no kidding, what's that, 15% throttle at 10k rpms? wtf that's insane also, i thought they'd like a bit of wheelspin? i dont know anything about launches apparently but these look EXTRA slow compared to what im used to? am i dumb?
They are quite slow compared to a usual race start because they're from practice or testing when trams haven't dialled in the clutch settings yet fully. The RB one was particularly bad with loads of wheelspin @@yurilopes420
@@franciscoovarela I heard somewhere that like, the smallest bit of wheelspin isn't bad to get the car moving but then you want full traction might have been about older cars maybe
Will there be a video about 2021 and 2024 Bahrain Pole comparison? Even though the new gen cars are slower, the times are the closest we ever got since the new regs
I believe these are way slower than the real race start. I remembered some races show the 0-200kmh time of first runners during race start (full fuel) is around 4.8-4.9s
1. This is practice start (not max engine mode and we don't know the battery power either, Ricciardo didn't even seem to be putting his max effort either) 2. The tyres weren't in optimum condition they were used and this is after a simulation of race run so expect .2-.3 loss. Also the track is not rubbered in yet. 3. yes the weight slows the car down compared to some years ago and downforce/drag is what slows the accelaration down after 150 kmph.
RB and AM had really slow starts, Lec's was a superb one, even the upshifts are faster, can you see what tires there were on? That may explain why even their launch were at so big a different RPM.
I think Honda is more effective on average because it uses heavier ratios in low gears and closer ones in high gears. Because at low speeds the down force is not maximum yet. However, it is also possible the Honda's engine has over stroke compared to the Ferrari and Mercedes. But of course the technicians know more than me.
The 0-100 acceleration is surprisingly slow. It shouldn't depend too much on weight, it has more to do with tire grip, but in the old days (the 1990s and 2000s) the cars could do it in around 2 seconds.
Ferrari's first gear and sixt gear have higher revs at the same speed, so it looks like it's geared a bit shorter. It helps acceleration, but if both Honda and Ferrari have optimized their gearing with engine power and drag it looks like the honda has a small top speed advantage still.
It still annoys me that we get such poor telemetry and the excuse is ‘durrr it’s that way so the teams can’t watch each other’ the teams watch each other ANYWAY in much higher detail than what we get. Unfortunately most people are stupid and pay 50£ a month for basically nothing
different conditions, plus lot of spin (due to the different temperature, different start line and driver clutch management), so it's not based on the pure performances of PU. One launch could be great, another, crap for all of them
In 0-100 kmh they are unable to unleash all the power, around 2 seconds in 100-200 are impressive. The fastest are the 2004 with values of 3.5 seconds in 0-200
what i hate seeing is the stupid start 'reaction time'. as if that's the only thing that determines your start. what about throttle application? clutch release timing? second clutch release timing? gear shift timing? fuel load, tyre compound, track side? f1 broadcast has gone dumb for americans.
Very slow acceleration indeed. 0-100 in 3.5 seconds is unacceptable, let alone 0-200 km/h in 6 seconds. Is there any GP that allows for 0-300 km/h during the starting straight?
yea starting from zero.. but the n0 from 101 to 250 is very close. its a better a number to look at probably cause it is less influenced by things going wrong at launch. likely also the fuel weight plays a bigger part to overcome from a standstill as opposed to already moving
Wtf? No bro. Literally impossible. In 0-100 maybe but 0-250, NO WAY. Tesla can't get to 250km/h in less than 8 seconds, literally impossible, let out 100 to 250 in 5 seconds, you tripping
Bro these 2024 cars have much slower Acceleration The 2016-2019 and 2000-2005 F1 cars were much quicker Mercedes W12 did 0-250 km/h in 6.4 seconds 0-100 kph 2.0 sec 0-200 kph 4.1 sec Ferrari F2004 0-300 kph 8.4 sec 0-250 kph around 6 seconds or less
best f1 channel but I CANNOT STAND THE FUCKING UGLY CRINGE MUSIC when there is a text on screen, just let us listen to the engine sound, other than that this is peak content, thanks
China Pole Lap 2024 vs 2019: czcams.com/video/lLAhZkBC-AE/video.html
- Why I didn't use Red Bull footage for Honda engine and Mercedes footage for Mercedes engine?
- It's because this TV telemetry has limited coverage.
Where do you get the telemetry?
@@dautsp from TV
@@vichope6408 F1TV, yes.
@@vichope6408 f1 TV?
@@dautsp Extra content from local broadcaster, requiring subscription fee. F1TV doesnt provide this.
Would need to speed it up for the Renault engine
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Maybe it isn't in the video because it never reached 250 km/h 😂
Kek
Renault is GP2 engine 😁
I was about to shout at the screen if you considered the inital traction period, but then you minused it off. Great insight, thanks.
This xD Ferrari on Mediums, RB and Aston on Softs. And Im still not certain if it matters or not in the full 250 run.
@@napsolo3453 and also creator has no clue what eng maps are they using so this comparsion makes no sense at all
Same!
@@texas13252:02 So these numbers are only for reference
@@texas1325 should have just used the race starts perhaps
best f1 channel
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Fr I wanna kiss him
Hands down
Agree
The drivers have to be so gentle on the throttle in that launch phase. very difficult and would require SO MUCH composure in the heat of the moment
no kidding, what's that, 15% throttle at 10k rpms? wtf that's insane
also, i thought they'd like a bit of wheelspin? i dont know anything about launches apparently but these look EXTRA slow compared to what im used to? am i dumb?
They are quite slow compared to a usual race start because they're from practice or testing when trams haven't dialled in the clutch settings yet fully. The RB one was particularly bad with loads of wheelspin @@yurilopes420
@@yurilopes420 No you don't want wheelspin because that makes it slower
@@franciscoovarela I heard somewhere that like, the smallest bit of wheelspin isn't bad to get the car moving but then you want full traction
might have been about older cars maybe
@@franciscoovarelaYou want wheelspin but a certain percent of it, it's needed to do a perfect launch in any car.
Oh that sweet, sweet Honda sound... I never get enough of it - Don't know why. Just like the sound
Yea. And that characteristic turbo whistle
It sounds throatier than the others, the 2019 RA619H is my favourite
Honda sounds like a real turbo V6, much more raw than others, it reminds me of the 80s turbo engines in F1
The Honda sound is sweet. So satisfying
@@Trippenzoid everybody has a different opinion please respect that
fr Honda engine sounds raw and old school like a real V6 turbo, kinda reminds me of 80s F1 turbo engines
I would like to believe the Renault powered car are still being towed to the grid when others are strting.
Great work--thanks!
Will there be a video about 2021 and 2024 Bahrain Pole comparison? Even though the new gen cars are slower, the times are the closest we ever got since the new regs
100-250 is very interesting, there's no wheel spin no throttle control, pure full throttle power comparation
All 4 HONDA's has the their engines on low still
Ferrari fans rn: Pls don't do this... Don't give me hope...
It’s pretty well known that ferrari makes the more, although just slightly, powerful engine.
Would love to know the gear ratios or wry team uses
can you do comparison video between leclerc q2 with sf24 vs leclerc lap in sf23?
The aston martin sounds like 2015 ferrari
damn that's true it's almost completely the same
I miss that engine, i wish they didn't have to change the turbo to get competitive
I believe these are way slower than the real race start. I remembered some races show the 0-200kmh time of first runners during race start (full fuel) is around 4.8-4.9s
Nice comparison!
What is the f1 teams telemetry refresh rate
Great vid
Of course driver skill/experience is a part of this too. Fernando is possibly the greatest starter in F1 history
1:47 I like this song a lot, what’s the name of the music?
Overall Honda engine is the best 💪
Can you compare 2024 vs 2023 plz? Love your content!
I love this channel
100-250 is fair imo
pity that we didn't get all onboards from all teams, that would say something about their drag levels as well perhaps
0-100 in nearly 3 sec and 0-250 in nearly 8 secs?
I'm ashamed and embarrassed of state of regs F1 and LM have reduced it to.
1. This is practice start (not max engine mode and we don't know the battery power either, Ricciardo didn't even seem to be putting his max effort either)
2. The tyres weren't in optimum condition they were used and this is after a simulation of race run so expect .2-.3 loss. Also the track is not rubbered in yet.
3. yes the weight slows the car down compared to some years ago and downforce/drag is what slows the accelaration down after 150 kmph.
this is free practice, they are not using full power of the engine
they probably had a quite a heavy fuel load, which when launching off matters a lot
watch the race tomorrow and you will see full throttle.
Ferrari had more grip because sunny condition
Missed opportunity to show Alpine. That way, you would've reached the 10-minute mark needed to include adds in the video
That alonso start was smoooooth
The old man still has what it takes !!
Impressive and Ferrari with medium
What is that outro music?🔥
Great
RB and AM had really slow starts, Lec's was a superb one, even the upshifts are faster, can you see what tires there were on? That may explain why even their launch were at so big a different RPM.
HONDA had all 4 engines on low still. Confirmed by Sam Collins on F1TV
I think Honda is more effective on average because it uses heavier ratios in low gears and closer ones in high gears. Because at low speeds the down force is not maximum yet. However, it is also possible the Honda's engine has over stroke compared to the Ferrari and Mercedes. But of course the technicians know more than me.
Would love to use the intro background music for a sample. Name por favor???
ik youre reading comments...
Confident Kurt - TrackTribe
@@yelistener ah yes, youtube audio library, one of the best producers 😂
Also drag comes into play here!
What about Alpine/Renault?
Alonso short shifting the FO😂😂
Summary:
Team: 100km/h -> 250km/h (Diff between 100km/h and 250km/h)
Ferrari: 2.80s -> 7.80s (Diff 5.00s)
RB: 3.52s -> 8.56s (Diff 5.04s)
Merc: 3.04s -> 8.28s (Diff 5.24s)
The 0-100 acceleration is surprisingly slow. It shouldn't depend too much on weight, it has more to do with tire grip, but in the old days (the 1990s and 2000s) the cars could do it in around 2 seconds.
That VISA sounds sick! 🔥
Wouldnt aero have impact on acceleration ?
Nope not at all below 250 km/h
Ricciardo's start was terrible😂
The driver matters as well
Ferrari's first gear and sixt gear have higher revs at the same speed, so it looks like it's geared a bit shorter. It helps acceleration, but if both Honda and Ferrari have optimized their gearing with engine power and drag it looks like the honda has a small top speed advantage still.
The Ferrari engine is the most powerful one, it was last year as well. RB achieved a higher top speed thanks to it's triple DRS effect
Leclerc achieved the fastest speed so yeah, ferrari engine is a beast
It still annoys me that we get such poor telemetry and the excuse is ‘durrr it’s that way so the teams can’t watch each other’ the teams watch each other ANYWAY in much higher detail than what we get.
Unfortunately most people are stupid and pay 50£ a month for basically nothing
This one show how is good Red Bull's team about Aerodynamics
It really depends on the try
Bruh what can anton doing in ur logo
DR had his usual shocking start.
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Different times of day for Ferrari
different conditions, plus lot of spin (due to the different temperature, different start line and driver clutch management), so it's not based on the pure performances of PU. One launch could be great, another, crap for all of them
The 100 to 250 time is more relevant, but teams are probably not using the most powerfull engine maps
ferrari make the best engine
In 0-100 kmh they are unable to unleash all the power, around 2 seconds in 100-200 are impressive.
The fastest are the 2004 with values of 3.5 seconds in 0-200
Where Alpine 😭?
No footage with this telemetry. I doubt their numbers matter this season anyways lol
30hp down
At the back of the grid
Red bull was short shifting looked like
That RB start was horrible
short shifting
So the 0-100 is where the real difference is Made.. something they most likely do just once a race…
alonso is so good man
Ferrari engine is always the best 💪
another good comparison would be 100 to 250
They're at the end of a race run with f*ed rear tyres. That's why it's so slow.
what i hate seeing is the stupid start 'reaction time'. as if that's the only thing that determines your start. what about throttle application? clutch release timing? second clutch release timing? gear shift timing? fuel load, tyre compound, track side? f1 broadcast has gone dumb for americans.
I see you left our Alpine's Renault engine. I assume because it does not reach 250km/h. 😂
You put an Aston Martin for the Mercedes engine
Прижимая сила ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And Renault?
formerly f1 better than now
Where is Mercedes as per this video title ?
In the Aston
So you completely ignored the downforce, drag, fuel, set up and all other variables and are just shooting in the dark.
ferrari rocketship
Ferrari on mediums still quicker
That's incredible Ferrari's motor be faster!
Very slow acceleration indeed. 0-100 in 3.5 seconds is unacceptable, let alone 0-200 km/h in 6 seconds. Is there any GP that allows for 0-300 km/h during the starting straight?
try by yourself to put down 1000hp on rwd without any automatic launch control....
crazy gaps
yea starting from zero.. but the n0 from 101 to 250 is very close. its a better a number to look at probably cause it is less influenced by things going wrong at launch. likely also the fuel weight plays a bigger part to overcome from a standstill as opposed to already moving
Renault?
MotoGP is faster than Formula 1 in the 0-300 straight line and quarter mile
Renault engine is so slow it wouldn't even register onboard on a camera. It would take about 2-3 business days for that to accelerate. 💀
Well They didn't Include Renault Because We know why
Down 20 hp, not worth showing.
It's crazy how in today's world you can buy a family car that has faster acceleration than F1 car
Wtf? No bro. Literally impossible. In 0-100 maybe but 0-250, NO WAY. Tesla can't get to 250km/h in less than 8 seconds, literally impossible, let out 100 to 250 in 5 seconds, you tripping
Why the f would you do that in a family car?
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They all using the dirty side of the FL ;)
Ferrari teste temperature chaude a 250klh nuit plus froie😧 meme avec super soft 😎 et aussi quantites d essences pas la meme😎
Mmm interesting so -
0-100 a Chiron ss would be faster
开哥？😮
What? You Need to compare with same time and same Tyre. LOL
daniels start wasnt a great one...
Why isnt the superior renault in there? 🤣
Its over alpine bros.
Bro these 2024 cars have much slower Acceleration
The 2016-2019 and 2000-2005 F1 cars were much quicker
Mercedes W12 did 0-250 km/h in 6.4 seconds
0-100 kph 2.0 sec
0-200 kph 4.1 sec
Ferrari F2004 0-300 kph 8.4 sec
0-250 kph around 6 seconds or less
aerodynamics are for people who don't know how to build engines 😂
lower engine modes tho
Why not compare Mercedes, actual redbull and Ferrari smh
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best f1 channel but I CANNOT STAND THE FUCKING UGLY CRINGE MUSIC when there is a text on screen, just let us listen to the engine sound, other than that this is peak content, thanks
That Ferrari sounds like shit. I hope Leclerc can manage it.