Panasonic Lumix S5 II Review (from Tokyo!)

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  • čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
  • Chris and Jordan flew out to Tokyo last month to be among the first to shoot with Panasonic's first camera with phase detect autofocus, the S5 II. After shooting on Tokyo's streets and spending some time back home with the camera, what do we think?
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    0:00 - Intro
    1:02 - Sample images
    1:42 - Build and handling
    2:49 - Sensor
    3:57 - Stabilization
    4:57 - Burst rates
    5:24 - Stills autofocus
    6:57 - Video record modes
    7:59 - S5 IIX
    9:08 - 6K Recording
    10:13 - Audio
    10:53 - Overheating
    12:39 - Video stabilization
    13:36 - Video autofocus
    15:34 - Video competition
    16:18 - Low light samples
    16:46 - Stills autofocus conclusions
    18:36 - Competition
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Komentáře • 579

  • @Jgatti41
    @Jgatti41 Před rokem +196

    Jordans run tests are always my favorite. I laugh every time. His facial expressions and how he zigs and zags is hilarious.

    • @marcdornbusch3206
      @marcdornbusch3206 Před rokem +7

      Dedication to the craft.

    • @rockmusicvideoreviewer896
      @rockmusicvideoreviewer896 Před rokem +1

      mine too!

    • @punkrachmaninoff
      @punkrachmaninoff Před rokem +15

      David Attenborough: The Canadian conservative videographer is known to exhibit short bursts of energy - it can be very amusing as they dart to and fro, assured that they are doing what we should all be doing if the rest of us could only manage to understand... This peculiar display of superfluous masculinity is known to researchers as the Jordan Drake auto-focus test.

    • @bmeclipse
      @bmeclipse Před rokem +4

      I feel the introduction of a wild animal behind Jordon would help.

    • @krectus
      @krectus Před rokem +1

      amusing yes, but not the best test. Looking directly into the lens all the time isn't a tough test, needs to look away, turn or other actually do other real world sports movements, otherwise these tests don't really tell you much about how it can lose/gain focus for sports.

  • @stalman
    @stalman Před rokem +7

    Jordan's been trying to tell me how great Lumix is for years, they've finally got my attention

  • @3BMEP
    @3BMEP Před rokem +88

    We always enjoy your videos - and we love that shot at the six minute mark. 😉 Love to both of you!

    • @deanisplemoni
      @deanisplemoni Před rokem +1

      Fantastic shot. 😏

    • @johns997.1
      @johns997.1 Před rokem +3

      His left side is his good side, and so is his right...
      People are still laughing at a joke he told in 1997...
      Mosquitos refuse to bit him, purely out of respect...

  • @pacheaco727
    @pacheaco727 Před rokem +62

    Chris tossing the new pride of Panasonic from one hand to another at 1:45. Gotta love the confidence. 😂

    • @izmargad
      @izmargad Před rokem +5

      It's a ff after all. Chris is regular to smaller lighter m43s. :)

    • @l.s.11
      @l.s.11 Před rokem +5

      Noticed that too - just as he says "gonna talk about handling"! haha

    • @Indrakusuma_a
      @Indrakusuma_a Před rokem +4

      Well, he was swirling a Leica M10 on a wrist strap before without any care in the world, so this is nothing for him ;D

    • @DeeeFoo
      @DeeeFoo Před rokem +1

      @@izmargad Do you happen to know what his primary camera of choice is?

    • @kyspace1024
      @kyspace1024 Před rokem

      Does he ever wear strap?

  • @KarlRock
    @KarlRock Před rokem +98

    Yay! Finally phase detect! I hope it comes to the GH lineup next.

    • @AoyagiAichou
      @AoyagiAichou Před rokem +4

      I'd rather hope it comes to the G line-up (which includes the GH series).

    • @agenericaccount3935
      @agenericaccount3935 Před rokem

      @@AoyagiAichou Only GH worth doing.

    • @AoyagiAichou
      @AoyagiAichou Před rokem +2

      @@agenericaccount3935 Nah.

    • @8bittim
      @8bittim Před rokem +3

      Wouldn't be surprised if they refresh the gh6 with a slight update to phase detect autofocus in a year or two

    • @jijivishant
      @jijivishant Před rokem

      lgta hai aap bhi proper research kar rahe ho

  • @juliancroot
    @juliancroot Před rokem +27

    Jordan's footage of Chris in this video looks gorgeous....I'm sure its 90% skill, but the S5ii really showing some superb potential in terms of colours, dynamic range and overall image quality.
    The crop in 4K 50 is an unfortunate deal breaker for me, but it bodes very well for an S1H mark II. Canon & Sony need to watch out.... this thing is gonna sell.

  • @j.6756
    @j.6756 Před rokem +3

    Retired Leica rep here... VERY well done review guys... I liked the straight-up way you told your story and the professionalism of your photographic skills. Your review is a nice find.... indeed.

  • @edwintam2349
    @edwintam2349 Před rokem +4

    I think the segment of Jordan running towards the camera in every review has to be a highlight!

  • @PavSZ
    @PavSZ Před rokem +2

    Great and very, very thorough review guys! Superb job, as always!
    It was great meeting you in person in Tokyo!!

  • @Swiss_Bohemian
    @Swiss_Bohemian Před rokem +64

    I'm considering an upgrade. I use the S5 mostly for video. The unreliable autofocus drives me nuts sometimes and forces me to switch to my vlogger cam Sony ZV-1, so I'm quite pleased to hear that the S5II has now finally phase detect autofocus.

    • @wtfnahmean
      @wtfnahmean Před rokem +1

      Why did you buy s5 for video if you need auto focus anyway? Doesn't make much sense in this day and age

    • @Swiss_Bohemian
      @Swiss_Bohemian Před rokem +6

      @@wtfnahmean I originally bought it for stills photography and the price in my country with the kit lens was great, so I got it without informing myself about it's autofocus reliability. Mistakes of my youth.

    • @wtfnahmean
      @wtfnahmean Před rokem

      That's fair. Panasonic DFDAF works great for photography, it just can't track objects very well.

    • @Siegs888
      @Siegs888 Před rokem +1

      Try using the S5 on the 1Area+ AF mode and toggling the human/animal detect on. Video AF works much better in this setting

  • @R8135003
    @R8135003 Před rokem +2

    Yet another beautiful camera from Panasonic.
    Loving both sides of the story, photo & video.
    Be lucky stay safe.

  • @MyLifeFrAiurGaming
    @MyLifeFrAiurGaming Před rokem +34

    glad that panasonic finally made the leap, now we can compete with the big boys! it's basically an A7IV on a budget with some features in addition even!

    • @DeepteshLovesTECH
      @DeepteshLovesTECH Před rokem +6

      It's an A7III with 10 bit video. A7III better for sports photography, S5II much better for video.

    • @richrollin4867
      @richrollin4867 Před rokem +1

      The lowest native ISO of 640 is a big negative compared to the A7IV if working in good light, though. However, it's an advantage if you find yourself typically filming in low light conditions.

  • @HuntaDaKilla
    @HuntaDaKilla Před rokem +7

    Huge upgrade. I am hoping a Panasonic G9II is coming. Great video as always, very thorough and useful info to help us make better purchases.

  • @boyantrifonov
    @boyantrifonov Před rokem

    I am watching a lot of Panasonic Lumix S5 II reviews at the moment.
    Yours is on another level!

  • @MicroFourNerds
    @MicroFourNerds Před rokem +16

    Amazing review!! Especially “dfd wibbly wobblies” 😂 So impressed with the s5ii so far! - Emily 📸

    • @daveoum8586
      @daveoum8586 Před rokem +3

      Looking forward to your S5ii videos!

  • @davidoeberto
    @davidoeberto Před rokem +2

    First time seeing Chris and Jordan in the wild. Excellent work. Clear, concise and they nail the key points. Would love to see some cinematic footage examples (cine profiles, cine style lenses) in future videos

  • @cyrfung
    @cyrfung Před rokem

    The color and details in this video is sooooo good

  • @stevenqirkle
    @stevenqirkle Před rokem +2

    I love the filming locations in this review. And as I sit here freezing my butt off, I’m really jealous of the temperate weather in Tokyo!

  • @driverv86
    @driverv86 Před rokem +1

    This footage just looks great. Nice color work Jordan.

  • @FinalManaTrigger
    @FinalManaTrigger Před rokem +7

    I don't shoot video, but this camera is so good it makes me want to! Super impressed with the stabilization and video features!

  • @ChatteringApe
    @ChatteringApe Před rokem +19

    Really nice upgrade. Not just the improved autofocus and stabilization, but the higher resolution viewfinder and full size HDMI port, too. Panasonic is clearly paying attention to customer feedback. And they managed to add active cooling while keeping the same size and price? Didn't expect that at all.

  • @Crypto1337
    @Crypto1337 Před rokem

    That is what im looking for in reviews ... I want the WHOLE video been shot on the camera in review. Finally ! Thanks for this review

  • @Gadgetsjon
    @Gadgetsjon Před rokem

    Great work guys, lovely to see you in Tokyo. Catch you at the next one.

  • @Wave_Drop
    @Wave_Drop Před rokem

    Excellent stuff. Let's go Pana!! 👊🏻🙌🏻

  • @jacobmitchener
    @jacobmitchener Před rokem

    Love the presentation of this video!

  • @olegtigai
    @olegtigai Před rokem +2

    Yes😊. Finally ☺️. So many years I am waited from panasonic camera like this. My first camera was lumix-fz50. And it was great for those times, but after I used many other cameras, because panasonic doesn't have full frame and auto focus was not good, compare even to dslr. And now I feel inspiration. Thank you for the good news and review 😊

  • @thefruit
    @thefruit Před rokem

    appreciate the honesty about the watchtime, i watched longer than i would have and of course liked the video. +i clicked through the video a bunch of times more

  • @timog7358
    @timog7358 Před rokem

    I love the video quality and the sample photos too

  • @teddyroosevelt8870
    @teddyroosevelt8870 Před 2 měsíci

    How refreshing, a camera reviewer who can actually shoot some decent pictures... Well done!

  • @CsiklosMiklos
    @CsiklosMiklos Před rokem +1

    I just want to say thank you. Kicking off 2023 with the S5 Mk2 is the greatest news so far, and I hope firmware updates will bring some more polish to the AF system.
    Now I'll have to upgrade from my poor old Lumix G7

  • @geoffreybassett6741
    @geoffreybassett6741 Před rokem

    Thank you for confirming the punch in while recording! Placed my order.

  • @bardofhighrenown
    @bardofhighrenown Před rokem +7

    Jordan saying Genshin Impact with a Japanese accent was something I never knew that I needed to hear.

  • @ohwhoaitzjoe
    @ohwhoaitzjoe Před rokem +16

    The scenes you provided gave me such a DigitalRev vibe for some reason.
    I miss the Hong Kong scenery that Kai and Lok used to shoot.
    Excited to see Lumix taking a step in the right direction. I just got a GH5ii because of my m43 eco system but I can now see myself moving into the full frame lineup for Lumix.

    • @ZachAshcraft
      @ZachAshcraft Před rokem +3

      Those early days of camera reviews are definitely fun to look back on!

  • @HarryPowerColt
    @HarryPowerColt Před rokem +2

    Finally! I'm gonna enjoy those sick and beautiful Sigma lenses for L-Mount and the Lumix S Pro lenses so much.
    What a gem of a camera!

  • @CarlosVS
    @CarlosVS Před rokem +1

    Love these 2 guys.

  • @shaananwalsh7513
    @shaananwalsh7513 Před rokem

    Thanks for the full disclosure at the beginning of the video. Full disclosure makes a big difference.

  • @ShawnPBruce
    @ShawnPBruce Před rokem

    I’ve loved my S5. Definitely picking up the S5IIX later this year.

  • @cosyspeed1441
    @cosyspeed1441 Před rokem

    The wait is finally over😍

  • @ValueTech
    @ValueTech Před rokem +1

    It was a pleasure meeting you :)

  • @gomichaeldo
    @gomichaeldo Před rokem +8

    I have to say, the video quality on this is incredible. Been watching you two for too many years and this is the first time I remember where I've really been taken aback by the video quality and color. Great stuff @dpreviwTV and @PanasonicLumix

    • @Democratiser
      @Democratiser Před rokem +1

      I thought the same and it is interesting I’m not alone. There seems to be something quite special about it.
      I’d be interested in the views of Jordan and Chris. Maybe it is some secret colour grading sauce that Jordan has been cooking up?!?

    • @sliceofmymind
      @sliceofmymind Před rokem

      The video quality has always been great on the S line of cameras and the S5 II footage looks identical to what the S5/S1 delivers. The only real improvement (which I am not complaining about at all) is the PD AF.

    • @thatjordandrake
      @thatjordandrake Před rokem +1

      @@Democratiser V-Log is my favourite log profile to work with, and I've been using it for years. No secret sauce, I'm just very used to how it responds. My starting point is Panasonic's 'NICEST' LUT, really takes advantage of the DR.

  • @MECamping
    @MECamping Před rokem +2

    Really lovin to see Jordan running, maybe its time for a "Best of Jordan´s running sequences" 😂
    Once again, thanks for a great and honest review.

  • @mattmaddox9367
    @mattmaddox9367 Před rokem

    Super cool. Can’t wait to see the review for the X when it comes out! Thx

  • @andrevvve
    @andrevvve Před rokem

    Such a great review!!

  • @Durio_zibethinus
    @Durio_zibethinus Před rokem +1

    Yo, Chris. Your photos in this video are very vibrant, contrasty, and nicely composed. Plus you get a good, natural moment which is separating you from snappy shooters with an expensive gears.
    The lady with her shiba inu, tired man wiping his face are my favourites.
    Hope you get a peaceful treaty with 'karasu' tho.

  • @hendrixg
    @hendrixg Před rokem

    Love seeing them in new locations. Send them to the ends of the Earth with the latest gear!

  • @romanpul
    @romanpul Před rokem +21

    Very impressive that Panasonic managed to pull off such an improvement to their AF system. And for the price it’s almost a nobrainer.
    Also nice portrait of Huge Brownstone (3 blind man and an elephant) you got there

  • @radialmonster
    @radialmonster Před rokem

    thank you for shooting the video of the camera you're reviewing with the camera you're reviewing

  • @edwin_ac
    @edwin_ac Před rokem

    Excellent review!

  • @joits
    @joits Před rokem

    Not even interested in the camera itself but watching because Tokyo! How awesome that they flew you out there!

  • @MgarrKid
    @MgarrKid Před rokem +1

    Love your reviews guys, considering it was a fully paid trip and a brand exclusive, you were quite fair and impartial. Your biggest fan from the tiny island of Malta and even tinier village of Mgarr....

  • @qbgabe12
    @qbgabe12 Před rokem +7

    Cant wait for GH6 IIX with PDAF sensor 🤤

  • @JoshPostVlogs
    @JoshPostVlogs Před rokem

    Shout out to Hugh at 6:00. Great review as always!

  • @alimzazaz
    @alimzazaz Před rokem +7

    Panasonic really hit a home run with this one. It feels like the a7iii launch event all over again.

    • @wtfnahmean
      @wtfnahmean Před rokem

      For Panasonic yes it's a huge deal they're finally doing phase AF. The rest of the world? not so much. A73 drew so much attention because it was the first entry level full frame camera that could do pretty much EVERYTHING with no particular weakness. They fixed their previous gen issues (like shit batteries, bad ergonomics and sub-par AF), slapped a bsi sensor that kills in low light, and jam-packed with latest features in a 2grand body. It was a no brainer at that time

    • @michaelbell75
      @michaelbell75 Před 7 měsíci

      @@wtfnahmean The S5II kills the a7III in everything and beats out the a7S III for video, especially in low light and IBIS. It's the same price as the a7III was FIVE years ago and a whopping $1,500 cheaper than the a7S III. It's insane that the S5II is the same price and that the a7III price has not dropped at all, but thats typical for Sony, who has overpriced everything. So yes, the S5II is a big deal, especially priced at only $1,700 for the holidays and you can bundle it with a lens for practically nothing extra. It's an absolute steal and the best bang for the buck by far.

  • @DanC
    @DanC Před rokem +19

    Man I could definitely go for one of these if I was needed a hybrid full frame, it's a really compelling package.

    • @tyronnezx
      @tyronnezx Před rokem +2

      Just do it man

    • @DanC
      @DanC Před rokem +1

      @@tyronnezx tempting but I'm very invested in m43 glass and am planning on picking up the OM-1 later this year.

  • @villemononen5303
    @villemononen5303 Před rokem +2

    PHASE DETECTION! FINALLY! Good job Panasonic. This one is VERY tempting. Although i wasn't 100% convinced on the accuracy of the phase detection, especially when Jordan was being filmed. But still, nice improvement over contrast based. This look very tempting indeed...

  • @charlesn
    @charlesn Před rokem

    Ugh, I miss Tokyo. Great review guys! Also fun to see some cross talk with Josh Yeo; he's a crazy talented dude.

  • @computerjantje
    @computerjantje Před rokem

    Great review. Thank you very much

  • @angeloplayforone
    @angeloplayforone Před rokem

    Great video Guys.

  • @JoeS5263
    @JoeS5263 Před rokem +1

    Excellent review! I own a G9 ... waiting for a micro 4/3 camera with PDAF. But even so the S5 II is tempting. I just hope Panasonic brings this improved autofocus to m4/3.

  • @safemode8598
    @safemode8598 Před rokem +1

    Wow, this video looks amazing, is it the camera or is it just beautiful Japan? This is the best looking video DP ever done.

  • @THESUPERNATURALFILES
    @THESUPERNATURALFILES Před rokem

    I've been backwards, forwards. For hours in the last 3 weeks looking at getting a couple of new cameras for my documentary film work. I ran across no recording limits. with less features or most features with recording limits and overheating. It seems I have now found. The perfect solution. 2 of these will suit all my production's needs and eventually to be joined with the S1H Great review as always. guys KUDOS🙂

  • @simonwilliams2109
    @simonwilliams2109 Před rokem

    Thanks Chris and Jordan.

  • @asecretboss
    @asecretboss Před rokem

    I’m liking the color grading in this video.

  • @NeonShores
    @NeonShores Před rokem +8

    My S1R has been great for stills, but been hesitant to fully buy into the L Mount system and spend money on lenses. Also having unreliable AF for self filming and run and gun situations also kept me from buying a second body.
    Luckily I was patient and Panasonic is rewarding that patience with some rad new cameras. Very interested in seeing the mark II line of the S1 too.

  • @brucegraner5901
    @brucegraner5901 Před rokem

    Very good review.

  • @gsrox2007
    @gsrox2007 Před rokem

    1:43 looks like an indoor studio set! Insane natural light!

  • @mrcinemagrouppy
    @mrcinemagrouppy Před rokem +1

    Thanks for this in depth review. I have the S5 and like it alot, will be getting this (or the "X") just for the full hdmi port and improved AF. PS..wanted to see you taking glam shots and Jordan in a Banff blizzard with s5mk2.

  • @kokesjohn
    @kokesjohn Před rokem +2

    I really like the color science of a tiny bit pink tone to the video which makes people, events, etc. more pleasing as compared to the sony which has a tiny bit of blue to its color science. So many great video features too. Panasonic has always been famous for their camcorders and I believe they are pushing hard now to get to that level again. Bravo Panasonic in this price point ! 🙂

  • @foodiesalasmr
    @foodiesalasmr Před rokem

    You guys are my favorite 👍

  • @memorjalizafilms3002
    @memorjalizafilms3002 Před rokem

    That's a beautiful image damn

  • @chiquita683
    @chiquita683 Před rokem

    Stunning

  • @toutsen
    @toutsen Před rokem +1

    I shared this story on Potato Jet's review, but I thought I'd share it again. I recently had to sell my A7IV due to a family medical emergency and I was devastated. I loved my Sony as it was a replacement for my first camera, a Panasonic GX85. I was a huge fan of Panasonic, but the AF on my Sony was untouchable. After learning about the S5II, I don't feel so depressed about not having my Sony anymore. I now have an excuse to go back to my first love, Panasonic, and now have similar AF performance. There truly is a light at the end of every tunnel and things aren't so bad! I still have to overcome some financial struggles to buy a new setup, but I have something to look forward to. Life is 👍!

  • @Ulrich.Bierwisch
    @Ulrich.Bierwisch Před rokem +3

    This seems to be the best camera for Vlogger who move a lot with the camera in the hand and show product close ups. The camera and the lenses are perfect and have everything needed.
    Nobody has to switch system immediately but I see a number of those "Why I switched system ..." videos incoming.

  • @AnahatNaad
    @AnahatNaad Před rokem +1

    3:57 this frame looks amazing 🤩. Wow simply wow. AF is locked on to his face without any hunting. Colours are good. Will definitely buy this camera after couple of firmware updates.

    • @fredriksvard2603
      @fredriksvard2603 Před rokem +1

      My thoughts too, judging by review videos the af still misses too often in it's current state. I think it needs to rival canon and sony to be tempting given how limited the lens range is compared to those systems.

  • @ScottJWaldron
    @ScottJWaldron Před rokem +1

    Great video as always! I'm glad Panasonic decided to join the PDAF party. 😄 14:02 those background lights look good with AF on! (no jitter)

  • @bdssoaz
    @bdssoaz Před rokem

    What a great camera! PDAF finally!!! Hands down, the best FF camera for the price.

  • @Estirvana
    @Estirvana Před rokem

    Those colours, wow.

  • @trym2121
    @trym2121 Před rokem

    Panny pony of hope is no longer blurry! Congratulations Panny and Panny boys!

  • @johnnysimandjuntak
    @johnnysimandjuntak Před rokem

    @10:00 , Jordan, You just spoke out the name of the dopest game ever created 🎉

  • @KONAMAN100
    @KONAMAN100 Před rokem +1

    Nice portrait of Hugh at 17:23

  • @picospace
    @picospace Před rokem +1

    Amazing

  • @jlwilliams
    @jlwilliams Před rokem

    16:20 cue the film-noir music for soulful Chris montage. Love it!

  • @peteserrata9867
    @peteserrata9867 Před rokem

    Super soft review boys. Reminds me of the Yugo, was an excellent car for its price point.

  • @zodiacfml
    @zodiacfml Před rokem

    1:31 amazing shot!🤩🤩

  • @ThePhotographyHobbyist
    @ThePhotographyHobbyist Před rokem +1

    7:01 Eggslut? That dirty bird! :) Oh yeah, glad to see Panasonic adding PDAF. I enjoyed my old GH2, GH5, G9 and a few others in the past. Even the old G2.

  • @8bittim
    @8bittim Před rokem +17

    Panasonic is my favorite camera company. I have extensively used their s5 and I'm so happy they added phase detect into their s5 ii. Way better value than canon or Nikon imo. For people who want nothing but the best I'm sure canon still offers more for more money but for the average Joe like me, this beats what Sony and Nikon are offering. This thing is built like a tank too

  • @loadedvideo
    @loadedvideo Před rokem

    Well done!!!

  • @tyronnezx
    @tyronnezx Před rokem +1

    WOOHOOO! Phaase Detect!!!!!

  • @benja1378
    @benja1378 Před rokem

    I'm hyped!! :D

  • @worldexplored5300
    @worldexplored5300 Před rokem

    Got that digitalrev vibe for a while there.. 😁 great video!!

  • @nikoolix
    @nikoolix Před rokem +5

    As a photography and Genshin impact fan, great review!

  • @KJAYG
    @KJAYG Před rokem

    Wow it is beautiful there.

  • @moosethemooche9597
    @moosethemooche9597 Před rokem +1

    Welcome to Japan!

  • @raalaa121
    @raalaa121 Před rokem

    Picked up two of these bad boys and traded in my a7r3 ... The video features are a game changer for me.

  • @Oscee613
    @Oscee613 Před rokem

    Welcome to Tokyo (retroactively I guess)! Finally locations that I can recognize 😅

  • @yawningmarmot
    @yawningmarmot Před rokem +1

    After 5 years on the East Coast, it was time to add phase detect. Finally!

  • @synura8086
    @synura8086 Před rokem +3

    The contrast of the Sigma 105mm Macro is outstanding.

    • @dpreview
      @dpreview  Před rokem +4

      Chris and I both fell in love with that lens.
      -Jordan

  • @TITAOSTEIN
    @TITAOSTEIN Před rokem +1

    The perfect partner for my GH6 and OM1!

  • @josephchan4198
    @josephchan4198 Před rokem

    Looks good.

  • @GameProgrammer79
    @GameProgrammer79 Před rokem +1

    The picture and Video quality are just awesome.. probably you can continue to shoot your videos on S5 II. I wanted to see how it performs on Sigma L mount lenses especially the best budget option Sigma 24-70 f2.8 DG DN L. The Panasonic S5 II + Sigma 24-70 f2.8 just awesome combination