Best and Worst 2-Color Commander Designs!
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- čas přidán 21. 10. 2021
- What are the best and worst designs of two-color commanders? We're looking at Azorius, Dimir, Rakdos, Gruul, Selesnya, Orzhov, Golgari, Simic, Izzet, and Boros to find our favorite and least favorite designed commanders, so hop along for the ride!
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Anyone notice a small flavor fail on Killian? He's supposed to be the Ink *Duelist,* but because he has menace, he can't ever fight anything one on one.
Or maybe is that a flavor win? Maybe the idea is that he's so renowned as an unbeatable duelist that even Emrakul pisses herself at the idea of facing him one on one? That's actually kinda cool
Yeah, he's not really much of a duelist. He gets trashed if he blocks, say, his classmate Promising Duskmage.
or maybe it's due to the fact that he duel wields his attacks? not sure
@@elscourou6654 except it would have to be spelled “dual” not “duel”
I’ve always thought of it as a flavour win, his father is a dean who expects nothing less than perfection from his son and it’s driven Killian to learn to be the best. Not even 2 people against him will be able to best him.
The only thing that caught my eye from the flavor text was the name Dean Embrose, it pretty much sounds like Dean Ambrose, an ex-WWE wrestler who's now using a different ring name (Jon Moxley).
Can’t wait for the three color series
We will see lol 😝
I second this
I third this
I want to see this as well
@@NitpickingNerds I fourth this!
Osgir, the Reconstructor is so much fun. I never felt like he was oppressive. I love having the ability to get 2 or even 4 Wurmcoil engines in play.
The wurmcoils are super sexy in the deck
I tossed in Defense Grid and Ethersworn Canonist and oh boy do people feel oppressed lol
I made a Osgir deck with a modular theme. Since he can make extra tokens of the modular creatures you get plenty of +1/+1 counters running around.
@@davidr3146 spicy!!!
Triplicate Titan. My friends plays Ozzy as his primary deck. I’ve been killed by Triplicate Titan far too many times.
Beezy: "Grand Arbiter is lame because you are the only one having fun" ... also Beezy: "Brudiclad is awesome because you can make a token of lodestone golem and then copy it."
The "I can't NOT win with it" argument for Kinnan is exactly why I took apart my Chulane deck with Party Mechanic. It wasn't even Chulane combo, more just creature goodstuff, but it just went so hard every single time, it was no longer fun.
Rakdos lord of riots is my favourite, let's me play demon tribal without spending millions of mana but I do find myself having to convince people there's no eldrazi quite often
Yeah usually rakdos summons the spaghetti
@@NitpickingNerds Because Rakdos is, himself, a spicy meatball.
This is the exact problem I have with buildling Hamza, Belbe and a few other otherwise interesting commanders.
"Why is he bonding with Basalt Monolith?" Had me laughing out loud
I'm really happy I found this channel. You guys are awesome, and I love the focus on balance and fun
Honestly, I understand where you're coming from with the Niv combo, but there is something flavorfully cool as shit about the idea that if you just get Niv the slightest bit curious, it's completely game over for your opponents
I do like that flavor
Great Video! Would love to see videos where you guys talk about your favourite commanders or cards in general of each respective guild.
Storev has one special word on him. Planeswalker. Meren doesn't hit planeswalkers. Most green black don't. Your other option is Carth. And while Carth is amazing(and fairly new), if you want a casual golgari planewalker(maybe Garruk tribal?), Storrev is your boi.
That is so niche but you are right
This video was unbelievably entertaining thank you so much.
Most enjoyable video from this month for sure, It was
First off, love your videos! Please don't wear yourselves out. It's always fun to see these cool decks across the table. I'd love to see my pg play with more of these fun commandwers. I'm definitely building either Osgir or Griswold soon though. Griswold with the Assault Suit?!
i will never understand why Wizards had to nerf Allies in Battle for Zendikar. No one ever complained that Allies and their synergy is too strong, but for some reason they gave allies trash abilities on ETB
They are so bad!
Allies were quite good in 60-4-20 formats
BfZ was generally a fairly hard step-down for everyone, as an attempt to lower standard's power level after the highs of Ravnica-Theros-Tarkir. Yeah, Gids and Ulamog were strong, and the Eldrazi tribe broadly benefited from suddenly having an influx of cards that really benefit from costing 2 less, but most of the Eldrazi were just as weak as their Allied counterparts.
Allies were kind of good in modern. One misstep could have meant a new broken deck.
I hope you guys continue this with favorite and least three color commanders and so forth!
This is a fun series. Hope you make more for the mono and 3 color sets!
I just started playing a Hofri deck and it is so much fun to pilot. Great Boros commander
Do u have a decklist for it? I am also trying to make a deck out of him
im suprised to see Brudiclad here it’s one of my favorite decks! ❤️
Beezy has him and he is so cool
@@NitpickingNerds he’s definitely one of my absolute favorite decks that you guys convinced me to build ages ago. Nothing better than manifesting a lethal army out of a bunch of food tokens. 🤣
I love him so so so much. He has so much potential to be a sneaky CEDH card. He is 6 costed which makes him look bad! :D
I watched and followed your advice on the deckbuilding 101 video in regards to playing the 1 mana elf dorks instead of the usual 3 mana spells to go get a tapped land.
My new Tovolar deck came flying out the gates and managed to kill the mill player turn 6 with overwhelming stampede.
Would love to see this series continued for other color combinations and monocolored!
For Dimir I have been loving Wilhelt the Rotcleaver, but I’ve always been partial to zombies. Had to restructure my Grimgrin deck but I’m loving the change so far.
Yes wilhelt with a poppet stitcher is awesome also including the new Gisa is amazing! (also put field of the dead in your deck)
Don’t let beezy hear you say field of the dead
I wish he gave decay to the actual creature instead of a token replacement. Would go ridiculous with Mikaeus the unhallowed
Thanks for the content. I like your philosophy of good designs being those that promote multiple viable directions.
Best card for Volo that has yet to be made: Creatures you control and creature cards in your, hand, library and graveyard lose all creature types.
Cool to see Neyith here. I keep getting Neyith whenever I grab a set of Jumpstart. Finally making a deck around it because….it’s a sign! Probably
This video was fun. I’m normally all about listening to you guys talk 💩 on popular cards like Niv and Kinnan, but now I really just want more picks for commander designs you love. I want to see the runner ups you love from each guild because I bet there were some spicy ones that barely missed the cut. Are you guys gonna do more of these for monocolored or 3/5 color?
We are gonna do 3 color for sure!
I get and respect your opinions on Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts but I absolutely love her for my specific EDH deck lol. It's a fun aristocratic Exquisite Blood/Sanguine Bond combo deck and it's nice to have a commander like Teysa to drop late game if necessary to help protect you till you get the combo or another alt win con. Thanks for your great videos :)
Because Prosper is now a thing and treasure tokens are becoming more prominent, I've been putting Veridian Revel in all my Green decks. Everytime someone casts a spell with Prosper, I draw like 6 cards just from them using their treasure tokens lmao I love it. I get to draw all the cards before their spell is even cast lmao
It’s pretty spicy!
Loved this videos, I hope you make more, mono color next?
fun fact: The Old Legends in Legends were design with something like Commander in Mind. The should start outside the game in a different zone, like Companion. The you could cast them anytime and the next time a bit more costly. That's why most of them are relatively costly mana-wise and not so strong in there abilities. Thx and peace out!
Thanks for such an entertaining video guys!
For saying you've never had a blue/black deck (If I heard that correctly) my first deck I built with help from a friend, is just The Scarab God, zombie tribal, I started building it before midnight hunt announced their deck types, so I ended up with a few cards from there. But is an insanely fun deck within my play group.
If you give Tahngarth menace, he becomes unlockable.
It makes every attack step into your attack step.
I feel as though you gotta give Tahngarth a bit more credit. I've got a Tahngarth deck and its hands down one of my favorite decks to pilot. Hes got lots of potential politicking and synergy with menace to make him unblockable AND the potential to straight up kill anyone within one turn cycle, which almost everyone agrees to if someone is running away with the game. Hes really unique and is a lot more fun than you seem to give him credit for. Also, you mentioned assault suit which is great for preventing him from getting sacked. Great video regardless, I always love your guys' content!
So I have a Tahngarth deck and I like him. I drop menace on him (makes him unlockable) and other Voltron stuff and he can reliably two shot players. You goad people and he kills everyone on other players' turns. It isn't perfect but it can be fun. He plays better the more players are in the game.
Tahngarth brooks is my favorite combat commander. He does very well with swords
Even cards we don’t like can be built in cool ways all that sounds awesome
100% agree. He’s my favorite underrated commander deck I’ve built. I originally built it as a joke and it had killed so many people out of nowhere. Tangarth Menace Goad is legit.
Hofri Ghostforge is crazy good, definitely one of my favorite.
I love my Volo build. I have very few overlaps, and it pops off, but the most important thing is keeping Volo safe.
Love y’all’s stuff idk how much effort it is but for your videos that come out like this is there a way you could put time stamps?
Grismold with Decayed zombies is a fun concept as well!
6:45 I felt the same, but the deck that broke the mold for me was Gyruda, Doom of Depths. Playing clones to churn through your deck till your opponents spill something neat or just tossing an Ulamog into play is fantastic.
Gyruda is a solid commander I like the companion achievement
Veyran is my new favorite Izzet commander. She's a ton of fun if you like spell slinging.
I actually had a blast playing with and against blim. I built it as group slug, so the effects are neutral and it doesn't matter if your give them away. It makes for some high intensity games where the table is always under pressure.
Joe, taking into account how much you love playing your opponents cards against them, I think you would enjoy making a deck similar to one I used to run. Lazav, Dimir Mastermind mill/control. Every big splashy scary creature in your opponents decks becomes a potential Lazav transformation target. Throw in control magic sort of cards, reanimate stuff from everyone's graveyards, so on and so forth, and that seems like it would be right up your "play my opponents decks" alley.
Not arguing that he's at or anywhere near the top for Dimir guild commanders, this is just a specific recommendation because you've said you like playing decks like that in previous videos.
I do indeed, I really want that Grixis play my opponents cards commander
@@NitpickingNerds marsil the pretender isn’t bad for that
@@NitpickingNerds I use Jeleva as my commander for "play my opponents cards" with Prosper, Etali & Wrexial in the 99. Hurl through Hell, Fevered Suspicion, Stolen Strategy and friends. Howl of the Horde, Galvanic Iteration and Repeated Reverberation can be cast w/ Jeleva (other copy spells can't be used effectively with Jeleva due to timing restrictions) to amplify the spells you "borrow" or 2nd main phase plays like Beacon of Unrest or Spelltwine. I specifically avoid almost all "steal" cards in the deck. Fallen Shinobi and Silent-Blade Oni also have nice synergy with Jeleva as they can bounce her to re-stock on exiled cards to cast without increasing the commander tax. 38 "hits" for Jeleva by using things like modal counter-magic (Cryptic Command, Mystic Confluence, etc) so they aren't blanks when Jeleva hits them.
Jeleva also provides more fuel for some rarer effects like Ashiok, Nightmare Muse
Homie did you pronounce Prosper's race as "tie-fling" lmao it's pronounced as "tee-fling" that gave me a good laugh, great video though guys! Love Prosper
My Favorite dimir commander is the partner combo of Ghost of Ramirez DePetro and Armix, Fildagree thrasher. The combo of attacking and discarding and then dealing combat damage and getting that card back is incredible because of the discard triggers. And on top of that, you get to kill something because of the amount of mana rocks you’re playing
That is a spicy build
Love the shout out for Osgir. Just last night I was able to take five turns in a row by discarding an Ugin's Nexus, then double-double reanimating it using Osgir wearing Illusionist Bracers.
I may have taken 8 extra turns last night haha. Not sure how you take 5. I had to use a pull from eternity to get the extra 4. The first 4 was from osgir plus a copy effect. Got it into the graveyard by discarding it. That's the tricky part. Ended up winning with a hellkite tyrant and passing to my extra turn with a billion artifacts.
@@lorcanawithluke 5 turns in a row (4 extra turns): start turn with Nexus in grave, target it with Osgir wearing Illusionist Bracers, making 2 tokens twice, three die to legendary rule, sac the last one, take four more turns.
@@PoppinNoggins ah my bad I understood 5 extra turns in a row.
The new unfortunate part about brudiclad, is that now we have essix who just does his job but better.
See I agree that it's a good commander, but not having red removes a lot of cool things you can do. And simic, in my opinion, is just not fun to play. Most of it is samey, you see the same cards In most decks. Brudiclad is not a common commander, and there are a lot less generic ways to abuse him like in green, but he is still a cool commander.
Veyran, Voice of Duality is also super fun for a storm setup. Pair it with thousand year storm, apex of power, and mana geyser/seething song and prepare for 20 min turns
I play her with cheap prowess creatures and cantrips. harmonic prodigy and adeliz fit so well in that deck. and yes, storm, storm, storm!
another fun video! Thanks guys!
Tahngarth is actually pretty fun. If he gets menace, he's unblockable and if you combine him with forced combat stuff, it's not impossible to kill a couple people in one round around the table. He's the one commander that I think makes really good use of colossification, and it tapping Tahngarth is situationally an upside.
I just built Grismold and he is so much fun!! An absolute powerhouse and completely flies under the radar until you wipe all the tokens and swing lethal commander damage! I’m definitely putting assault suit in now!
Prosper is So.Much.Fun. Easily my favorite precon commander of the past couple years (since k'rrik in 19 probably 😈). Such a cool design space...controlled chaos, theft, treasure tokens & artifact payoffs...all on a good blocker body. I get so many random wins or close 2nd-place finishes with the deck even though it's probably my only deck that doesn't contain a single infinite combo (lots of really strong cards, but no infinites). Even when I lose with Prosper, I still usually had a good time. They really killed it with him...
The thumbnail got me excited cause I build an Iroas deck and want some good cards in that color combo.
My favorite blue white commander is Yorion, the massive blinks are awesome, and the way it loops with other cards makes you so hard to pin down. Also I love value way too much.
Favorite Golgari is Old Stickfingers. It can be really good in mid level formats, but it also seems like it has the potential to be incredible in cEDH (play necrotic ooze, phyrexian devourerer, and walking ballista and any reanimation spell is a one card combo kill with the cast trigger of your commander)
Prosper is so fun to play. It has become one of my favorite commander in an instant!
Also, i have never seen that Teysa, ever.
I wasn't aware of its existence at all!
Osgir is the first not boros attack commander? What about fire song and sunspeaker burn?
As someone who has gotten the trostani helm combo off it is a lot of fun
My best friend has a Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts deck where it’s focused on lifegain. I think it’s pretty fun to fight though it does discourage me from attacking at times but it also seems like he really enjoys playing it.
I also have Eloise, Nephalia Slueth in my 99 for my Sefris of the Hidden Ways deck and she’s super fun even in the 99 lol.
My current favorite commander is Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle. I was looking through my cards and saw I had a bunch of big stupid sea creatures and decided to build a deck around them. I thought it would be really cumbersome and slow, but with cards like Kiora’s Follower you can cast Arixmethes on turn 3 and create 4 mana with it on turn 4. It’s been a lot better deck than I was expecting.
Blim is definitely a 99 card, for sure. I run him in my Xantcha deck to "give" auras already on xantcha to my opponents, mainly the auras that don't care who controls it at least.
When Tangarth came out, my buddy built him and won in the most stellar first game. It was brilliant. I have no idea how he did it
Interesting to hear your insights on some commanders, even learned about new cards too (I first started around Darksteel and didn't play again until War of the Sparks)
* Ranar: Hmm maybe I underestimated him, the precon didn't seem great to me
* Eloise: She seems super interesting, seems potent
* Prosper: Crazy strong
* Neyith: Interesting, never heard of this one - fighting seems pretty sweet, the bottom portion reminded me of Xenagos
* Trostani: She's okay, Nykthos Paragon is very scary with her
* Killian: Looks super interesting, good amount of ways to go, Liesa is my Orzhov fav though, what is commander tax lol
* Grismold: Very interesting, I feel like Golgari has a lot of interesting commanders that I want to try out
* Volo: Super nasty, very fun deck construction, and a lot of cards people have never heard of
* Brudiclad: I love tokens, I love the way it works
* Ozgir: Value town in Boros, who would have known lol - I think it also helped that the precon had some very sweet value
* Bonus - Niv-Mizzet: I remember building him when I wasn't satisfied with playing spellslingers with the C19 Jeskai precon - took wins with Thousand Year Storm to resolve something like a Comet Storm or Earthquake copied multiple times. I feel like the Vadrik from Midnight Hunt to be a great Izzet spell deck to play
God these are some great choices
Ive loved playing with eloise and ended up making an artifact token deck thats been really fun
Beezy has been on the Eloise grind lately as well
Sad to see my boy Blim on your hitlist, but I really enjoy playing him in an Act of Treason style build, it leads to some fun politics when I steal the best creature on the board and have to decide who to give it to. That way I play fewer "bad gifts" and it's more engaging for everyone.
Even our least favorite designs can built in fun ways no doubt
I've been looking at him and playing him as a group hug deck. Actually giving people good things. Or neutral things that help the table like howling mine or something. This is a good idea.
@@Goodthrust69 I also run neutral effects that I can give away that work for the whole table! Things like Howling Mine, Mass Hysteria, and Endless Whispers are pretty great.
Love the content keep it up
I have a Niv-mizzet parun deck. I just took out curiosity type card, I totally agree that those cards does leads to victory, but a little too consistently, in which to me is my favorite part of commander. taking out 2 card infinite combo make the deck a lot more fair and make you work a lot more to set up an insane combo.
For Dimir, tribal rogue with krydle from AFR is super fun.
Would love to see like a most fun/ least fun to play list
Of these, I briefly had Teysa as a general. It was very casual, and this was also in 2017 - so just pre-“everything is designed for commander” and pushed. She wasn’t a great (or even that good of a ) commander, but it was a fun Orzhov deck overall. Now though, the card is so incredibly outclassed, it would make no sense at all. I’m building better/more fun decks.
I have a Kinnan deck, let me just say he is nuts to the point of feeling guilt when playing him. I have won with him on turn 2 on more than one occasion. Winning like that is cool the first 1 or 2 times then you feel like a tool. Needless to say I powered it down. Nice vid as always
What are your wincons?
@@SeekerOfKnowledge87 I typically tutor for Basalt Monolith, then draw my library through something like Blue Sen Zenith or Staff of Domination. I then cast Chromatic Orrery to make my infinite mana colored, at which point I can draw out all my creatures through Kinnan or if I've already drawn most of my library just cast all my creatures from hand (which are all Eldrazi).
Then I cast finale of Devastation for an insane amount and All is Dust, then swing for the win.
Do it for mono-color too, great video!
gotta love that Trostani representation :3 clearly it was influenced by my deck!
I know this is a year out now but what y’all think of fire mind rather than parun? He’s counter-able but has a more manageable cost, he can tap to start the infinite but that means he needs haste to start infinite out the gate so that’s 3 spells cast for about 7+ mana and all are presumably counter-able.
Grenzo, dungeon warden is simultaneously my favourite and most infuriating rakdos commander to play
Depala is my favorite Boros commander. i love playing it with the dwarf/vehicle tribal budget deck
I play Osgir at cEDH tables and yes, he absolutely can be miserable to play against. I got a turn 1 Rule of Law, turn 2 Osgir, turn 3 Karn the Great Creator who can return cards exiled with Osgir back to your hand so I kept looping artifact lands and Sphere of Resistance so by turn 6, I’m at 12+ mana and I have 6 sphere of resistances so all spells cast 6 more. No one could cast spells while I was playing cards out of my graveyard and just ran away with the game. That was a pretty extreme example though because I had like the perfect hand but Osgir in general is pretty powerful and a very creative commander. Can be built to perform in all power levels.
It's really, really refreshing to hear people talk about how the new designs for commander are being done well. I feel like so often you hear people complaining about how Wizards is 'ruining the format' by designing cards specifically for commander. I think 95-99% of their designs have been absolutely killer and allowed a ton of new and interesting stuff in the format. Appreciate someone finally saying something about it.
i really enjoy munda in the 99 of my 5 color allies, pairs really well with realmwalker
Tahngarth is actually one of my favourites. Menace makes him literally unblockable, and there's an abundance of ways to grant it.
You missed incubate tokens with Bruticlad. They're the best ones because they come with counters that stack on top of whatever you turn them into.
In the defence of Tahngarth, all you have to do is give it menece and it will be unblockable. Since his text says he can only be blocked by one creature, and menece says he must be double blocked, then nothing can block him so its free damage.
Momir vig is my personal favorite simic commander. A tutor on a body for playing simic creatures is awesome. I average winning by turn 7 or earlier.
He is pretty cool for toolbox commander, isn't that oppressive too.
will you be doing a video with your favorite/ least favorite mono colored commanders?
30:10-30:20, works with construct tokens? Not if they are 0/0's with +1/+1 counters.
I built a Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts deck, it is slow but fun, I catch people out with Inkshield and Saving Grace. Stinging Study is a good draw spell for a 7 drop commander. Not many people hold up a removal spell for Teysa when there are many scarier targets on the board or in command zones.
Man I really tried to make a blim deck, and yall are right it's too hard. My play group was sad when I broke the deck up, because while its unsustainable it is a lot of fun to play with and against. My strategy was to take peoples creatures, and then pass them off to a different player after combat using blim or that goblin that taps and gives away permanent spells. It was definitely fun when it worked, because I would give commanders away to other players and create chaos
Ishkanah is my favorite and I honestly can't see any card ever topping her for me. Spiders were a tribe I was desperate for a good commander for pretty much since I started playing in the mid 2000s. Not only was she in my favorite set in what has become my favorite plane, she was in my favorite color combination and is a graveyard strategy commander which is my favorite playstyle. She ticks literally every box I could ever ask for. Now I just want a real Horror tribal commander and for Arachnogenesis to get a reprint so I can put it in my budget version of my Ishkanah deck.
I literally see no one talking about Karlov of the Ghost Council (which is probably my favorite commander ever) what's your opinion on him? Do you think it's broken or anti-fun?
Not broken at all he is strong for sure though
As someone whose first deck was Niv-mizzet Parun, the critique is pretty fair. I try to mitigate it by not trying to turbo out to my Curiosity, and try to focus more on wheels and some control. Granted, I still keep those cards in just in case.
If you're looking for weird Dimir commanders, I recommend Dralnu. And if you want to be extra spicy, try donating him to opponents so you can deal a bunch of damage to him.
That card is very weird
The mixing of reasons for best and worst in this list was jarring (i.e. best card cause of flavor worst card cause of payoff) but still a nice list! Definitely motivated me to make a new list or 2 👀
My favourite Dimir commander is Vela, the Night Clad. Play her with a bunch of Devoid Eldrazi and your team can only be blocked by artifacts. Chuck some Reconnaissance Mission effects in there. Juicy!
That is a spicy deck
One thing I noticed about Simic was the highs were really high (Volo, Arixmethes) and lows were really low (Kinnan, Tatyova, ect).
Yeah the land draw commanders just run away with games
Beezy you should look at Aurami! You might like her. She seems to be a little more focused on things different from normal dimir things
I've thrown grand arbiter in my Ranar precon because i got one in spanish handed by a friend :D
What do you know, I built a Trostani deck and I have to agree she was a ton of fun, though as I play tested the build and made adjustments, the whole thing started leaning more on smaller tokens and I found Rhys the Redeemed to be far better suited for the commander slot. But still thinking Trostani with Helm of the Host could be a ton of fun. Later maybe, I'm messing around with Sythis right now.
14:22 yeah, tahngarth is pretty weird as a “designed for commander card”
If I’m not mistaken, he was actually meant to be in commander legends, he would be the gruul installment in the jund group slug theme, with belbe in golgari and blim in rakdos, all United by yurlok of scorch thrash.
He may have been ok in commander legends draft
@@NitpickingNerds no, tahngarth wasn't actually in commander legends. if i'm correct, he was put into commander 2019 much in the same way gerrard, weatherlight hero was pulled from commander legends and put in 2019 as well. which just makes him more weird.
Great video! Now do shards and wedges 😊
My Niv-Mizzet deck is awesome loving ping people pairing him Veryan voice of duality is great
Imagine kinnan having the ability to soulbond multiple times or for different benefits. Might fit the flavour better
Interesting to see so many new/recent commanders on both sides of the spectrum. It's cool that WotC are pushing new and mechanically unique cards, even though they miss the mark from time to time.
Those ad placements are top tier. Of course I'm gonna watch this ad to hear who the worst borosilicate commander is
I have an oona faerie tribal deck, but I mainly use oona because my mother bought me a hand painted full art alter for Xmas, so I'm not saying no to that.