Judgment of Charles Manson | Court TV Original
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- When Charles Manson and members of his “family” were given the death penalty for the Helter Skelter murders, people thought their reign of terror was over. But then California overturned the death penalty, making parole an option and allowing Manson to once again take center stage.
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Seriously, this crap is older than I am.
@@theoryofpersonality1420
What does that have to do with anything?
@@thebugalito not knowing is a you problem.
@@theoryofpersonality1420 No my problem was asking a nit wit why they would take the time to leave a comment that contributes nothing at all to the post.
@@thebugalito projection much. You really shouldn't talk about yourself like that.
Love hearing of all the people who were "supposed" to have been there. Never gets old. Had I not been born in '72 maybe I was supposed to have been there!
Right!!! I watched videos of where Rick James was supposed to have been there
I listened to an interview with Debra Tate and apparently all of those claims are untrue. Nobody was invited that night and Sharon etc. didn't even eat dinner at El Coyote. Those are all myths. In reality, there was an intense heat wave in the city and Sharon was uncomfortably pregnant. She just wanted a quiet night as she prepared for her baby's arrival. The only one who could have come over in theory was Debra, who called and asked if she could sleep over, but Sharon declined. I can't stand the way people lie about this. It's so shameless.
Bruce Lee was supposed to be there, he was friends with Sharon and Jay. He would have whooped the killers’ asses and take the gun and would have beat Tex senseless with it. Enter the dragon bitches!!!
Yes, someone once stated....if everyone that was supposed to be there that night had turned up, there would have been no room for a murder !
@@manuelazevedo7266 🤣😂😆🤪
She did not shed one tear as she faked her supposed remorse. She should stay where she is all of her days.
Her name is Patty Krenwinkle, and you're right. The few tears she DOES shed are for herself..she's fed up being in there, Gosh Darn it!!
Absolutely 💯
Yup No Mercy for Patty K ‼️‼️‼️
Watch "my life after Manson" with Patricia Krenwinkel.. She is remorseful, but like she says "she can't change what she did at 19... But she has changed who she is today.. She is" fully institutionalized".. The worst thing they can do IS release her.. An old lady with her past crime with a handful of years left
@@donnaedelen1199b.s!!!!!!!!!!
All of them was absolute pure evil to commit such horrific crimes
Brainwash bud evil people are evil from day one you should find out the truth why this house’Tates” was targeted it was were all the big names in Hollywood would go, fbi were behind it .
Notice how everything she says is how their deaths didn’t relate to her. Not even one word exists about how she feels about the 2 murders. 😢
Charlie was the only evil one. Sorry.
@@carmenbrown3437 are you serious people who go out and butcher innocent people are evil
@@carmenbrown3437Charlie is not evil at all. He is just classic borderline criminal who committed theft and was involved with gangs and etc and in the end got involved with people with psychopathic tendencies and addicted to LSD(which wasn’t uncommon in the 60s at all)
I was 8 and living in Los Angeles when the murders happened and though my parents tried to hide the news from me being so young I still remember it. My sister lived in west LA and was seven months pregnant at the time, and my dad, being a firefighter had to work days at a time, not coming home at night. Yeah, it was a little scary
You made your account 9 months ago, Lie again
@icybae1030 what's wrong with you?
@@icybae1030 Not to mention the name (sebring) and the Straight Satans logo as their picture. :P
All this women acting like they are the poor victims, give me a break! We all have problems, but we don't go and brutally kill innocent people and then laugh and be proud about it! I don't care if they regret it, off course they do! they are locked up. They have to paid for what they did, and if any of them have a minimum of decency they will accept they sentence, and stop trying to get parole and making the families suffer all over again. EVIL.
Well said and I agree that they need to stop trying to get paroled. Stop beating a dead horse.
Crocodile tears
Do lifers "try to get parole" or are parole hearings automatic, i.e. it has nothing to do with the convict ? I confess I don't know enough about the law in general, or California law in particular to say. I suspect that parole hearings happen anyway. It has nothing to do with what the convict "wants". Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I transcribed one of his parole hearings many years ago. Spooky!
These murderers lived happily with the horrendous things they did for nearly 4 months before they were arrested how they slept at night I will never understand same goes for Manson
That easy to answer , they were drug crazed cowards , no empathy, no compassion, no humanity 😔🇬🇧
A lot of drugs
They took a LOT of marijuana, LSD and benzedrine, fed to them by Manson. Maybe they were happy. Maybe not. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know whether they were in their minds or out of them.
I don’t get why they didn’t get ‘life without parole’ when the death sentence was commuted?
Exactly!
They died in prison. Good enough. Only one got out and she has cancer or she's dead already.
They were on death row but California abolished death policy. Surely they will never be released? 🇬🇧
@@lynnenewell2016 Leslie got out and Clem (who was involved in the Shay murder) got out.
@@caseystrange Dear God!
What do these people REALLY think they are going to do in society if they were to be released? Honestly.
Start a family?
Collect welfare, sign up for subsidized housing, live homeless, apply for a student loan,,,,,,,,,,
Guess we're about to find out with the release of VanHouton
True! Good luck 🍀
Yea, Van Houten was just released. Although, she in her senior years, I thought of that also. 🤔
I always find it interesting to listen to people talk about the prison experience without ever going to prison and they always are the ones with the microphone, always.
Prison in Belgium is not horrible we get even a ps4 (not every day) qnd there's more good (pure dope) in prison than on the streets.
But I avoided 36 months again by being on probation for max time (5 years) and payed 28.000 euro.
@@Kvs-vf9nt thanks for sharing!
@@clifforddriver9434 Yeah gladly done, but sorry I meant they really want money here than put you in prison. It's disgusting.
No one that at one time had received the death penalty should ever be walking the streets.
I read the book Helter Skelter & had nightmares for weeks afterward. It was dreadful & I can’t imagine how terrified the victims must have been 🇬🇧
@jeanmyers1787 Manson should've taken that $50 dollar bill that Melcher gave him and bought himself a decent bath, I read a story many years ago online that Melcher told Dennis Wilson that he couldn't stand next to him, he said, how do you stand by him, because of his smell, those people rarely bathed, unless they happened to jump in a creek somewhere, and the women were dirty down there because all the family kept having to be treated for gonorrhea.🤐
Bugliosi's true crime fiction.
@@snickerinmuttley1204DAMN 😂😂
That was a brilliant book. I got it out of the library originally and couldn't put it down. It took years because it was out of print but I finally found a copy in a second hand book sale.
@@cafsixtieslover Read Tom O'Neill's book, CHAOS.
Read Ivor Davis' book, Manson Exposed.
Sharon Tate, A Life by Ed Sanders.
Restless Souls by Brie Tate and Alisa Stratman.
These 4 books blow Helter Skelter away....Far Away.
I was born in 1970. In high school my sister took psychology and the class had to watch helter shelter. So that's when I starting reading books about it. So strange and just awful.
I'm 10 years older than you.
@@guitarttimmansoooooooooooo ?
@@sarahrean7174 so? I'm white. lol
@@guitarttimmani don't look good in hats
@@zubetp I looked great with a hat on. It made me look younger. In the 90's, As long as I was wearing my hat, they loved me. It was my wig. LMAO🤣
RIP Sharon Tate ❤🪦
N baby boy 👼🙏💜
And all the other victims.
Yes, someone DID get a more unfair "dealing" than Leslie Van Houten. Her name was Rosemary LaBianca and she was stabbed numerous times in the buttocks by Leslie Van Houten. And Leslie Van Houten told the police, "The more I stabbed, the more fun it was."
All Manson wanted was to be famous. He got his wish
Charlie was short ! For a cult leader !
Yeah, short on brain cells as well!
But he could whoop some ass though.
@@MongoLloyd-px7jt LOL That's why he spent most of his time following conviction in the Medical Unit at Vacaville and the Special Needs Unit at Corcoran. He wasn't liked by other inmates, especially in GP. The guy was 5 foot 2 inches and 100lbs, he didn't intimidate and didn't whoop ass in prison. Maybe he whooped the girls in his cult when he was free, bout it.
@@C77-C77 He was actually 5'6 3/4
@@MongoLloyd-px7jt nope. He had his women do the ass whooping for him.
Unbelievable cruelty.
I love how we have this new crop of people interested in this case who now deny that there was anything with the whole "Helter Skelter" plot even though it was misspelled in a victim's blood on a refrigerator.
Totally. "Helter Skelter" was the codename for the race war that Manson absolutely wanted to ignite through the commission of these heinous crimes.
It makes me think someone was told "oh btw write Helter skelter on the wall in blood" but they weren't familiar enough with the phrase to even spell it correctly. It glows
@@aaronartale That's a weak argument. Really? The Manson followers weren't exactly the brightest, boo. Maybe you're in the same camp?
Not to mention the Perps support this theory and Diane Lake states so in her book. And yes, Paul Watkins too. Then you hear it was concocted by Bugliosi ????
They are idiots.
Howard True lived nextdoor to Leno and Rosemary, they called the cops on Manson and Family.
27:59 this is the first photo I have ever seen of Rosemary aside from the one in Helter Skelter (which is a shame; our society seems to like to remember the murderers more than the innocent victims).
She looks a lot like Laci Peterson, or vice-versa.
Pasqualino Antonio LaBianca
From Pasqualino came the nickname "Lino".
His parents later changed it to "Leno", because people kept mispronouncing it as LI-no, as opposed LE-no. Like with Spanish, Li in Italian is pronounced Le.
____________
Below, from Wikipedia...
"Pasqualino Antonio LaBianca was born in Los Angeles, California to Italian immigrant parents. He was called Leno by his family. His father, Antonio, owned two grocery businesses: Gateway Ranch Markets and State Wholesale Grocery Company. ..."
On August 9, 1969, around 1 p.m., the LaBiancas arrived in Los Angeles.
After dropping off Suzan at her Los Feliz apartment, they stopped at a newsstand on the corner of Hillhurst and Franklin streets.
Leno, a regular customer, was recognized by the newsstand owner, John Fokianos, who readied a copy of the Los Angeles Herald Examiner, Sunday edition, and a racing form.
Fokianos and Leno briefly discussed the Tate murders, which had occurred the previous night. ..."
Talk of the recent murders disturbed Rosemary.
Fokianos was the last person, aside from the killers, to see the LaBiancas alive.
After arriving home, Rosemary retired to her bedroom, while Leno fell asleep in the living room while reading the sports page.[1] ..."
Wikipedia / Leno and Rosemary LaBianca
Stupid people make the best dangerous people.
and that continues
What does that say for our educated doctors? Babies are murdered every day. Children are mutilated for sex change s. That’s what so called smart people do today.
Helter skelter is the name for the slide in the United Kingdom.
That’s where McCartney got the name, it was near his house as a kid i think. He wanted to compete with The Who they came out with the song “I can See For Miles” and one reporter called the song the “heaviest rocker he ever heard” and McCartney being the competitive songwriter he is wanted to top that.
Patricia krenwinkel doesn't have one tear in her eye and she's pretending to sob
U cant be a danger to society when ur locked up, once out people will do it again maybe even worst.
Once a Monster always a Monster. These people need to be behind bars forever.
I don't know why they had already gave him the legal injection
California temporarily suspended the death penalty shortly after their convictions. All death sentences were commuted to indeterminate sentences of life with parole.
As should every doctor who perform abortions and performs sex changes on children
Crazy
Not really. They were so young and brain washed.
Krenwinkle turned a beginning sense of regret and remorse and turned it around to where she’s the victim saying oiknow you wish I was dead but I can’t take my own life.
I say if Charlie Manson was still alive and well and he was released from jail, he would have so many big mass followers who would absolutely love him and protect him. I think that's one of the big main reasons why he was never released from jail? He could have become something huge??? A lot of people would disagree with me but I bet that there's a lot of people who would totally agree with me? CHEERS 🥂😅🇦🇺❤
I agree
He’s a lunatic and talks in riddles with intensity ,which is highly alluring and intriguing ,to a lot of naive , damaged and easily influenced people.
please, do not release Patricia Krenwinkell, she killed with no mercy the angel Abigail Folger, just for nothing, no purpose, that was something demoniac
Exactly
How can you say somebody has gotten an unfair deal when they participated in stabbing to death multiple people?
I went to school with Steven Parent when this happened. El Monte High School.
Really, very sad what happened to him
I can't believe how this was one of the worse crimes in American history and not only did the killers escape death themselves from the death penalty they all get to see the parole board when there's other ppl that have done less and don't even get to see the parole board/death penalty, makes no sense.
And what about Emmett Till and the Bundy crimes. To me they were atrocious.
Life w/o parole. How Clem got out is beyond me. Same for Van Houton.
Exactly
Clem has been out for quite a while now
He might have been prophetic about the state of California… look at it now.
Leave it to California to overturn the death penalty shame on them..
It was a supreme court decision for the whole country that shot down capital punishment, not just California ya dumb lump .
Poor Leslie 😅 is that old bird joking? What more can she do? HOW BOUT ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY which means do your time and stop tormenting the VICTIMS families by trying to be free amongst them.
Then the dude saying noones had a rougher deal than poor Leslie? Ummmm HER VICTIM DID. This a circus of opinions on this show and those two are very unfunny clowns 🤡🤡 🎪
Punishment vs rehabilitation. It's about punishment. She's lucky she beat DP.
The only thing they regret is getting caught and locked up!!!!
Dennis Wilson more than paid Charlie Manson for that one song Believe me
Drug deal gone wrong turned into the biggest cult criminal horror story ever told.
It was not a drug deal gone wrong. Multiple people, including Tex Watson himself have said that.
I'll never understand why Katie decided to spell Helter Skelter incorrectly? Like that was such a weird decision at that particular moment.
uneducated
Kind of a weird decision to kill innocent people in their own home at that particular moment too. I just don’t get it.
@@leeflea2874😮
No matter what reason they were just that should not have took place how awful and horrible horrendous they were
These murderers were given the death penalty and would have been executed. But the California Supreme Court overturned the death penalty. At that time, these people should have been resentenced to life without the possibility of parole. That way none of these recurring (and expensive) hearings would have been avoided. That was the mistake in this wretched case.
It wasn’t SCOTUS that done away with the death penalty it was California. And it has been overturned again although they haven’t used it in 17 years and they are trying again to dismantle it.
Quick question since I don't feel like looking it up n won't ever will, but what does SCOTUS stand for again? I know it's " something something - Of The U.S "
@@pedrocook1861 Supreme Court of the United States.
More like SCOC
It was the State of California's Supreme court, not the United States Supreme Court. Other states in US still hold executions. Texas used to have an express lane, but I dont know why Tex Watson, who has been married twice and has a bunch of kids, is still enjoying his prison stay.
Compared to what goes today , Charlie's a Sunday school teacher.
Killwinkle looks like she's crying but there are no tears. Fake.
He he he he😄😄😄
Just do this gig Ash. This is more you strength !
There is truth in some things Charles Manson says, not the hurtful things, the system and what did and goes wrong with the system, why put him away for so long at 10 ?!!? Really ??? 😢
"No matter what I do, I can't change one minute of my life..." etc. All about her, not a word about the victims she so brutally murdered. Let this most malignant of narcissists spend every day of the rest of her life behind bars. This is why we have prisons, folks, and why people like Katie Krenwinkel are put there.
@@selfcare4667 Is that so? Well I'll bet not nearly as upset as the people she brutally murdered. Manson told them all to do something to shock the world. That's exactly what they did, and now they must pay the price.
@@selfcare4667 She has, and should continue to. The old adage is still true: "If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime." Especially a crime as notorious as this one.
Yah oh I stabbed her!! No emotion whatsoever. It's about her rights. What about the rights of the victims they had aright to live.
No way do these evil bastards deserve to be let out
I didn't realize that Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was actually about the Manson family the first time I watched it.
I didn't see that one. I loved his work in
"Kill Bill"
that doesn't make you seem too bright.
@@johnmason1648that doesn’t make you too likable
Really?? Your kidding right, how the hell can you not realise that? Dumb dumb
I was pregnant with my second child who was born the following February 1970. I lived in terror for a while wondering how it would be to be murdered and my child cut out of my body.
I was born January 1970. I remember being five and six years old and this was still in the news. We had the 45 record of the Beatles Helter Skelter and I remember being afraid of that song because I had seen a glimpse of blood written on a wall or something and that song attached. Even at five and six years old I knew something evil was attached to that song even tho I didn't know exactly what. And now age 53 here I am watching this. This stuff has happened so many times since then but because of the cult factor and Charlie's personality I think that's why this has kept going. My mother was pregnant thinking the same things you were.😢
Well the difference between you and the people who got murdered is that you were not a drug dealer who would rip off people constantly.
During the trial it was widespread that these crimes were random acts of vieolence by a lunatic cult leader and his followere, Manson was by no mean any sort of a good decent person, neither anyone around him on that ranch, but this whole case was about drug deal gone wrong.
Vincent Bugliosi used to blackmail, and threaten anyone who challenged his Helter Skelter theory, and it is onyl recently after his passing that the real truth is coming out.
Once again, Charles Manson was a life long criminal, and someone that not a single sane person would like to be around, but the reality of this case goes way beyond official story of him being a cult leader who can control his followers by some magical powers.
@patmeton43 why would you torture yourself like that? Couldn’t you relocate to a third world country where they would take care of you?
“Nobody had it worse than Lesley” yea just just the victim she stabbed!
She’s free now
@@michaeldaniel73where she at?
@@ameliabedelia7018 I don’t know, but not in prison
Its not a matter of remorse. If I could change some of the situations I get in simply because I was sorry, I'd have a lot of free time now.
Its a matter of accountability. She created the situation she's in and knew the consequences. She's lucky to be alive.
Leslie Van Houten keeps saying she accepts responsibility. If that was true, why even attend parole hearings?
Amen
At least the little dude who didn't kill anybody went to those parole hearings just to let them have a piece of his mind. Zero attempt to try to whine and cry hoping they let him go.
@@Eventual-Visitor Yep. But I dont think he really wanted out. Where would he go? What would he do? Someone would put a bounty on his head. He was safer in prison spounging off our tax dollars. Hell, I've heard he had cable TV in his cell.
@@Eventual-Visitorthe little dude did kill someone.They just didn’t have enough proof to convict him of it.
He may not have sone the Tate or La Bianca murders but he did kill.
He was institutionalized. He never really lived any other way for very long. He never wanted out of prison.
I WAS A YOUNG LADY WHEN THIS HAPPENED. IT WAS SCARY, CONFUSING, AWFUL, BUT MOSTLY....I AM GLAD HE IS NO LONGER WITH THE WORLD.
You do know he didn’t actually kill anyone? People are responsible for their own actions. Being crazy used to mean something, now everybody is crazy.
@@XposinDundee your right.
@@XposinDundee he ordered them to kill.
@@JupiterRising2525 Ordered? Now he’s an army general.
God bless you and everyone.
Love the absolutes...no one get a worse deal than Leslie did...really? What about the women she murdered?
She’s only in there this long because she’s associated with Manson. She would’ve been out years ago otherwise.
Ahe did NOT murder anyone
@@kountry_bumpkin8455 She is in there for murder...you know...killing someone? In fact two someones. She was sentenced to death, as were the others and Manson. The supreme court stopped executions so the sentence was commuted. She stayed in because she murdered two people. I can't believe people are so on the side of the people who together killed 7 innocent people including Sharon Tates baby in her womb.
@@rachellerosale7910 You mean Charles Manson? Yes, through a conspiracy to murder, they all were sentenced to execution by the Supreme Court of America intervened when they stopped all executions. He was in charge of those drug-addled people.
@@GRMLS5 she stabbed Rosemary Labianca after she was dead according to autopsy reports. She didn’t touch Leno. She wasn’t at the Tate house. Murders are set free everyday depending on the crime. She should’ve been free a long time ago, but no governor will because of who she is associated with.
I was a little kid when this happened. It was terrifying
I can’t imagine how scary it must’ve been for your little self. I know my sister had a horrible time sleeping in her room for probably years after hearing a story on the news about a man climbing into a child’s bedroom window and kidnapping them. That’s nothing compared to hearing stuff like this on the news.
🏆 🏆 🏆
Know why this happened because liberal whites were collecting money for the black panthers people known in Hollywood the FBI couldn’t do much with the black panthers so they thought they would stop Hollywood from giving money to the blacks and the biggest stars went to Tates house you heard the names of the people who were meant to be there but missed it it’s believed Manson was working for the government and it was Manson who was picked to do this he had the girls brainwashed one guy said Manson kept getting arrested but let go so who was getting him out every time. MK ultra were picked because of Manson Hollywood stars needed a fright and got it. Manson feels annoyed because they tricked him but the truth is out but there’s even more to it .
Me to and she linda lived 10 minutes away from us in nh.
She turned herself in in concord nh. Its about 30 minutes north of us.
Manson was nothing compared to Jeffrey Dahmer
The release of people that are in their seventies and have been in jail since their teens may be additional punishment...
Leslie Van Houten will die in prison just like the others. Because as Linda Deutsch said no Governor of California wants to be known. As the one who set a member of the Manson Family free.
I KNOW what you mean!! You think they'd survive?? I guess they've still got families..if you have a family, these days, you're pretty lucky..its tough if you don't. That is a very interesting notion..how would life be for them if they did get out?
@@robertafierro5592 All of a sudden you got to cook for yourself while it always used to be done for ya. And so there are a lot of things you're never used to. At a certain age big changes are hard to coop with. Also you start to realize what you've missed and is gone forever. The freedom you get is very limited. Maybe things like watching the sunset, in your own terms, are the most valuable thing to gain.
I always think of " Red " in Shawshank. Being on the outside even going to the restroom he will ask for permission.
Back in the 70's we didn't have cell phones. Money being taken from debit cards or apps.
It would be difficult to adjust.
"Blabbermouth". LOL!!!
It's about punishment. Nit rehabilitation.
Todays crime makes this look like an average day.
This was heinous, anything but an average day
No it doesn't you f×ckin idiot. Go look up the crime scene, Google is free.
I was 6 years old in 1969, and I have vague memories of the news on TV about the murders and the trial. I lived in Southern California at the time, about 20 miles outside downtown LA. I remember that things were somehow 'different' after the murders. Even as a small child I had the feeling that we were no longer safe. Combined with the news coverage of Vietnam, it was a very unsettling time.
It's interesting to watch this video now, after Leslie Van Houten has been granted parole. My opinion is that she should not have been released. She is as guilty as the others. She stabbed Rosemary La Bianca multiple times. It doesn't matter that she did it because "Tex told her to"; it's no different than what Susan did to Sharon Tate and Wojciech Frykowski. Leslie smiled, giggled ,and sang right alongside Susan and Patricia.
I think Leslie garnered an element of sympathy and was granted parole because she was pretty. In our beauty-obsessed culture, pretty=innocent; or at least the illusion of innocence. Patricia didn't meet society's standard of beauty, and I don't recall hearing people say they felt that she's done her time for her crimes.
Susan might have gotten parole eventually had she not passed away. I think part of the reason she didn't gain the same level of sympathy as Leslie is because of her boasting and her publicly flippant attitude. I think Leslie was the same way, but she hid it better than Susan did. You can see the same kind of attitude in other Manson followers, such as Sandra Goode and Squeaky Fromme.
Anyway, very interesting video. Thumbs up.
Do you think the fact that sharon tate was young and pretty not to mention rich and famous is also a contributing factor as to why there is so much outrage about the murders ? Rich and beautiful gets tortured and murdered by smelly scruffy dropouts. Do you really think if the same level of obscene horrible violence had been used against a poor family from a housing project would in incite the same level of moral outrage ? Dont get me wrong , I am opposed to violence in any form and on any level used against any human being other than in defence of oneself but this is all bollocks. Not one person other than Vincent bugliosi the chief prosecutor and author of the book titled " helter skelter " has ever publicly described what the helter skelter theory was. A lot of people made a lot of money on the back of these crimes and nobody more than bugliosi himself.
Tex stabbed Sharon Tate. He even went on to admit to it. He really has no reason to lie about it either as it would only really hurt his parole chances further. Susan supposedly just restrained Sharon before Tex slashed her face and started stabbing her in the chest, back and arms.
@@paulflah4562 for several months nobody knew who Sharon's killer was. There was no idea that the killers were "scruffy dropouts" until several months later.
Btw, Charles "Tex" Watson wasn't a highschool dropout. On the contrary, he was a promising student and athlete during his high school days. He did drop out of college but that's hardly anything compared to a kid who can't finish highschool.
Also, Leslie was a very popular and smart student at her school as well. I believe she graduated with honors and I know she was the homecoming queen her senior year, too.
"Healter skelter" lol this would be a 5 star documentary if it wasn't for that mistake
Imagine that trial was today . the "Actual Killers' saying this wee man,s rambling made us do it. Crazy times
I still am wondering if they did those horrible crime's because they wanted to, not because Charlie told them to, because they wanted drugs and money.
You brutally murdered someone. You don’t deserve freedom. Even in prison you have at least some life. You took that away from others in the most painful way imaginable. It doesnt matter that you know better now. Your victims are still murdered and dead. You might be able to save your soul, but as it regards your life on Earth, you belong in a cage. And there’s an end to it. Period. That’s all. It really is not that complex.
What I don't understand is that all the Manson followers were convicted of murder.
They got death sentences. Death penalty gets abolished.
They get life sentences.
Now, they're eligible for parole and get it?
How can someone who was originally sentenced to death, eventually get paroled?
I don't care if you're 100 years old now. You still brutally murdered someone.
Does your old age make you less of a criminal?
If that's the case, why not release the elder population who were originally convicted and sentenced to death but have life sentences now?
Where's the compassion for all those other prisoners, that was shown to her?
The Biancas paid the ultimate price of being in their home, minding their own buisness and get murdered, while this scumbag gets a pass because she's old and doesn't pose a threat to society anymore?
Her crime was so horrific that she could've been executed if the death wasn't abolished.
Now shes gets her freedom?
Makes no sense at all, none whatsoever.
Leslie Van Houtan just got paroled. She stabbed Ms La Bianca several times in the back on the request of Tex and held others down while they were being stabbed; yet that reporter couldn't figure out why she wasn't paroled yet. In 1996 she was found suitable for parole. Very strange. That's what happens when your family has money Strange none of the other Charles Manson followers were ever found suitable for parole (the correct decision for sure.
My god she has no emotions pretending to cry , she doesn’t care what she did . No way should she ever be realised .. I know right from wrong no one could get me to stab or hurt anyone . She is a heartless killer …
There is always the "testimony of Charles" sending his people to go out there and do 'something witchy". Now is that absolutely true or is that just more here say?
I always wonder if Susan Atkins never confessed to the hooker while she was in jail, if they would've ever been caught.
I think Linda Kasabian’s testimony would have buried them . I still believe Atkins is the one that killed Sharon Tate .
🙈🙊🙉🙏 I Have Been Sharing That The Heartbreaking Stabbings 💔 In Idaho Reminds Me Of This Case, and With That Pet Dog Being Skinned Alive Couple Months Before, Seems Like Satan Worship, Prayers For Everyone Affected By Those Horrific Stabbings. Prayers for Justice, In The Mighty Name of Jesus We Pray 🙏. AMEN
AMEN
People blame the actions of those who commit murders & other appalling acts. On the Devil because they are incapable of accepting. The reality that it's humans who commit these crimes all by themselves.
& *NOT* with the help or at the direction. Or under the influence of some mythical monster or otherworldly evil being(s).
Humans are *MORE* than capable of these deeds. & blaming them on the 'Oh the Devil made me/them do it'. Diminishes the role(s) played by those who committed. The crimes & is a gross insult to the victims & their families.
@@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980 Just Came To My Mind That It Was The Devil Who Tempted Eve, In The Beginning. Thanks For Sharing, I Appreciate.
@@gloriamills1366 don't forget if you believe this, he was God's favourite and most beautiful angel, before he pissed God off!
Sharon Tate's stage of pregnancy alone is dizzying.
No such thing as remorse for any of them!!!!!!!
Someone did get out recently as Newsome didn't sign a repeal to keep them in as she is now 70.....still that was horrendous!!!!! She is a killer.
I'm fascinated with the legalities. For instance, if the girls were high during trial and speaking with the world, couldn't they have all gotten retrials (not that I'm trying to get them out)?
They offered no defense. Their own attorneys argued against them testifying because they were prepared to incriminate themselves. Van Houten was granted a retrials in 1977/78 because of inadequate counsel.
Leslie Van Houten will die in prison just like the others. Because as Linda Deutsch said no Governor of California wants to be known. As the one who set a member of the Manson Family free.
@@christopherbutche5047 She may have gotten a retrial but the results were still the same - Guilty. Leslie Van Houten will die in prison just like the others. Because as Linda Deutsch said no Governor of California wants to be known. As the one who set a member of the Manson Family free.
@@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980 I hate injustice and although, obviously, blazingly, there NEVER is for the victim and family, there's injustice in the Prison release system, as well.
There HAVE BEEN more disgusting, vile forms of mrdr beyond Leslie and they DO constantly PreAmble the Parole meeting by saying, " We are not going to retry the case and you need only talk about what you've done since". BUT THEY USE THAT AGAINST THEM EVERY SINGLE HEARING.
Believe me, I get the moral argument. But they DO, OVERTLY IGNORE LAW.
I also Completely agree with victim and family rights, but the States show up all the time. Do the family's of child ac Mrs, cold hearted Gang initiation victims families?
You know what I'm saying?
I don't feel sorry for her she needs to stay in prison for the rest of her life she murdered Sharon Tate and she was only eight months pregnant that had no compassion or sympathy for her so why should we have sympathy and compassion for her so why does she still alive that's her fault. as long as she's breathing air she needs to stay in prison...
My cynical side wonders if these crimes are only so high profile if a movie star had not been involved.
I don't want any of them next door to me.
83 years at the time of Charlies death. Poo Poo.. I think they cremated this guy. Im glad they never let him out. More terror would follow and probably worst. 😊
Leslie Van Houten - “I felt I should surrender myself” - what did she surrender of herself?? She killed innocent people who according to her from another recording she stated, “I can’t be sorry, they are just bodies”
She talks so monotone and calmly about murdering people - like the calm, polite voice she has is going to make committing murder ok. Talk about a master manipulator - she’s just as bad as Manson if not worse
Helter Skelter is going on right now 100 x over and it will be HELLTER SKELTER , just like Charlie said,, haha😂😂😂😂
Tex & Sexy Sadie were the villains.
I think Manson was abused as a young man in prison and once he got out he finally felt like he was in charge.He developed a get even plan in his mind, simply put he was a frightened man who manipulated others to do his dirty work .
He had a hard time in prison as a young man because no one could stand the sight of him he never shut up and was regarded as a nothing but a mouthy nuisance . He was also caught raping a young boy in the boys home with a razor blade at his throat
@@Tess-163 you are correct Tess, well said
He was an articulate manipulator and clever bullshit artist. I believe that his oftentimes perceived psycho babble was just a rouse and that he was always in control of his faculties and knew exactly what he was doing. He felt like he got short-changed in life decided to exact revenge. Having a horrid childhood at the hands of an unfit mother certainly did not help but still not a justification to kill
Leslie Van Outen has never shown any real remorse for the killings
And yet she has been paroled. The people who let her out are just as big of scum as her.
It’s disgusting how many people have made a career off this tragedy!
It's disgusting how the media lies about people and people like you believe it.
Yikes.
I think I've heard about this guy.
Charles was ahead of his time with his ATWWA campaign and he was not stupid ar all He was very bright about so many things
Nope.
A.T.W.A...... OR....... A.T.W.A.R.
He was a narc, a manipulating paedophile...... He beat the sh%t out of the young girls ....not a nice guy !
He was bright but also a total psychopath.
So was Hitler. You can be brilliantly evil.
Steve McQueen would have saved them all.
too busy banging his bit of young crumpet.
Let the public hear Tex Watson's tapes!!!
“No one has had an Unfair deal as Leslie “?! Are you kidding me ?!!? Yes… ALL OF THE VICTIMS ALL HAD A VERY UNFAIR DEAL !!!!
Crazy to know that they let Leslie Van Houton free here recently this year. 2023
She should have stayed in for life
Unfair
Now since Charles Manson is dead, he's answering to God for the crimes he commited.
Charles Tex Watson
Human gatrbage
This old journalist broad is making me sick saying let Van Houton out. If she was the family member of a victim I'm sure she would not feel that way. It's no skin off her neck so let her out? Not. All of them are a threat to society. Did this journalist also think they should let Charlie out too? Have Manson live with the journalist broad and THEN let Van Houton out. Eeek. I know he's dead now but you get my point.
If a man walks into your house and kills your family are you going to give him any sort of pity, praise, honor? And if you find out who orchestrated the murder would you call him clever? Entertaining? I sure wouldn't.
I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle of every persons lies
I remember being someone against the same stuff these people believed back in the 90’s spent a good 3 years on acid, ecstasy, speed alcohol etc was a wild time. The guys we hung out with broke into places to steal more alcohol got into a lot of fist fights, saw a lot of bikie beatings and sometimes I actually did fear for my life.
I was pretty paranoid for a while after leaving that lifestyle but never did I once want to kill anyone.we just wanted to party non stop.
I don’t understand how these people reached this level but I suspect there’s a lot that they aren’t telling us. Something was aiding these people from the unseen.
Alot of dollars and "public programming"
Manson was a CIA asset in late 50s - 60's, Mk ultra Mind control was probably it pulling the strings