Reservations Past Present And Future
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- In this podcast, Kushal speaks with Anand Ranganathan about reservations. Anand and Kushal discuss whether reservations are needed and who deserves them. They also discuss the controversial subject of reservations in the private sector.
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00:00:00 - intro
00:08:40 - Reservations
00:22:18 - Private Reservation
00:31:40 - Post Mandal era
00:37:22 - Mismatch Hypotheisis
01:00:00 - QnA
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I am a 3rd gen immigrant hindu from undivided India , me and my sibling both missed from institutes of national importance by less than 1% , my father struggled through business and my grandfather didn't get promotion because we are from so called upper class , we were not given lands or homes and I have proof of that , Congress called us burden and we are not hindu enough for BJP , we have never used govt school education or hospitals , my father died early nothing is upper class about my life and from the stats of it , never will be , I will be leaving India soon and that should have been done by us way earlier coz people from my community have flourished abroad
इंडिया gives chances to undeserving PPL like crazy 😂 msry but one day most of the genrals will lose hope and abandon this country
Hindu, middle class, non reserved is a worst combination a human can have. We are on our own.
Ews is there for them
@@NitinKumar-qv1fw kon bola?
K ews sirf unke liye hai?
Chahiye bhi nahi. Equal rights chahiye. Bhik nahi.
@@janbawaingade303 article 15 and 16 me mention hai agr aap hindu hai aap middle class se hai aur aap sc/st/obc nhi hai to aapko ews milega .
2. Bhikh nhi chahiye to opposes kro ews ka
3. Equality ka matlb bhi pata hai ki bs bol diya
@@NitinKumar-qv1fw nahi भाई. मतलब nahi पता. Har नागरिक एक समान ऐसा लगता था आज तक.
Oppose कर रहा भाई मै. सिधा सिधा देश से बाहर निकालो नॉन reservesd को. मॅटर खतम. Ews सिर्फ हिंदू नॉन रिजरवड मिडल क्लास को Milta hai?
Khairat bat ke kaise chalega desh?
@@NitinKumar-qv1fw muze to bola gaya ki income ki limit hai ews k liye.
Anand sir by saying "incentivising" the private companies to include reservation, doesn't mean the govt is giving a choice to the companies there. For example, if 2% tax exemption is incentive for the companies who give reservation, then it is 2% extra tax for those who don't comply. How's this a choice? This is called penalty.
Govt is also taking a cut in its earnings
I am starting to rethink my whole outlook about this person after this episode.
Is he actually as good and smart as we thought till now?
And?
A government looks at the macro picture of the economy and not just the singular benefit of a company or two.
The government also realises that for the entire country to be prosperous, an absolute majority of its citizens need to be included in the economy for value-generation, even those who are underprivileged.
Our scarcity+hoarding mindset is what's holding us back.
@@PrimoPete
Do you work as a spokesperson for GoI?
@@noneoftheabove666 Do I have to? Especially to speak common sense that most democracies also adhere to?
Do you not want most if not all citizens in your nation to be prosperous?
1:22:19
This is so true. I gave NEET and in my first attempt scored 560. However, I could not get admission to a government medical college. I was very sad when I found out that a boy in our class got into the medical college with just a score of 396.
This was the first time i came to know about reservation and caste.
Had to try again for getting into a gov. Medical college.
that is shortage of supply or dont make it so marks centric.
all the best for next time brother!! 560 in first attempt is soo good, I'm sure you will get it in next try.🙌
@@sachithrao6353 if not marks centric then what criteria would you propose???
Your approach of comparison is misguided. You should consider only the seats available under your category. E.g GC , GC + OBC (Non creamy layer), GC + SC, GC + ST, GC+ Women, GC + OBC (NCL) + Women … , GC + Quota + PH, GC + Quota + Children of Armed Forces (CAP). You also need to look at number of people competing in each category. It’s relatively high for GC and too low sometimes in few 100s for STs. If you have not considered all these factors in the field u could get disappointed and keep complaining about the system. E.g. My cohort in Masters was a Brahmin and made the cut in CAP category with a rank of 8,000. The rest of the field excluding SC/ST & women was below 1000. We can’t be jealous or pity someone in the class of 30. They were no mugs either as they competed equally well in the course. Yes many of them did not have systematic education like the rest.
True yaar mere sath bhi yahi hua hai 😢😭😭😭😭
Reservation is there because of caste , caste is not because of reservations
All are concentrating on reservations but not on the root cause that is caste
Discuss on how to remove caste from the minds of people
U are discussing only on symptoms not on disease
You can't remove caste because it is something like racism, adultery, etc. You can enforce strict laws so that it doesn't happen. Doesn't justify reservations where merit is comprised.
Reservation has created a new Spectrum of Dalits called General Category and new Brahmins from previous Dalits.
Kuch bhi
@@uniqueone4277they are new elite...
They are controlling Modi...
@@uniqueone4277kya kuch bhi
@@uniqueone4277you won't get it. Becouse, you are benefiting from it.
that may be true but it is not about reservation or not. I think you're referring to incorrect implementation. In India no government plan is implemented 100% correct. But we should improve that
I am against reservations... Inequality in the name of equality only creates inequality.
I am also against varna vyavsta and jati
@@uniqueone4277 yes. Constitution promotes it
@@uniqueone4277same here but i am also against reservation
General caste fucked up only in
75 year, imagine what was happened to us when we had no land ownership for the centuries.
I have lost all respect for anand ranganathan. He is just being a people appeaser. I thought at least people like him would have the courage to at least discuss the cons of reservation but he is just focused on justifying the statement that he made. We need to find better ways to uplift the dalits which do not make upper class feel dicriminated against. That is what the discussion should be about but everybody just want to continue the khairaat!!
I go to a medical college where the fee for general category students is ₹14,00,000 per year. For OBC's it is ₹7,00,000; for NT's it is ₹1,40,000 and for SC/ST it is ₹14,000 which is 100% refundable if the student has a Non Creamy Layer certificate (i.e income under ₹8L). This is in addition to the cut off criteria which for me(a general category student) was a rank < 50,000 and for a SC student was around
OBC NCL*. Sare obc ko reservation nahi milti bhaijan
Also heard about general seats being taken by reserved candidates....
And after getting those freebies they don't focus on studies cz there's nothing to loose.
@@dhavaldhaval3377 entry level(first degree) reservation is game changing for the family, agreed.
But subsequently, they should be removed
@@dragonslayer0 there is no need think as if we have limited capacity to train some fresh brains.. why should we west that time, effort and expanse on the one who is very low on intellect and grasping capacity.. we should always aim to train and continue to train who gives justice to the degree.. not the ones who holds it cz state gave them freebies and what not to push them there.. yes academic scholarship should be there double it for un privileged no problem..
I have not oppressed anyone. I am being oppressed. Paying heavy fees, no chance of getting seat's, 40% wala doctor ban gaya, hum compounder.
Exactly its collective punishment.. Literally whats illegal in even the UN
@@Sticklemakokeep crying... you're a minority and you're getting more seats than your population to fight.
That not 40%. Your calculations is wrong buddy. He got 40% despite less resources so in reality may be more than you. Dont be unnecessarily so smart about you. Educate more yourself
@@AjayKumar-uk4sp kuchh bhi. Kya resources kam pad gaye tum log ko?
70 sal se khun choos rahe. Resources sirf tumko kum padte hai? Nach na jane angnan tedha. Ambedkar london jake padha, hum zp ke schools me fir bhi sala opressed tum hi ho. Kamal hai
@@janbawaingade303 reservationka use hona kab shuru hua jaa kr dekh le...80s tak to 10% seats bhi nhi bhari jaati thi late 90s ke baad to OBC reservation theek se implement hua...aur itne me tera khoon chus gya
"Upper caste" men must realise we don't have the numbers. There is not going to be any merit based fair society when the lure of vote bank is so strong, in a vote based democracy.
Upper caste.. what is that.. dont u guys keep crying in comments of foreigners' videos.. that caste was introduced by british.. & u guys don't believe in higher or lower.. but at the same time ramayan & mahabharata has jaati discrimination mentioned in it.. why else would Lakshman give disgusted expressions when Shri Ram ate Shabari's joothi berries😂
what a clown you guys are.. ohh sorry upper caste clown 🤡. You guys even can't follow what our gods like Shri Ram & Shri Krishna tried to teach you.
That's right. The way I see it is its their(obc) country now, they would do whatever they want to with it. Its not my country anymore although all my ancestry has been from here. But I have to find a new home for myself and my children!
Lets be real all we can do is keep on hard work sharpen our skills till the level, where even if some moron with reservation gets the same table he'll feel the difference..
@@dhavaldhaval3377 How delusional can you be? In a kingdom of single eyed men, if you go around with two intact eyes, both your eyes will be taken away.
@@gradstudent584 yes but fighting with the two eyes intact is way more privilege for me rather than sacrifice one cz of fear. Or for settle the argument i can say we can pretend like them while havin full vision.
Giving Equal opportunity is different from trying to bring about equal outcomes
Do you suggest men and women should be given equal opportunity to participate in the same sports game? Without thinking dont start lecturing people. Because men and women are equal in modern concept
@@AjayKumar-uk4sp isnt that the reason we have men sport and women sport separated, because the difference is biologically stark and cannot be changed without your sex transformation, still your bones are of different sex...?
Reservation is literally pro equal opportunities you dummy🤣
@@AjayKumar-uk4sp and women don't get incentives in men's sport they have entire different segment cz of that.
@@AjayKumar-uk4sp why so bitter brother? also explain your argument a little more - it doesn't make any sense in relation to what she said
I belong from the south Of Bharat, I am from a caste called Nayaka, we are Kshatriyas and still have swords crafted, but fun fact in 1971 we got ST reservation, I cannot understand why, some say that some of our people were oppressed thus we got it, but I am preparing for NEET and want to get into a med college without using my caste certificate, people look me in a different sense when they got to know that I am ST and say I would get a medical College in 450 marks out of 720, but I don't want to use my caste certificate none of my family members have ever used it and still I see Twitter where people say don't go to reserved doctors, I feel real sad, I just want to be a doctor so that I help people and do good karmas get good punyas and die a good death, andha pushteni Paisa hai this was never about money, but still I feel really bad, what can I do ? Stop aspiring to be one? It's not my fault we have reservation, and I understand what General UC's go through its way to much hardwork to study efficiently than just swiping the caste certificate.
@LOKAYATA_ thank you brother
I will come to get treated and see if you are missing a limb or what. You can't be this pragmatic. Reserved catagory people, as a rule, aren't. Look at Manipur. It was a tribal warfare. But for what!! Reservation. That's what these leaders are trying to in mainland India.
@LOKAYATA_ Sooner or latter, most us are going to be where i am.
Very Noble thought brother.
@@insearchof9090 brother the issue of manipuri's is entirely different that what mine is, the fact is my family my bloodline never were oppressed, some people were oppressed and not well versed in Vedas and Dharmagranthas thus generalized the whole caste and they gave this reservation, I live by Manusmriti which was taught to me by my grandfather, I donot deserve this reservation nor my bloodline has traces of being tribal, I studied in Kendriya Vidyalaya and the whole fee I paid for the education from 1-12 is just 40 thousand while my friend who is UR paid more than that while his mother was working as a sub staff in the school, I didn't knew back then what was reservations but when I got to know I felt real bad, it isn't that I don't want to make money, it's just that koi bhi kaam karna he hai toh vaidya ka kaam toh sarvasreshth hai that's all and I won't use my caste certificate none of my family members have used it so I won't too
Anand sounds like a communist dressed as capitalist. It’s not private sectors job to care about social inequalities. That’s governments job. Government should be out of business too. That ofc if you were actually a capitalist
Sir in govt exam the registration fees were exempted for sc,st ,obc ,but not for ews .. its hilarious that the category made on basis of economic disparity is not qualified for economic support
Only SC St bro, no OBC
@@vksays4253OBC gets best of both World.. They claim arere cut off toh same rehta hai but but but... Unlimited attempts increased age limit... Lower sectional cut off.. M yeh sab conveniently bhool jaate hain... In our states people with 30 40 acres of land get obc n other reservation... For heaven's sake itne paise walon ko kaun oppress karta hai bhai... Strange
@@rss7184 agree, most reach families are in OBC category, which I too oppose
@@vksays4253 atlest you guys have honestly and look at outcomes in some case obc marrit goes highest
this is stupid right what the hell does he mean that private sector should be given choice .lets say a company comply with those rules and gets a 10% tax break that means that the companies will have a compatitave advantage over other companies and soner or later all the companies will start to give reservation
@LOKAYATA_ i think coperate tax should be extremely low at least in devloping and emerging markets but that should be for all the companies what i am against is reservations in private sectors i am from bihar a so called sc at that and i have seen what identity politics did to a state with so much potential
@LOKAYATA_ it didnt emancipated them. free market capitalism would have done much more and at a much greater scale
@LOKAYATA_ japan ,south korea and europe also had caste system just watch any video on european Feudalism in many parts of europe serfdom existed well into the 19th century but they overcame it by industrialization and free market capitalism
Reservation is fault line in Indian society.
If it continued it will cause one more break in country.
There is nothing like positive discrimination. Discrimination can only work if its on merit.
Equality of opportunity should be there. Equality for outcome breaks the country.
What Anand is calling as choice is compulsion put in by gov as profitability will compel the companies.
If reservation is correct, caste system is correct.
If caste system is wrong, reservations are wrong.
Exactly its just like the 'racist' and 'reverse racism' nonsense.. There is only racism
That is absolutely correct. The positive discrimination logic is non sense and people like ranganathan should not be parroting the political lines. No MP or minister speaks against reservations. Is it bcoz there are no cons of it?? Or is it bcoz they don't want to lose votes. Still nobody addresses this but only continue justifying the evil of reservation.
So what came first caste or reservation? Wish u had read anand lil bit more than just being blind anyways i expect nothing from the cult which anand was talking about
@@riberylegend2733
Do you think caste discrimination was correct?
Equating reservations and caste system is bullshit caste system created wide spread disparities on social economic capital land ritual status
Post independence congress gave 191 uppercaste chief minister out of 251 who were disinterested to solve upper caste had all the opportunities to solve but they were to petty to do so
Blame the countless uppercaste prime minsters finance minister home ministers who came to power and brought one bad policy after another solely due to them being on the better side of the disparities.Nehru Indira Rajiv were all against mandal while giving 3% hindu rate of growth
Remember fellow UCs, one guy in this panel has Canadian Wife(he can get Canadian citizenship) and another guy has ability to move out anywhere he wants.
people don't want to leave abroad anymore
not a big fan of kushal but he prefers to live in India
@@AdityaJape Who has Canadian wife in this panel 😮?
@@psychologylover9383 atheist rationalist kushal Mehra
@@Altman.sam1its better to go abroad and try to bring other gcs. A middle class private job holder general caste men are the oppressed class in india
Most of the poor people as claimed by Caste leaders are from Dalits. So what's the problem with income based reservations? The Dalit leaders say Reservation is not only for economic upliftment, but also to ensure proportional representation as per population share. So the argument of historical oppression is sidelined with demography wise representation which will eventually result into breeding competition sooner or later.
Historical reasons are flawed. Becouse you can't pin point the blame on us becouse we lost the rein of the rule in 1000Ad. Many so called enlightened empires came in between. From Mughals to British. If they are being exempted, why should I feel the pain!!! Hell yeh...I am against reservation on the basis of caste. Because we alone didn't take part in it. And people all over the world were living under same kind of oppression. Japan... china...Korea...England...Greece...Islamic world...USA in latter parts. Infact, caste system was not as bad as cutting the private parts and making eunach out of slaves as practised by enlightened Islamic rulers or mediaeval ages or British where the system of surf and menor was being practiced which was a hybrid of caste, bounded labour and slave.
In Japan or China or Korea, they had slaves and caste. Lower caste people had to wear pigtails on their fore head to tell others about their presence. How Many of these nations are giving reservation like India does!! None. Only USA gives reservation to first nation, that too in professions like owning a gambling business in some states.
These guys are out of their mind.
Way easy to fake income certificate, jitna Banda powerful utna uske liye aur easy aur majority powerful log either General me hai ya toh yadav Jatt Gujjar hai baki sab ke paas nahi hai.
Mere khud dost log general wale fake banwa rahe income certificate kuch Obc bhi Cause obc me bss NCL ko milta hai aur Ek Banda tha usne somehow caste hi dusri banwa liya. I mean unjustly mere samne hi 8-10 log reservation ka use kr rahe From Obc And general both. Yeh cheez bhi toh dekhne wali hai.
toh caste certificate bhi forge kiya ja skta hai. Also, ancestral records ko bhi manipulate kiya ja skta hai, so there must be a loophole for everything @@humanityisdoomed
@@user-uj5pf4cc3wno uc will ever fake their caste.
@@user-uj5pf4cc3w yupp ek bandi thi usne apna surname hi hatwa diya somehow aur reservation use kar rahi she was a singh
I voted for BJP but as Mr. Anand sayid I won’t if they do increase reservations or bring it in private sector.
Yeah, we should all think like this. We did not vote bjp just so they could increase reservation. That is not their manifesto. 😢
Same here
We voted for bjp only bcoz we know the other side is definitely going to increase reservation that too without any upper limit. Its just choosing the lesser of the two evils!
Who else can we vote for, there’s literally no option
If you do not have a lower caste certificate then your vote does not even matter. In a democracy numbers matter. General category are minority by sheer numbers. Why would a politician make policy to appease a minority? He won't have any use for your votes.
Reservation if needed it should be based on financies of the individual not at entry level
Tb sbse jyada bhasad machegi mere ek dost ki maa sarpanch hai fir bhi uske paas ews certificate hai itna easy hai financially reservation dena caste certificate ke liye at least 80 yrs tk ka proof lgta hai
Private sector reservation will end up same as public sector. Will rot into another DEI as government wades oninto private business. If an person from x community is discriminated by someone else then it is not MY moral responsibility, it may be yours. It is your personal responsibility not mine. Hence do not use my tax money to fund any caste based reservations. If you want such things then pay extra tax and extra fees to fund privately.
Reservations are another way to transfer the guilt of some of the upper caste to their new generation. This transfer of guilt is why Anand was against Yogiji bulldozer policy. I dunno why the non-left turns out to be all loony when it comes to reservations. Such a shame!
These guys are turning out ti be hypocrites
@@koushikvemuri3130 watch his previous podcast with that professor and you'll see how irrational his arguments are.
I love to see Bamans crying
People who belong to SC/ST but still perform well and get admission on merit will still get abused becaused he belongs to SC/ST
One of the best podcasts. The last debate btw u two was better than all the rest.
shouldn't there be a plan to reduce reservations to 0 eventually. keep reducing 5% every 5 years.
We should atleast start it in 125th year of independence and end it by 150th year of independence..
Shouldn't there be a plan to reduce caste based disparities landless ness informal jobs and dilute caste based Hindu identity to zero eventually ,keep reducing 5% every 5 year
That's where you guys don't know the reality of the situation. In every 25 years, reservation is increased by 25%. This time, Bihar has 75%already. Southern States are going to follow the suit.
56:44 How we are going to reach 10 trillion economy when state is spending money on subsidies like a hell !!!!
Reservation in private is total BS.
Moral obligation to reservation should only be talked by those who are willing to suffer as a consequence of it. People who can fly in airplane or with NRI status should not.
यहां लोग प्रश्न पिरित माता को बच्चे देना है या नही है बता रहें हैं, वो लोग जो प्रश्न की पीरा क्या होती है उन्हे पता ही नही।
These guys are so out of touch that they don't know that most of the people taking advantage of sc/st reservation are far more rich and affluent and aren't ready to vacate the place for other groups in same catagory who were late to take advantage of it and hence, they are prolonging the gripe.
Only a mad man shall want to continue the reservation in such circumstances. It's a challenge that even after 1000 years of reservation, there will be ST/SC people in this nation. Becouse current system doesn't have internal dynamics. Who has to be in, who should leave, what should be chriteria... nothing.
आप रिजर्व केटेगरी के हो। आप इस जमाने के ब्राह्मण हो। अगर ऐसा करना है तो उन्हें ये भी समझा दो की उनके साथ भी वही होगा जो आज ब्राह्मण के साथ हो रहा। आप फिर से वहीं रोना रोएंगे । पर इस बार लोग आपको २१ सेंचुरी के ब्राह्मण मानकर परेशान करेंगे और आपके पास बोलने के लिए कुछ नहीं होगा।
No Muslim accepts ayodhya judgement, they say openly we are waiting for our time... So you are quite wrong on that part
Right wing becomes joke nowadays 😅
Domains like R&D, ISRO scientist etc should be based on Merit not social justice.
I have no problem with reservation as long as it covers all the people. That kind of reservation is only with economic reservation. People should not be thrown to creamy layers but into economically weaker section and/or out.
And no reservation should have any kind of hold on anyone's ability to seek justice.
it cannot be an economic reservation boss. Then why people want to be rich and productive. It is like saying you should give reservation for student with less marks
@@AjayKumar-uk4sp it has to be economic reservation, if there has to be any. Why? Because 1) not everyone wants to live on bare minimum.
2) anyone can be poor. You earned 5crore. Your son had fatal disease. You spent all of it. Now you are on road. This reservation will help you than.
3) just like insurance schemes, you will know that even though something unfortunate happens, I am here or gone, tried to do business but fell on face, at the end of the day, i shall have the grace of one policy that will help my children to come to their feets once again and give a start.
Not every one wants to eat until there is nothing to eat and then goes to work. Look around you with unbiased eyes and see how many of them fit your judgement.
Both of you guys always a delight to listen to you 😊🤗
I was born in "upper caste" and married into OBC and then realised how much casteism still exists. Till then, I always thought casteism is over in India.
Wat u call casteism is tribalism. Google this term first
It is great that you have started discussions on a sensitive topic like reservations!
My take is...with about 70% belonging to reserved category we don't need to bother about whether reservations..becoz every govt will push as much as viable!
What rational thinking intellectuals like you must brainstorm is how to withdraw it in phased manner, give it only to economically weak!
Such an insightful conversation guys. Keep it up.
Positive Discrimination is an Oxymoron. No such thing exists.
One feedback.. Kushal and Anand was there a discussion here between someone who doesn't want reservation and someone who wants it or was it both who wanted reservation just different extents and structures of it.. How many podcasts even have this discussion on the non left? Then your argument would be consistent.
Bjp also overturnen the sc st act part that was stuck down by supreme court.
6:36 SIR SECRET OF HOW HE HAS NEVER LOST IN A DEBATE . I got the recipe man , now gonna apply this and let's see what happens
A very Insightful Discussion
I think I’ve heard enough, while I have the sympathies with the SC and ST I don’t agree with the inequality that a person from General category has to suffer. Why should a general category person should suffer because of the lack of ineffectiveness of the government in emancipating the SC/ST classes.
A general category person gave up in being a doctor, aiming to be a government official of any sort and now we have to be even give up on the private sector.
I would rather move to another country and escape this inequality.
Kushal and Anand are far removed from the reality of a middle class or lower middle class person in India.
Nobody is stopping you from leaving the country
@@gagadonim3354 I've already left the country. It's been 5 years since I set foot in India.
See reservation are not going anywhere so UC should work hard and settle outside India
The argument of Anand boils down to: “Oppressed for 2000 years henceforth reservations everywhere!”
Jews have been historically the most persecuted community in the West, due to the charges of their hands in the murder of Jesus Christ. They have undergone many exoduses and genocides, they are a small minority in the world and they have suffered arguably the worst of all: holocaust by the hands of the racist regime of Hitler. Even after all such suffering, they have been largely a successful community, producing giants like Einstein and Zuckerberg who shaped the world in their own ways. They have never been demanding of affirmative action in the countries they reside. Not even in India where they are in so few a number and a community living on their own.
We cant draw parallels here....jews never asked for affirmative action bcoz they already carved out their own country, governed by their own rules & dominated by their own community...so why do they need reservations in a country ruled by them?
Second, jews neither faced persecution nor faced any kind of discrimination in India as this was one of the rarest, safest & tolerant places for jews compared to any other part of the world...
@@prithvivasudevamenon1040 Even after facing the worst of holocaust, they were able to make a nation for themselves and defend it against the aggressors. What does it tell you about them? To add, they had been terribly oppressed by Western countries, and still they were and are economically successfull in those countries as well.
@@prithvivasudevamenon1040 Most of the poor people as claimed by Caste leaders are from Dalits. So what's the problem with income based reservations? The Dalit leaders say Reservation is not only for economic upliftment, but also to ensure proportional representation as per population share. So the argument of historical oppression is sidelined with demography wise representation which will result into breeding competition sooner or later.
@@edmundburke9477 Germany to give $1.4 billion to Holocaust survivors globally in 2024.
@@edmundburke9477you cannot deny holocaust, and so on
just a question; what about creamy layer in OBC class does the politician also get save from that also?
50% Limit must be sealed by the supreme court, else we will have lot of caste fricition and lowered quality delivery of government services and scapegoating in society, no amount of economic growth will be able to undo this toxicity.
Even if sealed, government can easily breach that seal by using parliament.
Sc st and obc s are less organized more landless than the uppercaste who sit on most decision making positions in government making one bad policy after another,there was always friction .
@@rk-is3cwEWS has already break it
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Kushal, I agree with your views on every caste allowed as Poojaris. But I have to ask your views on 2 areas.
1. What about Tantris, who is the family that has done the Pran Pratishta of the temple. That is usually a hereditary position. Though they don't come daily to the Temple, they hold a 'big say' in the temple matters and are highly regarded to the extent they are considered the Father of the deity.
2. What about the Temples whose existential legend is based on a family like the Naga Temples in Kerala whose legend itself is Nagaraja being born in the family and it is always the oldest woman of the family that is the Poojarini and considered Mother of the deity.
Oh poor Anand to save his audiences he has to put clarification. Please be brave enough to say what you really believe. You are a good man just keep wit it.
Good podcast...
Both kushal and Anand r rich and wealthy who can send their kids abroad. It's us poor general category who will suffer. 😢😢😢😢😢
Say whatever you want, but reservations or "positive discrimination 🤡" has no place in a civilized society!
But then, can we call ourselves "civilized" I don't know, debatable topic tbh
Thank you Anand Raganathan for Supporting - "Jitni Abadi Utna Haq" ✊
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Hi Kushal, my take on reservation would be that it should be replaced by income standards rather than caste because there are poor people who need reservation but are obc & general category also and this income standard would be measture to understand how it is working and it's effectiveness.
I hear a narative that.its brhaminism vrs dalits all the time ..no one has ever defined what is brhamanism .
Is it a camouflage so that they are not seen as hinduphobic.or is it something more sinster than that.
Some more on why shudras were provided with education in pre-colonial era :
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Let's be honest we don't have reservations. What we have is blood libel.
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True. There is only left and extreme left
@@ss00731this is the logical right not stupid trollers on twitter
@@NTIS-DHARMIKthis is stupid right what the hell does he mean that private sector should be given choice .lets say a company comply with those rules and gets a 10% tax break that means that the companies will have a compatitave advantage over other companies and soner or later all the companies will start to give reservation
@@NTIS-DHARMIKLogical right who want reservations in the Private sector?
They are as much "logical right wing" as much as a certain community is "peaceful"
3 gens is approx 100 years!! No way! No caste reservation. Financial status and rural population based reservation are the only needs.
100 years vs unlimited? 100 is better
It's always pleasure to listen Anand sir
Where is the clip shared by his friend?
Reservations will die a natural death when Our economy becomes less dependent on Government jobs and more focused on private sector. It will happen naturally with time. And because We are a democratic Nation, Instead of a top down approach This will happen with a bottom up approach.
I have one solution. Think about it. While giving reservation, the choice should be given to a child to either chose his mothers or fathers caste. It will bring a boost in intercaste marriages. This will end patriarchy and casteism both.
intercaste marriage is disgusting. either you're an ambedkarite or islamist.
We don't want your sympathy... we want our rights
@noneoftheabove666 Hello Anonymous Troller, Education and work oppurtunities
@@noneoftheabove666 40% wala can get admission, 70% wala doesn't. Job, Promotion. Bhai reservation ka MATLAB hi discrimination hai
@@maitri98Every Indian wants these not just you.
@@janbawaingade303 Wahi toh pooch Raha iss aunty se
First time i am seeing rangnathan sir confused, far away from reality. I am discriminated but i don't mind it ka matlab kya hai bhai?
And what if i am not ok with any type of discrimination.
Another 70 years of Reservation lol . Talented People will migrate for sure.
As they should
This is also difficult for middle class
True That
Suggestion: I was here just to hear about your Dr. Ranganathan's views on reservations, and do not know anything about a controversy that happened. Would be great if you could breifly talk about those controversies if and when they happen in a podcast discussion on the controversy in question.
Jai Reservistaan, India is a country for reserved
Not For Deserved
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Who decided that the compensation should be in the form it is?
I suggest make different schools with reserved teachers, different hospital for reservation beneficiary doctors. Why to mix them with those who oppressed them for 5000 years.
Congress gave 191 upper caste chief minister ,must have been the most meritocratic organisation that produced highest economic growth.
191 upper caste vs 43 obc only
Go and find the number of chief ministers chief secretaries and judges and how many have been obc sc st .All the worst policy makers and decision makers at the top have been white washed and only entry level reserved category students have been taken into discussion.
Giving incentives and nudges in itself is the deciding motivator. Its not a choice if its discriminatory in any sense.
The amusing thing is American got rid of Affirmative Action stating it bred more inequality whilst India continues Reservation. The whole issue stems from not knowing the difference between smriti and shruti texts. Smriti reflects the opinions of people who wrote it and basically twitter comments of yesteryear. We don't know whether people agreed with it, disagreed with it, nothing. We just know it reflects the ideas of the person who wrote it. Smriti is categorized as literature and essentially opinion pieces with bias. On the other hand, shruti is scripture & consists of The Vedas. Shruti is considered the word of Brahman (God) and hence studied and the foundation of the faith. People stating Hinduism propogates caste are ignorant. Using cultural literature ie. Smriti, such as Ramayana, Gita, Mahabharata, the infamous Manusmriti, sutras, puranas, etc to inform you of religion and tenets of Hinduism vs shruti texts (ie. VEDAS & some Upanishads) is ridiculous. There definitely were people who called themselves Hindus who propagated ideas of profession hierarchy. However, does HinduISM propagate these ideas? No.
As per the stats the General category is in the minority and these reservations are discriminated against this minority.
These reservations are a slippery slope, starving this General category minority is will only result in this minority feeling resentment towards the Indian society and the reservation category.
The point is Reservation are just increasing and not reducing.. how is this benefiting us.. reason the Deserved class leaves the country and we suffer from brain drain
I taught scientists have brain and anad ranganathan proved it otherwise.
1. How the hell is it a choice when you give tax benefits to companies which hire people based on castes.
Sooner or later all companies will choose it, as AI is coming even more will choose it.
You are just using the word CHOICE in place of COMPULSION
2. have some sense , even nursery kids know the meaning of TARGETED AND TIME-BOUND in indian context. The same TIME-BOUND prolanged it by 45 years saying xyz reasons. The TIME-BOUND will become infinite because why hell any one loose free previlage they are getting. Why does politicians loose their vote bank. They will again extend it by saying xyz reasons. No one in this fucking earth will accept im socially forward and loses their previlage.
3. You are just making general category people as jews and you are taking the place of arabs.
4. How on earth does general category people live in a country. On another hand you remove brhamins from temples and points people from back ward classes by saying any one with knowledge is a Brahmin and on other hand you don't want them to work in either pvt sector by competing on merit level.
4. speaking all these points after financially and socially fair enough and almost nearing retirement.
5. How the hell on earth does general category male live in tjis country,
a. Higher taxes
b. tax distribution by govt in the form of freebies
c. gener biased laws
d. reservations in govt sector, women only drives by pvt sector
e. On top of that we need to bear charges of women in buses, need to pay money again for roads at toll gates.
Now this man advocating reservation in pvt sector.
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I wonder how many of the new generation from Post 90s. From General category have kids. People will really get frustrated in 2035-2050 for their kids future.
Also sir, PLEASE READ THIS, (also read my first comment) I'm a Goan in my mid 30's and almost 9 and half of my 10 friends are married into inter caste, inter religious marriages. We have an extremely liberal society where caste discrimination is negligent then why are reservation required here? Don't you think reservations should be cut off atleast from places like these or atleast changed to financial reservations?
Respect button for those who abused this supporter of reservation🙏
Sir aap sakshi Malik Kai retirement pr kya khna hai apka
Ya very enjoyable
So, the Supreme Court should take political decisions that the government wouldn't? That's not their remit. We should actually be holding people accountable for delivering on their roles than on filling up for someone else. And by the way, the Supreme Court also jealously guards its public perception (not too different from politicians in this way). That's why it would not decide on the validity of farm laws which was a fairly direct legal issue.
Kushal was like a deer caught in the headlights when AR said he isn’t a hard atheist like Kushal 😁
Think if u want to have a surgery would u prefer surgeon who became due to reservation or u want the merit best. Would u want to fly a plane by a reserved based pilot or merit based pilot.
The people who say Lc's got discriminated in last 2k years and that's why we need reservation are plainly wrong and you are also insulting them by saying that as anyone would think if there is so much discrimination as people say then why there is no revolt in ancient India by lower caste against uc's.. When you say they are discriminated against education no you are wrong no one was discriminated against when it comes to normal education they were discriminated against in learning of vedas and temple rituals and some other texts only these were reserved we can see from Dharampal book the beautiful tree that even lower caste were learning in gurukuls in 1820 's across India. Lower caste where doing there business/work without any interference from other communities. All communities has set of rules which were set by their community itself for their work and even kings would not interfere in those rules. When they say Lower caste were not allowed in temple it is not the complete truth as yes there are temple which didn't allow Lower caste but there are some temples where they can go without any problems and some temples are community specific and it is true when they say lcs are not allowed in upper caste areas and but when they say they had no water to drink it is wrong as they would have their basic facilities in the areas they live. There was some social distance but there is no economic distance and temples are built by cooperation of various jatis not just one . Lower caste lost most of their land and wealth during the British and to some extent during Muslim rule. Also from 11th-century Inscription found in Nizamabad reveals land grant to temple & mentions 20-30 caste professions serving the God. If only one group is allowed in all temples these things would not be there.. I don't know how these people say ucs discriminated against tribals when tribals by choice choose to live in forest I wonder why ucs would take so much effort just to go into deep forest and bully them will tribals allow such bullying is another question 😂 when in fact kings had good relations with tribal chiefs tribals and people who are living outside had mutually beneficial relationship.
Lower caste can achieve the necessary representation without need for reservation if you say they can't achieve that without reservation is plainly casteist and racist way of saying they less than others ...
we need million of genetic test of both reserved and unreserved category to find out the true extent of discrimination.
If inter caste marriage was allowed in past then there was less chance of discrimination.
I believe there was discrimination but in what period and for how long ? we should find out that.
so i don't think 2000 year is right period hence genetic testing.
@@aakashkrsinh genetics show endogamy was practiced by everyone in 6th century...
@@adithyaadi1363 the sample size is too low 800 sample size is too low for any conclusion,
The only way to dilute reservation is to build a large network of schools where the free/subsidised primary education given is of higher quality and the infrastructure is good with highly qualified teachers. Reduce the knowledge gap that exists between students of different boards so that they can find their ways into better colleges and eventually good jobs too.
Push the rest into labour intensive manufacturing. We will get there on the manufacturing side....but education has a long way to go.
Quality is based on iq.
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I think anand feels that moral obligation should be for Sc St even in private sector. Let others die.
In the mean time, for last 1000 years and after independence, rest of use are living in hell.
Hence, i don't see myself obliged to do what anand wants to show us.
Reservation in India was in the first place like choosing amongst beggers that who shall have extra chapati. It wasn't like western nation from where this concept has been taken. It's not like America where white people have accumulated so much wealth and blacks live on tatters. The muslim ruke and British rule last for 1000 years. And after independence, there were only beggers in India, beggers of upper and lower caste. Rich got into politics and formed political houses. Many fled to outside nations where they are fighting caste bill by equality labs, but in India, they will preach.
Meanwhile mediaeval oppressor fled to Pakistan, modern oppressors fled to UK. But i will have to pay for the injustice done in 500Ad and after. How are you sure that i wasn't a low caste than and over the years we climbed the social ladder only to end up oppressed by the time we reached supposed good times.
These are same very people who are opposed to caste bill by equality labs in USA or canada. Why? Because then, their sons will have to suffer naa. Here they will preach us about obligation. But in USA, they will oppose.
मैं तो अब चकित भी नही होता हूं। क्योंकि मुझे, इन लोगो की मक्कारी साफ चेहरे पे दिख जाती है।
Be it Mughals or Britishers never touched the religious matters of Hindu society so the society is functioning as it is like 1000 years ago. So if you are UC now so you were oppressor 1000 years ago. Anyways today 90% of wealth and land is controlled by UCs. Don't know what is the fuss about
@@gagadonim3354you are illiterate. Muslims used you as 5th class even if you covered to Islam. They called you pashmanda.
And British. They actually are father of your caste, becouse they found it. Caste isn't an Indian word. If British were not interfering, how come sati pratha and child marriage stopped. Similarly, they were dividing society on the basis of caste, but upholding it. There is serious data that caste divide became even more rigid under British, becouse now they were the top caste and they can enjoy such privilege only if the uphold the system.
And i did nothing. If you think I deed something to you 500AD back then come and avenge yourself. You will get a good lesson of life. I like many millions are opposing to what you have to say. We don't belive it and we shall stop the system and we shall take care of people like you. तुम कुछ नही उखारोगे।
Jai ho 🙏
- Atrocities.
Most of current generation did not believe in such crap, but look at other side how the make false case.. how they do the shit they do and getvaway with it in name of "atrocities" holding victim card in hand.
- If i run organization why should i consider certen class?
Where both profit and loss is held by owner and not on state why they should say us whome to hire and whome to promote just make shore business is done through fair practice.
- moral obligation?
What moral obligation i never seen my grand parents doing discrimination nor they said thier grand prants did it.. fringe are on the both side its just one side has more political attention.
-Views on cast
Views on cast are very frikin personal if i don't wanna eat with certen class i don't. If i don't want them in kitchen i will not alow why should i. But i should not humiliate anyone cz of my view.. if i want to live certen way fundamental rights allows that.. it doesn't mean i should be discriminated cz of that.
- Positive discrimination?
How a discrimination and positive goes together .. discrimination is discrimination.. dalit also discriminate upper class. But we don't take that in note, just see those jay bheem kabutar if can't see it happening.
-39:00 why marrit in highly specialization required field?
If you don't allow delete on top notch spectrum how they will grow let them learn even if slow down or frikin crash your organization let them be its your "moral obligation".
-Tax on genral
Why genral should pay direct tax when the state believes in discrimination.. and why lower class should not pay extra to welfare of there fellow delets
-Dalit as mandir administrator
It requires ethical training and discipline inkev dimag se propaganda nikle to bne i have proof they don'tstudy even if they enter such facility.. all they do is jay beem jay beem.
In conclusion if certen part of socity is on the lower spectrum of the class, that socity/class has to do internal reforms first and then get on ground hand to hand..
Din ka 1,000 kama kr agar uska daru pi jaoge to uska zimmedar jo menat kr k kmata hai or bachat krta hai vo nahi..
This entire country is becoming a shithole like bihar. Nehru was only PM who suppported meritocracy.
Drawing an equivalence between something as serious as caste issue and gaali on twitter is a ridiculous point made by kushal to justify deplatforming. Not Convinced
Bhai.. SC ST ka dukh dard vhi smjh skta hai. Jo isse belong krta hai...
Reservation lelo to discrimination ...
Aur agar na lo... To caste ke naam par galliyan still sunne ko milti hi hai..
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Bas ek hi solution hai. Ya to conversion ya migrate from india...
Lekin ye so called upper caste log smjh hi nhi paate ... Ki saara generational wealth, social capital.. sab unhi ke pass..
SC ST .. ko last 70 saal mein hi mila hai thoda bohot vo bhi government ki wajah se... 😢 Ya DR. AMBEDKAR ne hum logon ko education ki taraf push kra... Else humara abhi tak bhi koi wajood nhi hai.. main stream mein...
Unsubscribed....i can now understand Anand's point. But Kushal is the definition of elite mentality. Shame on you, I am ashamed of wasting so many hours listening to you.
My batch of mbbs in gujarat lost 6 months in 1982 due to our Anti Reservation stir ..apart from my children suffered due to it later .Today i saw BR Ambedkar s bust at Debois Umass library Massachusetts usa..Grand children of reserved category officials drs rich cream top wealthy get reservations even today .Promotion in jobs and Highest Education seats Md ms phd post graduation is gross injustice.
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Do that! All I want is that, nothing else. Please do that ❤
The last section after the discussion was the most interesting. 😂
Kushal and Anand trying to blow each others opinions lol
What if People start forcing businesses to employees SC and ST. And boycott them if they don't follow.
But Our belief is nobody should get reservations because it pins the hindu society one against another.