“Graveyard Overdrive” Precon Upgrade | Modern Horizons 3 | The Command Zone 613 | MTG EDH Magic
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Remember when Tarmogoyf was the king of Modern? Those days may be over, but you can still get your fix of Goyf-y goodness in the new Modern Horizons 3 “Graveyard Overdrive” (black/red/green) precon deck! So to help you Jund ‘em out, we’re bringing you our $50 upgrade guide, featuring 10 cards to drive up the power level and 10 cards to leave in the dirt. Soon, the only thing on your opponents’ horizons will be… DEFEAT!
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:04:28 - "Graveyard Overdrive" Precon Upgrade
00:04:54 - Possible Commanders
00:10:36 - Notable Reprints
00:15:13 - Reprint Value
00:18:27 - Stats
00:22:54 - Best Cards
00:26:54 - Upgrade Goals
00:33:48 - Cards to Add
00:51:59 - Cards to Cut
01:02:40 - How The Deck Plays
01:07:27 - To the Listeners
01:10:19 - The End Step: Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
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What do you think of this precon? Any cards we missed? Any cards we suggested to take out or add that you disagree with?
I think a fun bomb card would be morality shift. 7 cost black sorcery that swaps your deck and grave. That and Chainer nightmare adept.
No Conspiracy ? Making every creature Goyf
Incarnation Technique or big dumb card like Breach the Multiverse to mill yourself and Reanimate your Creature
Wreck and Rebuild is so modal for this deck. Either Ramp + Mill or Removal
Buried Alive and Unmarked Grave could be fun too
Always a fan of Aftermath Analyst
I loved everything about this upgrade and agree with the cuts ( though I kept Archon because I added Animate Dead + Reanimate and some other stuff)
Honestly I feel like archon is going to be extremely powerful if you just add some more reanimation
The Card Vicious Rumors, for one black mana, Sorcery
Vicious Rumors deals 1 damage to each opponent. Each opponent discards a card, then mills a card. You gain 1 life.
Shifting Woodland, Aftermath Analyst, Song of the Dryads, Victimize, Cathartic Pyre, Warlock Class, Haywire Mite, Smuggler's Surprise, Animate Dead, Underrealm Lich, and Nihil Spellbomb are all good to include for various reasons. If you want to build on a budget and opponents are slower Treacherous Terrain, the MH2 artifact dual lands, and the landcycling-for-1 creatures are worth a look.
Pernicious Deed is good versus Eldrazi token creatures and Nadu decks but if you don't see those it may be too symmetrical and mana intensive.
I built a dredge version of the deck to go harder after Disa cheating creatures into play: Hermit Druid, Entomb, Burning Inquiry, Sylvan Library, Buried Alive and all the Dredge 4+ creatures and self-mill payoffs like Terravore (a Lhurgoyf), Living Death, Apocalypse Demon, and Lord of Extinction (definitely keep the Maskwood Nexus to make those last two Lhurgoyfs).
For those who try that, two tips: Don't forget to put your dredge creatures from hand to the grave on upkeep with Tortured Existence same for activating Hermit Druid. And don't forget Pyrogoyf sees all the goyf creatures that entered along with it when you Living Death. Haven't tested it yet but Bone Harvest could be great with a dredge creature and goyfs in the grave and Disa in play. As the spell resolves you dredge instead if draw and put the goyfs, that you just put from grave to on top of your library, into play.
I think the Mimic Vat is cool, but too slow to generate value and depends on opponents playing destroy/damage creature removal.
Liliana of The Veil also strikes me as a card that, if you can protect her and get the discard for value chain going, you're likely winning anyway. She's probably very handy though against voltron and commander-centric-combo opponents like Nadu. If you can catch them without low-value creatures in play.
Liliana, Death's Majesty is less efficient than Lilly of the Veil, with a lower ceiling on how good she can be, but the token-making+mill, reanimation and wrath abilities are all pretty good a lot of the time. A couple other Planeswalkers worth considering depending on your deck are Daretti, Scrap Savant and Garruk, Wildspeaker.
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Rachel's face when she said "A 9/10 TARMOGOYF?!" was the definition of pure bliss and joy
It feels wrong to me that there’s no tarmogoyf itself in the precon
They had to leave something for you to get a overpriced reprint set
True, but your creatures make that creature on combat when they connect lol but still, i get it.
If this deck is meant for boomer jund players to pick up, they already have foil playsets to chose from themselves. Plus tarmogoyf isn’t actually that good of a card in commander anyway. If yall want a tarmogoyf, go get one. They are $10.
I understand, but come one. It’s tarmogoyf!! You can’t not put tarmogoyf in a goyf deck!!! It’s literally tarmogoyf!!!
You can use a tarmogoyf token in the 99 as tarmogoyf 😅😅
Burnished heart is an artifact and creature that you can put in your own graveyard for value. pumping your goyfs. You actually cut a few artifacts. Green ramp spell are great, and I think the cut is fine, but it was serving a function. i like a mass discard like dark deal in this spot. same 3 drop but puts everyone's hand into the yard, more types, more discard for our commander, some card "draw/selection". and messes with your opponents plans. You know. Jund.
Buried Alive! Get three lhurgoyfs for 3 mana.
Add Ashes of the Fallen and get any three creatures in your deck on the battlefield.
This card is even in the set xD
@@malloryab Ashes of the Fallen is a GREAT idea. Can't believe we missed that!
You can also bury Polygoyf, Pyrogoyf, and Anger to burn down blockers with pyrogoyf, go to combat and swing with poly thanks to Anger giving haste, then have Disa potentially make 3 more goyfs that will further let you burn people with pyrogoyf
Or 2 Lhurgoyfs and an Anger so they get to attack right away.
Also Morality Shift exchanges your graveyard with your library. So with disa out it basically reads "7 mana, summon your deck"
Conspiracy should absolutely be an add to this deck, it gives that second copy of Maskwood Nexus’s effect Josh said he wished he had!
Ashes of the Fallen is waaaaaaaaaaaay better. 2 mana vs 5 to do the exact same thing
@@Competent_Cobanahow does ashes of the fallen do the exact same thing as maskwood nexus and conspiracy?
@@derekstoll1282 Since Disa only cares about goyfs hitting the grave from anywhere but the battlefield being able to control creature types in the grave is enough.
@@derekstoll1282 So Ashes of the Fallen makes all your creatures Lhurgoyfs when they are in your graveyard. The way Disa works is, whenever a card is put into your graveyard, she checks to see if that card is a Lhurgoyf. If it isn't she leaves it there, if it is, she pulls it out. When you have Ashes of the Fallen in play, Disa sees every creature that is put into your graveyard as a Lhurgoyf when it is put in there.
@@Competent_Cobana for sure, I see it now. I asked earlier because I genuinely didn’t think ashes worked the way conspiracy and maskwood do. But she’ll only trigger after it hits the yard and by that point, it’s a lhurgoyf. Appreciate the follow up and as soon as I read your reply and both cards again, lightbulb went off lol
Breach the Multiverse! You want Jund value? How about a 4 for one and possibly more because you also get all your Goyfs that you mill.
I’m also not a huge fan of them, but I did add Cultivate/Kodama’s Reach to my build because they are cheap and fit in nicely curving into Disa.
The Spree card, Smuggler’s Surprise, also seems really good here with its flexibility giving protection to your board, milling, and drawing a couple cards. It’s also a way to cheat out Archon and something else at a discount.
Yo that Mimic vat tech is amazing, thanks for that! Also kudos for actzually putting evasive creatures in. I cant believe none of the videos Ive seen so far were going that route.
This is the deck upgrade I was waiting for. I know it’s not the most popular but it suits my fancy. I’ve been playing with Coram but once I get all the Gofys I plan to build around Disa.
The undertaker card seems like a sweet one to build around
He's called the Jundertaker.
I built him and I love the deck! very fun to get lots of star power creatures in your graveyard and hit for big damage
Played this deck with some modifications last night. Turn 3 disa turn 4 buried alive puts you in a winning spot
Monster hunter is best played in local co-op with your friends on a 4 inch screen and I will die on that hill
3DS gang
See I played on the 3ds. Mh 4 ultimate is my favorite all time
I took apart a chainer nightmare adept deck about a year ago (space in my carry bag and was pretty bad since it was the first dexk i made when i got back into magic) so many pieces of that deck are going to fit into this one
I pulled Disa in my pre release, been thinking of making something for her to go into. This vid will definitely help!
We also played these decks. Sitting across the Jund player that makes too many tarmogoyfs every turn was really terrifying!
Recommendation for which gameplay vod on your channel to watch?
Can we start using “kindred” instead of “typal”?
- on cards
- seems to mean the same thing
- is a real word
- sounds cool
Warstorm Surge is a Terror of the Peaks effect on an enchantment, While costing 6 mana (5c & 1 red) It gives you another avenue for dealing damage. Also since the Goyf tokens base power & toughness is lord-based you'll get more triggers off of Warstorm Surge.
Yo that Mimic Vat add though! 😍
Love seeing mimic vat included in the upgrade. Love this card.
That Deck Is Crazy 💙💙💙
just logged off of MHR sunbreak and I was befuddled and amused at the dedication to go retro with MH! Murph is amazing!
I actually built Coram as my newest Commander Deck. I think Disa's great, but I just thought it'd be fun to do a Coram Deck 😎
I ran with the same thing. Have been stomping in my group with him. What cards if any did you swap out? I'm thinking of adding Lord of Extinction at the very least for some extra beef for Coram. I added Wight of the Reliquary as well.
@@starquest6512 Lord of Extinction I definitely do recommend, I'm also running/trying out Yargle and Multani, and Titanoth Rex. Other than that, I ended up swapping out most of the cards that Rachel and Murph recommended cutting and instead added in more low-cost 2 ramp spells and a few extra self-mill effects, especially "Aftermath Analyst" and "World Shaper".
@@JaceHubbardJust gonna throw my buddy here: Malignus
@@JaceHubbard I definitely need those 2, I saw it recommended on EDHrec when I plugg3ed the deck in, makes a ton of sense. I like the combination of the two and then also having Deadbridge chant still in for a chance at a good pull from gy
Coram is better with or without upgrading the deck. The trigger is on attack. So you can still attack for 0/5 mill everyone 1 card and then cast or play those cards. It's card advantage.
Is there going to be a tricky terrain upgrade video?
I’m wondering the same thing but they look like they’re revealing Assassin’s Creed now smh
Thanks for help! 🙏🙌
I've enjoyed putting Altar of the Goyf in various Samurai decks I've built. It's not perfect, but something else that buffs creatures attacking alone is usually nice.
Love hearing about your retro gaming endeavors, Murph. Wanted to play some metal slug last month but discovered my psp is now a brick 😥
Maybe get it some dimes. ;)
A weird friend to mimic vat is Void maw!!! It serves both as graveyard hate and combo piece, even going infinit with a simple dac outlet!
A personal favorite pet card I'm going to run for this deck is Cauldron of Eternity. It's downside of whenever a creature you control dies put it on the bottom of your library instead may end up helping Disa then hindering it since you can then later Entomb or Buried alive the goyfs back to the field instead of them sitting in your graveyard. (Check out the new Lively Dirge card from OTJ too). It also comes with a 3 mana reanimate ability that can bring out any other creatures that get put into your graveyard either before the artifact enters or anything that gets milled/discarded afterwards.
"Jund: an essential part of any balanced breakfast" should be on a t-shirt
I'm surprised y'all didn't think of Conspiracy, not the set. It's Arcane Adaptation in black! It's the og "make every creature you own the Chosen creature type". Also surprised not many evasion includes, my personal favorite being Zephyr Boots, gives a creature flying and if they connect you draw a card and discard a card, all things you wanna do. Other than that I love the video and the suggestions you guys made, definitely top one I didn't think of was Mimic Vat. Super excited to upgrade this deck
I feel like Ashes of the Fallen is an auto-include in the deck; 2 mana artifact that makes all creatures in your graveyard Lhurgoyfs
Yusssss thank you, this is the one I bought
Murph and Rachel...great collaboration! thanks for this video
Old stickfingers seems like a win in this deck
I got to cheer with you everytime you mentioned a boomer card to add, that was magical!
Is there a tricky terrain deck tech in the works?
i hope so
Oriq Loremage is perfect for this, you tap him search for a card (preferably a lhurgoyf) and bin it and then bring it back with Disa
On this thread of thinking is Gravebreaker Lamia and buried alive. I also like the idea of Chainer nightmare adept
Good deck, couple of ways to build it buying it
Shifting Woodland, Bitterblossom, Aftermath Analyst, Song of the Dryads, Victimize, Cathartic Pyre, Warlock Class, Haywire Mite, Smuggler's Surprise, Animate Dead, Underrealm Lich, and Nihil Spellbomb are all good to include for various reasons. If you want to build on a budget and opponents are slower Treacherous Terrain, the MH2 artifact dual lands, and the landcycling-for-1 creatures are worth a look.
Pernicious Deed is good versus Eldrazi token creatures and Nadu decks but if you don't see those it may be too symmetrical and mana intensive.
I built a dredge version of the deck to go harder after Disa cheating creatures into play: Hermit Druid, Entomb, Burning Inquiry, Sylvan Library, Buried Alive and all the Dredge 4+ creatures and self-mill payoffs like Terravore (a Lhurgoyf), Living Death, Apocalypse Demon, and Lord of Extinction (definitely keep the Maskwood Nexus to make those last two Lhurgoyfs).
For those who try that, two tips: Don't forget to put your dredge creatures from hand to the grave on upkeep with Tortured Existence same for activating Hermit Druid. And don't forget Pyrogoyf sees all the goyf creatures that entered along with it when you Living Death. Haven't tested it yet but Bone Harvest could be great with a dredge creature and goyfs in the grave and Disa in play. As the spell resolves you dredge instead if draw and put the goyfs, that you just put from grave to on top of your library, into play.
I think the Mimic Vat is cool, but too slow to generate value and depends on opponents playing destroy/damage creature removal.
Liliana of The Veil also strikes me as a card that, if you can protect her and get the discard for value chain going, you're likely winning anyway. She's probably very handy though against voltron and commander-centric-combo opponents like Nadu. If you can catch them without low-value creatures in play.
Liliana, Death's Majesty is less efficient than Lilly of the Veil, with a lower ceiling on how good she can be, but the token-making+mill, reanimation and wrath abilities are all pretty good a lot of the time. A couple other Planeswalkers worth considering depending on your deck are Daretti, Scrap Savant and Garruk, Wildspeaker.
Bump
can you share the list please?
I added Double striker granters. (Disa triggers twice off double strike) and Consuming Blob (tarmogoyf effect that makes copies)
Yep, Lizard Blades is pretty decent here being an artifact creature.
Alter of the Goyf goes perfectly in Omo!
Buried Alive and Final Parting seem like must plays.
Warstorm Surge and Terror of the peaks can be naaasty with the big goyfs
Ugh…. I told my self I was not going to buy and upgrade precons anymore… but this looks like so much fun I currently have brimaz and immotech that I just can’t get to a point that I like to play it.
Deck definitely needs Incarnation Technique. Mill 5 and reanimate for 4 and a black. Can copy and give to someone else to give you a second shot at it. So synergistic.
My problem has been adding more goyfs to the deck without breaking the bank, thank you changelings lol
It turns your general mills into great value!
Coram still enjoys the goyfs in the yard cause they will have huge power. Although a couple of the best ones is prolly still enough
I just copped one for 31 bucks, I'm excited
if you go with lhurgoyf route currency converter is a great card to perfectly time when you want your cards to be put in the graveyard
A weird one to consider also is void maw! It does remove death triggers too but opens the door to nasty combos and silly engines
A deck with split themes, just like n the good old days...!
Got mine for 45 dollars and the deck is just so cool!
Goyf used to be like as expensive as mana crypt back in the day.
One of my personal favorite adds is mesmeric orb because it both mills opponents based on their own greed, while simultaneously allowing you to cheat goyfs from your deck on your untap step
When is you tricky tertian upgrade guide coming out im hype for that one
I remember pulling a foil Goyf from MM2015* I was legit floored by that box, I later traded that goyf away when it was still worth about $250. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
The fact that yall didnt mention Conspiracy for this deck is insane to me. It's a second mask wood nexus but on an enchantment
Yay Murph! YOU rock!
Will you guys be doing an upgrade video for Tricky Terrain?
I'm trying to patiently wait for the Tricky Terrain precon upgrade video, but can yall post it already 😩
Disa is a neat card but the synergies are also mild non-bos. You want diverse card types in your yard but you also just want goyfs. You want stuff in your bin but you’re cheating stuff out of your bin. You want cheap evasive creatures but you also just want goyfs and you again want diverse card types in a deck that also just want even more creatures. There’s a lot to balance when building this one.
If you cut the goyf artifact dont you loose the kindred card type though?
I can't scream it loud enough.... LOYAL APPRENTICE!!!!
I’m not seeing why it’s good
@@A_Father_ Every combat you get a 1/1 flyer to hit an opponent allowing you to get a Goyf. Evasion!
I remember my LGS paying a guy 4k for a set of Russian foil goyfs at peak modern. They sold for 5k. The crazy part is they would actually be worth more now.
Jarad is pretty good too
YES!!! Tortured Existence is so good!!
The cards i miss That you are not talking about are conspiricy, garruks uprising and terror of the peaks
The thing about Altar of the Goyf, and why I kept it, is that you never actually pay mana for it. You are either discarding it to your various discard effects (you should be running a lot), or flipping it directly into the bin. In either case it's 0 mana, and 0 mana for that effect is insane, especially when you're constantly shitting out 6/7s.
Will there be an upgrade guide to Tricky Terrain?
I'm not a frequent listener of this show. I want to say I like Rachel's voice.
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Is Sneak Attack in this deck already? That would be killer. I'm going to be adding a few of these to my Slimefoot and Squee deck. ESPEACIALLY Infested Thrinax and Mimic Vat
i just finised my own disa deck, why not suggest adding the other 5 goyfs? there's 11 jund goyfs you can get and this deck only came with 6. also, all the dredge cards arent a bad idea
Maskwood nexus would be another great addition
If cards get a reprint in commander decks it is wise to wait a month or so and just buy what you need on the secondary market. Especially when there is a reliable way to get your hands on them prices will tank for months. For me it isn't worth buying a precon if the strategy doesn't interest me at all. I just grab some reprints weeks and months later if I need them.
Disa is so cool it's just there are not enough goyfs to make her reliable, I turned it into the other guy and I really want to revisit Disa if they print more goyfs
Oriq Loremage basically becomes tap: tutor a goyff to the battlefield
I would love to see what yall did to this deck with no budget 😬😬
Got this for 52 after tax. Pretty excited about that
What a great End-Step, Monster Hunter is just a great franchise. Love Josh's story about the PS3.
I hope WoTC keeps enabling new archetypes in Commander, as it's always refreshing to have a different and interesting way to play the format rather than going for the strongest standalone cards each time. Whenever there's a high degree of synergy and cards you wouldn't usually see at a commander table, that's a great deck in my eyes.
Ignoring the Lhurgoyf typing, Altar would fit great in a ninja deck since a lot of them attack alone.
Will there be a "Tricky Terrain" upgrade guide?
Not seeing Bitterblossom in the upgrades is a big oof. That card counts for 2 card types, while also making evasive bodies to make more goyfs
The shadow on Rachel’s chest from the mic made think she was wearing a branded shirt they had to blur 😂 took me ages to figure out I was like “what brand would they have to blue out on CZcams?!”
Rip omo vid is last. Hope it comes as fast as this one did.
What would you say the decks power level is after upgrades?
Greater Good is very good in this deck.
a fun fact about Tarmogoyf: the person who drafted the Tarmogoyf (and he did so for money) lost to the card he should have taken in the draft instead. he was playing some sort of spell deck and the spell was in the same pack and that spell killed him and knocked him out.
mindcrank and crucible of worlds would be very nice
I am keeping the altar and no one is gonna stop me xD
I built coram as my commander and i think its absurd. I can make it a 18/5 with haste and trample by turn 3-4
How? What creature is 18/***?
@@paulboulanger00 Yargle and multani
@@matthewjecelin8358you should try malignus, if you already don’t have it in there. Could be bigger than 18 power turn 3 or 4
Disa can cheat in Altar of the Goyf. Disa says "Lhurgoyf permanent." Altar of the Goyf is a Lhurgoyf. Use Entomb, discard, or mill to get it into the graveyard.
Yeah altar is a TERRIBLE removal suggestion. I don't think the guys wrote the script because even they weren't sure as they were saying it out loud
They said that in the episode
Is there gonna be a Tricky Terrain upgrade vid?
Be sure not to go infinite with tortured existence… unless you want to of course lol. 😂
I agree the deck seems to spin on its wheels with a lack of Lhurgoyfs. Most of the time you get nothing. Cards like Necrogoyf, Terravore, Mortivore seem like easy includes. Not sure about Nethergoyf, seems to be not what you want in this deck, besides it is expensive.
Honestly I think getting more changelings is the way to go. Plenty of goods ones to grab and add to the deck. Though I personally hate the art on a lot of changelings
@@kylekopac5685 not sure if that's enough. Only. Times I see this deck shine is when the one that is like terror of the peaks is on the field. I feel the alternate commander has better chances but needs way more than 10 cards to make it work.
@@JavierOrtizBultron your probably right having now gone through them. Might need another 5-10 that are actually good. It's not going to stop me from trying though lol
I became a patriot for squire rn but how does it all work?
Yall sleeping on _Garruk's Uprising._
Tricky Terrain upgrade when?
Infested Thrinax would be great in a Gitrog Ravenous Ride deck. It's not something you would saddle with Gitrog, but it's another great payoff for your gameplan of sacrificing high power creatures
murph and the magictones?
I just figured that Buried Alive == 3 lhurgoyfs into play 🎉 or a potential +3/+3