How to Create and Perform Your Own Vocal Effects
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- čas přidán 6. 11. 2017
- Vocal effects are often done with plug ins in the DAW, but what if you could use the guitar pedals that you have to create your own unique vocal reverb or effect?
The featured track was 'Private Moon' by Carroll, see it here: • Carroll - Recording 'P...
For this episode, I went to Miner Street, home of Weathervane Music and the Shaking Through music series to talk with Brian McTear about creating a unique vocal effect that is a part of the inspiration of the recording day.
It is important for inspiration to stay in tact with the music, and using a vocal reverb long after the musicians have left the studio may not have the same impact as creating a reverb or effect on the day. Group participation is key, and when you create an effect using pedals that the musicians bring in that day, then it will always be a unique sound.
The crew at Weathervane Music create and perform their own vocal effects all the time, and it's a way that they can make each session unique to them and the artists they record.
The vocal effect starts out by using a reamp device, such as a reamp box or a rack mount reamp box. Then the signal goes into the Roland Space Echo, and then into a series of pedals such as delays, chorus, and tremolo. The tremolo is a stereo pedal that feeds left and right channels out to a pair of amps in the live room. The amps are set with the built in spring reverb all the way up, and volume at a medium low volume. These amps are recorded with a pair of ELA M 260 SDC microphones. The microphones go into a preamp, and back into the recording DAW.
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This guy is so awesomely passionate he is a legend.
I'd book a session and pay the hourly tracking rate just to get baked with this dude and sit there in the control room inventing crazy new guitar pedal effects on ambient vocals about the moon.
Brians such a great dude to hang with. He's in Philly...
I can't remember who (name slips my mind) but he is like a far less annoying version of one of the old SNL comics......what the hell was that guy's name?
DAVID SPADE!!!!!
Dana Carvey?
I knew someone would think that it was Dana Carvey, but I was actually thinking of David Spade, like back in the 80's and early 90's when he was much skinnier and had that mustache, and every character he played was either a weird villain or an annoying clerk at a video store or something, and his eyes were bigger and more pronounced..... Yeah, I am pretty sure it was David Spade.
When did tony hawk open a studio?
came to the comments just to find this.
hahahahaha you funny fucker))
That's Gupi's studio, I guess:^)
I've recently recorded a singer that I've put in the live room, singing in a SM57 plugged into a Memory Boy into a distorted Hot Rod to get some angry psychedelic echoes. Worked amazingly great and the singer loved it.
Also recorded two takes each time so we could pan them L-R, real psychedelic stuff. :)
Yep... running a pedal effect twice breaks the center image for a clearer, less dense effect and stereo image. Good intuition!
Can we hear it?
Sounds great I'd love to hear that man
Bro, I really appreciate the thoughtful way you approach recording. It has really helped me with my own recording processes and techniques.
Also Brian was really cool. Just seeing how his brain works and his idea that the effects can be a part of the PERFORMANCE is something I never really thought of before.
KEEP IT UP !!
I like the idea of using guitar pedals for vocal effects because I am too cheap to buy expensive plug-ins, tbh. McTear is business smart, too. He’s right in stating that plug-ins have no resale value compared to demand for pedals.
And they don't eventually stop working when the manufacturer stops supporting an old version. You buy a plugin and you're pretty much obligated to buying upgrades from that point forward. Pedals aren't that way. They work forever (or until something breaks... but look at our collection. Much of what's there is older than Matt Poirier!
Savoir Faire having limitations breeds creativity and plus you won't sound like everyone else. If it sounds good then it doesn't matter. You have any recordings?
Bo88y Beretta
*Your comment is a non-sequitur. The logic does not follow. But your point is noted. The “audio first” ideologues don’t always take business and practicality into account. If an expensive digital plug-in costs more than a boutique pedal and the musician is noosed into being tied to particular hardware (like UAD), then I have to wonder about the real value.*
I can get this effect with free vsts in audacity.
Been waiting for this EXACT video for a long time. Thanks Ryan and Brian!
I have several Playlists with nothing but creative sound lab. I like to get stoned and binge watch them. This is by far the greatest CZcams channel featuring tips on recording. I can't begin to explain how much these videos helped me. They also taught me to think outside of the box more.
Great video, Ryan!
Brian McTear is the very definition of "Thinking outside the box"!!
I've been a big fan of Weathervane Music for some time. Love what they're doing.
i love this episode!!!!
really great episode.
THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL
This is the best video yet. LOVE it. Need more of this. More outboard stuff. More analog stuff.
Thanks man! I'll keep going in this direction for sure!
This is going on my production techniques playlist
Absolutely love this kind of stuff - great video
Brilliant video man. You have such a great channel. Thanks so much!
Wow mans ...
Really great, so warm and beautiful sound, and very cool track!
Brilliant work!
Of course like, thanks for this video, guys!
Man i love this channel, this is just i was looking up now.
That was amazing.
ONE WORD AWESOME! KEEP IT UP!
Absolutely fantastic episode! Thank you!
Thanks Carl!
Brian is the man!
I wish i had all those pedals! What i wonderful way to work!
I’ve noticed from a lot of live limp bizkit performances from the early 00’s that Fred would hit something like a reverb pedal before belting screams and it gave such neat color to it. It’s flairs & accents like that people miss about bizkit.
You're unique. I hardly see good videos about using guitar pedals as outboard FX. I have a lot of pedals, and hope to incorporate them in to my own music. I like your enthusiasm. You where clearly enjoying taking it all in. As well as just being yourself, and not getting animated for the camera. I hope to see more in the future!
Yep more on the way!
Really cool video dude, that seems like a lot of fun !
Thanks man!
AWESOME
Cool!
Brian is amazing. I was fortunate enough to attend a workshop at Miner Street earlier this year, and I learned more from him in one day than I have in years on my own. It's so cool to see you teaming up with him on your content.
Man, would love to attend one of those workshops.
Creative Sound Lab you should! They do one every couple of months. It would be cool to run into you at one. 😊
Great vid as always
:)
Thanks!
Yp thank you so much I have been wanting to do this for so long. I WOULD LIKE MORE DETAIL O THE SET UP FOR THIS METGOD PLEASE.
This is great! I’ve watched a bunch of the tracking and mixing day Weathervane videos and I’ve always loved their approach to reverbs. Re: pedals, I have an old Boss Blues Driver I modded that’s the most amazing mono drum crush effect I’ve ever heard. And I have no recollection of what mods I did! I also love putting it after a TC Hall of Fame + MXR Micro Chorus for crazy distorted swishy reverbs. So many possibilities with pedals! Thanks for the vid :)
I remember the red dynacomp sounded amazing with a mono drum overhead. I know Brian is building a rack that will just be a mutlilevel pedal table for tinkering with sounds.
Love the dyna comp for stuff like that. Vocals sound really cool through it too! Oh sweet, would love to see that - sounds like a lot of fun! I know Vance Powell has that velcro rack thing that he just sticks a bunch of pedals on to mix and match. Very inspiring :)
good to see the live bands catching up to the dance producers we have been using these methods for ages
The real miracle? Vintage Deluxe Memory Man, Poly Chorus and a Mu-Tron Phasor and they all work correctly. That is *TRULY* a miracle. I bought SOOOO many Poly Chorus/Echo Flangers and not a one worked right. I finally gave up.
Nice! I have that tremolo/pan pedal. 😊
I often use overdrive/distortion pedals on vocals :) Love it, great video once again!
Which pedal would you propose for a light vocal-overdrive?
Tube screamer could work well . They can be more subtle
The reason old pedals aren't used as outboard equipment for vocals is they are analog-noisy, especially at the high end. You are using them at the limit of acceptable noise, by essentially low pass filtering and keeping the volume down. The (digital) Empress by Zoia can concatenate such effects w/o the noise issue.
And the sound of analog stuff is still just more musical. I'm using more and more real stuff and less and less plugins. Thanks for this awesome channel.
How do you do it? I want to use my guitar pedals as well but don't know how to plug them to my interface in order to use it with my tracks.
WOW
I love playing with tape delay especially with phase shift
So nyc
amazing that's cool ... I'm ALSO doing this since 1996 ... great thing
Hi dear. Would you recommend me a guitar compressor pedal on vocals please?
@@rodrigomartins9692 I USE now Volt 476 USB-C Audio Interface with 76 compressor With the UAD -SD-1 mic and hemisphere Plugin.! or >Walrus Audio Canvas Re-Amp |||| OR Boss sd-1Super overdrive od and I discovered a very cheap pedal Mosky D250X Mini Overdrive Preamp or>>>> I connect the mic direct to the interface...
or Klark Teknik PRO DI ACTIVE DI 10A Active DI Box
So cool! Will delete all my plug-ins now!... And then spend thousands on hardwares? That's a dream come true.
Btw, you have great videos and you just earned yourself a subscriber! Keep up the great work, man!
Hi, great video thanks and for the tips. How do I route my pedals into Ableton via my interface to record them on my vocals? I can't figure it out
To replicate something like this live and wanting to split the two amps- would you suggest an ABY, a 2:1, something you can blend with?
Nice I’ve been doing this since 1464
Hi I'm recently starting recording, straight from a SM58 into a focusrite Scarlett, am I able to just put my guitar pedals into that chain before going into the audio interface?
how would i do this at a show live and avoid a crazy amount of feedback?
Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois would be proud.
Cool Video! Just purchased the Radial EXTC Reamp can I Re-amp my vocal tracks with just this my Apollo twin and some pedals or do I need a guitar amp to make this all work ?
Is there a way to connect a shure sm58 to a regular guitar pedal and add effects? I bought a low z to high z adaptor, but there is still a lot of feedback when I try to record. I am quickly learning that I will actually need a preamp from the mic then to the low to high z adaptor. Should I get a di box from the pedal to the tascam dr40x that I am recording onto? The recorder does have an xlr/1/4" combo jack, but I am trying to make sure I have the signals correct to reduce as much buzz as possible.
This is toooo fucking cool
i was wondering if all these pedal switch can be use for vocal, and it'll be a lot cheaper then a rack mount ,thanks
let me know how your doing as im now constructing the same build. memory man poly chorus and space echo with a c1 hardtune and and a compressor pedal
Is there a way to mix the dry and wet vocals , short of using 2 mics
Cool sounds!
Anyone know which model that RTR in the background is?
Tascam BR-20. That's our stereo tape delay machine... at least that's all we use it for. Delays and tape flange. That's one of 5 or so tape machines we have. I love tape machines!
Years ago I got rid of my MuTron phaser ...and have regretted it ever since.
Nice video, thank you!
Which pedal would you propose for a light vocal-overdrive?
I've just tried the BD-2 Blues Driver Boss, but I'm not convinced yet.
Amy suggestions?
JHS Colour Box
Is there a way to use a guitar amp and hook up a mic and record the amp into an interface and use its tube sounds to fatten up the vocal performance as you record?
I’m a guitarist and songwriter and am looking into recording my stuff. I can def get a round fat tone with my amps clean so I wonder If I can add weight to the vocal.
Also I was a bit confused he played the sound through the guitar speaker and recorded the speaker playing the sound?
Amazing vid thanks Ryan! Is Brian taking a mono signal out of Pro Tools originally and then turning into a stereo signal via the Tremelo pedal?
Amazing thanks, I just managed to grab one from Ebay for £50, early Xmas pressie for me! :) Thanks Ryan
now this is right up my fucking street!!! thaaaaanks ryan!!!
Right on man!
Great video! This is actually what I'm planning to do this week. I've got a question on the signal side of this: would you need a re-amp box if you don't use an (guitar) amp? For example, live engineers use guitar pedals a lot of the time and they would go: aux out (after pre amp) in to the pedal and then back into a line input. The same could be done with an audio interface. Could pedals get damaged if you feed them a signal that's too hot?
BTW: awesome song!!
Yes you do, because guitar pedals are expecting the high impedance input of an electric guitar.
Yeah, that's what I always thought, but good to be reinsured!
i tried singing through a compression pedal to no avail
I'm here because the band avvays also uses pedals to vocals
Is there a way to do this in a live setting?
Mic > Reamp box > Pedals > DI box > PA possibly?
I have to use a D.I. in order to use the memory man for voice?
Yeah, you can always experiment and see if doing directly in via an out on your interface would work. But using a reamp box to go out, and then a DI to go back in, is technically the "Right " way to do it. If it's a messed up crazy effect, then it might not matter.
This was amazing. I have tried using pedals with in the mix but have never been able to get them to cut. I think most of the mixes i have tried them on have been too dense..
+Dirt Nap yeah that's why he uses SDCs on the amps. He's not trying to get super thick tones. We talked specifically about that.
I have always used the effect direct to rather then running it through amps. I'll have to give that shot.
The amp is just for the spring reverb component. otherwise, I'd simply return from the pedal too.
That sounds so much better than the plugin. I was wondering, if I wanted to use guitar pedals for vocals live, could I do it? Like compression/slightly distorted sound
Tonkazable Yes, my Band personally does this but we use a box that takes the XLR signal coverts it to quarter inch then converts it back to XLR so its balanced before it hits the board. I use an EHX attack decay clone, a Boss DM-2 and a Homemade Spring Reverb on mine personally Plus a T.C Helicon Distortion to emulate a megaphone
@@JPGenergy I need to know which box thing that is! I‘ve been looking for ages and can‘t find an answer :(
which guitar pedal could do the same as vocal harmony or vocal doubling.?
Holy shit
Guys ! You need to play with plugins! There will be less dirt!
Didn't know Tony Hawk knew so much about pedals.
Does anyone know the name of the song?
Yes, The featured track was 'Private Moon' by Carroll, see it here: czcams.com/video/gDpEGPhtrcc/video.html . Also in description and video card.
I guess it's impossible to have this type of setup in a live performance setting.....these I guess we're designed specifically for recording purposes....
Just get a send from the board and use a reamp box.
Where is the studio located ie City state physical address would be helpful
It was in part 1, which is Philly, PA. Miner Street.
Studio's in Philadelphia. Fishtown neighborhood.
hey bo you related to dale?
Now I can be Reggie Watts!
Nate David indeed!
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THIS
If you have a few mins free sometime would you listen to a mix I did recently by any chance? Would be awesome to have your input on it
I swear this is big z from surfs up
Haha thanks for the heart
Guy sounds like Gary Vee
I love analog and respect real artists like this. But he should of left the last part out cuz i can do this with free plugins on a free daw that no i couldn't sell in 5 years cuz i didn't buy them in the first place. However i can sell the way i engineering i learned in the box to somebody in 5 years.
It's a difference in the philosophy and priority of production. I'm willing to go the extra mile for better sound or at least try it for the tracks that matter in a mix to see if it's better. Most times that something is easier to do, it also means it is not better in sound.
Imagine... whammy on vocals....
Look a band called ¨MADMADMAD¨ on kexp
Ya just can't have a day job and be committed to the art of psycho-acoustical engineering !
this is something you could do at home with a $90 (or less) reamp box and pedals.
I wouldn't pay an hourly rate to experiment like this...or maybe i'm just a tightwad?
enjoyed the video though, you dudes are alright.
IS
Why he sound like Gary vee😂😂
I prefer effects to be based on the actual instrument rather than import an effect. They sit more naturally in the music than does a sample.
Russ Wilson mememememe
"There's pedals people have never dreamed of, that are out there now ..."
False. Someone had to imagine it, design it and build it ...
It'd parse if he means there are *other* people out there -- other than the designer or builder -- who had never dreamed of said pedals.
But i get what you're saying, Kieren.
AWESOME
Thanks Diego!