Happy to know that I got the faster version. In every day jammed Tokyo life this gear box is just fantastic, the automatic sports mode is also surprisingly mad fun. I surely wouldn't want more power. Only negative is a couple of plastic rattles that recently appeared and really spoil it when driving slow. So I'm forced to drive fast all the time now so the tuned exhaust gently installed by my naughty Audi dealer (worth every penny) drowns them.
@DonSLK "Takes out even more possibility of driver error." thats exactly the problem. the whole point of racing is to see which drivers make those errors, and reward the ones that dont.
you have one clutch for 1-3-5 and one for 2-4-6 and it takes away lost time in neutral because when you're in first, the other clutch is already on the second,so you don't lose time... it's a bit technical but it works
I'm willing to bet good money that little difference is time has more to do with variations in driving style and the line taken through corners, and less so than the transmission used. Granted, the DSG can definitely change gears faster...but since it operates like a sequential transmission (except in auto mode, where it can skip gears such as 3rd to 6th) you can't just downshift or upshift directly into the gear you want.
They can't really say the DSG is faster because you can't compare lap times when they're so close together. Driving technique obviously can't be duplicated.
Since the DSG has two clutches, does that mean they have to be changed like in a normal manual transmission car? except instead of one clutch you have to change both?
DSG gear box ftw! i have to say dsg is the future of cars and racing as we know..no one who cares the slightest bit about track days and lap times will ever want to remove there hand from the wheel press a clutch and change gears not to mention its much safer but honestly in daily driving i dont think 0-75mph times have all that much noticeable difference between them
I have a Mk V Golf GTI with DSG. It's not a semi-auto. It is like an automatic gearbox (the paddles are optional... you don't need them) just without jerky gearchanges. If you select "S" it keeps the car in lower gears when cruising (stays in 3rd when I am going 60mph/100kph for example). That way you will even be quicker when you floor it. So: I have a DSG. Had manual before, and never want to go back :D
I'm the same way. These new dual-clutch automatics are exceptional when it comes to speed and precision, but I think it just sucks all the fun out of the car. I'm willing to sacrifice a fraction of a second from 0-60 for more entertainment. My left food needs something to do, dammit! :P
Context is important though. I'm guessing if she was a little more practiced with the DSG, she could improve her time. She seemed to have to think about it when she was using it. More importantly, that track didn't look like it had a lot of significant turning/speed changes and thus less significant gear changing. And that's where you make up your time. I mean, she made up that half second in *one* turn. Imagine if that track had 4 turns like that?
A DSG box gives you both benefits of an auto and a manual i.e, you dont have to keep your foot on the clutch or keeep changing to neutral in slow moving traffic
ok i know im aiming high a little bit but could any1 tell me if this car is suitable for a first car? bc in 5 months more im getting a liscence and my parents told me i can get any car i want under 30k and this is my first choice please reply ty
thats not much of a gain over the typical manual gear box but i guess its really just a preference of rather you want the paddles or a shifter, personally i would take the shifter :P
Problem with the DSG is can't clutch in for handbrake turns. Weight is also a bad thing. On the other hand it's easier to left foot brake and no more missed-shifts.
That's like asking why would you choose a manual over an auto. The DSG allows you to choose where and when you want to up or downshift just as you could with a manual, but you can do it faster, and focus more on the driving aspect instead of worrying about the clutch and gear shifts all the time.
What are the odds of getting the exact time with the same vehicle around the lap? I don't think this is a reliable test at all in determining which is a better gearbox around on the track.
TING TING TING If you're a racing driver like Ms. Butler-Henderson here is, its not a matter of odds. Posting lap times consistent down to a 10th of a second one after the other is what they do for a living. If you can't consistently post fast laps within a 1th of a second off each other you pretty much absolutely suck as a racing driver. As a reference, I'm just an amateur and a sucky one at that and my lap times are consistently within one second off each other at the most.
Agreed DSG is smooth, efficient, fast etc etc... but only a manual gearbox can REALLY make you feel involved with the drive.... and total mastery over the car. Do you really want to go half a sec faster and miss out on: Kicking the clutch to encourage higher revs while exiting a corner The mechanical feel of slotting gears HEEL AND TOE downshifting!!!!... God its cool Almost endless burnouts and smoking starts Powerslides!!! Getting laid and being cooler
NO, you're wrong. R-Tronic is the same as e-Gear (Audi owns Lamborghini). This is an OLD single clutch design, a 1st gen auto-clutch manual similar to what's used in current Ferrari's and the older E46 BMW M3 and V-10 M5. All new designs are dual-clutch. S-tronic is just what Audi calls VW's DSG when it's used in an Audi. There's only three real producers of parts/designs: BorgWarner, Getrag and ZF. BorgWarner is the leader by far. Getrag has one in a Dodge and Volvo. ZF does Porsche's PDK
every car i have driven with a paddle shift, new evo, audis, ect. i wished there was a stick shift in it. they are faster in the gear change but so much less fun to drive. i also feel a lot more in control with a regular stick shift. i dunno just my opinion.
I wouldn't spend 2000 € for 0,5 second faster or less. I drive my 6 Manual and i'm happy with that,with 2000 € i put the Sport differential as an optional ! Much better.
i got a question..is a 2.0tsi fun on the track?? i got a track near me home..n we can take our cars on it..its a proper F1 track...we pay n get to use our cars on it..people take their porsches,ferrari, VW r32s...but is an audi tt good on the track?? anyone
@mediarocker543 So ya, my buddy broke his arm in a soccer game and cant shift with his right hand, he had to cause his family a huge inconvenience by finding time to borrow someones automatic.
I prefer a DSG in stop/start traffic to work and back as I never get above 25MPH over 7 miles!!! But if I want to DRIVE, a manual is far better. For 0.4s it's not worth the extra weight, money and vast expense to have repaired. The DSG clutches and control units are not the best in the world.
Its not the same when she is a proffesional driver and when there is a person who is trying to be a pro and buys the Automatic which is more sophisticated techonolgy there for leaving more spaces for errors unlike the Regular manual transmission
i dno bout you guys, but I would rather drive manual any day of the week. It's just more fun, and you feel more "in control". I rented a car when I visited Spain and it was an auto. Didn't like it at all, felt like a passanger!
@aubb91, Any type of automatic or DSG car is a waste. It lets people who don't know how to drive on the roads. Only a /real/ driver would use a manual gearbox. Convenience (comfort in peak hour?) is what causes problems. I myself prefer a manual gearbox in traffic. Only a tool can't drive a gearbox in traffic. Just making a point. If the shoe fits wear it. If that's your argument then the shoe very well fits. Whats the negatives to a manual? Can't drink your coffee, eat or talk on the cell?
Both cars are friggin awesome. I've driven a Golf 5 with a DSG gearbox and it was great. It's so much more relaxed. It does depend on what kind of person you are though.. in terms of what you prefer. I like cruising so..sigh...I'm sorry I just can't take adult women who have pigtails seriously.
@DonSLK , you make an interesting argument, but stick's win just as many races as autos. And to be honest, it takes a real driver to drive stick and win. Autos are for disconnected lazies. There's no fun in an auto. There's no skill in an auto. Save your auto for the dragstrip. If you want to /really/ drive. Get a stick.
So your spending an extra thousand for less than half a second. Thats not to mention that she didn't drive the exact same path as the other one or made a mistake or the wind changed. Thats at least a 1 mile track and the only place a half a second would really matter is on a 1/4 mile race track. So unless you plan on racing its a waste of a grand.
dude she can do better and worse laps but such a great driver can to consistent lap times where the diffrences are between 0.5 - 0.8,9 sec not over 2 sec...
@aubb91 DSG is for uggo nerds man... getting laid is just a side benefit you get by driving manual... or, the correct way, for that matter... In this day and age of exaggerated convenience its nice to see a manual gearbox give the driver at least some involvement in the drive :) I've been driving manual for YEARS and have never ever thought of going auto.. never. You lead a sad life, dude. There's more to life than technology and convenience... where's the passion?
Same principle, but very noticeable differences. I've driven an E46 M3 with the SMG trans (single clutch) and a VW GTi with the DSG gearbox (dual clutch) and the DSG is better (smoother and faster gear changes)... Except for the programming VW did. It won't hold a gear at redline (auto shifts) which really sucks when attacking some twisties.
@Cenon2007 , I feel for him, but to be honest how is it a big inconvenience? Because his parents have to not be on their cell phone or drink coffee while they drive stick? Why can't his parents drive stick?? My dad Drove my manual when I needed to borrow his truck which I hated because it was an Auto. My point stands. Unless you need an auto, (like your unfortunate friend or those who are handicapped (which I think some shouldn't be driving in the first place..)) You're just lazy or incompetent.
Happy to know that I got the faster version. In every day jammed Tokyo life this gear box is just fantastic, the automatic sports mode is also surprisingly mad fun. I surely wouldn't want more power. Only negative is a couple of plastic rattles that recently appeared and really spoil it when driving slow. So I'm forced to drive fast all the time now so the tuned exhaust gently installed by my naughty Audi dealer (worth every penny) drowns them.
@DonSLK "Takes out even more possibility of driver error." thats exactly the problem. the whole point of racing is to see which drivers make those errors, and reward the ones that dont.
Legend has it both cars are still understeering.
you have one clutch for 1-3-5 and one for 2-4-6 and it takes away lost time in neutral because when you're in first, the other clutch is already on the second,so you don't lose time... it's a bit technical but it works
Just bought a 2008 DSG yesterday.. Had a 2006 Manual TT as my last vehicle.. I Miss the manual
I'm willing to bet good money that little difference is time has more to do with variations in driving style and the line taken through corners, and less so than the transmission used. Granted, the DSG can definitely change gears faster...but since it operates like a sequential transmission (except in auto mode, where it can skip gears such as 3rd to 6th) you can't just downshift or upshift directly into the gear you want.
They can't really say the DSG is faster because you can't compare lap times when they're so close together. Driving technique obviously can't be duplicated.
Since the DSG has two clutches, does that mean they have to be changed like in a normal manual transmission car? except instead of one clutch you have to change both?
What a fantastic driver
just ordered a scirocco gt with the dsg gearbox, bring it on!
DSG gear box ftw!
i have to say dsg is the future of cars and racing as we know..no one who cares the slightest bit about track days and lap times will ever want to remove there hand from the wheel press a clutch and change gears
not to mention its much safer
but honestly in daily driving i dont think 0-75mph times have all that much noticeable difference between them
thanks. i needed a confidence boost. The sound of laughter just makes me get up in the morning.
I have a Mk V Golf GTI with DSG.
It's not a semi-auto. It is like an automatic gearbox (the paddles are optional... you don't need them) just without jerky gearchanges. If you select "S" it keeps the car in lower gears when cruising (stays in 3rd when I am going 60mph/100kph for example). That way you will even be quicker when you floor it.
So: I have a DSG. Had manual before, and never want to go back :D
I'm the same way. These new dual-clutch automatics are exceptional when it comes to speed and precision, but I think it just sucks all the fun out of the car. I'm willing to sacrifice a fraction of a second from 0-60 for more entertainment. My left food needs something to do, dammit! :P
is the s tronic on the tt same with r tronic on the r8??
Context is important though. I'm guessing if she was a little more practiced with the DSG, she could improve her time. She seemed to have to think about it when she was using it.
More importantly, that track didn't look like it had a lot of significant turning/speed changes and thus less significant gear changing. And that's where you make up your time. I mean, she made up that half second in *one* turn. Imagine if that track had 4 turns like that?
Manual, of course!
@shadynebey
Yes you can... want to go from 3rd to 5th? a quick double tap will put you into 5th.
A DSG box gives you both benefits of an auto and a manual i.e, you dont have to keep your foot on the clutch or keeep changing to neutral in slow moving traffic
ok i know im aiming high a little bit but could any1 tell me if this car is suitable for a first car? bc in 5 months more im getting a liscence and my parents told me i can get any car i want under 30k and this is my first choice please reply ty
what dodge uses a double clutch gearbox?
@shravanrulez
You rock, nuff said..
No idea where you get those figures from. They are 4k AUD (3.5k USD) without warranty
thats not much of a gain over the typical manual gear box but i guess its really just a preference of rather you want the paddles or a shifter,
personally i would take the shifter :P
Problem with the DSG is can't clutch in for handbrake turns. Weight is also a bad thing. On the other hand it's easier to left foot brake and no more missed-shifts.
can you drift in dsg? I cant find any videos
did she crash the car somewhere because at 3:10 you can see something strange on the left side of the car
That's like asking why would you choose a manual over an auto. The DSG allows you to choose where and when you want to up or downshift just as you could with a manual, but you can do it faster, and focus more on the driving aspect instead of worrying about the clutch and gear shifts all the time.
I love DSG, the more you learn about it the funner it gets.
vicki is badass!
Because the DSG can be used as a full automatic as well. You don't have to use the shift paddles.
@shravanrulez very good point! ;)
What are the odds of getting the exact time with the same vehicle around the lap? I don't think this is a reliable test at all in determining which is a better gearbox around on the track.
TING TING TING
If you're a racing driver like Ms. Butler-Henderson here is, its not a matter of odds. Posting lap times consistent down to a 10th of a second one after the other is what they do for a living. If you can't consistently post fast laps within a 1th of a second off each other you pretty much absolutely suck as a racing driver.
As a reference, I'm just an amateur and a sucky one at that and my lap times are consistently within one second off each other at the most.
Well it's a matter of fact that the DSG accelerates quicker so why wouldn't it be faster?
Manual gearbox give me fun everyday, blast!
Verry blast player.
based on your trottle/speed/braking/rpm it will preselect. computers think fast, don't underestimate them!
@DonSLK , the sad fact is, you are one of the few.
Don't just miss the apex like it's not there
Agreed DSG is smooth, efficient, fast etc etc... but only a manual gearbox can REALLY make you feel involved with the drive.... and total mastery over the car. Do you really want to go half a sec faster and miss out on:
Kicking the clutch to encourage higher revs while exiting a corner
The mechanical feel of slotting gears
HEEL AND TOE downshifting!!!!... God its cool
Almost endless burnouts and smoking starts
Powerslides!!!
Getting laid and being cooler
NO, you're wrong.
R-Tronic is the same as e-Gear (Audi owns Lamborghini). This is an OLD single clutch design, a 1st gen auto-clutch manual similar to what's used in current Ferrari's and the older E46 BMW M3 and V-10 M5.
All new designs are dual-clutch.
S-tronic is just what Audi calls VW's DSG when it's used in an Audi.
There's only three real producers of parts/designs: BorgWarner, Getrag and ZF.
BorgWarner is the leader by far.
Getrag has one in a Dodge and Volvo.
ZF does Porsche's PDK
The DSG is still a double clutch gear box witch is proven to shift faster.
every car i have driven with a paddle shift, new evo, audis, ect. i wished there was a stick shift in it. they are faster in the gear change but so much less fun to drive. i also feel a lot more in control with a regular stick shift. i dunno just my opinion.
DSG= AMAZING
really?? i heard it has the same engine of the new golf gti?? 2.0fsi...interestin..thnks for tht laddy.
there are no clutch pedals the car has two clutches that are both automated
DSG is made to withstand torque and is quite reliable actually
actually the dodge journey has one too, but it's sourced from vw.
I wouldn't spend 2000 € for 0,5 second faster or less.
I drive my 6 Manual and i'm happy with that,with 2000 € i put the Sport differential as an optional !
Much better.
i got a question..is a 2.0tsi fun on the track?? i got a track near me home..n we can take our cars on it..its a proper F1 track...we pay n get to use our cars on it..people take their porsches,ferrari, VW r32s...but is an audi tt good on the track?? anyone
they did this with the Boxster and PDK before.
you can drive me everywhere from now on.
Also 4/10s of a second per lap? You're going to lose by quite a bit in the ned of a race.
DSG is pretty nice, but i still feel like i have way more control over the car with manual...maybe i'm just old school :)
that chick can drive!
@mediarocker543 So ya, my buddy broke his arm in a soccer game and cant shift with his right hand, he had to cause his family a huge inconvenience by finding time to borrow someones automatic.
Nice.
Maybe ill go for the alfa mito. Although very different from this, i like alfas
that is damn true
not as fun i just switched to dsg from manual yesterday
I love the tt!!!!!!!
I prefer a DSG in stop/start traffic to work and back as I never get above 25MPH over 7 miles!!! But if I want to DRIVE, a manual is far better. For 0.4s it's not worth the extra weight, money and vast expense to have repaired. The DSG clutches and control units are not the best in the world.
I don't live in an area where there are traffic jams (hick alert lol), so it doesn't bother me. :P
is 4 tenths worth 2000 pounds extra?
DSG... it's like butter. Smooth and silky, like butter.
It looks like she crashed the S-tronic at 3:12. Anyone else see that?
Its not the same when she is a proffesional driver and when there is a person who is trying to be a pro and buys the Automatic which is more sophisticated techonolgy there for leaving more spaces for errors unlike the Regular manual transmission
in other words. "s tronic is not needed for a thousand bux." She doesn't really change gears that fast on the stick.
i dno bout you guys, but I would rather drive manual any day of the week. It's just more fun, and you feel more "in control". I rented a car when I visited Spain and it was an auto. Didn't like it at all, felt like a passanger!
DSG FOREVER!!!
There is a new version of that engine producing 280bhp
Yeah it's not much of a gain from a rolling start but from a ditch going for the 1/4 or top speed it will quite literally eat the manual alive lol.
@aubb91, (continuation) shouldn't even be doing all that crap in the first place mate. :) Concentrate on the drive. Good luck.
@mediarocker543 Nice!! :)
@aubb91, Any type of automatic or DSG car is a waste. It lets people who don't know how to drive on the roads. Only a /real/ driver would use a manual gearbox. Convenience (comfort in peak hour?) is what causes problems. I myself prefer a manual gearbox in traffic. Only a tool can't drive a gearbox in traffic. Just making a point. If the shoe fits wear it. If that's your argument then the shoe very well fits. Whats the negatives to a manual? Can't drink your coffee, eat or talk on the cell?
Both cars are friggin awesome. I've driven a Golf 5 with a DSG gearbox and it was great. It's so much more relaxed. It does depend on what kind of person you are though.. in terms of what you prefer.
I like cruising so..sigh...I'm sorry I just can't take adult women who have pigtails seriously.
I vote you for president of the world.
@DonSLK , you make an interesting argument, but stick's win just as many races as autos. And to be honest, it takes a real driver to drive stick and win. Autos are for disconnected lazies. There's no fun in an auto. There's no skill in an auto. Save your auto for the dragstrip. If you want to /really/ drive. Get a stick.
...and save your self an extra $1000 bucks...would prob use it for some performance mods :D
Why did she not wear a helmet?
3 pedal for me. I like the clutch control. Oh and by the 3rd lap you will naturally be faster. In long run 3 pedal wins.
@fatla00
Can't be duplicated? Are you kidding me? F1 drivers can do 50 laps and not have more than a half a second spread.
...it's just you...!
Who lit the fuse on your tampon?
haaaaaaaaaa!! thats random but so damn funny.
So your spending an extra thousand for less than half a second. Thats not to mention that she didn't drive the exact same path as the other one or made a mistake or the wind changed. Thats at least a 1 mile track and the only place a half a second would really matter is on a 1/4 mile race track. So unless you plan on racing its a waste of a grand.
So did you change your mind AFTER owning it, or did you simply come out of the closet?
its prob the camera
i wanna give her a test drive in the back of my minivan lol
dude she can do better and worse laps but such a great driver can to consistent lap times where the diffrences are between 0.5 - 0.8,9 sec not over 2 sec...
WOWWWW she is ridiculously CUTE
@aubb91 DSG is for uggo nerds man... getting laid is just a side benefit you get by driving manual... or, the correct way, for that matter... In this day and age of exaggerated convenience its nice to see a manual gearbox give the driver at least some involvement in the drive :) I've been driving manual for YEARS and have never ever thought of going auto.. never. You lead a sad life, dude. There's more to life than technology and convenience... where's the passion?
who knows how she takes her kids to school lol
well ferrari's new cars are only available with a DSG... don't have to think long about why
she'll have you for breakfast behind the wheel my friend.
I'd love to have her on my lap ;)... sod driving the Audi.
Interestingly I actually own a TT 3.2, although it's the hairdresser model.
Same principle, but very noticeable differences.
I've driven an E46 M3 with the SMG trans (single clutch) and a VW GTi with the DSG gearbox (dual clutch) and the DSG is better (smoother and faster gear changes)...
Except for the programming VW did. It won't hold a gear at redline (auto shifts) which really sucks when attacking some twisties.
the best car!!! ;) s tronic UUUOOOOOOOOOO
@mediarocker543 He cant drive his child to school unless he can get a hol d of an automatic.
@Cenon2007 , I feel for him, but to be honest how is it a big inconvenience? Because his parents have to not be on their cell phone or drink coffee while they drive stick? Why can't his parents drive stick?? My dad Drove my manual when I needed to borrow his truck which I hated because it was an Auto. My point stands. Unless you need an auto, (like your unfortunate friend or those who are handicapped (which I think some shouldn't be driving in the first place..)) You're just lazy or incompetent.
0,4 secs.? And that for only 6k's? WHAT A BARGAIN!... ...ehm, not
Not you, Morescratch.