Kurt Vonnegut and Joseph Heller discuss World War II + Q&A (1995)
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- Joseph Heller and Kurt Vonnegut, both of whom actively participated in World War II, reminisced about their experiences during the war. Mr. Heller was a bombardier during the war and Mr. Vonnegut was an infantryman who was captured during the Battle of the Bulge. They talked about the horrors of the war for all sides. They also took questions from the audience. Mr. Heller’s most famous war-related work is Catch-22 and Mr. Vonnegut’s are Cat’s Cradle and Slaughterhouse Five.
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There's something charming about watching two literary giants not knowing how lapel mics work
It makes me happy seeing these guys together
You should read the _Playboy_ interview with these two from 93. They both had interesting perspectives on life.
Two of the greatest
Watching this on December 27th, 2022, with the Ukraine War and its estimaeed of 250,00 killed and 500,000 wounded. They had a optimistic!
Unnecessary? Depends on your POV, and for Truman who was given select information by his people, his goal may very well have been to save men's lives. His scientists wanted a test run, surveys showed. His top military officials DEEPLY regretted it and resisted it, before and after it happened, and no one else among the Allied Powers saw it coming. But like it or not, it led Russia to wanting to know how it could boost its own science experiments to compete with the US.
And, in the Tokyo Trials, the U.S. let Japanese military officials GO in exchange for data on human experiments Japan had conducted.
You are 100% right brother....american exceptionalism is a funny thing no...as a fun exercise ask a random american male in their 50s about Dresden, Tokyo, or the last work of the said architect fuck responsible for all of the, the North Korean carpet bombing campaign
tis is epic
There is a "RAp" Video of which is a better book- Heller's "Catch-22 or Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five." I read both book when I was much, much younger and I loved both Books. I like to see if not a CZcams, maybe a written Article on which is a better Book- Catch 22 or Slaughterhouse 5. At the Time, I liked Catch-22 better. I haven't read either Vonnegut or Heller in a long, long time. Maybe I'll read one of Heller's or Vonegut's other books that I have not read.
Have you watched the movies based on those books?
God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater, is a good choice.
Or Something Happened from Heller.
Two postmodern literary legends...
"Everything was the color of dogshit"
1:00:00 Yes the "democratic" country of America did wage wars against the Naive peoples at times and places. But they did now institute a general plan for total extermination the way the Nazis did against ethnicity, nationalities, and gender groups the. And there came a point where Native Americans were accorded reservations where they have considerable autonomy and many are doing economically well today. Not excusing American bad treatment of Naive Peoples. But there is no comparison with Nazis. Much of the worst treatment of Native Americans was perpetrated by Spanish Conquistadors, Russian colonists along America's west coast and gold miners and other exploiters in the 19th century.
Reservations are/were not death camps. Most deaths of native Americans were inadvertent - by diseases the colonists did not understand and did not intentionally transmit to native Americans. The American government and the European colonists for the most part had no intention to completely exterminate Native Americans. The Nazis DID have a dedicated program to totally exterminate ethnic minorities.
Vonnegut surrendered to the Germans during the Battle of the Bulge along with most of the 106th Division.
Is this supposed to be a gotcha comment?
There are a lot of "Revisionist" Historians and People like Oliver Stone who thought Dropping the Atomic Bomb was Unncecessary and was done to Scare the Russians.
That's not an unpopular view. Even Howard Zinn subscribed to it.
It's not revisionist, declassified archives showed that preventing the USSR from invading Japan from the north was a major factor in dropping the bomb and indeed a demonstration of power that was far more incredible technologically than the firebombing of Japan.
*Those points aren't entirely wrong, but consider that they might have just been icing on the cake:*
The decision in dropping the bomb likely came from Truman's want to prevent further bloodshed in the form of a land invasion and in risking POW lives across Japanese occupied lands, but at the same time he didn't believe testing a bomb publicly or dropping one overseas FIRST would DO anything since the scientists of Japan (it seems) did not expect this technology would even exist for another few decades at least, and would not believe it if they saw it (this later happened, in the time AFTER the bombing of Hiroshima but BEFORE Nagasaki). In addition, expectations were that the Japanese military heads were preparing their own civilians to fight, not wanting to give any ground or surrender. Not all civilians wanted a part in fighting to the DEATH, but seeing as how an internal military rebellion failed before this, the top military officials in Japan were probably headstrong to uphold their ideal Empire.
Unnecessary? Depends on your POV, and for Truman who was given select information by his people, his goal may very well have been to save men's lives. His scientists wanted a test run, surveys showed. His top military officials DEEPLY regretted it and resisted it, before and after it happened, and no one else among the Allied Powers saw it coming. But like it or not, it led Russia to wanting to know how it could boost its own science experiments to compete with the US.
And, in the Tokyo Trials, the U.S. let Japanese military officials GO in exchange for data on human experiments Japan had conducted.
Is there any anti-American view that Howard Zinn does not subscribe to?
In Slaughterhouse-FIve Vonnegut somehow managed to transform 22,500 to 25,000 deaths at Dresden into "135,000 Hansels and Gretels baked into cookies."
*69,420 deaths at Dresden.
@@murderc27 Not even close. There's no credible source for a figure that high.
135k was a number propagated in a best seller at the time (1963) - KV used this. The figure of 22 to 25k has been substantiated sense then.