bad
Hey Greeny, Have you ever hung out in Orange County California? Why wouldn't you come here? You have the cash, Come visit....... 75f almost year round, no rain, supercars everywhere, lots of asians........ I'm shit talking, by the way, bring your bank acount if you want to date here. Southern california not only has one of the most diverse food cultures here, some of the best of the best. You can get real Thai food in Thai town, or my house.
Yes. Been in Orange County many times. West LA , Santa Monica the valley etc. I have relatives in Culver City.
@@GreenyTravels when you say youâve been in Orange County what have you done? Disney ?Culver City neighborhoods, just not like Westminster, garden grove or Huntington Beach. Even Buena Park, Fullerton which is inland still totally different vibe than la county and thereâs parking here. lol
The moving there is understood.. but shitting on the place that allowed you the means of moving to the 3rd world to enjoy your health is less acceptable. There are good and bad things in the US but be humble and apprecite you have born theređ
Have you been to New York or Chicago lately. Check out my NY videos I made last summer. I just call it how I see it.
No, I have not and know that Chicago and NY are going down which is sad.
And I meant wealth of courseđ
America has deteriorated in the last 20-40 years. It is not the same country that the pensioners Greeny is addressing lived all their lives in. There are better places than the U.S. to be a pensioner. Sometimes the truth hurts.
im 45 and this is my last year in the united states. I will be joining you two in 2025!!!
Smart move. See ya soon Vince
You couldn't handle a month in Bangkok. Did you tell your buddy that ?
He knows that. Iâm not saying Thailand is the end all be all. There are many amazing places in the world. I went to 15 countries in Europe last fall and Iâm actually in Hong Kong now.
Where the Hong Kong vids. Look forward â@@GreenyTravels
And thatâs why in my opinion having a place in the West is the best. Travel the world and have a home base in North America.
@@stevevos93232 absolutely. You need to return to the West now and then because too long in Asia you will go Koo Koo bird. Go see some of those expats that stayed in Thailand or Philippines straight for many years . They are all a ''little off". Something goes whacky with them. You need to get to West now and then
Hi Greeny..... I've been single 13 years ....Tried dating in the west for about 18 months and simply gave up.
I'm lucky living in Perth Western Australia on the doorstep of SE Asia & being able to afford to visit SE Asia 6-8 times a year.
No problems meeting amazing women in BKK, Pattaya, Jomtien, Hua Hin etc ....and the women are Polar Opposites to women in the West .
In fact I'm back in Thailand this Saturday for 2 weeks and have a couple of dates lined up Via Tinder.
Goy's if you are reading this escape the west ....Eastern Europe, South America , Asia etc etc women are traditional & feminine when you get here you will be blown away.
Dale (Perth Australia)
Canât agree with you more.
Too much to comment on regarding the west, and why you need to get out of there... but trying not to dwell on the negative... I was fortunate (but not at first), when I took the dirty jobs nobody else wanted and had to travel overseas... usually ending up training my replacements, then being kicked out the door... Ended up acquiring tons of world views, and experience... got trapped in Thailand during the covid lockdown, setup a household, and never looked back..(Buddha smiled on me). but ALWAYS have a plan B... 555
Life throws curve balls. Always have a plan B
You can have the best of both.
I do. Just spend more time here. Like 11-1 months
True, America has itâs problems but I get tired of all the âThailand is great, America sucksâ videos. Just remember America gave you the opportunities to be able to make enough money to retire and live the good life over there.
The point is that America IS great for education, career, and making money but if you are done with all that then America has some strong competition for happiness. Greeny, his friend, and myself all say we donât hate America, that we appreciate what it has given us, but we are very happy here in Thailand. You can be happy in the US but there are many equally good choices elsewhere.
Yep. I still have my house in America. So does my friend and his business. This is just the place to be for older retired guys. Gotta tell you itâs done wonders for my high blood pressure and anxiety
Good question. Why I'm leaving on my catamaran. Why would anyone waste away, here? Horribly foul mannered people of all ages. Especially the bulk of the youngsters. Just worthless.
Yea. Times have changed
Where are you now ?
@@djzrobzombie2813 Where are you? I met Rob Zombie, btw đ. Ft Myers, then Naples fairly soon. Then the Caribbean.
Once I quit my career I will be joining you in Thailand! Its been my plan B that I been working on since 2020! I have avoided dating in the US and will resume dating once I move to Asia. Hate to say it but I am not liking the culture and values that I am seeing here. Waste of money and time for me
Yep. The place is going down the toilet unfortunately
It's true, the West is in terminal decline. Go East young man.
Itâs unfortunate. I hope things turn around
@@GreenyTravels It won't in our lifetime.