I agree that some conflict within the ranks would have made things more interesting, but GL probably thought it would distract from the main narrative that the Empire is all bad. If we start having feels for the soldiers on the Death Star, we would realize NO ONE wins in a war and wouldn't celebrate as much as he wanted. The Ewoks singing at the end would be even more messed up than the rumor that they are cannibals and ate the Storm Troopers. How can you celebrate the death of thousands of conscripts doing what the Emperor commands under penalty of death? No one wants to think Luke and his friends are murderers. That's why GL made the enemies in the prequels droids. Easier to not care about the enemy.
I have always wanted a actuell light Saber but due to money that never happened. If I had my choice I always loved the saber Luke made. Hopeing to win so I can be a Jedi knight and fulfil my child hood fantasy. Thanks for doing this draw.
Remember that there was 48 minutes deleted from this . There's more than a few deleted scenes. This was because George Lucas didn't think people would sit through a 3 hour movie.
@@sheridan5175 Weird, isn't it? Films are getting longer with 3 hours seeming normal now. TV series stretch stories out to 130 episodes. Yet song intros are getting shorter because people get bored if they don't reach the "hook" within 30 seconds and some people watch CZcams videos at 1.25x or 1.5x because they're "too slow" otherwise.
"George felt that Darth Vader's choke was becoming too cliche" Thank goodness for that decision! It's much better that he doesn't use it all of the time. It makes it significantly more impactful when he does.
It's something he should definitely use. But it's something I'd only like him to use on people who really piss him off. First the dude who tried acting like The Force wasn't anything. Then the guy who Piett succeeded due to his gross incompetence. And finally Needa for his failure. Though I do wish he used his lightsaber to put the fear of god in them too
The actor who played Jerjerrod did a really good job of showing being conflicted about following Palpatine's orders and knowing that his men were on Endor. He shows the weight that's resting on his shoulders.
You're the type of person who trashed the Prequels when they came out but now call them awesome. Give it 20 years and you'll be saying how much you love Last Jedi.@@ashaw3737
Sadly all we have is George trying to burn and hide every single copy of the original releases so you can only watch heavily modified remasters that barely look like original movies
As an OT-only guy, it's always been clear to me that the high-ranking officers of the Empire regarded Darth Vader as a kind of *_esoteric thug_* who for some reason or another got in high favor of the Emperor -- without actually being part of the proper Imperial hierarchy. So they would look at Vader with a mix of bewilderment, suspicion, and partly even disdain... quickly switching into terror, if they weren't careful.
I always assumed after "A New Hope", that although Vader was high ranking there were at least a few, particularly in the military high command, equal or perhaps even higher in rank to him. Tarkin didn't seem too terribly impressed by Vader and had no problem telling Vader to cut the crap when he started force choking one of his junior officers.
I always viewed vader as being entirely outside the normal chain of command, which left him with the ability to do as he pleased as long as noone dared stand up to him... Obviously Tarkin had enough pull to actually be a threat.
@@MaMastoast I recall that Tarkin had the Emperor’s personal favour as being reliable and tactical, he was put in charge of the Death Star and was Vaders superior at that point.
@@chazo1367 It's not canon anymore, but there's a novel where it's revealed that the real reason Vader was on the Death Star was because Palpatine didn't exactly trust Tarkin with a planet destroying battle station.
Shadows of The Empire, the first major addition to the Star Wars universe after the original trilogy had Prince Xizor as a rival to Vader during the events of Empire-Jedi. This was shown in both the N64/PC game of the same name, as well as the novel.
Not only would these scenes have added tension, it would have also shown that the Death Star personnel were well aware of the Rebel ships inside and their plan. That would have added further depth overall.
This is why I think that Return of the Jedi was more wasted potential that the Prequels, just remember they chose more Ewoks instead of fleshing out the villains when the entire theme of the movie was meant to be about the power of redemption.
Have to agree, I don't really care all that much about that first deleted scene; it's whatever. The second one however, I feel it's an absolute shame it was left out as it adds so much more context to the battle. I always felt like the Imperial command wasn't doing anything during the battle of Endor; CLEARLY this scene's omission is why I've always felt that way.
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Never actually realised how important he was in the story itself, glad to see the deleted scenes but its a shame they didn't find a way to keep them in
I can see why both of these scenes were left out. The initial Jerjerrod scene only tells us that Vader values the Emperor's command above his own, and that's something we already knew. Though I have to admit, it was cool seeing the imperial guards actually do something, even if it was only implying that they would try to take on Vader, we're given no indication in the films who would win that fight so it would have been a pretty interesting addition. As for the other scenes, while I like them in theory and they seem very well done, all it would have resulted in is the invocation of a 'New Hope'. The countdown to targeting Yavin, the highest ranking officer on the bridge awaiting the final firing order, the other officers telling him of the situation and his reaction, and lets face it, the plot points involving the Battle of Endor, as much as I love it, were already heavily leaning on Yavin to begin with, so this kept it from being a carbonite (heh) copy.
@@user-iy6rm6pm4j are you talking about the red armoured guards in palpatines room in the prequels? Because those aren't imperial guards, they're the precursor too them in the same way the clones are for storm troopers, those were republic commandos selected for being loyal to Palpatine above the republic, and given special armor. The imperial guards are selected from the best and brightest of all branches of the imperial military, put through additional grueling training (and brainwashed into absolute loyalty), to the point were a single imperial gaurd showing up could change the tide of a battle. At least in the old cannon, no idea how much of that is still true.
@@jasonvoorheescampblood my dick they are, they may be, but they aint trained, as far as i remember, they are only trained in the unarmed aspect of fighting that is used by the force sensitives, but they have no formal training in using force powers... Now i dont claim to have read all of the expanded universe, but not in one book that i read had it even been passingly mentioned that they are trained in the ways of force, regardless of their capacity to be so trained...
I wish there were more moments for the Imperial officers. They add some depth the Empire. Their motivations would be interesting to counter point to the rebels. I'm glad EU materials have us a bit of that insight.
The EU definitely did a nice job humanizing the Imperials. Some of the new canon books like the Tarkin or Thrawn ones manage to do that too. It shows why people joined the Imperial Navy (horrified by the Clone Wars)
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I don't disagree with that, more moments for the officers are always welcome. But I hadalways felt that I knew some of the officers just from what we *did* see in the original trilogy... far more so than any of the First Order officers, for example.
I would've loved to see the Imperial officers react and/or doubt their orders. Could you imagine the horror of just blowing up an entire planet? I love seeing Jerjerrod truly hesitate between killing the thousands of troups under their command, and disobeying Palpatine's orders. Also, I understand why they cut the Vader scene, but I've got to admit, seeing the royal guards stand up to Vader makes them so much cooler lmao. Loved the video! Keep up the great content
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I have a different cut of the original trilogy in my head that I've been convinced would bump them up to PG-13, by making one small tweak to Vader, and a few alterations to the script. Just remove all of Vader's dialogue. Imagine if the first movie he didn't speak at all, and was just this silent, gasping(his iconic breathing sound) entity that only ever showed up to choke people out. Instead of him saying things like "FIND THOSE PLANS!" to describe his motivation, just make his generals start sweating and panicking the instant he arrives. "LORD VADER UHH.... WE UHH... WE'RE SEARCHING AS FADT AS WE CAN FOR THE REBEL PLANS, BUT YOU SEE ACH-..... GGNNNGHH........ ACCCCHHHH!"(choked to death) Vader silently walks away, and the next general is TERRIFIED to replace the last one, and simply shouts the new orders. The first movie(a new hope) has no dialogue from him at all. The first line we actually hear from Darth Vader would simply be when he tells Luke "I am your father, search it, you know it to be true"(yes I know I butchered one of the most iconic lines in film, but I also vividly recall everyone misquotes it too). Imagine the pants-shitting terror when you finally hear his voice, and it's James Early Jones badass deep as fuck voice, telling this to Luke. Then finally for the third movie, we've removed that layer of mystery from him, and we can insert some more dialogue for him and get more of a performance from James earlJones. My only real issue with doing this is that it does remove James Earl Jones iconicvoice acting, but..... idk, I just think Vader could be made so much more ominous and terrifying that I think it would pay off overall. .
He would've had a giant bullseye on his back if he had killed his own men. No one would want to serve under him, those that did serve wouldn't respect his authority, and there would likely be some who would be tempted to avenge their fallen comrades.
I was hoping that introducing Finn in Ep7 would provide an opportunity to show what it was like to be working for the Empire, maybe getting him into some moral quandry when he meets his old friends on the other side of the battle field. Unfortunately none of that happened.
This also shows how the empire can grow so big, it doesn’t seem logical to be this many completely evil people in the galaxy but there can for sure be this many people that wants to success in what they do (also they join bc of fear of the empire ofc)
This is already implied in a new hope when Luke mentioned at the beginning that he wants to join the Empire as a fighter pilot and that his friends already had
while i completelty agree with you, i would doubt someone who has reached so high in the imperial command wouldnt believe in the ways of the Empire / be "evil"
@@SeanGamePlay1 Maybe not in most cases but we can for example see agent kallus who has been schooled to belive in the ways of the empire and still change side after he got to know one rebel, I think there is conflict in many of them
This is a contrast between Imperial Officers and the ones from the First Order. The later act like a bunch of exaggerated cartoon characters, whereas the Imperials are just people doing their job.
@@StarWarsAnalyst What is frightening about the Imperials were they are "space nazis" and just like nazis they rationalized their actions "I was only following orders". The First Order officers yes come across more cartoonish due to lacking this characteristic.
@@Eric-ef5qm That's what makes the First Order so terrifying and a more relevant villainous organisation in the modern day; they're people who with all the benefits of hindsight and history looked at the space nazis and said "yeah, these are the people I want to emulate!" imo that's scary af that there were enough people like that to build a whole faction.
See now this is like why we needed an extended edition, like Lord of the Rings, with all the deleted scenes made up properly as it fleshes out the universe so much. Can you imagine how cool it would be to have a prequel/original trilogy boxset with ALL scenes in it?
These clips are amazing. I wish they would release uncut directors versions of the movies. I would love to see a 4 hour version of episode 3 and extended versions of all the others.
I think the reason Lucas removed those scenes is that it throws into question the motives of the people inside the Empire itself. Up until this point, we are to believe the Rebels are a force of good, and the Empire is a force of evil. The deleted scenes would blur the lines a bit and, while it's more realistic and nuanced, create sympathy for officers in the Empire. Maybe Lucas preferred to keep it simple and have viewers easily side with the Rebels and cheer for victory.
I think Jerjerrod being afraid of Vader at the beginning, then standing up to him once Palpatine arrives shows that he is a cowardly opportunist. He likes to flex his power over people when he thinks he can get away with it, and knowing that Vader wasn't on the best of terms with Palpy may have inspired him to step up and talk back because he figured the Emperor would have his back... but then he gets choked and immediately falls back into cowering.
Well come on ... what are you supposed to do when somebody starts choking you to death without even touching you?? Me, hell, I'd not only back down and cower, I'd offer to polish his shoes ... helmet ... codpiece ... everything!
Not sure if that really tracks though... as at the opening of the film while Jerjerrod is shown to be intimidated by Vader, he is clearly much more freaked out when told that the Emperor will be arriving in person. He doesn't show anything outwardly that suggests he thinks the Emperor would "have his back". "He is quite displeased with your apparent lack of progress" "Then we shall double our efforts!" "I hope so Commander, for your sake, the Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" If anything this lays out that Vader is the right hand man and that Jerjerrod would rather deal with Vader then the Emperor himself. Unless there is another scene or bit of exposition that lets the audience know that Jerjerrod has an angle, then the deleted scene showing Jerjerrod's flex on Vader doesn't make much sense.
Fascinating info about Jerjerrod having more of a role, beyond terrified and emasculated officer. I always loved the opening scene between him and Vader.
@@legionarybooks13 this was because of the time of the 80s people were used to the typical good guys vs bad guys and so they didn’t want to humanize the bad guys and all that stuff
@@legionarybooks13 In TESB, Captain Needa willingly takes the fall for losing Millennium Falcon, which of course gets him choked to death by Vader. General Veers tries to defend Admiral Ozzel so that Vader would spare the latter's life.
It would be cool to see a Director's Cut of the original trilogy using these deleted scenes. I've always loved the deleted scene in the Empire Strikes Back where C-3PO rips a warning sign off of a door on the Hoth Rebel base, and a Snowtrooper opens the door moments later and is dragged inside by the trapped Wampa. Just this one deleted scene of Jerjerrod and Vader adds another layer to this already mythic saga and shows that not everyone in the Empire is the embodiment of evil like the Emperor.
A director's cut of Empire and Jedi are impossible as both director's are deceased And George already did his director's cut of A New Hope Three times LOL 1997-2004-2011
As an OT-only guy, it's always been clear to me that the high-ranking officers of the Empire regarded Darth Vader as a kind of *_esoteric thug_* who for some reason or another got in high favor of the Emperor -- without actually being part of the proper Imperial hierarchy. So they would look at Vader with a mix of bewilderment, suspicion, and partly even disdain... quickly switching into terror, if they weren't careful.
Naw instead we get re-releases of the same movies every 5 years with slapped together CGI shit thrown in like it was Lucas’ vision the whole time. It’s like everyone involved in the Star Wars MOVIES are brain dead sometimes
@@TechnoEstate so a real life parallel would be the Imperial military officer corps being the equivalent of the regular German military (Wermacht)and Vader being the equivalent of some high ranking Nazi SS Einsatzgruppen (Death Squad) Officer LOL
Wait-does this make sense? I feel like the later scene was deleted because it is confusing, at best. They need the shield provided by the shield generator on the moon. The reason it’s bad if the Rebels take the generator station is that they can blow it up, thus depriving the Death Star II of its shield and leaving it vulnerable. So once the Rebels have control of the shield generator, the Emperor’s solution is to destroy the entire moon, therefore guaranteeing that the Death Star II is without a shield and eliminating any possibility of retaking the generator station and turning the shield back on‽ Even for a “plays both sides” puppet master, making it impossible to restore the shields for the station he’s currently in sounds like a Pyrrhic strategy.
The second scene where Jerjerrod orders "Commence firing" would've been great if it came right before the Executor crashed into the station. That would've really rammed home how close the Rebels came to losing.
This adds so much context to Vader’s submissiveness not to mention depth to the imperial lore and an interesting subplot. I always found it odd how Luke drags Vader out to the docking area at the end and none of the imperials are like “holy shit the #2 boss is half dead over here.” If there’s some degree of condescension in addition to the fear, that might better explain the whole attitude toward him.
I like how Jerjerrod had apprehension about his orders. I think they dropped that scene though because it was a little too similar to circumstances at the end of A New Hope. I definitely think the choke scene should have been included, not cliché, Vader’s signature move!
I think a force choke is cliche but building a second Death Star is original seems very odd. And I liked the scene with Jejerrod as you see him hesitate on his order to fire. If it was just rebels probably no hesitation. But his own men? That is far even for them. It shows imperial military are not faceless goons. But people with all the good and bad that carries.
Yeah, I think calling the Force grip (to use what it was called in video games where you could actually do it to people) cliche and saying Vader shouldn't do it is like saying Ric Flair shouldn't do the figure four leg lock because it's cliche. He might've done it a few times before, but that's exactly why fans want to see it!
Jeremy Frost, exactly. My favourite Vader video game memory though is the opening level of The Force Unleashed the one you play as Vader to open the narrative, I force pushed a stormtrooper off a cliff because he got in my way. I felt I did Vader proud.
I think the force grip scene was deleted because the story Lucas wanted to tell was the redemption of Anakin. If Vader snaps the dude's head off it kinda kills the idea of him being redeemable.
I love the conflict Michael Pennington shows when jerjerodd is ordering to fire on Endor. He has this determination and loyalty, or fear I guess, for both sides of the empire
As cool as some of these scenes are, there is a reason they are cut out. The scene with Moff might seem very interesting, but remember what happened with Episode 1? You had an ending with 4 different stories all fighting for your emotional attention. 3 is about the max number you can get away with. Which is what is in the final cut.
I feel these scenes should have been kept in. It adds so much depth and complexity to the morality of the saga. It makes it less black and white, it's more than a simple good Vs evil. With them kept in we can still see the Empire has to be stopped, but it's a matter of differing ideals, not blind hatred for the cartoonishly evil bad guys. Would have elevated the writing. I guess it may have been too complex for a younger audience though so I guess I see why they kept them out.
Have to agree, These removed scenes would have made many characters have more depth and make the movies more thought provoking. Also would have made ROTJ much more entertaining, but push a more mature standing on the movie-goers. Also would have liked the original version of the ewoks to show them as a more natural predator (more velociraptor monster than teddy bears).
It's the one big gripe I have about Star Wars: it's overly simplified good vs evil. It kills suspension of disbelief, because of how unrealistically two-sided the whole thing is. There is no such thing as inherently evil and good people, and I couldn't bear watching something that made so little sense.
Honestly if it's ever repackaged the OT should include all the deleted scenes so that the younger audiences can enjoy the more simpler version and we the adult audience can enjoy the more advanced version of the OT if that makes sense
Agreed - I think there is an Episode of the Clone Wars that actually showed ordinary people who wanted to live under the Empire because it offered them stability. It makes it more interesting.
He's definitely one of the more sympathetic Imperial officers. I also always liked Admiral Piett - he did what he was told without a lot of attitude, and was polite and respectful to Vader.
Wasn't Piett the one who in the old expanded universe lore managed to cobble together part of the empire back together and actually ran it pretty well, joining forces with the New Republic when the Yuzan Vong attacked?
You failed to mention the bigger reveal which was kind of left in. Palps orders Vader to the command ship to await "further orders". Palps knows that the Rebel fleet is on its way, and he has forseen Vaders death in the up coming battle. That is why after Vader senses Luke landing on Endor he returns to Palps this is where the deleted scene is. Palps is shocked and pissed that Vader is back which we see.
The novelization includes the Emperor's order but I believe Jerjerrod's deeper development and personal conflict was removed (it's been 20 years but I vaguely recall him being confident in his command). The rivalry with Vader was also not present to my recollection Side note: also in the novelization: Ben Kenobi explaining to Luke how watching Vader claw his way out of the lava pit affirmed to him that Vader had truly fallen to the dark side.
These deleted always seem nice to watch with the old movies. It actually does bring more tension if the deleted scenes were kept. I think it would add more for side characters to have more screen time and show that the main characters could possibly not survive.
Those scenes are pretty cool. I’ve always been a fan the Emperor’s Royal Guards wanted to see them in action and a fight with Vader would of been pretty awesome
I really like this vid. Had never seen or heard of these deleted scenes (and the bunker interior fight). I really wish they’d stayed in the final cut. Vader competing with or being subordinate to a regular human, at the Emperor’s command, really works to emphasise that no matter how powerful Vader is, there is a bigger power than he. Plus, Jerjerrod gets actual development and doesn’t come across as such a wet blanket. Kudos to Jerjerrod’s actor: I can really feel his torment over giving the firing order when he knows many of his men will also be vapourised.
The problem with the logic of JJ being a rival, makes no sense he wasn't high ranking enough. Compare this to the likes of all the admirals in ANH, along with tarkin. They actually were rivals in many senses to Vader.
@@THX113820 agreed, on the rank disparity with JJ. I think it was best shown off in an EU book (I want to say, Death Star?) where Sidious tells Vader he is seconding him as punishment and that Vader _must_ obey Tarkin.
So many of the deleted scenes would have been cool to be in the movie and a lot of them gives us more of the story if you will. I would love to see a version that has those scenes in included.
I commented earlier on how I felt the battle of Endor would have been improved if the Ewoks had been replaced with the battle with the stormtroopers in the station. Maybe fooling the commander with a mind trick to get into the emperor's chambers would've gotten around the Force choke (I wish I could do both of these). And adding the attempted blowing up Endor scene would've made this an entirely different movie. It might have ended up being better than Empire! But we will never know, unless George decides to release this version of it.
its a matter of Pacing. The Ewok battle ends before the Rebel Fleet starts it attack. Luke takes care of his confrontation with Vader right as the Rebels begin their attack inside the Death Star. The destruction of the Death Star take center stage as the final act. with one last cut showing Luke escaping. too much clutter ruins movies. One thing would be to make all the good deleted scenes "cannon" so while not shown in the movie they are things that happened in the Starwars trilogy universe- the Moff really was ordered to fire on the moon and really did question his orders- Luke's interaction with his friends at Toshe Station really did go down like that- his final meeting with Bigs before they joined the Rebels was like that
@@MrChickennugget360 I think there would be a way to cut the footage in a way that allows the battle in the bunker to take place. It would be pretty truncated, but it could exist.
The mind trick only works on the weak-minded. To have the commander succumb to it would have diminished him to the level of a paper pusher who was promoted to a position he wasn't suited to fill.
I've seen the bunker video on your channel - the only one that showcases these deleted scenes. I don't understand why it is that they don't release these to the public for everyone to see in one reel. But I am glad that you have. Thank you so much for sharing these with us. It's nice to see what we've been missing all this time.
I like the scenes involving Jarjarrod and his orders to fire the death star laser on Endor. It definitely would have added more tension and urgency to the overall sequence of the rebel fighters attacking the infrastructure of the base. But I can understand why it was removed from the film, as it would have taken away from the climax of the forest moon battle and more importantly the showdown between Vader and Luke.
🤯 I love how you can see the conflict on the Moff’a face! I know he was a villain, but I honestly feel sorry for the guy. Can you imagine he was on the Rebel’s side? Would he have been a competent general, or a soldier trying to climb his way to the top? My gut says that he would have eventually joined the Empire.
@@barcabocalda2583 an antagonist you sympathize with is still an antagonist. “ The antihero is a protagonist just like the hero and heroine are. The difference that sets the antihero apart is that he/she lacks the conventional traits of a traditional hero/heroine. The antihero tends to lack traits like morality and nobility and are often a darker and more controversial character.”
I have always liked Darth Vader even when Star Wars First came out. Back in the early 80's I was Darth Vader for Halloween one year the only thing is I didn't have a Light Saber but I had a light up sword but it was ok to me then. But Star Wars has Always been My Favorite.
I can't believe I've never seen these scenes before. Very cool. I still think it's likely that removing it was for the best. It might have added some additional tension, but it would have divided the focus for the movie, and negatively affected pacing. Sometimes keeping things simple is best. EDIT: fixed a typo.
He must have told all his friends what a big role he had in Jedi and then it came out, most of his scenes were cut, and they were like, “You had one line, biatch.”
That would have been great tension knowing it's not just the fleet being in danger, but also the heroes on the moon. Brilliant scene cut. Adding much needed Gray to the black and white, Good versus Evil comparison between the empire and the rebels. Such Gray is making the new Andor series the best Star Wars entertainment
I liked this from the novelization. It was the Emperor's way of putting Luke in a no-win situation, where he could spare the lives below if he gave up the fight on Death Star II.
I’ve always hoped for stories that were from an Imperial POV and where they were not in the role as villains, peacekeeping missions or something like that.
I would love to pitch a star wars movie with an imperial mutiny on a star destroyer post- ROTJ. One-side ahrd-core Imperial Remnant types and the other side trying too stop the cruel destructive actions after the fall the Emperor.
Well, it is called a "sanctuary moon," so we've got that. My take was that it was set up for the Ewoks to maintain their culture, asking only space for the shield generator in return. That would explain why the Emperor would want it destroyed in these scenes--vengeance against those annoying ingrates who turned against the Empire,
The two scenes of the Emperor telling Jerjerrod to blow up the moon and then attempting to do so when the shield generator falls explains part of a plot hole that never made sense. I could never figure out why the Death Star stopped taking out Rebel capital ships. There were hundreds of Star Destroyers and only a handful of Rebel ships. Some of it was explained with the charge time of the super laser, but the idea they didn't get firing cause they were preparing to blow up the moon makes so much more sense.
There were a few deleted scenes from Return that would have answered some questions and also change the dynamic of the movie. And that line when he says "the rebel fleet is moving to the unfinished portion" clears up why there was a ship sized gap to the main reactor.
It seems like, since they were actually orbiting Endor (or Sancuary Moon, or whatever its called) they would be too close to blow it up. (Unlike in A New Hope, where they were a good distance away from Alderaan and Yavin IV.) Maybe it was just going to be a less powerful blast, like the one in Rogue One.
@@devinthierault Well, he was *on* the Death Star, when it was supposed to fire. Plus the space station was supposed to keep the galaxy in line after the Rebellion was crushed. It was definitely meant to survive.
Very interesting! I wonder if Lucas cut the scenes because it would have been too reminiscent of the final countdown in ANH with the Death Star seconds from blowing up Yavin IV? It’s essentially exactly the plot device and ROTJ already suffers slightly from reusing elements from ANH (Tattooine again, Death Star again)
I have seen these deleted scenes before and wish the story line was left in the final cut. The scenes would have provided a more edginess to the overall battle and all these years later would have tied in perfectly with the emperor's contingency plan of Operation Cinder
I always thought that Jerjerrod was the best Imperial commander (shown on film). His character deserved more attention, and his death over Endor was ridiculous.
@@classicgalactica5879 Good points, but the Imperial Navy was the Empire's primary force projector. We can't build starships ourselves, but we could defeat any Imperial ground forces depicted so far with our current technology. Even primitive physical traps could disable AT-AT's, and Chicken Walkers.
@@andrewstrongman305 True, but with the possible exception of Admiral Piett, General Veers seemed to be one of the few truly competent Imperial commanders shown in the original trilogy. Veers and Piett seemed to be the only two which actually had Vader's respect.
I always like seeing non main characters in movies and TV shows like this! It’s cool to see the people who actually have to carry out the orders of evil people and see their hardship.
I'm actually glad they left out the part with Moff Jerjerrod stopping Vader. It would have taken away from the overall feeling the movie gave of Vader and Palpatine and also would have made Vader's turning on Palpatine less of a surprise.
Vader definitely felt a lot more passive in rotj. There wasn't any scene of him killing or attacking anyone apart from Luke (in which he essentially held back). Really you could feel the conflict and tension within him. As cool as that scene was, I understand why they left it out
From the novelization and other material we know Jerjerrod is not a nice guy by any stretch, but I do like the material in the deleted scenes that show he's committed to his men to a degree we've not seen in previous Imperial commanders. It gives him a nice extra layer.
In the original novelization (pre-Disney), he does have the station turned on the Endor Moon, but I don't recall the countdown to the firing solution being there, since he was too caught up in his internal monologue.
@@sheev2829 Of course I am. Unlike some people that can only crap over people's hard work, I am able to watch and enjoy something that I have loved since childhood.
@@Arbbal Said novelization also has Obi-Wan refer to Owen Lars as *his* brother, and claim that Vader never knew his wife was pregnant. I'm not sure George Lucas considers it canon, either.
I do enjoy watching deleted scenes because of the additional story telling and details they often include. The Moff was certainly a much more in depth character than he was seen as in the movie.
That's a good point. Also the shockwave of the planet explosion most likely would have caused serious damage or maybe even destroy the death star. Maybe that's why they deleted it?
@@DRYeisleysCreations well for him it was a win lose situation or lose lose situation, shoot the moon and kill everyone including the rebels and yourself, or dont shoot the moon and only you die
The idea that a Jedi Mind trick would work on an Emperor's Royal Guard, some of the most elite and well trained and lethal units in the Empire...This alone makes me glad they deleted it.
I can only imaging the nervous crowds in the cinemas, chewing their fingernails and waiting with baited breath, wondering whether the rebels would survive. The scene was probably also too political to use as it reminds me of a real life close escape we also had with a certain unsung hero (Stanislav Petrov) Would you press the button what causes a nuclear war? Maybe this one is not totally the same...but it's frightening similar.
That’s actually really cool. I didn’t know that and I think it would have really drive home how far Anakin/Vader really was down the chain of command. It’s covered in the graphic novels, but not the movies.
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I agree that some conflict within the ranks would have made things more interesting, but GL probably thought it would distract from the main narrative that the Empire is all bad. If we start having feels for the soldiers on the Death Star, we would realize NO ONE wins in a war and wouldn't celebrate as much as he wanted.
The Ewoks singing at the end would be even more messed up than the rumor that they are cannibals and ate the Storm Troopers. How can you celebrate the death of thousands of conscripts doing what the Emperor commands under penalty of death?
No one wants to think Luke and his friends are murderers. That's why GL made the enemies in the prequels droids. Easier to not care about the enemy.
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Great info.
Never knew this existed.
Many of the deleted scenes are indeed very interesting. Most of them elevate the plot consistency of the movies.
Remember that there was 48 minutes deleted from this . There's more than a few deleted scenes. This was because George Lucas didn't think people would sit through a 3 hour movie.
@@alexkoronec4326 They would now, at least
@@sheridan5175 My idea exactly, once you have seen the movie a dozens times you´d kill for 48 minutes more.
@@sheridan5175 Weird, isn't it? Films are getting longer with 3 hours seeming normal now. TV series stretch stories out to 130 episodes. Yet song intros are getting shorter because people get bored if they don't reach the "hook" within 30 seconds and some people watch CZcams videos at 1.25x or 1.5x because they're "too slow" otherwise.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Yeah, honestly don't know if our attention spans are getting better or worse or both
"George felt that Darth Vader's choke was becoming too cliche"
Thank goodness for that decision! It's much better that he doesn't use it all of the time. It makes it significantly more impactful when he does.
100%, the dude in the video sounds like he doesn't quite understand the cinema.
@@Piterixos Yeah, I appreciate him bringing attention to these clips, but he definitely doesn't seem like he'd make the best director.
Considering how often he used it just in Empire alone, it was probably a good call.
@@benjamintherogue2421 you often find the people that know the solution to things like directing would sink a film to the ground
It's something he should definitely use. But it's something I'd only like him to use on people who really piss him off. First the dude who tried acting like The Force wasn't anything. Then the guy who Piett succeeded due to his gross incompetence. And finally Needa for his failure.
Though I do wish he used his lightsaber to put the fear of god in them too
The actor who played Jerjerrod did a really good job of showing being conflicted about following Palpatine's orders and knowing that his men were on Endor. He shows the weight that's resting on his shoulders.
And yet he made the decision nonetheless. A conflicted fascist is still a fascist.
Exactly a true professional actor rather than the silliness from the Sequel trilogy.
You're the type of person who trashed the Prequels when they came out but now call them awesome. Give it 20 years and you'll be saying how much you love Last Jedi.@@ashaw3737
@@ben10the10 Yep, he's still a bad guy, but it's realistic that he would show hesitation about blowing up his own men, he is not a Sith after all.
@@ashaw3737 What does the sequel trilogy have to do with anything? Are you one of those neckbeards that gets upset about Palpatine returning somehow?
After so many years we should have had an extended edition already with all deleted scenes put together, these two are cool! 🙌
Sadly all we have is George trying to burn and hide every single copy of the original releases so you can only watch heavily modified remasters that barely look like original movies
@@MrLeSa95 You are not actually believing this crap are you?
@@LightningQ7 what crap?
@@MrLeSa95 That George is trying to destroy the originals
@@crassus300 lmao George said it himself you weirdo
As an OT-only guy, it's always been clear to me that the high-ranking officers of the Empire regarded Darth Vader as a kind of *_esoteric thug_* who for some reason or another got in high favor of the Emperor -- without actually being part of the proper Imperial hierarchy. So they would look at Vader with a mix of bewilderment, suspicion, and partly even disdain... quickly switching into terror, if they weren't careful.
Totally agree. What do you think of the tension in ESB between Vader and the officers when Vader hires bounty hunters?
A bit like Rasputin, yeah?
I always see Vader as a "Paladin" of the "Pope" (Palpatine) and he Hunt and Kill The enemies of his "Religion" and Master
@@Kravenrogue oh that's cool! Vader was on a dark inquisition.
I like the way y'all think. We need our own forum.
I always assumed after "A New Hope", that although Vader was high ranking there were at least a few, particularly in the military high command, equal or perhaps even higher in rank to him. Tarkin didn't seem too terribly impressed by Vader and had no problem telling Vader to cut the crap when he started force choking one of his junior officers.
I always viewed vader as being entirely outside the normal chain of command, which left him with the ability to do as he pleased as long as noone dared stand up to him... Obviously Tarkin had enough pull to actually be a threat.
@@MaMastoast I recall that Tarkin had the Emperor’s personal favour as being reliable and tactical, he was put in charge of the Death Star and was Vaders superior at that point.
erm.. that "junior officer" youre referring to there was actually an admiral ;)
@@chazo1367 It's not canon anymore, but there's a novel where it's revealed that the real reason Vader was on the Death Star was because Palpatine didn't exactly trust Tarkin with a planet destroying battle station.
@@ComradeNerd I mean, that makes sense too, the emperor would be paranoid.
I wish there was a Star Wars "What if..." show about alternative scenes like these. I think it would have been really cool to see a rival for Vader
Search for the Star Wars infinities comics by Dark Horse. They show a "What if" to the OT.
There is a channel on yt that does that extremely well. From books, comics, movies and all
Shadows of The Empire, the first major addition to the Star Wars universe after the original trilogy had Prince Xizor as a rival to Vader during the events of Empire-Jedi. This was shown in both the N64/PC game of the same name, as well as the novel.
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Seema unreasomable to push that much money into a project like that.
But as others said, and the fact that it exists, a book/comic makes more sense...
I always love getting a look at the PEOPLE in the Empire, really fleshes out the universe.
Not only would these scenes have added tension, it would have also shown that the Death Star personnel were well aware of the Rebel ships inside and their plan. That would have added further depth overall.
This is why I think that Return of the Jedi was more wasted potential that the Prequels, just remember they chose more Ewoks instead of fleshing out the villains when the entire theme of the movie was meant to be about the power of redemption.
The reason they were most likely cut out is because they were too close to the ending scenes of A New Hope. It was almost exactly the same plot line.
@@FH-cn3mg The movie industry has certainly proven that they're not above producing carbon copy movies.
@@uncaboat2399 But George Lucas has
Have to agree, I don't really care all that much about that first deleted scene; it's whatever. The second one however, I feel it's an absolute shame it was left out as it adds so much more context to the battle. I always felt like the Imperial command wasn't doing anything during the battle of Endor; CLEARLY this scene's omission is why I've always felt that way.
I've seen both of these scenes before and they do give Jerjerrod a lot more depth.
If there's one thing that's been keeping me awake since 1983, it's "I wonder what that minor character was really like as a person?"
The only depth he had was just grave.
I'd never seen them. Where do these deleted scenes come from? Are they getting released on Disney Plus?
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WE MUST....UNLEARN WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED....LIVE ISNOT BORING..NO THIS ISNT ALL THERE IS TO JUST ENTERTAIN OURSELVES ALL DAY AND THERES NO BATTLE TO CARVE OUR CHARECTER...THERES A BIG BATTLE ..RIGHT NOW..AGAINST ROGAN...AGAINST ALL OF US..DEATH BY 10000 WOUNDS..THE PRIZE IS OUR ATTENTION SPANS...THEY WANT US DISTRACTED SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO OUR MOVIES..OUR CHILDREN..OUR HEALTH..BUT WE ARE NERDS..ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATED BUT ALWAYS BECOME VINDICATED. BUT EVERYTIME WE LOOK UP.THEY GET CAUGHT DOING DUMB SHIT THEN PLAY THE FOOL...WE ARE THE FOOLS
Never actually realised how important he was in the story itself, glad to see the deleted scenes but its a shame they didn't find a way to keep them in
I can see why both of these scenes were left out. The initial Jerjerrod scene only tells us that Vader values the Emperor's command above his own, and that's something we already knew. Though I have to admit, it was cool seeing the imperial guards actually do something, even if it was only implying that they would try to take on Vader, we're given no indication in the films who would win that fight so it would have been a pretty interesting addition. As for the other scenes, while I like them in theory and they seem very well done, all it would have resulted in is the invocation of a 'New Hope'. The countdown to targeting Yavin, the highest ranking officer on the bridge awaiting the final firing order, the other officers telling him of the situation and his reaction, and lets face it, the plot points involving the Battle of Endor, as much as I love it, were already heavily leaning on Yavin to begin with, so this kept it from being a carbonite (heh) copy.
But the Imperial Guards lasted 0.002 seconds against Yoda. There's not that much difference between Yoda and Vader, power-wise.
@@user-iy6rm6pm4j are you talking about the red armoured guards in palpatines room in the prequels? Because those aren't imperial guards, they're the precursor too them in the same way the clones are for storm troopers, those were republic commandos selected for being loyal to Palpatine above the republic, and given special armor. The imperial guards are selected from the best and brightest of all branches of the imperial military, put through additional grueling training (and brainwashed into absolute loyalty), to the point were a single imperial gaurd showing up could change the tide of a battle. At least in the old cannon, no idea how much of that is still true.
@@bradleyprimeau3418 weren't the original Red Guards just Senate Guards or Senate Commandos?
@@camillosteuss the imperial guards actually ARE force sensitive
@@jasonvoorheescampblood my dick they are, they may be, but they aint trained, as far as i remember, they are only trained in the unarmed aspect of fighting that is used by the force sensitives, but they have no formal training in using force powers... Now i dont claim to have read all of the expanded universe, but not in one book that i read had it even been passingly mentioned that they are trained in the ways of force, regardless of their capacity to be so trained...
I wish there were more moments for the Imperial officers. They add some depth the Empire. Their motivations would be interesting to counter point to the rebels. I'm glad EU materials have us a bit of that insight.
The EU definitely did a nice job humanizing the Imperials. Some of the new canon books like the Tarkin or Thrawn ones manage to do that too. It shows why people joined the Imperial Navy (horrified by the Clone Wars)
Where(in what country) was this scene deleted? The first time star wars (original trilogy) was shown it included all these scenes in australia and nz.
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@@therealemperorpalpatine Please, troll elsewhere. You're ruining the conversation.
I don't disagree with that, more moments for the officers are always welcome. But I hadalways felt that I knew some of the officers just from what we *did* see in the original trilogy... far more so than any of the First Order officers, for example.
I would've loved to see the Imperial officers react and/or doubt their orders. Could you imagine the horror of just blowing up an entire planet? I love seeing Jerjerrod truly hesitate between killing the thousands of troups under their command, and disobeying Palpatine's orders.
Also, I understand why they cut the Vader scene, but I've got to admit, seeing the royal guards stand up to Vader makes them so much cooler lmao.
Loved the video! Keep up the great content
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I have a different cut of the original trilogy in my head that I've been convinced would bump them up to PG-13, by making one small tweak to Vader, and a few alterations to the script.
Just remove all of Vader's dialogue. Imagine if the first movie he didn't speak at all, and was just this silent, gasping(his iconic breathing sound) entity that only ever showed up to choke people out. Instead of him saying things like "FIND THOSE PLANS!" to describe his motivation, just make his generals start sweating and panicking the instant he arrives. "LORD VADER UHH.... WE UHH... WE'RE SEARCHING AS FADT AS WE CAN FOR THE REBEL PLANS, BUT YOU SEE ACH-..... GGNNNGHH........ ACCCCHHHH!"(choked to death)
Vader silently walks away, and the next general is TERRIFIED to replace the last one, and simply shouts the new orders.
The first movie(a new hope) has no dialogue from him at all.
The first line we actually hear from Darth Vader would simply be when he tells Luke "I am your father, search it, you know it to be true"(yes I know I butchered one of the most iconic lines in film, but I also vividly recall everyone misquotes it too). Imagine the pants-shitting terror when you finally hear his voice, and it's James Early Jones badass deep as fuck voice, telling this to Luke.
Then finally for the third movie, we've removed that layer of mystery from him, and we can insert some more dialogue for him and get more of a performance from James earlJones.
My only real issue with doing this is that it does remove James Earl Jones iconicvoice acting, but..... idk, I just think Vader could be made so much more ominous and terrifying that I think it would pay off overall. .
He would've had a giant bullseye on his back if he had killed his own men. No one would want to serve under him, those that did serve wouldn't respect his authority, and there would likely be some who would be tempted to avenge their fallen comrades.
@@whitealliance9540 no
@@ComradeNerd who are you talking about, Vader or Jerjerrod?
I was hoping that introducing Finn in Ep7 would provide an opportunity to show what it was like to be working for the Empire, maybe getting him into some moral quandry when he meets his old friends on the other side of the battle field.
Unfortunately none of that happened.
Yes but those responsibilities all fell to the original trilogy at first but they also failed
Andor has a great look into that. Some of the best stuff in the franchise
This also shows how the empire can grow so big, it doesn’t seem logical to be this many completely evil people in the galaxy but there can for sure be this many people that wants to success in what they do (also they join bc of fear of the empire ofc)
This is already implied in a new hope when Luke mentioned at the beginning that he wants to join the Empire as a fighter pilot and that his friends already had
@@APGT90 yeah
while i completelty agree with you, i would doubt someone who has reached so high in the imperial command wouldnt believe in the ways of the Empire / be "evil"
@@SeanGamePlay1 Maybe not in most cases but we can for example see agent kallus who has been schooled to belive in the ways of the empire and still change side after he got to know one rebel, I think there is conflict in many of them
@@APGT90 sure that was good but it would still be nice to see it from another point of view as well;)
This is a contrast between Imperial Officers and the ones from the First Order.
The later act like a bunch of exaggerated cartoon characters, whereas the Imperials are just people doing their job.
I know. It really annoys me how clownish they are in the sequels
@@StarWarsAnalyst What is frightening about the Imperials were they are "space nazis" and just like nazis they rationalized their actions "I was only following orders". The First Order officers yes come across more cartoonish due to lacking this characteristic.
@@Eric-ef5qm That's what makes the First Order so terrifying and a more relevant villainous organisation in the modern day; they're people who with all the benefits of hindsight and history looked at the space nazis and said "yeah, these are the people I want to emulate!" imo that's scary af that there were enough people like that to build a whole faction.
@@Pickled_Dill Unfortunately their general behaviour makes them as scary as a wet towel.
Everything sucks in the sequels... Just look how the X wing pilots behave.
See now this is like why we needed an extended edition, like Lord of the Rings, with all the deleted scenes made up properly as it fleshes out the universe so much.
Can you imagine how cool it would be to have a prequel/original trilogy boxset with ALL scenes in it?
I'd rather not have the extended Luke/Leia kiss though.
@@killvader1001 Well not every deleted scene hopefully.
@@killvader1001 that's a thing? God no!
@@docjohnsmith7857 oh yeah, it really sets up the Han/Luke/Leia love triangle. Also check out the original ESB trailer narrated by Harrison ford 🤮
@@killvader1001 Jesus. Will do, thanks man!
These clips are amazing. I wish they would release uncut directors versions of the movies. I would love to see a 4 hour version of episode 3 and extended versions of all the others.
That’s the dream
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I think the reason Lucas removed those scenes is that it throws into question the motives of the people inside the Empire itself. Up until this point, we are to believe the Rebels are a force of good, and the Empire is a force of evil. The deleted scenes would blur the lines a bit and, while it's more realistic and nuanced, create sympathy for officers in the Empire. Maybe Lucas preferred to keep it simple and have viewers easily side with the Rebels and cheer for victory.
I think Jerjerrod being afraid of Vader at the beginning, then standing up to him once Palpatine arrives shows that he is a cowardly opportunist. He likes to flex his power over people when he thinks he can get away with it, and knowing that Vader wasn't on the best of terms with Palpy may have inspired him to step up and talk back because he figured the Emperor would have his back... but then he gets choked and immediately falls back into cowering.
That just shows he isnt stupid lol.
@@thehighground3630 He is stupid for even trying to shit talk Lord Vader.
Well come on ... what are you supposed to do when somebody starts choking you to death without even touching you??
Me, hell, I'd not only back down and cower, I'd offer to polish his shoes ... helmet ... codpiece ... everything!
@@FreakDaMIghet Maybe he's the only one that only realized Darth is just an evil man under plastic.
Not sure if that really tracks though... as at the opening of the film while Jerjerrod is shown to be intimidated by Vader, he is clearly much more freaked out when told that the Emperor will be arriving in person. He doesn't show anything outwardly that suggests he thinks the Emperor would "have his back".
"He is quite displeased with your apparent lack of progress"
"Then we shall double our efforts!"
"I hope so Commander, for your sake, the Emperor is not as forgiving as I am"
If anything this lays out that Vader is the right hand man and that Jerjerrod would rather deal with Vader then the Emperor himself. Unless there is another scene or bit of exposition that lets the audience know that Jerjerrod has an angle, then the deleted scene showing Jerjerrod's flex on Vader doesn't make much sense.
I love watching deleted scenes. This not only adds needed back story but gives us an insight to why things went the way they did.
Thanks for sharing
Fascinating info about Jerjerrod having more of a role, beyond terrified and emasculated officer. I always loved the opening scene between him and Vader.
George Lucas should of never sold Star Wars to Disney. Big mistake.
It was only a natural reaction for all the hate he got for the prequels. Can't blame him, honestly. But yeah, I get what you mean
@@Mariojinn2hush mo ron😂
I like that second scene with Moff Jerjerrod, it does add a lot more tension to the final battle.
Tension and humanity, which is sadly lacking from any Imperial in the OT (though they're still my favourite overall).
@@legionarybooks13 this was because of the time of the 80s people were used to the typical good guys vs bad guys and so they didn’t want to humanize the bad guys and all that stuff
@@legionarybooks13 In TESB, Captain Needa willingly takes the fall for losing Millennium Falcon, which of course gets him choked to death by Vader. General Veers tries to defend Admiral Ozzel so that Vader would spare the latter's life.
It would be cool to see a Director's Cut of the original trilogy using these deleted scenes. I've always loved the deleted scene in the Empire Strikes Back where C-3PO rips a warning sign off of a door on the Hoth Rebel base, and a Snowtrooper opens the door moments later and is dragged inside by the trapped Wampa. Just this one deleted scene of Jerjerrod and Vader adds another layer to this already mythic saga and shows that not everyone in the Empire is the embodiment of evil like the Emperor.
Why wasn't that C-3PO scene included? That's pure gold!
A director's cut of Empire and Jedi are impossible as both director's are deceased
And George already did his director's cut of A New Hope
Three times LOL
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As an OT-only guy, it's always been clear to me that the high-ranking officers of the Empire regarded Darth Vader as a kind of *_esoteric thug_* who for some reason or another got in high favor of the Emperor -- without actually being part of the proper Imperial hierarchy. So they would look at Vader with a mix of bewilderment, suspicion, and partly even disdain... quickly switching into terror, if they weren't careful.
Naw instead we get re-releases of the same movies every 5 years with slapped together CGI shit thrown in like it was Lucas’ vision the whole time. It’s like everyone involved in the Star Wars MOVIES are brain dead sometimes
@@TechnoEstate so a real life parallel would be the Imperial military officer corps being the equivalent of the regular German military (Wermacht)and Vader being the equivalent of some high ranking Nazi SS Einsatzgruppen (Death Squad) Officer LOL
Wait-does this make sense? I feel like the later scene was deleted because it is confusing, at best.
They need the shield provided by the shield generator on the moon. The reason it’s bad if the Rebels take the generator station is that they can blow it up, thus depriving the Death Star II of its shield and leaving it vulnerable.
So once the Rebels have control of the shield generator, the Emperor’s solution is to destroy the entire moon, therefore guaranteeing that the Death Star II is without a shield and eliminating any possibility of retaking the generator station and turning the shield back on‽
Even for a “plays both sides” puppet master, making it impossible to restore the shields for the station he’s currently in sounds like a Pyrrhic strategy.
Or it forces the Rebel ships to scatter when the moon is blown up and the explosion likely takes out several rebel ships in the process.
@@curtyeomans8446 The exploding moon is far more likely to take out the deathstar.
One of the best aspects of the early trilogies was the very evident chain of command to which everyone in the Empire - including Vader - was bound.
The second scene where Jerjerrod orders "Commence firing" would've been great if it came right before the Executor crashed into the station. That would've really rammed home how close the Rebels came to losing.
This definitely would have given jerjerrod more character depth and show how even imperials were disturbed with the emperors methods
Cool vid! This character changes so much just with the addition of the deleted scenes!
This adds so much context to Vader’s submissiveness not to mention depth to the imperial lore and an interesting subplot. I always found it odd how Luke drags Vader out to the docking area at the end and none of the imperials are like “holy shit the #2 boss is half dead over here.” If there’s some degree of condescension in addition to the fear, that might better explain the whole attitude toward him.
I like how Jerjerrod had apprehension about his orders. I think they dropped that scene though because it was a little too similar to circumstances at the end of A New Hope. I definitely think the choke scene should have been included, not cliché, Vader’s signature move!
I think a force choke is cliche but building a second Death Star is original seems very odd.
And I liked the scene with Jejerrod as you see him hesitate on his order to fire. If it was just rebels probably no hesitation. But his own men? That is far even for them. It shows imperial military are not faceless goons. But people with all the good and bad that carries.
Yeah, I think calling the Force grip (to use what it was called in video games where you could actually do it to people) cliche and saying Vader shouldn't do it is like saying Ric Flair shouldn't do the figure four leg lock because it's cliche. He might've done it a few times before, but that's exactly why fans want to see it!
Jeremy Frost, exactly. My favourite Vader video game memory though is the opening level of The Force Unleashed the one you play as Vader to open the narrative, I force pushed a stormtrooper off a cliff because he got in my way. I felt I did Vader proud.
I think the force grip scene was deleted because the story Lucas wanted to tell was the redemption of Anakin. If Vader snaps the dude's head off it kinda kills the idea of him being redeemable.
I thought Dark Helmet's twist on the force choke was considerably more affective than Vader's ;-)
I love the conflict Michael Pennington shows when jerjerodd is ordering to fire on Endor. He has this determination and loyalty, or fear I guess, for both sides of the empire
It's always nice to see deleted scenes that add depth to characters that are usually overlooked
As cool as some of these scenes are, there is a reason they are cut out. The scene with Moff might seem very interesting, but remember what happened with Episode 1? You had an ending with 4 different stories all fighting for your emotional attention. 3 is about the max number you can get away with. Which is what is in the final cut.
I feel these scenes should have been kept in. It adds so much depth and complexity to the morality of the saga. It makes it less black and white, it's more than a simple good Vs evil. With them kept in we can still see the Empire has to be stopped, but it's a matter of differing ideals, not blind hatred for the cartoonishly evil bad guys. Would have elevated the writing. I guess it may have been too complex for a younger audience though so I guess I see why they kept them out.
Yeah kinda my only negative opinion of star wars on a whole. To simple of a morality. Kinda why I always had a soft spot for empire stories.
Have to agree, These removed scenes would have made many characters have more depth and make the movies more thought provoking. Also would have made ROTJ much more entertaining, but push a more mature standing on the movie-goers. Also would have liked the original version of the ewoks to show them as a more natural predator (more velociraptor monster than teddy bears).
It's the one big gripe I have about Star Wars: it's overly simplified good vs evil. It kills suspension of disbelief, because of how unrealistically two-sided the whole thing is. There is no such thing as inherently evil and good people, and I couldn't bear watching something that made so little sense.
Honestly if it's ever repackaged the OT should include all the deleted scenes so that the younger audiences can enjoy the more simpler version and we the adult audience can enjoy the more advanced version of the OT if that makes sense
Agreed - I think there is an Episode of the Clone Wars that actually showed ordinary people who wanted to live under the Empire because it offered them stability. It makes it more interesting.
He's definitely one of the more sympathetic Imperial officers. I also always liked Admiral Piett - he did what he was told without a lot of attitude, and was polite and respectful to Vader.
Wasn't Piett the one who in the old expanded universe lore managed to cobble together part of the empire back together and actually ran it pretty well, joining forces with the New Republic when the Yuzan Vong attacked?
@@magmat0585 If you say so! 😅
@@magmat0585 Admiral Piett died onscreen when an A-wing crashed into his bridge. You're probably thinking of Pellaeon.
@@amelsh7412 yep, that's the one
You failed to mention the bigger reveal which was kind of left in. Palps orders Vader to the command ship to await "further orders". Palps knows that the Rebel fleet is on its way, and he has forseen Vaders death in the up coming battle. That is why after Vader senses Luke landing on Endor he returns to Palps this is where the deleted scene is. Palps is shocked and pissed that Vader is back which we see.
The novelization includes the Emperor's order but I believe Jerjerrod's deeper development and personal conflict was removed (it's been 20 years but I vaguely recall him being confident in his command). The rivalry with Vader was also not present to my recollection
Side note: also in the novelization: Ben Kenobi explaining to Luke how watching Vader claw his way out of the lava pit affirmed to him that Vader had truly fallen to the dark side.
0:43 What I find interesting is how the guards respond to force powers being used before you even really notice he's being choked.
The greatest threat to the life of the senior Sith Lord is his apprentice. The Imperial Guards are likely trained to counter Vader specifically.
lore wise they know vader and palpatine are sith. They're the deadliest guards in the galaxy but they stand little chance against Vader
He elevated his hand, that catches any bodyguard's attention
Maybe the guards are Force-sensitive.
@@williamfoy599 they’re not. If they were suspected of being force sensitive they would’ve been put in a different branch
These deleted always seem nice to watch with the old movies. It actually does bring more tension if the deleted scenes were kept. I think it would add more for side characters to have more screen time and show that the main characters could possibly not survive.
Those scenes are pretty cool. I’ve always been a fan the Emperor’s Royal Guards wanted to see them in action and a fight with Vader would of been pretty awesome
I love the depth the deleted scenes give to the Empire
I really like this vid.
Had never seen or heard of these deleted scenes (and the bunker interior fight).
I really wish they’d stayed in the final cut.
Vader competing with or being subordinate to a regular human, at the Emperor’s command, really works to emphasise that no matter how powerful Vader is, there is a bigger power than he.
Plus, Jerjerrod gets actual development and doesn’t come across as such a wet blanket.
Kudos to Jerjerrod’s actor: I can really feel his torment over giving the firing order when he knows many of his men will also be vapourised.
The problem with the logic of JJ being a rival, makes no sense he wasn't high ranking enough. Compare this to the likes of all the admirals in ANH, along with tarkin. They actually were rivals in many senses to Vader.
@@THX113820 agreed, on the rank disparity with JJ.
I think it was best shown off in an EU book (I want to say, Death Star?) where Sidious tells Vader he is seconding him as punishment and that Vader _must_ obey Tarkin.
THATS CRAZY!!! Definitely adds much more tension to the scene and shows how conflicted the character was in carrying out his orders. Great work!
So many of the deleted scenes would have been cool to be in the movie and a lot of them gives us more of the story if you will. I would love to see a version that has those scenes in included.
I love seeing these deleted scenes. In many cases they add depth to the story.
its always nice to see a bit more of the empire how they act within without darth vader or palpatine being right next to them
I commented earlier on how I felt the battle of Endor would have been improved if the Ewoks had been replaced with the battle with the stormtroopers in the station. Maybe fooling the commander with a mind trick to get into the emperor's chambers would've gotten around the Force choke (I wish I could do both of these). And adding the attempted blowing up Endor scene would've made this an entirely different movie. It might have ended up being better than Empire! But we will never know, unless George decides to release this version of it.
Yeah I think that it could be very cool if it was edited in nicely with the rest of the final battle
The scene is perfectly edited as it is. Don't give Lucas any ideas.
its a matter of Pacing. The Ewok battle ends before the Rebel Fleet starts it attack. Luke takes care of his confrontation with Vader right as the Rebels begin their attack inside the Death Star. The destruction of the Death Star take center stage as the final act. with one last cut showing Luke escaping. too much clutter ruins movies. One thing would be to make all the good deleted scenes "cannon" so while not shown in the movie they are things that happened in the Starwars trilogy universe- the Moff really was ordered to fire on the moon and really did question his orders- Luke's interaction with his friends at Toshe Station really did go down like that- his final meeting with Bigs before they joined the Rebels was like that
@@MrChickennugget360 I think there would be a way to cut the footage in a way that allows the battle in the bunker to take place. It would be pretty truncated, but it could exist.
The mind trick only works on the weak-minded. To have the commander succumb to it would have diminished him to the level of a paper pusher who was promoted to a position he wasn't suited to fill.
I've seen the bunker video on your channel - the only one that showcases these deleted scenes. I don't understand why it is that they don't release these to the public for everyone to see in one reel. But I am glad that you have. Thank you so much for sharing these with us. It's nice to see what we've been missing all this time.
It would have been nice to see high ranking people in the Empire being hesitant to carry out the more ruthless orders from the Emperor.
I like the scenes involving Jarjarrod and his orders to fire the death star laser on Endor. It definitely would have added more tension and urgency to the overall sequence of the rebel fighters attacking the infrastructure of the base. But I can understand why it was removed from the film, as it would have taken away from the climax of the forest moon battle and more importantly the showdown between Vader and Luke.
Cool. I kinda wish they had kept those scenes showing the Death Star preparing to fire on Endor.
Yeah I agree
@@StarWarsAnalyst Watching your videos, I realize that Return of the Jedi could've been an even better movie than it turned out to be.
@@jeffbenton6183 It could have done with Marsha Lucas as editor. She basically saved A New Hope.
@@horseradishpower9947 Wasn't she still on for that one?
Jerjerrod went from being a wannabe Tarkin to just the desperate looking guy who says he needs more men.
I love those inside moments to the empire. Gives it some humanity
🤯 I love how you can see the conflict on the Moff’a face! I know he was a villain, but I honestly feel sorry for the guy. Can you imagine he was on the Rebel’s side? Would he have been a competent general, or a soldier trying to climb his way to the top? My gut says that he would have eventually joined the Empire.
Honestly I always felt like he wasn't a complete villain more so
Like kinda like an anti hero
@@barcabocalda2583 that's not...How the term Anti hero works
@@barcabocalda2583 an antagonist you sympathize with is still an antagonist.
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The antihero is a protagonist just like the hero and heroine are. The difference that sets the antihero apart is that he/she lacks the conventional traits of a traditional hero/heroine. The antihero tends to lack traits like morality and nobility and are often a darker and more controversial character.”
@@arcy4100 still he wasn't completely evil
Least he had some care for his troops
@@FormerGovernmentHuman some what like Red Hood
I like the idea of Vader having a rival it shows that as a sith master Sidious was more concerned with capability rather than just the force
When Darth goes immediately into the chokehold, you know you've done messed up
I have always liked Darth Vader even when Star Wars First came out. Back in the early 80's I was Darth Vader for Halloween one year the only thing is I didn't have a Light Saber but I had a light up sword but it was ok to me then. But Star Wars has Always been My Favorite.
Delighted that, 40 years on, I am still learning new things about this beloved story!
I miss Darth Vader. I love seeing deleted scenes I didn't kno about; thanks man keep up the good work!
I can't believe I've never seen these scenes before. Very cool. I still think it's likely that removing it was for the best. It might have added some additional tension, but it would have divided the focus for the movie, and negatively affected pacing. Sometimes keeping things simple is best.
EDIT: fixed a typo.
He must have told all his friends what a big role he had in Jedi and then it came out, most of his scenes were cut, and they were like, “You had one line, biatch.”
And then he responds "that's still one more line than you had biatch"
More Imperial scenes would have been really interesting to see when the Imps are not getting killed.
Those scenes had a lot of tension without any cartoony action, and make the Imperials seem very human. It's criminal that they were cut
That would have been great tension knowing it's not just the fleet being in danger, but also the heroes on the moon. Brilliant scene cut. Adding much needed Gray to the black and white, Good versus Evil comparison between the empire and the rebels. Such Gray is making the new Andor series the best Star Wars entertainment
I liked this from the novelization. It was the Emperor's way of putting Luke in a no-win situation, where he could spare the lives below if he gave up the fight on Death Star II.
Having Vader take on some of the Royal Guards would have been awesome. They looked menacing just a shame they didn't do more with them
I’ve always hoped for stories that were from an Imperial POV and where they were not in the role as villains, peacekeeping missions or something like that.
I would love to pitch a star wars movie with an imperial mutiny on a star destroyer post- ROTJ. One-side ahrd-core Imperial Remnant types and the other side trying too stop the cruel destructive actions after the fall the Emperor.
Well, it is called a "sanctuary moon," so we've got that. My take was that it was set up for the Ewoks to maintain their culture, asking only space for the shield generator in return. That would explain why the Emperor would want it destroyed in these scenes--vengeance against those annoying ingrates who turned against the Empire,
The thrawn novels are like that kinda
The two scenes of the Emperor telling Jerjerrod to blow up the moon and then attempting to do so when the shield generator falls explains part of a plot hole that never made sense. I could never figure out why the Death Star stopped taking out Rebel capital ships. There were hundreds of Star Destroyers and only a handful of Rebel ships. Some of it was explained with the charge time of the super laser, but the idea they didn't get firing cause they were preparing to blow up the moon makes so much more sense.
the dudes in red just standing their nervously
There were a few deleted scenes from Return that would have answered some questions and also change the dynamic of the movie. And that line when he says "the rebel fleet is moving to the unfinished portion" clears up why there was a ship sized gap to the main reactor.
It seems like, since they were actually orbiting Endor (or Sancuary Moon, or whatever its called) they would be too close to blow it up. (Unlike in A New Hope, where they were a good distance away from Alderaan and Yavin IV.) Maybe it was just going to be a less powerful blast, like the one in Rogue One.
I dont think Palpatine planned on the Death Star surviving but rather destroying the rebels and the fleet and leaving with Luke.
@@devinthierault Well, he was *on* the Death Star, when it was supposed to fire. Plus the space station was supposed to keep the galaxy in line after the Rebellion was crushed. It was definitely meant to survive.
I agree it seems kind of self-defeating to blow up something that big when you're right next to it
These are cool scenes. It's nice to see not all members of the empire were just drones who obeyed without question
Very interesting! I wonder if Lucas cut the scenes because it would have been too reminiscent of the final countdown in ANH with the Death Star seconds from blowing up Yavin IV? It’s essentially exactly the plot device and ROTJ already suffers slightly from reusing elements from ANH (Tattooine again, Death Star again)
I have seen these deleted scenes before and wish the story line was left in the final cut. The scenes would have provided a more edginess to the overall battle and all these years later would have tied in perfectly with the emperor's contingency plan of Operation Cinder
I always thought that Jerjerrod was the best Imperial commander (shown on film). His character deserved more attention, and his death over Endor was ridiculous.
General Veers gets my vote. He proved to be an excellent commander and tactician on Hoth in The Empire Strikes Back.
I'm Team Piette.
@@MrUmakemelaff +1 for Firmus Piett.
@@classicgalactica5879 Good points, but the Imperial Navy was the Empire's primary force projector.
We can't build starships ourselves, but we could defeat any Imperial ground forces depicted so far with our current technology. Even primitive physical traps could disable AT-AT's, and Chicken Walkers.
@@andrewstrongman305 True, but with the possible exception of Admiral
Piett, General Veers seemed to be one of the few truly competent Imperial commanders shown in the original trilogy. Veers and Piett seemed to be the only two which actually had Vader's respect.
I always like seeing non main characters in movies and TV shows like this! It’s cool to see the people who actually have to carry out the orders of evil people and see their hardship.
Wow, never had seen the last deleted scene. But definitely would add more tension to the final moments to the battle of Endor
I'm actually glad they left out the part with Moff Jerjerrod stopping Vader. It would have taken away from the overall feeling the movie gave of Vader and Palpatine and also would have made Vader's turning on Palpatine less of a surprise.
Yes. I'm pretty comfortable with all the deleted scenes being deleted. There was reason for it in every case.
Vader definitely felt a lot more passive in rotj. There wasn't any scene of him killing or attacking anyone apart from Luke (in which he essentially held back). Really you could feel the conflict and tension within him. As cool as that scene was, I understand why they left it out
I wish we would have seen more of the Imperial officers throughout the movies.
From the novelization and other material we know Jerjerrod is not a nice guy by any stretch, but I do like the material in the deleted scenes that show he's committed to his men to a degree we've not seen in previous Imperial commanders. It gives him a nice extra layer.
Always wanted to see the guards in action, awesome content 👏
In the original novelization (pre-Disney), he does have the station turned on the Endor Moon, but I don't recall the countdown to the firing solution being there, since he was too caught up in his internal monologue.
That’s not cannon, and therefore never happened. Disney owns Star Wars now, get over it alt right troll.
@@Arbbal are you ok?
@@sheev2829 Of course I am. Unlike some people that can only crap over people's hard work, I am able to watch and enjoy something that I have loved since childhood.
@@Arbbal Said novelization also has Obi-Wan refer to Owen Lars as *his* brother, and claim that Vader never knew his wife was pregnant. I'm not sure George Lucas considers it canon, either.
Darth Vader’s going to do whatever he wants anyway 😂
I can't believe I had never seen these scenes before. Thank you for sharing these with us.
Love the videos, thanks for showing more of the story.
I love deleted scenes like this.
I would love to see a version with more jerjerrod
I do enjoy watching deleted scenes because of the additional story telling and details they often include. The Moff was certainly a much more in depth character than he was seen as in the movie.
I love deleted scenes like these because they give such great insight into what the development of the movie was like. Thanks for sharing this!
I like how you find these deleted scene. they are not on disney + and you give a nice BTS on the lore . thank you.
Thank you for the support I’m glad you enjoyed 😎
There are legends about strange devices called blu-ray and DVD. The legends say they used to bring deleted scenes.
@@tikvision “perhaps the archives are incomplete”
@@daveellis3048 "it depends on how big your money pocket is"
Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga, all deleted scenes are included in the bonus features. Anyone claiming to be a real Star Wars fan owns a copy.
With the close proximity of the Death Star to Endor, a now un-shielded Death Star would have been far too vulnerable to bits of Endor post-blast.
That's a good point. Also the shockwave of the planet explosion most likely would have caused serious damage or maybe even destroy the death star. Maybe that's why they deleted it?
Palpatine was blinded by his own arrogance and overconfidence. He only cared about crushing the rebellion and ending the Jedi once and for all.
@@DRYeisleysCreations Palpatine: "Your faith in your friends is yours!"
Sorry, couldn't help it lol
@@DRYeisleysCreations well for him it was a win lose situation or lose lose situation, shoot the moon and kill everyone including the rebels and yourself, or dont shoot the moon and only you die
“Vader’s force choke had become too cliche” in a movie where they reuse the whole premise of a super weapon known as the Death Star lol 😂
The idea that a Jedi Mind trick would work on an Emperor's Royal Guard, some of the most elite and well trained and lethal units in the Empire...This alone makes me glad they deleted it.
I can only imaging the nervous crowds in the cinemas, chewing their fingernails and waiting with baited breath, wondering whether the rebels would survive.
The scene was probably also too political to use as it reminds me of a real life close escape we also had with a certain unsung hero (Stanislav Petrov)
Would you press the button what causes a nuclear war? Maybe this one is not totally the same...but it's frightening similar.
That’s actually really cool. I didn’t know that and I think it would have really drive home how far Anakin/Vader really was down the chain of command. It’s covered in the graphic novels, but not the movies.
I can't believe they had all these extra scenes and didn't put them in the Special Editions with finished effects. That would've been amazing
Awesome deleted scenes and definitely changes the dynamics.
Makes sense and adds urgency to the battle beyond just "it's a trap!" And the fleet being destroyed.