LUNA ROSSA LAUNCH: Do beautiful yachts still win races?
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2024
- A design which is obviously of similar philosophy to that of ETNZ and still sharing many loose features with Alinghi's BoatOne which have now because hallmarks of the class, but with smoother line more sympathetic to the eye. But in 2024 are beauty and beautiful compatible?
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Once(Auckland 2000?) we were ‘the silver bullet’…and now, we are ‘the mirror of victory’! 😉✌
I think StarWars want their Naboo fighter back XD. it's gorgeous!
As a designer I think the shapes and lines on ETNZs boat are actually smoother and less „forced“ - it is actually a rather elegant boat shape wise - however their paintjob creates effects, that make it incredibly hard to read the shape properly and don’t support the elegance of the boat.
Similar to NZL 20 from 1992 with the graphics on the hull to conceal the tandem keel setup
lol, it’s literally the only explanation that makes sense of the visual design.
Strongly agree. I think their graphic designer is terrible, but the hull lines are so far the best of the three. it's like Te Rehutai but well harmonized. I like it a lot. France has a good graphics team, so I full y expect it to be the beauty of the pageant. This Luna Rossa is as you say, forced. I don't think I can put it better.
I personally really, really like the minimalistic Luna Rossa chrome graphics. I just think the shapes and lines underlying ETNZs messy graphics are more elegant than the one of LRPP. However compared to the crazy shapes on Alinghis boat I still think LRPP is more on the elegant side. 😂
I suspect the deceptive paint job and graphics is intentional...
luna rossa is absolutely beautiful. so glad they brought back the chrome, hope they have futuristic chrome space-suits to match for the crew!
eheheh :D
them sailing against alinghi in bright sunlight must be a treat for the cameras :D a matte black hole right next to the shiniest thing ever.
@@tflspitfire will certainly be interesting haha!
No question it's a great looking boat. Apart from what looks like a scolloped foredeck, on first glance I do think it probably looks closer to Gen 1 Te Rehutai than it does to Gen 2 Alinghi or ETNZ boats though. Will be interesting to see more footage. A massive flex from ETNZ to launch then go sailing the same day in their new boat, day 2 was 100% flight time. That would have made a few of the teams raise an eyebrow or two.
Your attention to the tiny details on each boat is remarkable.
Luna Rossa, always the best looking boat in the AC
The last Cup's Luna Rossa boat was the most beautiful. It reminded me of KZ7.
ETNZ are brimming with confidence after their land speed record set recently as a part of their AC 75 preparation. They dumped their boat in the water and took it for a spin immediately. The opposition have had a few days to think about this action from ETNZ. The British boat will be interesting taken ETNZ and Ineos set the rules.
RB3 seems radically different to the others
Your pronunciation of Te Rehutai is a lot better, well done😊 and what a stunning looking boat Luna Rossa have produced
Thanks 😊
Oh my God....really....?....how's your English professor...?
@@62cripple terrible 🤣
@Pma16 Don't worry, it's a cultural thing...😏
Agreed, Tom soon to be confirmed an honorary Kiwi.
New videos on your channel are currently the ones I look forward to mosr! I loved your analysis during the last Cup and you are still the go to for all the interesting and significant bits. Thanks for your work! I’ll be in Barcelona supporting the Defender. Maybe see you there!
Can't wait to hear full analysis from the team once all AC 75s are on the water with race foils.
She's a very sleek and beautiful looking boat
Interesting to see the italians backing the more blended form of their last boat, now combined with the dropped deck of the kiwis. After this cycle we may be able to discern what the best combination of design ideas is.
Thanks for your video. I am sure many of us were waiting for your words on Luna Rossa.
Looks like a spaceship. Very beautiful. Hope it’s as fast as it looks. 😊
Always with the best looking boat. I want them to win this one.
Always expecting boat analysis videos with anticipation !
Keep up the nice work!
Glad you like them! More to come...
Grazie per la tua competente reazione e per aver definito Luna Rossa la più bella tra le barche sino ad oggi presentate.
Ti confermo che arms, foil e timone sono quelli della precedente edizione.
Un abbraccio e aspettiamo anche qui in Italia altre tue reazioni sulle barche e sul loro design e comportamenti in acqua. Grazie❤
This has got to be the most anticipated video
Max Sirena said that what's inside Luna Rossa's boat is more interesting that what's been shown in the exterior ("The boat is a box : inside, much can't be seen ; and today we have shown already seen things", translation from italian : "La barca è una scatola: dentro c'è tanto che non si vede. E oggi noi abbiamo fatto vedere quello che si era già visto" )
Been waiting on this one! Well done, Tom.
Hope you enjoyed it!
Refreshing you channel all the time these days! Thanks Mozzy!
Luna Rosa's boat looks 'Sleek' love the paint job.
They deserve the cup just based on looks 🎉
😅 it's been that way for 25 years
Look out Boys...
Been waiting eagerly for this video. Thank you!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Thanks heaps for all your analysis. Great to have such a source of interesting info.
Hey I just checked and it’s about 500km from Sardinia to Barcelona…. So maybe LRPP should just put the bow down and sail to the AC venue 😂 6 hour training session 😉
So happy to enjoy your video again. Many thanks
I wonder if the paint scheme on TeamNZ is supposed to help hide its form. The dots make it look like it has some hollows that aren't really there.
Good vid, thank you!
I am not into boat-design at all and not sailing myself, I am just an interested viewer. I have been following the AC since Alingi entered the scene (I am Swiss, as you guessed right). So I learn from every video about all the things the teams have to consider. One of the greatest challenges seems to me that they spend most of the racing time on foils, so aerodynamics play a huge role, but a race can absolutely be shattered if they are doing bad when coming off the foils. So they can't completely ignore "regular" sailing. That seems to be a huge challenge. But hey, if it was easy, then everyone could do it, right 🤣?!
Was looking forward for this video
Beautiful looking boat
Paint aside Team NZ boat is the sweetest and most fair in my book, declaring I'm a kiwi here . Really enjoy your input and thoughts on design and the Cup in general. This time it will be about the foils and sails , given others can sail as well as the Kiwis. Sail GP shows that's possible. So it will be really exciting. Keep up the good work on your channel.
Agreed and I'm not even a Kiwi. I actually prefer the paint scheme of ETNZ yachts, all three AC75 boats. The new paint iteration is even nicer than the last.
Very nice video... as always
Thank you! Cheers!
Sitting down to watch this over dinner. Can't wait.....
Beautiful
LOVE a silver/grey Luna Rosa
An interesting cup awaits us all . Fantastic review eagerly awaited and the next 3 also. It will be interesting to see what the Americans come uo with , Patriot was a quick boat. (KiwiBTW). So excited to see them in action. Mozzy your pronunciation of te rehutai is really good but.... Theres another one coming 😂😂
I know, and Te Rehutai supposedly wasn't that difficult a pronunciation. I live in fear of what the next one might be, but i'll give it my best shot anyways
@@MozzySails FYI: Te Ako Maori Dictionary has audio pronunciation recordings. Let it be your guide on the next one. :)
Very nice looking, my favourite paint job although I like the extreme hull shape of ETNZ
Chrome beauty!!!!! Forza Luna Rossa! go baby!!!!!!!!
Thanks
beauty indeed
The heading, exactly what I thought.
Waiting for the new AM hull. So anxious to see it, i deeply hope that it has a similarly amazing design as the last one - i still think the old hull had the potential to win besides looking the most amazing, for me the design made the most sense in terms of my humble hydro/aerodynamic guesstimation. :)
The focus will primarily be on foil and sail design/technology, with a lesser emphasis on the latter, which should significantly narrow the margins (fingers crossed). The outcome of this cup will heavily rely on excellent sailing, which adds to the excitement.
Thanks Tom for the thoughtful update. Do you think the rocker at the back means that it will be less 'sticky' getting up onto the foils? Beautiful looking boat, wish it was transparent though so we could see all the complex control systems under the deck
Now it's your guys turn to wake up in the bloody middle of the night!!!!! ahahahahah I gave myself jet-lag last cup!
Thanks insightful as always. Nice ish lines but they’d be nicer and faster without cyclors pods. Power with green energy and let the sailors sail. Batteries in lower foil arms.
Makes sense for all teams to put their new hulls in the water with the first generation foils. It allows them to see just how much the new hull works better than the old design before plunging in to the use and tuning of their new foils.
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Great review as always. Any ideas when the other boats will be revealed? Can’t find any info
Well we'll get a better view of Alinghi today when they launch in daylight. INEOS have just teased a uncovered shot of their bow... so maybe in the next week or so. I would expect INEOS to be next as they did a lot of commissioning in the UK before shipping.
According to Bruni, they should be in the water today with legacy stuff. If it's half as fast as it's hot...
that will be interesting. The legacy mast was still missing downhaul hydraulics, although maybe it's not too hard to fit them overnight.
Checco said it's gonna take a bit longer, as they have to run a series of safety tests before actually sailing on it
I was expecting something more radical design-wise going by the team members' interviews last month. The chrome definitely looks much better than their first AC75, which I wasn't a big fan of aesthetically. Beautiful boat.
Good work Mozzy, that is a lovely looking boat. How will the scrutineers ensure that teams have the correct amount of computer aided input during racing?
Awesome, thank you. Team Emirates NZ seems hyper stable from recent footage
yes but with flat water
The silver gloss on lunna rossa i find hard to look and im looking at it on youtube ? Would need good sunglasses?? Could be issues there for other boats if reflection off the sun? Cant wait to see USA, love NZL looks sleek and super stable
Is there much to be said about the skegg in the rear third of the Hull dropping down lower than the other boats?
i can't possibly be the only one to notice that they managed put the shrouds supports inside the first pod...
Coming from a fashion house Luna Rossa always wins the prettiest on show. Lets see if it has the legs to match the bod.
That sure is a good looking craft.
I had assumed the hulls were made from carbon fiber and resin. The chrome finish is curious. I wonder how that was achieved? Seems any shiny finish is as good as chrome.
Extra cost and no apparent gain????
During the inauguration they said the foils are the latest from the last cup, not a new serie of foils
Si è così!
It appears to have been manufactured on Naboo...
Seems the fastest to reach foiling position but with more surface exposed to waves. And lower venturi effect (the best should be alinghi). If Etnz and Alinghi seems v.3 AC75, Lunarossa seems v.2.5.
Team NZ said it’s the old foils on Luna rossa just like ETNZ interesting.
Yeah hard to be sure actual hull differences at this point. Luna Rossa is beautiful and sleek looking but is it really sleeker?
It's Italian of course it's beautiful, I don't know if you watched the Interview with Dan Bernasconi, but I was very surprised to hear him say that the hull form isn't massively significant to boat speed and all the competitor's hull shapes would be within a couple of seconds of each other around the race course. I did wonder if the bussel would make a big difference in semi-foiling conditions.
Dans comments also make sense why all the boats are keeping their latest foils hidden for as long as possible, be interesting to know how long it takes to make a new set of foils. Could you CNC machine a set of foils from billet titanium in weeks rather than months...
Where do I put the beer???
What do you make of the foil arms they just dropped??
Re the ETNZ boat. Any thoughts on the selfie sticks? Would be cool if all the boats were chrome(d) so we could compare lines.
They are to observe and record sail shapes
yes, LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) used to map sail shapes. These devices. The specific device ETNZ are using was first used by INEOS in this Cup and is a device also used on autonomous bin lorries (trash trucks). ETNZ then used them, but with a stick to get a better view on their test boat and have carried it across to their race boat, albeit they will have to come off for racing.
Of course it matters. Look at the resurgence of 12 Metre racing around the world. And look at the J Class revival in Europe. Maybe the Americas Cup will return to Newport and Rhode Island Sound. Even as an Australian I would welcome that. Who could forget the great battles between the USA and Australia with gorgeous yachts like Weatherly, Intrepid and the Gretals. Look at the classic lines of an Olin Stephens designed and built yacht to understand why.
Luna Rossa is gorgeous and the new AC classes have introduced a lot of new technology to racing. But it's not affordable to the weekend racer, so it's wider benefit is questionable.
are fowler/extending flaps allowed in the rules? do you think anyone is using them? if a team could work out the sealing issue theyd seem like a game changer on the surface
the flaps are only allowed a single rotation point, so can't really get a true fowler flap. But if you move that rotation point further away from the wing (with a virtual pivot point and linkages) then you can mimic something similar which extends area as the flap comes down. As you suggest, I think sealing is the issue.
Do you think a setup like that is what ineos was testing on those chunky leq12 foils?
Italian Style never goes wrong 😍
Seems like the dropped deck is just an unnecessary additional cost now that everyone has it. Why didn't they just fix the loophole?
Italian fashion is winning fashion 🙂
ETNZ should call their Waka Tangaroa the Maori sea God. Or, Tawhirimatea God of the wind.
Black Magic will always be best name.
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Thinking about it, is there anything in the rules that says you can't pump hydrogen into the bustle to help the boat move from displacement mode into foiling?
PHYSICS.
audio is off
SO YOU think 💭 it’s a beautiful but you don’t know if it’s fast 😮let’s see
Ferrari on water
DO NOT pause at 5:07 worst mistake of my life
haha!
Common Australian Mega rich people. Get those wallets out and get Australia back in the Cup. Just wrong that New Zealand has an entry and we don't. I have no choice but to support my brothers across the ditch again.
LOL, I agree ! we all have the Aussies to thank for finally removing it from the clutch of the US and kicking off the modern era of AC (kiwi here BTW)
@@number1genoa It's been a long time since that famous Winged keel boat finally beat America. Unfortunately it seems like our mega rich mining magnates aren't interested in sailing which is a shame. It would be a drop in the bucket for someone like Gena Rinhart. Good luck in the cup. The boat looks fantastic and I love the new track and system for the mainsail. I used to sail myself when I was young in 125,s and 16ft skiffs mainly competitively.
Non so se sarà la migliore ma di sicuro la più bella di tutte.
MADE IN ITALY ❤
Since Team NZ aren't going to win this fashion contest, they could use some Giro Aerohead 2.0 helmets...
Luna Rossa topside looks okay apart from that rudder bulge, but I'm not a fan of the curve of the lower hull and bustle.Too much angle, not enough flat lift producing area.
they actually specifically aren't allowed aero helmets in the rules, which makes the penalties of having heads up above the cockpits more painful
That's the problem with fashion sponsors. You just can't have an ugly boat, no matter how much faster it would be.
Nevertheless, this will be the year that the cup goes to Italy. Again.
@@AnttiBraxl am Italian but I love your sarcasm. Honestly I don't think we will pull it off but I would hope to at least see some close racing. In the end we all want to see the sport competition drama not some dull boring drag race
@@AnttiBrax@AnttiBrax, I kindly remember your last cup finished 7-3 (and could have been easily 7-4 or 7-5). Very few cups ended so close.
Mi spiace ma non condivido. Gli Italiani da sempre uniscono bellezza e funzionalità tanto da avere successo nel mondo in ogni cosa che fanno.
Prada Is not the sponsor, It Is the owner of the boat, so....
Coming from a kiwi Mozzy, you can say it. ETNZs boat looks like someone vomited all over it.
😂😂😂
ETNZ III is short and sweet for the name,far better than a non English name and also unprouncable.
LUNA ROSSA are incapable of designing and building an ugly boat - however if ugly wins, then all the chrome and pizazz will loose its lustre overnight. Consigned to the A/C graveyard of abandoned hopefuls - along with INEOS which was properly ugly.
Yeah Nah team NZ is much better looking
Typical Italian design philosophy, doesn’t matter if it’s not the fastest car / yacht, as long as it looks the best and looks like it’s the fastest. 😊
I doubt it. They’ve invested hundreds of millions over decades to try and win the cup and the only thing they’re interested in is going fast, not looking good
typical prejudice with a little envy
All these foiling America's cup boats are as ugly as a sailboat can get. Appendages sticking out everywhere and a shape that looks like a 10 year-old's vision of a spacecraft. Give me a Sparkman and Stephens 72 footer any day.
Yes! Agree 100%
@swerne01= It's a matter of taste.
Those 12 meters in the downwind legs made for somewhat boring sequences at times. Plus, some of the exhilaration of 50 kts sailing rubs off on the present AC videos.
Modern racing boats are ugly, sorry.
Aerodynamics is't ugly.
Looks like oil. ☹️
Not if the crew is shite..
Teh - Re Hu Tie ,is how to say Te Rehutai
You are the 486th person to tell him this. He is not a kiwi and is giving it a bloody good shot. Remember, we don't pronounce the english language correctly either.
Tay-Ray Who Tie.....
Goodness knows what is going to happen when New Zealand becomes officially Aotearoa.
As a very biased kiwi, I have to say Luna Rossa is visually more beautiful than any boat so far. I’m a fan of the TNZ black boats, but not so much the nascar styled black, red and teal. It’s all a bit more is more, so add even more.
I agree with this comment but I suspect there is something more behind it. Whether it is to conceal certain things or just purely meeting sponsor agreements. Would love to see a black boat with a silver fern weaving through it though!