Fallout TV Show Review - Too Much Bethesda
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damn, look at this production value
That was sublime
Was great for the most part.
Too bad the rest of it didn't measure up.
Is high quality editing like this what Richard means when he talks about "Griff-ting"?
Todd Howard is the face of the operation and the one everyone knows. The real evil behind all Bethesda's horrific writing is Emil Pagliarulo, the lead writer. That man has a deep hatred of good writing and has Done presentations and endless tweets on why writing in games doesn't really matter that much and how good stories aren't as important as simplistic writing the masses can easily digest. He's the reason Bethesda's writing is so underwhelming, and he's proud of the fact it's underwhelming.
Emil is also the #1 design document hater
@@anda3487 Just to let you know, this is misinformation spread by youtubers and redditors who have no idea what they're talking about. The idea that there's a central "game design document" for titles with the scope and complexity of modern RPGs is an antiquated belief, these don't really exist anymore. Studios keep robust internal documentation using an internal wiki system like Confluence but it's not commonplace to still use 1 document as a single source of truth. The closest thing you'd get is a several page concept document which only is really relevant early on in a project. Pagliarulo is not a good writer or game designer in my opinion and I don't like Bethesda Fallout or Starfield but it's just simply not true that he loathes documentation, or planning, people unfamiliar with the game design process have cobbled this theory together from postmortems of 20-30 year old games or current small indie games referencing their "design document" and 1 or 2 clips from interviews of Pagliarulo saying that that's not exactly how things work anymore.
Not really a hater, but he's incompetent in his position as a lead writer. He's a good level designer, but he approaches writing from level designer's perspective. Bethesda needs another main writer and lead designers.
the house stuff was the straw that broke the camel's back for me
Even sadder, since his voice actor passed away. Really liked him as Odo in deep space 9.
I guess House forgot to check his calendar since he's now suppose to know when the bombs would drop.
@@shofer1703maybe I missed something but when in the show does it tell you he knew the date?
@@benhawk4214Doesnt matter.
He knew then that Vault-Tec were going to nuke the country.
If he's anything like his game counterpart, he would have blown the whistle on the whole operation or at the very least had the platinum chip much earlier than he got it in the games since he was only off by about 20 hours with no heads up.
They turned ghouls into a practical impossibility in the wasteland because they wanted a "what if they turn to zombies and thats why people hate them" instead of them being disliked for being creepy and hideously ugly. Now they need drugs at regular intervals. In a wasteland? Bruh. Shortsighted writing for short term benefit without regard for lore or worldbuilding. Peak bethesda.
Oswald the Outrageous from Nuka World says that (he believes) the feral ghouls has an illness that he is sure can be cured, although temporary - this could be this cure?
Just a little bit "out there" speculation of course, but bringing new aspects into the lore is nothing new.
@@Adrian-fo4kv Bringing new aspect of medicine production as a necessity for ghouls to survive is pretty big shift. And not a good one. Where did the drugs come from, who started making them, when did they start making them, who realised ghouls needed them? So many questions with absolutely no answers and I am not expecting any, because I don't believe they have every spent a second thinking about it.
Also, Oswald the outrageous is a delusional guy in denial about his missing wife. There never was a cure.
They were also zombies who become feral and people always hated them for being such ticking timebombs. Still agree about this new medicine, there is no way this thing can be mass produced for all ghouls in the wastelands.
@@Adrian-fo4kv he is delusional however. feral ghouls are this way because their brain rot (not just nose, skin or something else). this not a cure is a macguffin to prevent ferals, cooper goes few hours without and already collapses
@@user-kd4gb4vj2k they were never zombies, just people with radiation sickness that instead of dying they degrade in a painful way and then become basically immune to radiation. We don't know if all ghouls turn feral at some point, there is no indication since many lived centuries and are ok. Osvald was delusional, there is no coming back.
I am unsure if this is very known, but the main man behind Fallout, Tim Cain actually left the company while they were making Fallout 2. This is why there are big differences between Fallout and Fallout 2, especially in terms of humor and stuff like that. Basically he didn't like the "in your face" type of humor and pop culture references, and thats why there are so few in Fallout, and the few that are there are in random encounters. Tim Cain also has a youtube channel where he has videos that go more in depth on why he left, Fallout being a B-tier project and so on, I'd really recommend checking it out!
Forgot to add that he also has a video on the "true purpose" of the Vaults were when Fallout was being made, great video!
He has also sucked on the Bethesda teets and has no problem with how Bethesda has mishandled Fallout. He's full onboard with everything Bethesda is doing. So he can go Eff himself.
The show inspired me to finally get off my ass and check out Fallout 1 and 2.
Did the Fallout 1 in 2 mod along with Fallout 2 restoration project.
I'm with you man, I enjoyed fallout 1 way more. The vibe is just so good. Fallout 2 has way more stuff to do but fallout 1 just feels like it had a more coherent vision.
My reading of the house scene was it was showing Vault Tec's willingness to drop the bombs but that someone else did before them hence why the kid was with coop and house didn't have enough time. They can potentially wriggle out of the problems with house in season 2 if they say he was gathering intel so he was able to prepare or something.
Yeah, the lore is that China dropped them first, likely because they found out that the US had plans to do it themselves.
So from the show, it's entirely plausible that they could have used the breached comms from the pip-boy to learn that information themselves. Mr House thought that he knew when the bomb would drop because of his meetings with Vault-Tec, but with China tapping into that information stream they knew to drop earlier, which leads to his comments in NV about him being off in his prediction by "20 hours".
It felt pretty obvious that's what they were going for, but I guess people just took Vault-tec at face value in that scene and assumed what they said they would do is actually what happened.
Thats what i figured from it too. House is smart so it would be in his best interest to just play along to gather whatever information he could. As for VT dropping the nukes, it definitely seems like a bait and switch. Sure in the show they are willing to do it but it doesnt mean they did. House getting vaught off guard and Coopers kid not being in the vault still make it seem like China/Enclave did it
@@GamingYoshi64But then why do we see them exploding on the ground instead of in the air like ICBM warheads or bombs dropped from planes?
This all but confirms that it was either Vault-Tec or the Enclave who set those ones off.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Who's to say really but I just don't see VT being the ones to do it. Enclave for sure cause the series can't come up with a more creative or different villain (or just say China panicked since they were getting invaded and hit the button). Many vaults being unfinished, House being unprepared, and Cooper and Barbaras kid being not in a vault just makes it pretty obvious that it wasn't VT tho. I guess they could go with the lane answer and say Hank or some other lackey did it tho idk
@@GamingYoshi64 Same. I don't see it as them doing it either. But then why portray it like that if the director wanted us to think that?
Michael Rapaport really just do be Michael Rapaport in everything he's in.
i really appreciated the Goggins praise. i don't think the man gets enough credit for just how well he can really dig into a grimy role, and i agree with being hopeful that he gets more diverse roles in the future.
Goggins is just naturally good at playing cowboy and 1950s style characters based on his acting history
I played Fallout 4 more than any other Fallout game (the others were a bit before my time). It is the exactly the same as Starfield: relatively fun, but no substance. That doesn't work when turned into TV.
Fallout 4 can be a fun sandbox. More than that is hard to get out from it without mods.
@@TheBloopers30 Even with mods its hard to get anything out of it other than just fucking around looting shooting building and upgrading your character from time to time so it becomes a jack of all trades sooner or later. I really like f4 for its fundamental mechanics, its great to build something with it thanks to mods but the characters, writing, lack of attention to detail, all the dirt and skeletons everywhere(even found a cabin without a toilet that didnt have a hole in it where the toilet was supposed to be, how fucking lazy are you bethesda?) is just off putting that i can only play it without thinking too much about anything, "it just works" is the only mentality i can go in with into f4 to have fun.
The start of this show is so utterly nonsensical, if you think about it two times. The raiders never should have gotten into that vault. First I thought, after it happened, okay the overseer surely got something to do with raiders, but naah, he should have been even more suspicious. Turns out, they just randomly walzed into the other vault and answered when the vault send out the marriage propsal. How did they not know they are dead for two years?
Then I rembered, it is American slop - it is not like they care
Do you mean the fact they do not recognize any of the people they are supposed to meet 3 times/year, every year or the fact that instead of opening Lucy's vault with Lucy's mom pipboy and demand to deliver the overseer up the elevator alone or keep the vault exposed to radiation if they do not comply would have prevented a massacre and waste of ammunition? But how could they play the oldie in slow motion and show how much moldaver cares and loves Lucy if they did not stick a knife in her wedding dress?
@@marcofogli4317or the father not recognizing the women that stole your wife and was a big protestor of your company before the bombs dropped? And the other vault was destroyed 2 years prior, you are running an esperiment on them and you still don't know that they are all dead??
Let's not forget who cleaned the after the massacre? The old lady and the roomba?
Just replayed fallout 2 and new Vegas, what great games
Nice. Do we know when the next PGL event is? Looking forward to the desk
Shout out to you for calling out the lore breaks, the more you think about the show the more problems you see.
Nuking the NCR seemed like the last fuck you to Obsidian's writers lol
The right out deleted the entirety of Fallout history to make a wasteland western (they straight up said so). It's not only a middle finger to fans, but to the entire audience intelligence. Just shot of dopamine after shot of dopamine with game reference and good props, stuff happening fast and macguffing to drag the plot, here have a game reference to keep dopamine high, we can't allow you to think about what is going on or you realize is stupid. In one word: Brainwashing. A very lazy one too.
Hey, fallout NV is one of my favorite games. Trying to find your playthrough you mentioned, is it uploaded somewhere?
Thanks, great video
goggins stole the show for sure, was on the edge of my seat for his scenes, loved the shots the past especially
The theory behind Vault tec dropping the nukes is that it was in the works but someone (supposedly the chinese) beat them to it. Ties into why Cooper and his kid were at the party and why House tells you he thought he had more time to prepare (he was following vault tec's schedule)
Amazing video as always Richard! Didn't know you had all this passion for fallout.
Wow really love this. Would love some more Show Review type stuff.
Goggins also has a role in a Seal team show where he's the team leader. Did a really good job in that as well.
What I think would also be good writing in Fallout 4 is if Mama Murphy were a synth-an Institute synth faking her own visions to manipulate you into doing what the Institute wants. I think it's good that they didn't overplay it tho.
I don't get how players play the main NCR questline, and are directly ordered to brutally murder every other faction, and the player has to disobey direct orders to NOT murder them all. And people on reddit still think NCR are the objective good guy faction.
The fact people still have debates about the best outcome for NV, confirms how good the writing is. I have played every ending and I still can't decide if I prefer House or NCR endings. You can ask your companions for their opinions on it too. 🤔
@@FoxyFoxlynHouse's Vegas will fall. Yes man/bennys plans are disaster. The NCR will tax their citizens to death. The legion will tax with blood and war. None of the endings are the "good" ending.
Because objectively, your two main options are an old world larpfest or a misogynist, slaving, pillaging band of upstart raiders cosplaying as roman legionaries with football gear and are closeted homosexuals.
I'm sorry, but of the two. The ncr are objectively the good faction, no two ways about it.
@@mikeity2009 The lesser of three evils is not at all automatically a good
@@mikeity2009 I don't disagree about house, but NCR are as much of an old world larpfest as House's libertarian ideal, if not moreso since NCR are straight up modeling everything after the propagandized idealized old world.
The whole point of the NCR is they aren't simply incompetant. Their system is broken and built on the backs of idealists who cover up/ignore the atrocities/corruption of the NCR.
Vault 4 felt like a filler episode.
I think it had a point, but if the point was vault tec does experiments, I dont think you need a full episode in an 8 episode series express that.
love the editing!
Blows my mind how well received and praised this show was. Felt like marvel slop TV with Fallout props
Ayo love the editing on this. Adds a ton to the stream bits
Also can I just say how insane it is that you can review an entire show live. Idk how you do it
Loved the video. Im not planning to watch this show at all, but this video autoplayed and your commentary on the games was really enjoyable. House ftw!
Holy shit the TNG shirt is baller as fuck
The quality
I'm playing The Two Wastelands using the Begin Again mod list. I like how it ties the two games together.
Damn I only ever followed Richard for esports coverage had no idea he covered games as well. A damn good reviewer at that.
For the longest time I was fine with Bethesda having the East Coast and better writers having the West. No more. When Bethesda crashes and has to sell off the Fallout franchise, I hope every Bethesda Fallout game gets written out of the canon. Fuck 'em.
23:30 I guess the only way this is plausible is if they didn't end up being the one to pull the trigger, setting up a redemption arc for goggin's wife - calling the s2 twist now
Everything I say comes from a mega fan of Fallout whi has put in over 3,000 hours into all the games over 26 years and I can say that there are two shows in this series at one time.
Show one is all the visual aesthetics that make the show visually Fallout. Its all the fan service, the imagery that do many people praise for the show. And it works.
Show 2 is everything else beneath this fan service surface. Its the plot. The acting. The characterization. The story. The illogical implausibility of the actual story being given to us, and in this regard this show is fundamentally flawed on such an epic scale of bad that it makes Rebel Moon actually plausible.
The story of this show is the most incomprehensible piece of crap in the history of TV.
We have this villain lady who needs Hank for his super secret code. She's apparently the leader of whats left of the NCR. So ehy in the hell would she use raiders to infiltrate Vault 33 to pretend this marriage charade to let Lucy get essentially eff'd and then let these raiders slaughter the entire Vault and risking Hank and Lucy getting killed by random possibility when she could have just opened Vault 33, use her resources as NCR leader to try and convince the Valt Dweller's to come to the surface and make them part if a new NCR??
Thats only one of many WTFs of stupid storytelling writing.
Maximus is the worst character in television. The ultimate fail forward, can't do anything well and kucks his way into promotions when the real Brotherhood of Steel would have killed him quick in the first episode.
The lore retcons are many and all done by Bethesda because of their jealousy of how great Fallout Classic is and this show is the epitome of just how bad Bethesda can't write.
This show is fantastically BAD on new levels of low.
found the new vegas guy
Guess it's time to see if I can get 1 & 2 running on linux and play while "working"
7:30 not necessarily the case, there’s been instances where they’ve thrown homeless people into vaults. Pretty much anyone could get into a vault it wasn’t just exclusive to those who were rich. Most vaults were experiment vaults for the plan of space colonization to leave the irradiated moribundity of earth which mostly went horribly wrong, and even the few control vaults that turned out okay like vault 13 and vault 3 got screwed over.
I’m not surprised most wouldn’t know this since fallout 3 iirc retconned this.
A soild review of the criticism of the tv show compared to others i have seen.
Liked and subbed immediately when you said Fallout canon is just 1, 2, NV.
I like 1 more than 2 also.
Man is spittin
The bit with Lucy and the NCR flag plus the music was peak.
you talking about fallout? thatll get my through any shift thank you
never played the games but did enjoy the show. the timelines and such are all a bit confusing but i do like how the story unfolds, how youre being told bits of information at the right time, so i obviously cant share much of the criticism since i never played the games.
Damn I can't wait to watch this twice since I listen to it at work, and now I'll need to watch it
I need Ricardo Castro in the Mojave
Did he do this for the last of us, or one of the patreon question videos? which I thought was pretty good but have heard him just call shit
I won't watch the whole video because I don't want to spoil anything for me, but as someone who never played any Fallout game before (huge Oblivion and Skyrim nerd tho) playing Fallout 4 is extremely fun! Yes, the story is not even remotely close to Elder Scrolls storylines in terms of quality and depth, but what I enjoy the most about this game is exploring, looting, crafting and building settlements. At least for now, I'm still having fun.
maybe you could have a discussion with monty about this show bcs he also did an episode in lfn and it seems that you have a lot of different opinions some of which are completely opposite
i think that would be fun and interesting
Great video rich 👍
23:03 I think in season 2 they're gonna do a cop-out and say that china dropped the bombs before vault-tec got the chance or something like that
no offense but how is it a cop out if China does drop the bombs if that's what the games heavily implied? it makes narrative sense in that situation given that the bombs fell with coops daughter not in a vault def don't think the show was perfect but I also think that the show wasn't made entirely for hardcore fallout fans and there's def issues with it for sure, just don't think that's one of them
To my mind, Goggins is a legend
i am someone who never really played the fallout games - i tried both new vegas and 3, and just did not enjoy the gameplay and the design/visuals at all.
but i really enjoyed the show! it had obvious issues, for me mostly with the main characters and the acting, but the tone and the humour really worked well for me :)
Now, I have not played the games so take what I say with a grain of salt.
I kind of disagree with the point that not every vault has to be an experiement. The idea of keeping people alive in a vault for hundreds of years is in it self a study of a kind. Espescially when the reveal was that different companies had different ideas for making that happen so IMO it kind of makes sense for each of the vaults to have a different purpose.
Great video always a pleasure to watch!
There are control vaults in which they didn't experiment on residents. By the definiom of the word control they are a part of the greater experiment but they didn't mess with them
games had something called Geck, which is basically a handy set of tools for rebuilding civilization. Lots of vaults had them, and those who did would eventually go out to the surface and try to build cities there. Vault City is one of the examples. Another is Shady Sands. So some Vaults were locked for certain reasons, but some were meant to eventually go out and rebuild after all clear signal.
There are canonically vaults that were control vaults where nothing happened to them, also. Also it doesn't make sense from a scientific point of view not to have control groups. Like God damn.
I didn't hate the Titus arc... we just haven't seen enough of it yet. He's ultimately a weak person lacking his own identity but he *wants* to be a hero like the guy who rescued him.
If the writing improves there will be a payoff next season when he makes up his bloody mind - does he want power armour or to stand for something?
I also don't believe Barb Howard would leave her daughter out of a vault. And Cooper wants answers... that whole plot point makes me think something went wrong and the nuke drop wasn't planned by VaultTec themselves in the end. This feels like something they will explore in Season 2.
A lot of questions for Season 2 and how they handle NV... could be a dumpster fire but here's hoping they don't mess it up too badly!
Nobody should take anything Maiq the Liar (AKA Todd Howard) says as fact. Quite the opposite, if Howard says something is cannon it obviously isn't.
PS Howard is a pathetic sulky child who throws his toys out of the pram at a hint of criticism. Look at how he decided to destroy VVardenfel in revenge for the constant stream of players critisizing Duhblivion for being inferior to Morrowind. So should it be a surprise he wanted to destroy Shady Sands as revenge for people preferring F1, F2 and New Vegas to the shite he's produced?
I feel like the show is implying something happened with Howard and his wife after he hears her say they'll drop the bomb. Which leads to Howard being reduced to doing children's bday parties. Coz there was a scene where one of the parents imply Howard fell out of grace.
I was hoping the house ending would be the cannon one for the show cause it would leave the most factions still in play as house mainly sticks to Vegas if he wins atleast in the short term leaving most exterior smaller factions alone. The larger ones like the NCR still would be around If weakened from the loss of the battle for hoover dam, the legion would be crippled and probably splintered into old fashion roman civil wars but exists atleast as sprinter's remnants now Brotherhood would be fucked but that means nothing if they basically just import the Eastern BoS like they did and I agree with the sentiment the show was alright but has Bethesda's grubby finger prints all over it on the wrong side of the continent
Love the T-shirt choice for this review 👍Also some friends judged The Wire from the first episode, fuck'em ^^
It was just such a shame they wasted all of those assets on maybe the crappiest, most low tier, divorced dribble coming from a man that's conceptionally corrupt. It's so blatantly obvious that Todd has had his brain rotted away and smoothed out by other low-tier elitist rich people, i imagine Gabe Newell cringeing whenever he have to remember that "modern fallout" exists and going over yet another boring steam-sales contract or whatever it is that the Valve king is doing nowdays. It speaks volumes anyways, when the real-life actual tech geniuses that do like gaming, won't have NOTHIONG to do with todd. A poetic irony to what he aspired to create; proving the joke he is. But at least he has earned that, first place in being a clown; producing inferior smooth-brain products for his mytically ever-growing audience. The most grotesque myth in modern industry/production.
Too much Bethesda indeed
they couldn't have just put the show in any different area but no they had to completely dunk on sacred fallout lore.
Richard's funny, shredded, says exactly what he thinks, and emanates good energy. Might not be popular with men but I like him.
good video
NCR having the most quest shows that they can't get shit done so it makes sense.
Watched the whole show and dindt even know there were any cameo's, i must be out of touch
Man I never played fallout and I lived the TV show and watching Richard destroy everything makes me now question the 8 hours I spent watching this and if I should just play the games instead.
now this is great. congrats on your continued success. Richard you'll have 500k by the third quarter of 25'
The NCR is the closest you get to a modern nation-state in the Fallout universe. It might not be perfect, but the best democracies we have today weren't amazing in the 1800s either. The NCR has the potential to grow into something great, but they need to make mistakes along the way to get there.
It's not democracy that destroyed the world, but rather the corruption that happens when voters are pacified consumers and those at the top can do whatever they want because the voters either don't understand or don't care.
I have limited knowledge of what New Vegas did with the NCR, but Shady Sands is portrayed positively in Fallout, and the NCR is mostly good, though flawed, in Fallout 2. I think the NCR would benefit from a canon spinoff game in a slightly different genre, where the goal is to tackle corruption and internal flaws that could destroy it from within. This concept wouldn't fit the formula of the main games, but it would be an interesting exploration of the NCR's potential.
How the fuck is there a German in the Enclave? Also the Shady Sands being nuked is such a middle finger to Obsidian writers. Its nuking is symbolic of Bethesda's disregard of their canon.
They retconned even Bethesda games (hard but they pulled it off), I wonder if Todd realized that, Emil for sure doesn't as he lost the documentation. It is a middle finger to Fallout as a whole: now it is wasteland desert with fetish and supermanagers
Excellent shit man.
Wow, the editing 😍
The TV show legit made me reinstall Fallout 4 and reinstall ALL my previous mods
I'm addicted again
The Fallout IP is just so inherently interesting that even Bethesda's garbage take can lure people in. When I played Fallout 3 (my 1st Bethesda game) it was one of the most impressive things I'd ever experienced. I didn't know games could be so immersive. They relied on that "magic" so long and hard while their output degraded with every release.
But there are still new gens of players that will see it, and be impressed like I was. However, while their games are getting worse, more competitors have emerged, and their games are getting better. So hopefully one day the mainstream will finally understand Bethesda is awful.
Starfield seems like the tide turning release but I still see a perplexing amount of people saying "well, Elder Scrolls 6 better not suck, or I might be done with em". But fine if it takes a terrible ES6 in 2030, so be it.
FO NV is my favourite out of the 3D versions. FO 4 was such a disappointment. I am playing NV again, as my bf built a new PC and gave me his old one. Sold my series s and switch to CEX (stopped playing on them), then bought a refurbished GPU and CPU from them. I have a ps5 too. Now I get to play NV with mods. Been enjoying it so much, only played it on 360 before. The companions are great. I love Boone's personal quest, even Arcade's is good. I only ever completed 4 once, and never played it again. Which family member will you need to search for in the next game Todd? Your Uncle or Auntie? 😂
Great review Richard, found myself nodding in agreement for most of it. Vid looks very polished too 👍
Don’t know what it is with writers on shows but every time there is business or government politics it’s like it’s written by children, glad I missed the show this sounds awful. Always just big bad groups where everyone is in on an evil plan with no depth or interesting characters, as if that’s interesting world building
Before this video: I liked this show 😊
After this video: Well now i don't as much 🙃
I'm in this weird state of knowing lore will be thrown to the wind and just going with it and not caring so much anymore. Then i watch videos like this and i remember how much FO:NV made me care and fall in love with this world and lore and then i get mad again.
I liked the show, but as someone who holds the second game as my favorite, I'm partial to some nonsense in my Fallout. I don't really care that much about the lore or world building for this IP. To me Fallout was simply a RPG inspired by Mad Max created in a society where the Cold War was fresh in everyone's minds. I don't think they ever had a good foundation for a believable world as soon as the second game was launched. It was clearly an afterthought, and I just went for the ride.
You're spot on with Maximus though. I can almost see the guidelines for his character being something like "faction dude", because he has nothing else going for him. And it's a shame, the whole thing about being inspired by them and wanting to be a hero is a good starting point. But they never go anywhere from it.
I can see some "Bethesda-isms" holding back the show a little, but I still think it's easily better than anything Bethesda actually made with the franchise. It's like they took their vision for what Fallout should be, but they managed to be at least somewhat convincing. To me it's like: 1 = 2 = NV > Amazon show >> Any Bethesda game. Haven't played the Brotherhood game or Tactics though.
fallout 2 was garbage dude. fallout1 is the only one worth it.
*modern day* bethesda
When exactly does modern day Bethesda become modern day Bethesda? I feel like Oblivion has all the hallmarks of their modern games.
I don't see how anybody is okay with the knight Titus scene?? That was total shit.. they downplayed a BOS Knights combat capabilities and cops out for comedic relief.. totally fucking lame
Rumor is MS has charged another studio (Obsidian? InXile?) of the development of the next Fallout game. Yes, you heard ot right, Bethesda would not be developing it.
Sounds too good to be true.
If its true and they trash this trash show from the canon then I may consider the purchase.
Obsidian now is not the same people that made New Vegas. You guys love to d ride Obsidian really hard considering their only good game was New Vegas.
@@impactEditHD Apart this being not true, and wondering what "you guys"means (my bet is a from of tribalist fanboy insult of sorts but always benefit of the doubt), the point is since Bethesda stopped caring and respecting the IP and went for soulless cash milking, fallout is better off their hands unless they turn around completely, but the lies they push defending the show do indicate that they intend to dig even deeper.
@@marcofogli4317 Better off not in their hands yet you wouldn't even know of the games unless they made them. Funny how that works?
This show straight up erased the entirety of Fallout history and Lore and wrote their own thing (Wasteland desert western with fetish) with a Fallout coat of paint. There is zero respect of the source material here (beside Lucy and some extras others are obviously clueless of what they are reenacting) and this is now the canon (Bethesda do you realize they retconned even your own games?). Good job Amazon you did it again.
I'm sympathetic to the feelings around the ruination of a series - or better put the rape and pillaging - star wars being the most egregious. And yet I find myself grateful that I never played FO1 or FO2, so that I'm able to enjoy the later fallout entries, and the show, on their own merits. Hell, I revisited FO4 recently - thought lowly of it originally - but have actually thoroughly enjoyed it (with the right mods, full dialogue being crucial). Reason being that I didn't expect more from it - I was no longer comparing it to New Vegas or what it "could have been" - I just played it for what it was, like a standalone game.
The trouble for a lot of these franchises is the shoes they have to fill. All things considered, I *enjoyed* the Fallout show, probably for the same reason - I didn't expect anything from it. If anything I thought it was going to be a dumpster fire, so I was pleasantly surprised when I actually enjoyed it. I could see cracks in it, and sloppy writing in places - and it sure did take a hammer to some of the lore - so I don't necessarily disagree with the criticisms leveled against it. But... when has a 20-30 year old franchise ever stayed true to its roots? It's pretty rare - bordering on a miracle - and how could it be otherwise, given that the development passes on to the next generation of people, or that the whole enterprise needs to be funded *and* profitable? Not to mention the horrendous blood, sweat and tears that goes into making any of these things.
So I see no point expecting otherwise, only to be disappointed as a result of said expectation. If we live in times so comfortable that our biggest gripe is that a television show wasn't what he hoped it would be, I think a little perspective is in order.
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I think the Fallout show was mostly good but not great. I have a pretty long list of things I didn't like, but on the whole, I think the biggest thing it revealed is that Bethesda's in-house game writing team is much much less talented than the folks who worked on the show. The TV Series is easily the best thing to happen to Fallout since New Vegas and probably the best thing to ever happen to the franchise under Bethesda. I vastly prefer the Black Isle Fallout Games (lumping New Vegas in there as well) but I think this is the best version of the Bethesda Fallout universe we're getting, the characters (except for Maximus, even though Aaron Moten tried so hard to save the script) feel like real people with believable motivations and actual character arcs which is more than I can say about Bethesda Fallout (the bar is 6 feet under). I want to add that while I also don't like Vault Tec being made to be this cartoonishly evil boogeyman responsible for everything wrong in the Fallout universe with a conspiracy to rule the world, I'm also extremely confident they DID NOT drop the bombs. I think a lot of people are reading this scene incorrectly, and I think Richard almost got at it here. Barb floats it as an idea, which I do not like, but presumably she would know if Vault Tec was in fact doing it, so there's no way she would have allowed her daughter to be out with her father when the bombs fell, so I don't think Vault Tec actually did it. That being said, I just don't get Bethesda's obsession with pre-war America and the endless speculation about the details of the war, none of this interests me and I think Fallout is at its most effective as a story about society in the post-apocalypse and not wacky things in The Wasteland TM being echoes of a dead era, and I think the show gets at that more than any other piece of Bethesda Fallout media, but still not quite enough for my liking. I'd give it like a 6.5 or 7/10, it's got some issues and I wouldn't call it great but on the whole I thought it was good enough and I am much much more ok with this being Fallout than Emil Pagliarulo and Todd Howard's vision of a Fallout game as this feels like it has actual human beings in it. As for a Season 2, I think teasing House in the meeting scene is foreshadowing that we're getting Mr. House as the canon ending when the show gets to New Vegas. The NCR will probably still have a presence on the strip for memberberries, but I don't think we're going to get an NCR controlled strip.
The fallout show takes place after FA4, so anything he’s saying is literally moot as the events of FA1 and FA2 was 200+ years ago in the timeline 🤦♂️
Great review, thoroughly enjoyed it. I do however disagree with the points raised at ~22:50 about the bombs.
The way I interpreted those scenes were that Vault-Tec guaranteed the dropping of the bombs for their investors, by being prepared to drop them themselves. But the fact that Cooper's wife (and child) weren't notified or prepared ahead of the bombs dropping seems to mean that they didn't know (or weren't told).
So it's still ambiguous which party actually started the war, but Vault-Tec were prepared to do it themselves if push came to shove, like was always stated in the (newer) games. So not a change or plothole at all imo, it's still up in the air!
But it is stupid. Tell me what moustache twirling evil investor will go for a plan that guarantee the obliteration of everything they have, all their power, influence, freedom, infrastructure and money worth zero from the moment the bombs drop? It is not difficult to make evil corporation look bad (they lore is already rich on how messed up each of those are) but they manage to fk it up going for the most childish, retarded reason possible (just a hint, the moment everything burns vaults go from being an asset to a liability, you do not sell any but you have to maintain). In the lore Vault tec is part of the military industrial complex and uses the vault and the scare of war to run ruthless human experiment to see how human responds to extreme situations that can happen in a generation spaceship to colonize other planets as a proxy for a government elite. They made it into a mockery because they needed to pass the message communism and China good (they dropped the bombs in the lore because US was invading and developing biological warfare to exterminate them). That's what happens when writers have zero creativity but they think they can do better job than the creators.
why would investors need to guarantee bombs dropping? Like it will make all their money worthless
27:10 New Vegas: Dust the fanmade mod is now canon.
I disagree that the NCR ending is canon, cuz I doubt the NCR would allow New Vegas to be a delapidated desolate place. Most likely the Yes Man ending AKA the anarchy ending is canon.
Overall the show is cringe garbage filled with poor writing, goofiness, and retcons: 4/10
If there’s ever a boomer take this is it
Which part specifically anchors the "take" to someone's age?
12:20 DUDE basically norwegian "damer og herrer" i am f'k'ing dying hahahaha! Norway was a mistake i swear!
I honestly really liked it, i feel it does actually keep with the first games lore. Heck even tim cain approves
So much that retconned cold fusion in geck, retconned the geography, made the master impossible, made big part of the first game impossible, retconned ghouls, retconned bos, retconned NCR, and retconned new vegas and fallout 4 (the first being now literally impossible), but also retconned china and the great war and all the previous lore. Only things it shares with the games is the props and the title card (but they fked up those as well)
@marcofogli4317 so they didn't return bos, remember that chapter comes from east coast, new vegas wasn't retconned, shady sands wasnt destroyed till after game, date given was for ncr decline(which lines up with game)
Great war they didn't really retconn, o don't like vault tek starting it but still can fall in line, cold fusion isn't really a retconn, it is an addition. Information about how gecks work wasn't really present in thr first games(also seems there were multiple types) so saying all it's magic was due to cold fusion isn't unimaginable
@@joshuaweiss1249 No, sorry it does not hold up. Either you were fooled by corporate apologists (my first pick) that are justifying this abomination or you are being intentionally disingenuous. Taking my first pick let me explain: A) this is not the east coast chapter, they are all guys, no women, they are pseudo religious, squires ar eno more kids but adults and higher rank than aspirants or initiates, and they are not proud, loyal and virtuous but a bunch of arrogant, backstabbing bullies (also retarded). B) New vegas is completely obliterated, there is only desert, city ruins, all infrastructure and surrounding gone, is dead. C) First, 77 Fall of Shady sands with a nuke means it was nuke by "supermanager Hank" as confirmed by Moldaver in 77, when he left the vault to get back Lucy and organized the plague of 77 making up the story that Lucy's mom died and returning her back, we see the logs stop right before 77, we know Hank was out in 77 (no longer) and that he was the one who nuked Shady sands. Second, decline makes no sense, is clearly stated fall (they play us as morons by telling this, there is even a connector badly deleted from 77 to the nuke replaced with the arrow as they had a last moment afterthough), but is the date of the FIRST battle of hoover dam (that predates the game) not the one that you play, and every npc and lore in there states that at the time of the game Shady sands is fine and dandy, they are growing so much that they only send a very small force to the Mojave but nobody ever say there the NCR or Shady Sand has any decadence or falling issue, they dealt with the BoS, they beaten the Enclave, there is nobody around that even remotely threaten them, only the growing legion is a potential future danger. No it does not line up with the game, because is what? 81? 84? (I did not play New Vegas but many pointed this out) and is doing great. In the show we see that all territory of NCR is erased from existence from Santa Monica up to Shady sands with zero traces of NCR towns, infrastructure, transports, they are worse off than the pre war ruins as there is literally no trace of civilization, only wasteland. They erased it because they want the dead wasteland western, they've been very upfront about it, then Todd lied (incredible I know) to shut up the critics with 16 times the details and a prime canvas bag. (continues)
@@joshuaweiss1249 No, sorry it does not hold up. Either you were fooled by corpo apologists (my first pick) that are justifying this abomination or you are being intentionally disingenuous. Taking my first pick let me explain: A) this is not the east coast chapter, they are all guys, no women, they are pseudoreligious, squires are no more kids but adults and higher rank than aspirants or initiates, and they are not proud, loyal and virtuous but a bunch of arrogant, backstabbing bullies (also dumb). B) New vegas is completely obliterated, there is only desert, city ruins, all infrastructure and surrounding gone, is dead. C) First, 77 Fall of Shady sands with a nuke means it was nuked by "supermanager Hank" as confirmed by Moldaver in 77, when he left the vault to get back Lucy, organized the plague of 77 making up the story that Lucy's mom died and returned her back. We see the logs stop right before 77, we know Hank was out in 77 (no longer) and that he was the one who nuked Shady sands. Second, decline makes no sense, is clearly stated fall (they play us as dumb by claiming this, there is even a connector badly deleted from 77 to the nuke replaced with the arrow as they had a last moment afterthought), but is the date of the FIRST battle of hoover dam (that predates the game) not the one that you play, and every npc and lore in there states that at the time of the game Shady sands is fine and dandy, they are growing so much that they only send a very small force to the Mojave but nobody ever say there the NCR or Shady Sand has any decadence or falling issue, they dealt with the BoS, they beaten the Enclave, there is nobody around that even remotely threaten them, only the growing legion is a potential future danger. No it does not line up with the game, because is what? 81? 84? (I did not play New Vegas but many pointed this out) and is doing great. In the show we see that all territory of NCR is erased from existence from Santa Monica up to Shady sands with zero traces of NCR towns, infrastructure, transports, they are worse off than the pre war ruins as there is literally no trace of civilization, only wasteland. They erased it because they want the dead wasteland western, they've been very upfront about it, then Todd lied (incredible I know) to shut up the critics with 16 times the details and a prime canvas bag.
I love how in New Vegas a lot of the locations had literally nothing there or nothing going on.
Best fallout ever.
And it's still the better game.
The most succinct way I can describe Bethesda's bastardized theme-park version of Fallout is "Cringe"
Me and my 3 friends thought it was ok but not what a classic fallout fan will enjoy. Seeing everyone one love it and say it was a 9.5 outta 10, made me feel like I was on acid or something. Did they watch the same thing as me?
The CG is also so freaking bad 😂
one word Amazon. They got farm of overenthusiastic "spontaneous manifestation" for each product they shit out. The show is enjoyable if: a) is non canon (they dumped all over the lore and by just slapping random references, they retconned how almost anything work) b) You share the fetishes of the writers and do not mind incest and cousins with minors c) you turn the brain off and fail to notice that there is no consequence or stake, everything progress through macguffin only, and the internal lore contradicts itself every 2 minutes so it have zero consistency.
Not recognizing the Bethesda Fallout games is just so reductive to me. Are you really so mad that an independent studio didn’t continue to make fallout ? I don’t think you even tried to like 3 or 4, you immediately put it down. Black-pilled video games elitists man 🤦♂️ making gaming worse as a whole
Was listening to Tim Cain, one of the original Fallout 1 creator,
he had an interesting hypothesis about Maximus's behavior, he could be a low intelligence character....
I thought it was brilliant.
Much love
Everyone in the show has less than 1 Intelligence for any of their decision to make any sense.
Maxim is the worst character in this show always failing upwards. Reminds me of Finn from Star Wars. Tim Cain approves this show and therefore approves that his orginal lore is being retconned and destroyed. He betrayed his own franchise just like George Lucas. smh
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I think Maximus is underwritten on purpose (which sounds so stupid and kinda is)
Like, he’s a kid essentially. Late teen, at least that’s what is implied. He likes the brotherhood because they saved his life and gave him purpose; but he’s dumb. He doesn’t really care about the technology or any of the goals, really; he wants to help the people who helped him, he wants the cool armor, and he wants the cute girl. He’s the simplest character, he acts off of instinct and kinda falls into good situations. He put all his points in luck.
At least that’s my take, I didn’t think he specifically took me out of the show; I actually liked him the most
Don't care about F1 and F2, I am actually old and I still didn't play them despite having a PC at the time. F3 meant the world to me, NV was extremely small, short and underwhelming. I mean, the strip alone is reason to hate it. 2 different zone cells and 3 or 4 casinos with barely 2 or 3 floors each. Embarrassing. F4 was mediocre, way too cramped with something happening around every corner. Didn't play F76, I have no interest in other players.