Is This The End of Easy Abyss Clears in Genshin Impact?
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► Genshin Impacts brand new abyss in 4.7 is one of the most grueling and difficult challenges we've evr had... but why? I break down WHY this Abyss is so hard, but also the reasons why HoYoverse is increasing the abysses difficulty in the first place for F2P and lategame players alike. And finally I tackle the main question here. Is this a turning point in Genshin and HoYoverse's development strategy? Have competitors in the space proven that players DO want more difficult content, and is this Genshin's first step in delivering that... stay tuned to find out.
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0:00 Exactly HOW Genshin Made The Abyss More Difficult
4:16 Struggling To Clear With 4 Stars Only
5:27: The 2 Reasons WHY Genshin is upping the Abyss's Difficulty
8:53 So... Is This a turning point in Genshin impact? Thanks for watching :)
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this abyss has more enemies than my dog at the dog park
How many dogs do you have.?
@@Lawlietsherpa one lol
As a enemy of their dog, I can confirm this
As the dog park owner I can also confirm this
As an owner of a dog that fights literally any dog he encounters, i confirm this
It’s always the waves of enemies that get me. I could easily 36 star the abyss if all the enemies came out at once, or at least in 2 waves and not 3-4. It also feels like every enemy is made to waste as much time as possible through mechanics that you can’t stop. At least I have a lot of characters, I can’t imagine going through the abyss lecture shields without Yelan.
Yelan doesn't help alone for it lol I also had to get Xingqiu cause she was breaking the shields kinda slowly compared to the timer and I have her at C1 her hydro applications are kinda low compared to hydro boy but yeah she definitely carried the second half for me cause using both of them gave me too much energy I had their bursts at cooldowns lol
Hate this type of difficulty spike as well I would rather fight Concentrated beasts which can one shot you than these waves of time consuming shield honestly, that also feels more immersive as you have to look out and time certain things like bursts and skills for their attack but for this I still did ungabunga'ed way out of this abyss for the second half even 1st half was fairly easy with my fully built Raiden Chev team If they didn't had that 1 Ruin Guard on the 1st ch 1st half I would clear withought any worries he wasted so much time by wasting rotations and running back and forth and then running back again.
Sorry I went on a lil rant lol
Because the best waves are the Wuthering Waves 🌊
All these waves were not friendly to my Ayaka
What makes it difficult is if you're using teams with long rotation. Let's take National as an example, and say that the whole setting up takes 7 seconds upon starting and it takes 6 seconds to clear the first wave. Going to the next wave will take something like 2 seconds which leaves 6 and 10 seconds remaining with both XL and XQ burst which will be very likely not enough to kill the second wave at the end of rotation. If the second wave can't be killed by setting up, the 3rd wave will also very likely survive at the end of rotation which means you're using 1 rotation per wave. Overall, if you take exactly 4 setups before clearing 4 waves at the end of the rotation then it already took 1 minute and 40 seconds.
@Rose-pr2nd I started back in Jan. I 36 stared for my first time last abyss. I don’t have Yelan or Furina and never had an opportunity to get them. I have Kazuha and Neuvilette and am struggling to punch through on those guys😭
My theory is that they ramped up the difficulty because of the new "endgame" mode, Imaginarium theater
I can see that
Yeah, Imaginarium will buff certain characters for a whole month and those buffs carry over to the abyss, too. Makes sense why they would make the abyss harder
Orrrr because lvl 100is coming
My thoughts exactly. Also i just stop at floor 11🤷♂️
they also raised rewards for clearing all floors from 600 to 800 primos
One other thing is Imaginarium Theathre coming out. Imaginarium will buff certain characters for a whole month and those buffs carry over to the abyss! So if you plan it right, you can bring those buffed characters to the abyss and have a slightly easier time
I have always wondered how that would affect a player who doesn't have the buffed characters at all honestly. Because despite being AR 60, I don't even got all four stars actually and of course not all limited five stars, and buffed characters that I don't have is simply just useless if you know what I mean
@@off_fuyubut its the same the abyssal moon buffs worked so far. For example when Navia ran her banner we had an atk buff for when you picked up elemental shards. Useless dor everyone but Navia. Now they just make it obvious.
@@isabelle.qb9146 The elemental shards was good if you ran either mono Geo teams (with Itto or Navia as dps) or half geo and half another element. I do agree that's how they always been doing the abyss with enforcing some sort of buff to make it seem like the 5 stars are better than they are.
@@isabelle.qb9146 I understand that this buff might not help everyone, yet I think this buff is slightly better due to it being wide spreaded. Yes, this was mainly for Navia, but in general geo teams were profiting from this buff. I guess those buff (personally) either help me in general (such as for this abyss where standard attacks are prioritized) by using Yoimiya or is completely useless since I either do not use a team that can work around that buff or just don't want to. I see a point that the abyss buff might not work for everyone, having it wide spreaded can still give the opportunities use alternative teams for the abyss
Hoyo heard people liked Wuthering Waves so they gave us all the waves too
Too bad genshin mechanics and movement are ass star rail has better movement and it’s not even open world😂
@@piplonf8591 nah genshin mechanics is fine, movement can use some work but its definitely better than star rail
@@rushalias8511 mechanics are awful
@@piplonf8591 Bro called "Standing still" better movements :V
@@piplonf8591ah yes I love criticism where it's just "x is bad" without clarifying on why
I don't think wuthering waves has anything to do with this abyss.
First of all wuthering waves is not hard, it's a different type of combat, it's like understanding the reaction system in Genshin.
Secondly, the abyss is leaked way before wuthering waves even comes out, and we knew that this abyss was hard before the patch went live by a month or so.
I see the reasoning for this hard abyss is:
1) it's 30 day cycle now, so players have more time to do it, you can build a support character from scratch in a time like this (excluding artifacts but it's a support just slap random +20 and call it) so if you miss an "element" or "grouping" check or any "check", you can built new characters to help you meet that check which is a good thing imo, I remember building diona in 1.1 abyss for the cryo shield and didn't have the time to do it, we were early in the game so the building process was a bit harder but more days per cycle will help new players.
2) The second reason is the theater mode because it can buff some characters and I believe it carries into the abyss, but this depends on if these characters will be useful in the abyss cycle at the time or not.
3) power creep, Power creep in Genshin overall was always there but it was very unnoticeable, but recently it became a little bit noticeable.
4) lastly usually abyss tries to sell out the new character on banner, and this abyss is good for Clorinde, I think multiple waves is where she shines the most, especially with Thundering Fury artifacts. So because of that I believe next abyss will return to the normal difficulty or at least the waves will decrease to normal.
Wuthering waves is hard.
Lmao wdym? I am UL46 and I 6/6 all hologram already. Also ToA aint worth the time since wuwa is notorious on materials that even weapon xp can only be obtain through stamina unlike genshin that you an farm it overworld. We cant even upgrade 2 teams lvl 70 full so ToA is not worthit@@pufbo
@@reedsad4652 That's not even true.
You can craft weapon exp through the synthesizer.
Echo exp is only a problem if you waste all your exp on bad echos. If you waste all your exp on triple flat stat echos and then wonder why you have no exp, that's why...
I have been playing day one, UL42, and I am swimming resources right now. It's not even like I'm not building my characters, I got two teams built.
This is literally just a "stop throwing away your resources" issue.
It's even worse if you're coming off from Genshin since this means this isn't your first rodeo, so you would know to hoard as much as possible and to be as efficient as possible.
Hell, I haven't used a single crystal solvent because I know I should be saving those for max reward world drops...just like saving all your fragile resin for when you finally get the guaranteed 5 star artifacts in genshin.
@@reedsad4652 I’m not saying it’s impossible to clear the holograms but it’s challenging/hard to clear the content when they one shot you, and ToA is worth the time for extra astrite.The next point you bring up is how you can only attain weapon exp through stamina which is also untrue when quests , the synthesizer , and the shops give them out, and you can upgrade 2 teams to lvl 70 it’s simply a matter of resource management which it seems you aren’t good at it. Is this your first gacha?
Wuthering [strong wind] waves is NEW. So, duh, people flock to new. Also, Genshin really wanted the casual gamer since the Chinese game-hours cap. Mihoyo is based in China. How can a player farm 1 hour on Fridays only, or 3 hours on public holidays?
Genshin isn't an E-Sport model. It's a lore based model with a collection component. I think Streamer-Flex gamers are out of touch with the mission of the company. They made other games for the "West-Minded" players❤❤ imagining the Chinese accent pronunciation of Zenless Zone Zero; CEN-reh-Sōn-seh-rou. LIYUE is Chinese culture. Look, they drop a new LIYUE character each nation: Shenhe for Inazuma, Yaoyao for Sumeru, Gaming for Fontaine. Mihoyo IS trying to please the West, who has time to waste on games. But they really care about the other things, look at the musical events Mihoyo does, the art contests, the community, the cosplayers. ZZZ is a great product, genshin is just a huge game. They are going for that WoW-vibe and playing the long game. Genshin is not their money maker, but it is the game that was meant to grab a HUGE account base for "Company metrics"
X.7 abyss is always hell
According to the last data report I saw, less than 8% of players are clearing/attempting the abyss anyways
(also makes abyss content only appeal to those ~8%)
But Imaginary Theatre will definitely boost those metrics, at least temporarily
Yeah, I only recently started trying. Before that, I was like, it's just going to make me frustrated. Floor 11's protect the monolith is infuriating enough (this is from a f2p who does not have someone who can casually drop 100k+ damage).
The Slimes on floor eleven...
*Laugs in Venti*
I have nightmares about that...
there is something almost hilarious about this, that slimes, one of the most basic enemies is causing trouble.
Yeah I fought with them Pyro and Electro with my Raiden National Overload but my damage was so high it didn't matter still had to retry it 3-4 times and ofc I went the hard way I choose that team on the same chamber where I had to fight Electro and Pyro slimes it was kinda fun running away ungabunga'ing them while my Pyronado accidently killing Electro Slimes as collateral damage
@@rushalias8511 I always felt like the Slimes are the wrost enemy if you got the wrong element with 100% immunity to your attacks but yeah it was kinda funny to fight them in ch-11, I was laughing cause they were beating me to redo it like 3-4 times
suprised there was no mention that the abyss is harder because it now only resets once a month so players have more time to clear it
I thought the same reason but maybe we are wrong so we gotta wait and see for future Abyss as others are saying that the new end game mode with help to boost your characters in Abyss
This was a tough three days and I'm so sad I missed the very end, but it was a wild ride and I enjoyed being present for most of it. Eakes dedication is impressive.
The real reason players find this abyss so hard: they didn't pull Neuvillette and his sig.
This is Mihoyo's way of punishing waifu only players.
lol that will inevitably happen once in a while, but they punish the husbando only players more often (simply by releasing more female characters and tailoring the current abyss to them). The last few cycles were good for pyro dps (arlecchino marketing) and most limited pyro characters are women. 😓 we either cave in to the gacha addiction or we learn from eakes and finally build our 4*s 🤷♂
Don't worry my friend who only uses waifus cleared this abyss quite nicely
I cleared second half with my C1R1 badly built Arlecchino faily easily don't worry they aren't giving us hard time and the only boys I used on my teams on both half were Bennett and Xingqiu so 1 guy per team
i have both neuvillette and arlecchino but without their signatures, and im struggling. lmao
FOR REAL HUSBANDO ONLY PLAYERS ON TOP, MY ALHAITHAM SWEEPS, it couldve been neuvy but i lost my 50/50
Being a day 1 player, I still confidently say that the hardest abyss ever has been the 3.7 one. That was actually mega difficult to 36 star.
Nah but you aren't entirely wrong here if you go back and look at the enemies only Lectors were the hardest cause of their constant freeze and they could be overcome with the right elemental team sevy plays literally did it with her 4 stars only but for this she said she felt this was the hardest to 36 star cause of the time crunch and you can see her vids on the prev Abyss she did it in fairly good amount of time left.
That Abyss was more of a skill and doge check while this feels more bloated with HP so this is harder to 36 star so in skill sense that was the hardest cause of also the Concentrated Beasts while this is the hardest cause of bloated HPs, unnecessary wave of enemies and very low timer.
Cause even that Abyss got 4 waves in first half and 2 waves in 2nd both with low HP but rediculous shield freeze lectors, 2nd Ch was ezzz, 3rd chamber had skill check cause of Concentrated Besats but only 2 waves of them and Baptist is super easy to deal with.
That was the Abyss where you were fighting enemeis but on this Abyss you are figthing the timer
@@eraba661 the timer is not an issue for old players, I honestly dont even think about it when playing abyss, but in the 3.7 abyss, I had difficulty staying alive because of the constant freeze and constipated beasts(might be a skill issue). So imo that was the hardest, damage checks are not an issue imo but elemental checks and dodge checks are hard man.
@@spacebanana712 I get you bro it took me kinda long to get used to Lectors and Concentrated Beasts attack and when I killed them it felt so good, this Abyss didn't give me any stress at all despite being so time consuming and I even had to reset 3-4 times yet it felt ungabunga and very easy to beat lol tbh I also prefer that Abyss over this
I've 36 all abyss' since maybe 1.8, but this multiple waves one is really hard. I am always 3-20 seconds short from a full clear. Yes, the double consecrated beast in version 3 where tough but still 36 it.
People are so overrating Wuthering Waves, they are spewing nonsense to justify whatever they want. Genshin is not threatened by that worse copy, and if they did, they could've sued them to oblivion and beyond. 2nd, any gacha that just starts will receive a lot of money. Whalers want to whale to secure top slots and claim skills, and CZcamsrs would want everything to do the content. If you really want to see if WW is any good, just wait a year and then compare it to what Genshin did a year after launch.
Also, pls stop claiming that if WW is harder to play, then Hoyo is changing Genshin to match that. Did Genshin change when Elden Ring released? No. Then stop it. They are 2 different games targeting different audience. Even if both are open world and both contain gacha elements. It's like comparing Football (soccer) to basketball as both use a ball and both use nets.
Didn't Genshin increase difficulty between Liyue and Inazuma? Did a different game influence Genshin?
It is the truth because this bozo of a playerbase cannot for 1: Read
2: Nitpick on ANY tiny thing that exists in the game that they don't like
3: Will use any other game as doompost clout because they got nothing better to do productively in their sad miserable lives that us Casuals or people that just play the game how we want suffer.
True people who say withering waves is better than Genshin are delusional. Genshin already made a HUGE impact than wuwa. Genshin put the Gacha genre on the charts and still making Millions even beating Playstation that one year. Even at the lowest aka Xianyun and Chiori genshin still break 50 mill+. On release, Gensin broke 50 million worldwide pre-register. Recently, Genshin generated more more with Fontaine characters with Neuvilette, Furina, Arleechino, and Clorinde.
It’s worse than waves and it’s getting better every update while genshin is staying the same don’t nobody have time to be watching those boring characters talk all game we want action
@@piplonf8591keep listening to players just mean the devs have a weak mindset, the players are greedy as f***, everything in that game is bad, especially the optimization, the combat worse than DMC, echo is worse than Palworld
dodging and counter is worse than any Soul game,..... there is no unique thing in that game. Better game my aS***
@@nguyenhuyhoang5952lol then what you want? A devs that don't to there communities problems? Ofcourse its good that wuwa is in touch with there community ofcourse they not idiots to give whatever the community asks but they will give whatever is needed to make there game better
Well Abyss now gives 200 primos per floor instead of 150, so some added difficulty would kinda make sense. But I think it is mainly end of version spike and it will get easier with Natlan.
I still remember that at end of Sumeru I had to pick teams for each chamber separately, because even with my best characters I was unable to get all stars in floor 12 with just two teams. Doing so is not really a problem for me today so my conclusion is that relative to characters I have, the current Abyss is easier than what we had during end of Sumeru.
Abyss resets 1 time per month now. Not every 14 days. With imaginarium thingy, we get a whopping 30-50 more primogems per month. Insane.
@@verymental6999 it is 220 extra primogems assuming you get all rewards.
that one chamber with Hydro/Cryo heralds was much worse than this entire F12 imo.
@@doug3454 use Bennett to self-apply Pyro, Dori for Electro, or Jean to swirl off Hydro. What were your teams for 4.7 floor 12.1.1?
@@tuxidokamen I actually did that (Sumeru) one with Klee Burgeon/Vape.
Tbf, I started to invest more vertically in Fontaine since I wasn't really hyped for that many Fontaine characters, so I doubt my experience with any teams on my main account would be relatable to horizontal investors (for example, I have C2 Furina and with her I can clear 12.1.1 in a minute at most with basically any decently built dps).
Though on my alt (which I kinda stopped playing, I just do the abyss when it resets), I actually did it (with a few resets) with Collei (built as a dps, heavily invested), Nahida, Miko, Sucrose on 1st half and Childe International on 2nd (all 5*s at C0 on that one, but Collei has Hunter's Path and Childe has Polar Star).
If this is intentional, its literally so foul. Genshin acting generous by giving us a new gamemode, only for them to make the other one incredibly difficult. Hence, barely any increase in rewards
Me who cried for 2 past abbysses but passed this one on 1st try:
>can't instantly wipe abyss with xiangling
>"abyss is changing forever"
lol, lmao
Having started in 4.1 this abyss is simply impossible to 36 star
You might be mathematically correct about that. I don't know if you've even had enough calendar time to get 8 characters to level 90 with 8/8/8 talents, with a level 90 weapon, with good artefacts, and ... they have to form cohesive teams. If you want META, here's a shortlist for you:
Supports: Kazuha, Furina, Nahida, Bennett
Sub-DPS - Raiden, Yelan, Xingqiu, Xiangling
DPS: Neuvillette, Alhaitham, Arlecchino or Hu Tao
Healers: Kokomi, Baizhu.
unless you whale A LOT
@@John_II I'm not sure. I started at the tail end of 3.8, and although I currently feel a long way away from 36 starring the abyss (my best is 3 stars on floor 12), that may be mostly because I've played and wished nowhere near optimally.
I think, had I chosen to wish for more meta characters like Neuvillette (I do have Kazuha, Furina, and Nahida, though), leveled up my Bennett and Xiangling, had more skill at playing, and if I had started out with some of the game knowledge that I have now, It might just be barely possible.
I have 7 characters currently at level 90 and I'm sure I could level up at least one or two more characters pretty easily. The main issue with my account currently is talents, which I forgot about for a large portion of my playing.
So in summary, it's definitely not easy but still probably doable for a skilled player to 36 star after starting in 4.1.
It can be easy to forget that new players have an enormous world to explore, which nets a TON of resources like primogems. It makes it possible to get a very fast start to the game.
I started in 4.4 :(
Feel ya i started 4.4 im glad i can even reach floor 11
3.7 still the hardest no joke
i will never forget 3.7
I dont remember which patch it was but there was an abyss with 4 consecrated beasts in 2 waves it was pretty tough ngl but i still agree 3.7 is the hardest by faar
Yep, genuinely the only abyss I had to change my teams to clear. Even as a day 1 player it was hella hard.
@@yassinechronos3829 I think that was 3.6 right?
The trauma
For me 12-1 was BY FAR the hardest, 2 and 3 were a first try piece of cake.
My theory is that they are preparing us with the restrictions for the imagination theatre
yo for me this is the first patch that i could beat floor 12 (even tho it was 0 stars out of 9)
Only sucks because I got on the Genshin train late. By the time I catch up, they're going to raise the difficulty before I get a chance to enjoy being on top! LOL
idk, i don't see that much of a change yet. i'd say the difficulty is not so dissimilar to 3.7 abyss. also - even though we don't know how significant it'll be - we will get a buff from the other new endgame content.even in abyss as far as i know once it's out, so that might also reduce the difficulty a bit. Probably 4.8 will be difficult as well and then 5.0 will be easy again. hoyo really likes patterns and this is the pattern that they've seemingly went for the last few versions. I would love for abyss to go even harder. I'm perfectly fine if i **can't** 36*. I don't have to. It's good if i have something i can work towards. But at the moment that's not the case. Well, ok, i'm not gonna say this abyss was easy. Or that i always breeze through abyss. But it's always pretty doable even though i play on an account with a self-imposed challenge.
Aww, I started in 4.5 and still struggle with floor 10. Once I reach floor 12 I bet its difficulty will be increased again.
People thought it would get harder after 3.7 but it didn't. Patches after it had easier Abysses and It literally remained the hardest in history until this 4.7 Abyss. So I think you'll be fine since there'll likely be an easier one after this.
I love your videos so much Eakes❤
Wow last time I checked u where at 60k ur growing like crazy and you deserve it 🎉
Keep in mind, if you can get all stars for floors 9, 10 and 11 then you've earned the same rewards that 36* used to give, and floor 12 is basically 200 bonus primos. And the current floor 12 does not feel 33% harder than the previous floor 12 (ymmv). So overall I think everything is still in line.
You get less. Since it doesnt reset as much now, you actuly lose primos.
@@Bullminator The obvious implication is that Endgame was once limited to Abyss, but will now be split into Abyss + Theatre. You do get more primos per month.
@@CytrusyWhen will theater release? I don't keep up to date but I'm itching to try something new
@@Duhgel July 1st, if memory serves.
first time in a long time I'm only doing 33 stars. Might still try for more...
Pattern they seem to like is do a really really hard abyss every once in awhile and then chill, and then maybe 3-4 rotations later do similar.
My nuivillete team couldnt even tell that this abyss was supposed to be difficult like i genuinely didnt feel any difference from the previous abysses until people started saying this was so difficult, in my experience the previous avyss with electro lectors were MORE difficult because they dont spawn these tiny things that whence destroyed eats a portion of their shield plus they take away energy, so i had to bring xiangling in my nuivillete team instead of layla and it really hurt getting knocked around in his charged atk state
The team i used for this abyss was arlechino team in the first half and nuivillete team on the 2nd
This was perfect difficulty level for me, had to do several runs and try different teams but was able to make it in the end.
If Genshin wanted to make harder Abyss because competition, it would be rather very poor decision, because Abyss it's not difficult to fight but just difficult to have better characters/weapons/constellations => swipe your card harder.
My bet is they make it harder because Abyss will give more primos, meaning they need to even those primos for players by making them get less stars.
OMOSHIROI... I fell off Genshin a couple years ago and only returned casually at Lantern Rite 4. Abyss was the only thing keeping me going back in the day. I loved the Floor 11 Electro Zone, Floor 12 Elemental Tide, and that crazy hydro zoo lmao. Actually made players think of different things besides elemental+dps check. Most didn't though so it seemingly was made a one-off. This time maybe not? I sniffed this was coming once Adventurer Handbook had a chapter rewarding growing different elemental characters.
Started in 4.0 complete f2p I was full staring abyss since March that was exactly half a year since I first started playing Genshin. It was rough this time but I made it. I think only 12-1 had significance that the difficulty of it forced me to optimize my moves in multiple ways.
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one struggling with floor 12. I’m lucky to get 1 star now 😬
I think i found the perfect team, since 3.7 i have been 36 starring the abyss with wanderer, and nahida hyperbloom
was prepared for this bc i never even try chamber 3 of floor 12 anymore, i full star chamber 1 and 2 then im out lol
Strange, this was one of the few abyss I could at least complete since no coppelia coppelius bs. Although I had only 30 stars
4:11 "perfect combination of HP and..."HELL This is the worst storm. I cant beat with 5 star and battle past teams on new device 44 ms
6:13 "Us seriously players a bone" content creators aren't the Pay to Play squad. It's the fast-flex and "sell account" who do sales.
Unfortunately, itll probably go back down to being easy when we get to Natlan.
The thing that sucks is in here you need certain characters or constellations but with WUWA it’s actual skill with any characters. I’m so happy we have competition
This guy's so underrated oml 😭
A 3rd reason and my prediction: other than this usually being a harder abyss cycle, we are getting the Imaginarium Theater. I think the theater will be an easier mid-end gamemode that helps teach mechanics (especially with its casual rewards of photo poses) while the abyss can get harder cycles more frequently.
If I didn't sit in yt and insta I wouldn't even know this abbys is consider harder. It's not a flex, I geniuely had massive problems in previous abbys (it took my few days of trying new teams untill I finally beat it; worth mentioning: I'm doing all floors with the same teams, no switching around), and in current abbys I went, I did it, I take my rewards.
The previous abyss needed two great pyro teams without neuvilette so kinda restricted too.
@@whatchasayin9363 True, and I don't have pyro characters. My only build are Bennett, Thoma and Xiangling (who I build for situations like this even tho I don't like her) and I did Abbys with those three. So yeah, it was rough for me.
@@elyonoyle I feel yah. Luckily I got Arlechino so I got one. But even with her, it was really challenging.
Theory: artificially increase difficulty at the end of patch, lowering difficulty at the next X.0 patch to make new characters feel stronger, incentivising people to pull.
Also ASIMON went invisible super fast this time. I could not pop off Eula's burst fast enough no matter how hard I tried (I generally really like playing Eula against it when it's in the abyss)
I ended up having to use Navia instead
I have a burning hate for waves of enemies, if i could i would rather fight 2 bosses at the same time everyday
I still don't understand how we have to fight level 100 enemies but we can't level our characters to level 100. I don't really know if it'd make a big difference in terms of damage but every little level counts imo🤕
meun as a 7 month old player i was finally getting close to almost 36 staring it. got 34 stars last time with just few seconds missing. and then boom, back to just 33 stars, barely getting the 2nd star on each floor
i thought maybe it is harder since it's being updated less frequently because of the new mode, so we have more time to try and clear it
I had to redo 12-1 about 20 times, but I did 12-2 and 12-3 with 20 seconds left first and second try respectively.
They only challenging part in Wuwa currently is the auto targeting and other control bugs. Ok sure if you try to fight lvl 80 enemies with lvl 50 and get oneshot it can also be a challenge.. but if you enter abyss 10 with lvl 50 chars that will be a similar xp..
Last abyss was my first time completing floor 12 with 33* and this time i barely scraped up 30* 😂
This was my first time beating floor 12
I started at around 4.1 and being a mobile player/skill issue/mediocre artifacts im starting to accept that my ceiling is 33 stars for a good while lol
My first thought was that they made it more difficult because thet increased the primos from 600 to 800
genshin difficulty :
Enemy that waste time
Thick as fuck element shield solution lock behind more characters
I hate this abyss ngl cuz it was alr a bit hard but now it’s rlly hard I can’t even beat floor 11 (chamber 1)
If you don't have Kazuha then your cooked
@@justgabe8247 Ik i skipped for Arle I regret it..
As AR59 myself, It made me change my team 1 time after failing it. What I learned is that you need off-field DPSes like Nahida, Furina on one side, cause killing these slimes one by one is rough and the other side bring grouper like Kazuha or Sucrose.
@@MJAY552 ye imma try build sucrose with my mediocre artifacts
I think the theory of abyss being harder for dead patches is spot on for another reason too. There’s about to be a rush of new characters with the new region, and if the last abyss made you struggle, you might be more likely to think you ‘need’ to pull.
I would really love to see someone do the Spiral Abyss Child Run… I mean child characters (Klee, Qiqi, Diona, Sayu, Dori, Nahida, Yaoyao). And see how far they could get. I know there is only seven of them, but that means that one would have to have only three members. Or you could replace the last one with some other young character like Mika. Or with actual Childe :D I think that would be hard AF. And very funny to watch…
I heard (and hope) that end patch Abysses like x7 and x.8 are the hardest and x.0 Abysses starts easier.
I won't even try to do this abyss I have not been able to 36 it at all
Even though this abyss was so much more difficult, it was also my first 36 stat
usually I play with premium teams, and then after getting full star I use random team just for fun. I don't do that this time, this abyss is no fun.
Genshin doesn't really have the mechanics to make harder content. Not only that we have only one way to dodge(no block, no parry, no counter(except Beidou)), it is damage inefficient to dodge in time restricted content. They would need to cook more to give us more fun runs like instead of kill enemies for this much time, survive waves of enemies for this much time or something like that. Even monolith deffence is no different, only efficient way to clear it is group and destroy as fast as possible.
I had to run a jank team for the slimes, they were jumpin my ass for like 20 mins😂
My only problem with elemental restriction is: I only have 3 hydro characters 🥲 Barbruh, xingqiu and Candace. Only one of those is actually good.
I’m still new to Genshin abyss and i couldn’t even beat floor 9 chamber 3
Don't worry i play Genshin day 1 and barely clear floor 11. I can't do floor 12.
I still can't consistently 3 star floor 12, so if they buff spiral abyss then I give up on it altogether
i want them to add slowing water and cooldown reduction...
My observations say that at the end of a patch cycle its gets very hard and at the beginning of a new cycle (4.0, 5.0) its get easier and easier.
New, harder Abyss and upcoming Imaginarium Theater is interesting enough for a Genshin quitter like me. I'm playing WuWa a lot but Genshin cannot compete in the same style. Genshin just plays too differently, for worse if you ask me. I think they should do their own thing and maximize challenging the elemental reaction system. Maybe some way to make more players understand hidden stuff like weak/strong elemental application (Beidou burst activation SHREDS Pyro Lector fire plant summon, like 40% instantly!), internal cooldowns generally + per entity, etc. No way Genshin can just hamfist WuWa style into its game. Not gonna fking work unless they feel like reworking all characters since 1.0, rework elemental reactions so everything is actually viable + feeling dynamic for 2024 standards & moving foward, and give us meaningful amounts of resin to kit out everyone. But they've basically told us to kick rocks on those ideas.
But then again maybe they'll finally spend their tens of millions every month to actually buff up their game. A Traveler can hope, especially after seeing other worlds out there.
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Kk glad u understand
People were complaining the contents aren't challenging until now😅
Yeah, I'm just not going to bother with 36*. 😅 Ngl this abyss feels a little bit like a way to make even more people wish for Furina.
this abyss got me so pissed i closed app and went to play shadow of the erdtree instead
I'm hoping that Abyss doesn't get harder, it's hard enough for me already, haven't even made it to 12-3 because it's so stressful and man,, I'd like more than like. 2 or 3 wishes
love that abyss is getting harder bc i love to try solo/ duo runs! but i have feeling that ppl who do enjoy “hard” content somewhere else and complain about no endgame in genshin, still would no give a fck about abyss and will shting on it. i saw it before so their main focus just to say something bad ab genshin
I think it’s also how hydro catered this abyss is and there are only 3 hydro 4 stars
Legit breezed through it but Yeah I can see a lot of people struggling.
Through some sort of pact with Satan I got Neuvilette and then went 5 pulls in and got C1 and C2 back to back. Good Luck guys!
HoYo heard that their player base likes wuthering through waves and said “hold my beer,” simple misunderstanding
GI only end game is the abyss for 3yrs. IT SUCKS!
Okay thank god I was not the only one thinking this cos I’ve been SWEATING over the ABYSS BRO!!!!! I CANT EVEN CLEAR 12-2
I got neuvillette by accident on his previous banner. And now hes carrying my ass in the new abyss. Ngl its easy psst the first chamber. Cleared chamber 1 with 0 seconds to spare for the 3 star
For me personally, theyve gotten more difficult, but im still able to complete 36 within 30 minutes of attempts for floor 12
This specific patch, i ran nilou bloom
(Nilou, nahida, kokomi, dendro traveler)
And the other half mono pyro with yoimiya
(Yoimiya, c6 xiangling, c6 bennet, c2 kazuha)
Not too meta but i would say i have better than average artifacts
I was playing during 3.7 but i didn't try 3.7 abyss. I've heard people say that that abyss was really hard. In 4.7, I've had problems 36 starring but after an hour or 2 i did it. I thought 3.7 was definitely harder. But now that so many people are saying that this is the hardest abyss ever, i just got a bit more confident
Honestly I think the reason why the spiral abyss is basically difficult in a sense but also doesn’t make the game seem fun is because it’s the restriction on time, if there was a way where we can have the time removed all together or have it where causal and beginner plays have a way to make more time for the floor 12 abyss would make it more enjoyable, plus they’ve done it in events like the one for fighting bosses in a certain amount of time to get a high three star achievement, if they something like that I think it can be enjoyed by genshin community as a whole
No, those types of battles ain't gonna work too bcoz ppl will always complain about everything, good or bad. Even in a very good combat game like WeeWee ppl still complain (I'm one of them) 😂😂😂
well at least trying to keep an open mind…
Seem like it’s not open enough for this one
Wuthering waves didn't prove people want challenge overall, it only showed that some people and most CCs do want challenge but we've already known that since day 1, and CCs aren't representative at all of the community. The hardcore genshin community has always been a minority and they know that, that's why it's not their focus. Also remember that star rail had an even more successful launch, and we all know that game is not about difficult combat.
The most likely reason is because the new endgame mode gives buff to characters and we have twice as long as of a time period to clear the abyss. Honestly, it would have been a huge oversight if they hadn't made it harder.
They should give some strong buffs in abyss so casual players can clear it easily and give an option to not use those buffs if someone doesn't wanna use it(hard core players, whales etc)
So everyone happy happy
Welp. It's a good thing I decided to start ignoring abyss since my last burnout & recent return.
Those few primos they give for 36*? Yeah, no. I'll go ahead and focus on building random characters and teams that seem fun, instead of grinding the same domain just to get a single piece that rolls a little better than the one and shaves off 10 seconds from the time it takes the last stage.
I regret not having festering desire. I joined genshin train late
Ever thought of the possiibility it is a way to sell characters? If you only have Xinqiu, you must pull for another water character, and guess what, the Archon and Uselesswine are comming.
I was 36* all abyss'es up until this one. I cant get 3* by like 5 seconds everytime, no matter how fast i clear no matter how welll I play. I was not bothering 36* when it came out but just now tried again, just impossible. If abyss is gonna be that way from now on just because we now have Imaginarium Theater (that supposedly is gonna be easier, and would give more gems than before if both cleared fully) just so we dont get more gems then we used to, I will have to start pulling for cons and weapons. Guess that was their plan all along by artificially making the abyss harder.
im missing 1 star on the first chamber of floor 12 :(
i had to switch up my teams on each floor
I this at this point we can all agree that limited 5 star characters aren't p2w, and they usually come out ready even at c0, it's a little unrealistic that someone who plays the game for years doesn't have any limited 5 stars at this point, so using 5 star characters doesn't make you p2w since everyone has at least 2 of them. I would agree that you can't say a team is f2p if it consists solely on 5stars, but 1 5star character is almost necessary and mostly when using 4stars you either use the as supports or subdps, or for the second team.
Also I can easily say that c6 4stars smell like p2w and most of the time 4star dpses are just always worse than their 5star contenders, and they require way more investment to get them on part with 5 star dpses. The exception to this is national teams Cuz yk
I’m trying to think why are we frogs haha 😂
I think is hard because of the new end Game, maybe abyss is gonna be the haré one