Hindu Temple Freedom And Casteism
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- In this podcast, Kushal speaks with Harsh Madhusudhan Gupta and Abhijit Iyer Mitra about the freedom of Hindu temples. They cover the basic arguments in favour of temple freedom and the potential problems, including the fear of casteism after temples are out of the clutches of government control.
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00:00:00 - intro
00:02:27 - Temple Freedom
00:17:45 - Staying with the govt
00:26:50 - Casteist Concerns
00:41:55 - The solution
01:01:33 - Hindutva Free Rider
01:11:37 - Major issues
01:38:49 - QnA
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Mere mami Dusari cast ki thi, unki shadi ko April me 2024 me 14 years ho jate , but when my mama died the village head did not allow us to do his ceremony in his own village... Only 50 people were allowed & they were very adamant that Mami should not sit in any rituals... & we have to accept all their demands, Why because everyone was worried samaj ladkiyon ki shadi nahi hone dega... i hate this samaj system they never come to help when in need, but will be frist to dictate how and what should be done...
Samaj is the reason why Hindu Society is not United or organized unlike Islam and Christian society.
😂😂😂 shows the brain efficiency !
It's pretty ironic that the audio quality was better when the podcast was online
Lol
Only in the first quarter
Never ending problem. Yaar, in my village since one of my relative married a so called low caste girl, village people most probably would prohibit my family from entering my family diety temple! WTF 🤦
Which village and state?
Police complain karne bole
Aur tum bhi karo
“Most probably” !?
@@neon-astronaut father told this is generally what happens. I'm outside my village in other state and relatives in mainland village will isolate them from family fold
There is already a law against caste-based discrimination. You can use that law.
Level of podcasts on carvaka podcast is going up day after day
Yes, except sound!
Extremely enlightening conversation. Harsh Madhusudan Gupta is an underrated gem, I've mentioned this elsewhere too. He is so knowledgeable, clear in intent and has vwry good point of view. AIM is as usual articulate, and explains things in a way every chaprasi could understand.
Would love to see these 2 against or talking fine details about this issue with J Sai Deepak and TR Rameshji
For activists like JSD, this is not a spectator sport like it is for disingenuous Kushalbuddin AIM types
Thank you for discussing this, at the juncture of which Our Bharat Culture is, it’s extremely important to understand and discuss this issue 🙏🙏🙏🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Thank you to all of you for discussing about this very important topic.🙏
To those arguing that priesthood is a right for Brahmins , consider a few things. You expect reservation to end so entry to unis can be based on merit, but don’t expect the same for priesthood? Why does any group have a ‘right’ to priesthood when it should be an earned privilege and a calling? Traditionally Brahmins were poor and had to live off the alms of others, but today people are talking like it is a business that is owed to one community.
Consider also that if the majority of Hindus are excluded from Hindu priesthood and temples, why would they want to stay in a religion they’re not considered equal in?
I’ve gone back and forth on this topic, bc i understand the need for maintaining traditions. I’m much less concerned with who gets to be a priest than how well the priesthood and traditions are maintained.
Currently there is massive corruption at temples. My own family has been fighting some temples for re-ownership of certain rituals and aspects so they can be done properly but it is an up hill battle. There definitely is an argument for family-based ritual ownership bc it forces someone to be responsible for it - however we ourselves are in this position bc in the previous generation, several grandparents didn’t care about the rituals and we’ve now been fighting to get that back so it can be performed properly. I would be happy if this fight wasn’t just between a huge temple/corrupt politicians…vs 2 members of my family and instead between Hindus and the corrupt board. Bc this very well known temple isn’t just my family’s, it is OUR collective heritage
priesthood is right of every hindu regardless of caste colour or anything, only merit is hindu theology
I agree with most of the things said here that Hindu temples should be freed and birth based caste criteria for Priesthood should be done away with. My only disagreement is that the State cannot enforce a ban on Birth based discrimination. It should entirely for the temples and people to decide. The State has no business.
These people are talking as if the Indian State will be bestowing a favour upon Hindus by freeing temples. No! It is a right of Hindus to have their temples back. If the Indian State wants to ban casteism, then why apply it only on Hindu temples and not on Ashraf clergy in Mosques and caste based Churches?
If the Indian State wants to encourage caste egalitarianism, then it should offer incentives to temples instead of punishments. Offer some lucrative schemes to Hindu temples to be free of Caste discrimination instead of banning which takes away the freedom of Hindus to run their temples on their own terms. Why no carrots but only sticks for Hindus. On the other hand, the Indian State goes on giving funds and concessions to Churches and Mosques without any conditions. How is this fair?
Recently, Nikhil Mehra was on this podcast discussing Halal. Halal system is clearly discriminatory on the basis of religion and Birth-based caste but the conclusion was that State was trying to solve a socio-economic, market related problem through legal means and should refrain from legal intervention. Here the conclusion is that State can legally intervene to remove a societal caste discrimination problem from Hindu temples and the society has to accept it to get back something that should not have been snatched away from them in the first place. Just Wow!! Sheer intellectual inconsistency.
The State is over zealous to interfere into and reform the Hindu society, not needed at times, but it will not even touch evil rituals and practices of other communities. Either this is institutionalized discrimination against Hindus or soft bigotry of low expectations against Non-Hindus or both. From my understanding, this is the premise you all have precisely build your arguments upon. This is implicit moral and cultural relativism which incidentally you keep opposing.
Let's just say these people do not give a fuck about Hindus. They will only debate and pontificate but not do any action.
The podcast is just for timepass. None takes kushal and company seriously.
Very well said
@@suryasen7kushal is Atheist and Gupta is anti Brahmin they just wants end of UC
Baniyas shud donate all their wealth+ kirana stores to Dalits
I see all the criticism. But if you read this, thank you very much for the podcast. Right or wrong, uts important to have these discussions. Better late than never.
Hindu temples are for all Hindus! 🙏🏽 krishna said we are all equal to him!
And yet he divided people into Varna and called certain section paap yoni on basis of pseudoscientific karma from previous birth
Another Great Bharatiya podcast 👍👍👍👍
Patronization is different than controlling. Ancient kings used to give endowments to temple but they did not control the outflow of money. The kings never interfered where the temple will put its money. This man is confused between state patronization and state control.
You must be wrong because kushalbuddin is always right
@@suryasen7 Is this a satire?
@@spdude7267 not in the eyes of universalist Kushalbuddin
Very late to this but what a discussion! Please bring Harsha and Abhijit back to discuss the current legal conversations and do a much more in depth one. Bravo!!
Unbelievable depth.thanks for doing this
Appreciate this discussion. Agree with the basic premise as well. One of the reasons why there is push back from activists from Tamil Nadu is because of the pressure even privately held temples have from the state government on changing traditions including requiring prayers and puja be conducted in Tamil irrespective of how the deity was consecrated and what the rules of doing puja in the temple traditionally are. The govt require priests be from all castes. They also routinely push their way into garba grahas and step on elevated places in the temple the priests attempt to stop them from being in during the puja. Because of the level of pressure on temples in Tamil Nadu to change traditions there's probably a natural defense mechanism to push back against anyone trying to set so called secular rules for temples. More communication without name calling is required to resolve this and not disrupt the whole movement. Also an option should be provided as Abhijit mentioned to request for exception from any temple specific rules based on documented proof since the establishment of the temple or at least spanning two millennia. Also these rules could be specific to temples currently under govt control and not apply to privately held temples as long as they don't take public donations through donation boxes. There are bound to be tons of traditions that we don't even know about and it's best to start off being liberal about providing exceptions as long as they are not blatantly discriminatory based on birth. Hope a consensus is achieved.
Thank you for this excellent discussion
This podcast is Enlightening!!
Great podcast bhai! Please bring an sc/st person like guru parakash ji or prerna ji. Would love to hear their opinions
Most important topic for discussion and resolution.
wow what a very interesting discussion! I fully appreciated it
Great stream
#askabhijit could you please make a detailed podcast on the inadequacies of the Indian law and order and the reforms needed to get back on track.
Very good discussion. While caste based discrimination should definitely not be tolerated, the caveat seems to being overstated. There are already existing laws in place to prevent it. And to some level, it will be better to trust the Hindu community to punish those engaging in discrimination as we saw in the Karpatri Maharaj issue. It is always better than legislating these things.
Kushal did an entire monologue stating that he is hindutva... However he started this discussion stating that he is not "entirely" hindutva. Does one need to be affiliated to any unit of the sangha parivar to be hindutva?
Great podcast though !
Kushalbuddin is a brown sahib who does brown sahib taqiya
@@suryasen7chala ja bot ki behuda paydaees
Bhai itna bada mic hain awaaz kidhar hain
Are there hereditary reservations for any other casta? For example, weavers or fishermen? If there are, there could be a reasonable argument be made for people who serve as temples purohita. The deeper question is not of equal 'rights', but, what system/who will preserve the sampradaya with fidelity and respect to dharma. Work back from that requirement and design a system that will best serve that requirement. You can't mandate a new system based on leftwing understanding or 'rights'. Every mandir should be able to promote local sampradaya, the same way a modern plant like the SGPC can over gurudwara.
Why don't you bring JSD and debate it out to draw a common minimum consensus on it? You guys have some very good points and I've heard him making some sense too, I'm sure you'll reach some common ground. Let's end this trad vs raita bs and work together as Hindus.
JSD is staunch believer of BIRTH based Jati vyavstha. He wants only Brahmins to hold these positions.
There was an interview on Opindia channel where JSD and the guest here had a debate. It was good.
@@Vk-sk7nmno, he said that brahmins should stick to their traditional duties. If others want to join they can.
you people are great
Lovely podcast
Do have one discussion about ' What is a temple? '.
Algo comment and to inform & advise the portable 🍊 sofa that graced us today in the discussion to peddle 🚲 first before anything else 😊 for the sake of it's long lasting health
In twitter people are proud of their STEPPE aryan genes...and consider anyone dark as subhuman kalua..forget unity or considering others as equal..they can accept another invader from STEPPE ....but fellow countrymen are sub-humans...
Eerily similar to brown sahib posterboy kusha buddin
@@suryasen7 yes..just like ur white masters see u..
Yes you people can go on with your hindutva we don't want anything with it
Steppe subclade are mostly among the Shudras of Haryana and Punjab and it has nothing to do with your skin colour. For example R1M 124 gene are found among Jews, (50% Bihar Yadav) (87 % Jaunpur kshtriye) but 100% Bengali karamli ST caste
@@shubhamdubey9561You know you have existential crisis going on, the TFR is very low. You don't subscribe to it, but Hindutva has taken a great leap toward its actual aim
Great discussion, but the audio quality can be better
Please talk to more learned people on this topic as it needs a wider discussion. E.g. sampradayas such as Chitrapur Saraswat where the very identity is drawn from the math? Wouldn’t it be important that that sampradaya continues to manage it and the priests and Swamiji need to be from that sampradaya. Note that all the people in the region worship there and participate actively in the festivals. There is no restriction on entry. The financial support comes from the Chitrapur Saraswat community worldwide. Maybe Shrikant Talageri uncle can offer some wisdom on this topic. Thank you 🙏
Yeh samaj se bahar nikal denge wala blackmailing hota wo.. It really big deal for our previous generation.. But i really believe in individualism right and will so societal disowning doesn't bother me but family disown is still major problem for this generation.
A wrong premise in this discussion is the assumption that all major temples were under the patronage of rulers. This is not entirely true. This is true for temples built by kings. Basically the temples were under the patronage of whoever built it. In the south of India there is a concept of family deity that is associated with a specific family and the family temple is for the family deity and for the family's ancestors. In such temples there are typically traditions that allow or require certain privileges and responsibilities for descendants of a family. Like certain parts of a ritual have to be performed by people of that family because it is for the ancestor and not the deity. Or certain types of food after being offered in the puja has to be eaten by descendants of that family because it was offered to the ancestor. Over eight to nine generations in a village almost all people of a caste end up related or "family". This is where a lot of the issues of people trying to prevent people from other caste from entering into their caste's temple on certain days or certain occasions comes up. This should ideally not be the case for large temples under the government. However this is likely to become an issue among relatively smaller temples in villages and a balanced solution should be derived for this issue instead of an approach of "this is all superstition and illogical". Even if it is superstition and illogical let it die a natural death instead of pushing for it and antagonizing people who have been holding on to that tradition and taking care of that temple for ages.
Keep this format Bring in better couches and some snacks !!
Keep it up old boys
Cheap bania mentality will not allow it!
No snacks please
@@suryasen7hmm..
Bigotry runs deep...
@@ytskt lol, we can't discuss mercantile class which sold out bharata time and time again.
@@suryasen7 do you know which community the vast majority of the zamindars (who exploited Indians on behalf of the British) came from?
Our rituals have some elements of tantric, our believes are mostly puranic stories related.....
We have given up Vedic tradition long ago
@@Viraj911 exactly
Very good
lovely
Kal tak karliyo mic set
Even after years, video and audio quality is not good.
Really great topic but you ruined it all with the audio issues bro. Not good.
Too much disturbance in the video... Mr mehra was busy adjusting Mike and audio quality also he was not looking at all in the eyes of harsh when he was talking initially... Looked very awkward
Aim from 55:30 🐘
Maratha 96 kuli, jats, Gujjar, rajput, thakur are the most casteist today.
Most casteist are the brown sahibs like Kushalbuddin who need to prove their west living credentials by abusing indians
No,
Neobudhists are the most castiest today.
But ofcourse Brahmins are easy prey isliye Jo aata hai Baja ke chala jaata Hain.
3% of population with no rights or usme bhi 50% bpl hain kya hi ukhad lenge kisi ka?
N abaadi jada hai n Paisa hain.
In temples,priesthood and temple administration are both different, the priesthood is only there to follow the traditional poojas and other karmas, the administration (so called dharmakarta) were from the surrounding villages. It was the adminstration that handled money and priests the poojas. There are strict rules to follow for becoming a priest, as long as they follow that i feel its ok for any hindu to become a proest
The emancipation of depressed classes is politically upto them by means secured by Dr. Ambedkar.
They might can emancipated but some people still may practise soft castism and have derogatory attitude towards lower castes
Please make sure the guest’s mic is close to their mouth because the levels are so unequal it’s distracting from the convo
Audio not clear..
02:08 If you don't consider yourself to be hindutva then why did you say in your monologue a year ago which was named itself as "I am Hindutva" kindly explain or have you changed your mind since then ?
Kushalbuddin was doing taqiya. He is a brown sahib in his heart. I say that brown sahibs should be proud brown sahibs. No need to hide behind fake labels. Be a proud brown sahib Kushalbuddin
He is no brown sahib brown he said he associate with hindutva ideas but is not officially associated with them to give their official perspective
வேதங்களில் ஜாதி பிறப்பினால் மனிதர்களிடையே உயர்வு தாழ்வு பேதம் சொல்லப்படவில்லை , ஜாதி வேறு வர்ணம் வேறு.
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So the misunderstanding is Jati is not birth based, it’s lifestyle based. Like Harsh said, if priest selection requires them to be from a lineage and even if the training has to begin at age 5, it’s okay as long as the criteria for eligibility does not discriminate based on Jati. Thing is when someone joins that lineage they lose their original jati identity essentially.
And historically even the local jati such as a Malyali Brahmin is a lifestyle, so a child from any Jati can be adopted into it and following this Dincharya they would become a Malayali Brahmin, hence it isn’t birth based discrimination.
On temple entry if it’s okay to stop Non-Hindus to enter a temple which is for Hindus. It should also be okay to stop people who don’t belong to the Jati X entering in a temple for Jati X. Since, Hinduism is a very broad term, and for a Hindu their closest dharma is to their Guru/Jati lineage. So there can be temples that are for all Hindus, and there can also be temples for selected group. Again the previous paragraph logic still applies. Even if by birth a Children is of any religion/jati if they were adopted in a Jati they lose their previous identity and will not be disallowed entry in a temple meant for the Jati they are now part of.
great example: village temples, The village has multiple Jaatis & people, but these people came from different part of India for business purposes, but now, they worship it
1:25:03
Combination of beef and raita! Boi!
Seriously.. how many people really wants to be a priest? Even brahmin families aren't interested in priesthood anymore. You can't look after a family with that poor income. Everybody pray in their homes & go on abt their lives.
AIM enters the thumbnail!😅
Seriously concerned about Abhijits health .. he is an imp research resource for all of us. ....
Funny how meaning changes when words are shortened. You meant "imp" as important, but "imp" means a devil-like small creature. Which Abhijit can be sometimes.😂😂 ❤
@ashxsh 😂😂😂 i didn't think that through 😅
@@shreyamukherjee9792 Good that you didn't, otherwise we wouldn't have this joke. And who has the time to think about everything. Never mind.
Of temples have emanated from Hindu religion….. don’t you think answer to temple problem will also lie in the scriptures…… ???
Let's there be rule:
Once person become temple priest, he/she is longer belong to past caste anymore. He/she must reject the past & now be called as "Brahmin" or "Pundit" or whatever the name is for that temple priest.
That person who has certain caste, must die & have new identity according to that temple.
It is basic rule when someon becomes Brahmin or Rishi. That person is no more what was he/she yesterday.
We have "Dwija" means twice born or new born. Dwija is no more what he/she past. So, here, anyone from any caste became whatever Brahmin, Kshatriya reject the past. He/she may have history of past, as identification, he/she must reject the past.
Such logics, i really pity on all three of you. Birth, Birth.....say it you targeting Brahmins....doing tokenism won't help. The whole conceptualisation of the discussion is that, the current system by Pujaris dominated by Brahins are not working and discriminatory.
1. Look like , basically the discussion is for reservation in Temples?
2. Pujaris, pandits needed to be trained in "aagam" shastras, period.
3. Rules of the tempels as institution should be followed, whether you as a person like it or not (women entry, varna entry, bla bla).
4. When you discuss laws for a Mandir, you do involve the state/admin/courts, so that not freedom.
5. Anything else, is interference.
Angrej ke chamchey interference nahi karengey to kya karengey.
Brahmin should leave hinduism bro we need to aware our girls of hindutva ideology
@@shubhamdubey9561Until caste exist, there would be never Hindu unity. And also caste based reservation would also never be abolished.period.
@@rk-is3cw reservation tab Tak rahega jab tak UC khatam nahi ho jaata you can have your hindu unity UC don't want to be a part of it anymore enjoy your hindutva my whole friend circle agree with me
@@shubhamdubey9561 I can understand your hatred towards Dalits and once by your typing . Cope harder.
Currently most of the Traditional temples in the South have Non- Brahmin priest. So if birth based priesthood discussion will begin, the DMK and parties alike will get active against it. They will get great excuse to fullfill their ulterior motive
They atleast have right cause unlike Sanghis who support casteism untouchability
@@rk-is3cw Lol Sanghis doesn't support castism and untouchability. Stop consuming propoganda . The biggest Sanghis Veer savarkar talked about the destruction of caste and untouchability. The small fraction those who support such things are themselves against the Sanghis. Their biggest enemy is Sanghis not the Leftist, DMK, Congress or Neo-Buddhist group
@@Viraj911 what is lightness?. Doing casteism untouchability honour killings by doing samaj- samaj game is lightness?
@@rk-is3cw These are mostly prevelent in the states which boast about themselves being very progressive and free from communalism. According to pew survey, these Social degradation is more in these states. Also, Honour killing is not just one country or cultural phenomenon. It's prevelent in South Asia and Middleast. Also you need to read about the untouchability as well. It's still practiced in Yemen, Tibbet, Korea, Japan and Africa. Europe has got rid of because of rapid economic development, industrialisation and Social revolution. That's why their society is sensitive about the Racism and honour killing practice. While Asian countries despite development for example South Korea, Japan, China still have some sort of racial and class problem.
@@Viraj911 There is no caste system in china Japan South Korea in present contemporary time. Please don't state stories here.
I like the video but I don't comment, because YOU DONT READ COMMENTS and reply
But all of you are yaketting without telling us the basis .... how much time have you spent with temple priests, even of Sabarimala, to understand what is their tradition of priesthood??? You need to at the least understand last 500 years of each temple's tradition!!! Why english speaking sold-outs to british made cinstitution have to moralise to people who have spent family life times in service of the temple??
Am @ 54 mins... Giving a break... Will listen to the rest later... But I typed my comment and removed... Will give after @aim comes in... However.... Here's what I typed so far... Hell you even see it or not..
Madhu is doing a cut copy paste of Vashishtha vs Vishwamitra
Guys... And superimposing his questions to the modern day... He is confused and he is propagating his confusion
@kushalmehra &
55:19 lagtaa hain AIM abb halka ho ke ayaa hain 😂😂
Horrible audio. This is an important topic. Wouldve liked to listen
Sadatan Dharma stands on casteist principles. Period.
Control all religions places. Then free hindu temple.
Yes, these need much more thought. Why aren’t we calling for proper studies from IIMs or IITs on the financial and other issues? Some key questions.
1. How do you manage inherent contradictions of an Abrahamic mindset vs a Dharmic one? For example, can you secularize the priests? If you select a priest that is Sep ifically a Pujari in the temple, how do you ensure that the Temple and the devatas aradhana is followed properly? For example, a Pujari coming from a strongly nonvegetarian family is more likely not to be a vegetarian. That detracts from the image of the temple and the devata I. E defiles it in the believers perception. How about the temple cooks? Would the temple Bhakthas like it if the Prasadam is prepared nonauthentically? How about the temple barbers who are employed to give hair offerings? Would the sanctity be maintained? Can these issues be amicably resolved and managed by the Mathas or Ashramas?
More questions: if the temple Pujari s son in law is not a Brahmin can you admit him as a Pujari? If yes that is one problem. If no that is another problem.
They can be given instructed training.these habbits can be cultivated .you can think all Pujari children get it by birth they are trained from day 1 .
@@nsmurty4296 They will have to permit, because you can't violet fundamental rights of the any citizen of the India. The government allowed intercaste marrige and abolished Untouchability on two ground first. These two are not the intrinsic part of Hinduism. Second it's violets the fundamental rights of the individual
Very bad audio
Start your own new temples and new sampradaya. Both harsh and kushal want to destroy thousand year traditions.
Original Tradition is not being followed that's why this is necessary. Being Brahman is not based on birth .
@@diablo_the_demon_king it is birth based.
@@booksquotes948 does it not involve gunas or other things as per Gita ?
@@booksquotes948thousand years old traditions doesn't even exists today in its pure and original form, everything is diluted and contaminated with dogma and superstitious corruptions
@@diablo_the_demon_kinghindu scriptures deliberately promotes birth based casteism prejudicial discriminatory structure and it's oppressive practices which suggests that casteism is inherent and inseparable part of hinduism
I feel sad how priests don’t have the shraddha anymore. They do the minimum and move on to worldly pursuits like money, politics, family issues etc. I personally would like temple priests to be of utmost Shraddha towards the deity, any Jati. Something in the system should infuse that in persons.
Sham ko dhokha dei diya 🤬
Abhijit ka dieting khatam hogaya lagta hai 😂
Abhijit is Phat af
Motu AIM....charbi ke dukan 😂😂
These guys don't realise that being a Hindu temple priest is not an individual vocation but a family and to even some extent a clan/jaati vocation.
Kushalbuddin had no problem taking money out of his family factory. What a dunce!
@@suryasen7what exactly is wrong with that ?
@@CockySuSMounted Kushalbuddin has no problem with taking advantage of his family connections family wealth family business, but he turns hostile as soon as some hindu eg brahmin family wants to preserve veda. It shows his meanness hypocrisy and unsympathetic attitude. Very much like Muslims who turn hostile as soon as CAA allows Hindus to escape hellhole Pakistan.
@@suryasen7 you are using false equivalency to defend your lies either because of your confusion or intentional cunning aim but ultimately the true truth is that Kushal in no freaking way was,is,will be against preserving VEDAS which is not the sole right or duty of only BRAHMINS just to be clear.
Whatever he does in private life is his private matter as long as it doesn't cross the legal and moral limit.
@@CockySuSMounted he is a fraud as has been proven again and again. He begrudges Hindus the few traditions they have left and he has said numerous times that traditional Hindus need to be eliminated.
2 raite ek saath😂😂
Trad stuff 😅
Tu kya faila raha hai?
@@millennialmind9507mai tu hindu hi nahi hoon aise hi maje lene ke liye boldiya. But ye log over liberal hai thode j sai deepak merko sahi lagte hai
@@Zapzuuuuu J sai puri tarah sahi nahi hai, koi bhi puri tarah 100 percent sahi nahi hota, sawal hai ki kya aap atleast more than 50 percent agree karte ho unke sath
@@millennialmind9507hindus are hindus. This raita clowns were formerly called brown sahibs.
It's a waste podcast if you don't have a jsd perspective or tr Ramesh one
Sham sharma par jao
Kyu wo kisi channel may bhi live nahi hay 🤷♂
Harsh was the only one fully focused on the topic. Abhijit and Kushal were constantly busy with their mobile. It’s extremely irritating, lazy, unprofessional, and insincere, and a big turn off for the viewers. Ironically the discussion also went to ‘hindutva free loaders’ and I’m wondering how kushal and abhijit are not the same when they can’t even sit with complete focus for a topic of such importance to Hindus but will monetise the same video for money and use it for fame as well.
Savarkar won but posthumously. Karpatriji need not win or lose. He was, is and shall remain right!
Heard, Abhijit gave up smoking and turned vegetarian. Why? breathlessness? bp, anxiety etc?. life is simple. It doesnt discriminate. Similarly, varna is a natural phenomenon and not man made. Harsh understands this very well. So let Acharyas decide. But yes, society should have right to ask them about 'shastra' behind particular 'tradition'.
If you are doubting tradition then why save it!
Cant you even ask questios? Well, ask right questions to right individual.
You can not ask Abhijit to design a rocket launcher( he very well might be knowing the complex equations but still), you cant ask Harsh about plastic surgery and can not ask Kushal about fluid dynamics!
Hence birth based or otherwise, sampraday acharyas should have final say in this matter! They must be answerable to seekers like you three. Also unless qualified, people like you can not , should not, must not have authority to form a rule or pass law in this matter.
What lots of illogical analogy you have given. Abhijit can't be scientists or can be scientists has nothing to do with his birth based caste.
The so called Acharyas like Puri Shankaracharya openly supported casteism untouchability and caste based discrimination. Giving final say to him would disunify and weaken Hindu society allowing other religions to gain ground. I can understand your hatred towards lower castes and Dalits by above statements.
@@Viraj911The so called Acharyas like Puri Shankaracharya openly supported casteism untouchability and caste based discrimination. Giving final say to him would disunify and weaken Hindu society allowing other religions to gain ground. I can understand your hatred towards lower castes and Dalits by above statements.
@@rk-is3cw I know about Puri Shankaracharya. He is just the head of one muth and one sampradaya called Shaivitive, Non- Agamic Shaivitive don't agree with him. Vaishnav, Gaudiya vaishnav, shakta etc don't agree with him. Don't put your word and allegation on me by just misinterpreting my statement. I just gave you example because people like you think Caste discrimination and untouchability is inclusive to India and Hindu culture. While other cultures are good. I am saying that society takes time for transformation and evolution. It's not a overnight think. Pew survey says 30% Indian practice untouchability and it's not exclusive to the upper caste only. It's include all castes and religion. If in 1949 100% UC or caste Hindu practiced it. So it's now just 40% and overall 30%
@@Viraj911 Puri Shankaracharya himself has claimed he is supreme head of Hinduism . Just like how pope exist for Catholics. He himself has claimed it according to his video himself and his followers also has acknowledged it . I agree that other religions in India have caste , however it's because of surrounding Hindu environment they got influenced and started following caste system.
Abe sara setup pehle hi kar liya kar na show shuru hone k baad fudaktaa fir raha hai.
Why are you guys discussing “matters of faith” which is personal to the faith in such broad brushes!
Guptaji is a brainless intellectual
A close second to Kushalbuddin