Tye Guin Great vids you shred and also thanks for the insights on Seaside ! What would be your favorite size in the Seaside? I’m 138 and 5’7. I ride anywhere from 27-29 liter depending on the board. Seaside I’m torn between getting 5’3 or 5’4. I’m in SoCal too. Normally I would think the 5’3 at 28.2L, but I’ve seen your feedback on your other videos on the Seaside and if the 5’4 at 29.8L maneuvers just as well it would be good to have those extra liters. Just worried if the waves get bigger if that volume would hinder the movement. Since you had the 5’3 for a while now would be great to hear an update on your thoughts and favorite size for overall everyday.
that is a tough question. I think the 5'3 will be fine for you. With that said, it doesn't often get big in socal. I would go demo it if possible and see how it paddles and catches waves for you. My brother has the 5'4 and he is my height but weighs closer to 160. Anyways, I personally think the 5'3 is the best size for me in all conditions. When it is below knee high, it would be nice to have a 5'4 but that is more me being lazy. The 5'3 surfs just fine even on 1 ft days.
@@ThomyeSurfs Got it thank you for the heads up. Yea I think the 5'3 would be perfect for me normally but like this week in south bay been super small so makes me want to have the 5'4 haha, but like you mentioned the 5'3 probably will be better all around. For you what is the biggest disadvantage of having the bigger 5'4 vs 5'3? I would imagine mainly when size is bigger the 5'4 can feel a bit clunky and harder to get in / maneuver in bigger waves?
super difficult question to answer since there are so many variables. The first being that I have not surfed either of these boards. The other variables are wave size/shape/speed/ etc, surfer's skill, size of the board based on skill, what the surfer is trying to achieve, and the list goes on and on. With that said, taking everything into consideration and just simply averaging all factors out, I would think the Glazer. Here is why: Suppose the surfer likes a board that is 29 to 30 liters based on their skill. The Glazer would be a 5'4 19.75" wide board and the SciFi 2.0 would end up at 5'8 at 19.125" wide. There are huge hidden differences here which is rocker and distribution of foam. The Glazer has very little and the SciFi as much more. Also, the Glazer will put more foam directly under your chest than the SciFi. Going back to why the Glazer might be better at Bolsa. Bolsa is a softer wave most of the time. Although my two best and longest barrels have been at Bolsa, 98% of the time, it's not that good at Bolsa. And even on those good days, it's not really macking. It's just a really fun, playful, somewhat soft wave. So, based on the typical waves at Bolsa, you want something wider. Width gives you planing power which means you get to speed quicker. So on a soft wave, you get to speed and get in a litter earlier and in some cases catch waves that a narrower board might miss. in this case, the +.5 inches will be minimal but there is the hidden benefit in the Glazer. as mentioned above, it has very little rocker. That really helps with catching waves. Another hidden aspect is the distribution of foam. on the Glazer, you are cramming 29.8 L into a 5'4 board. On a scifi, to actually get the same floating power you have to probably get a 5'9 or maybe even a 5'10. The 5'8 is closer in volume but you lose the volume for the paddling benefit since it isn't under your chest. The last benefit of the Glazer over the SciFi at Bolsa is the fact that 5'4 will feel much loser since there is less swing weight. For advanced surfers who can effectively generate their own speed, even in small waves, the scifi would be better since the scifi is actaully a mild groveler compared to a normal performance board. The Glazer is just a bit more groveler. Seaside a bit more and something liked the Baked Potato, which i consider a desperate groveler would be idea for small crap days. BTW, not burning on the Baked, I love my Baked and looking to refresh it. Having said this, Machado said the reason he made the seaside was to check all the boxes and have only one board. In my opinion, and this is not having surfed the Glazer, the Seaside is the best all around surfboard I have ever surfed. This last swell, I surfed Anderson Street and got 3 or 4 big lefts, 2' to 3' overhead and that board went really well. Anyways, if you are looking for an all round board, get the Seaside. If you just want it for better days, get the Glazer. If you are good and can gouge turns and just need more maneuverability, the Scifi.
it definitely helps to have a baseline. I am 5'8", 145 lbs. the baseline board I started with many years ago was the dominator 5'6". The volume on that board I think was 29L. based on the shape of that board, I knew that if I went shorter on a seaside, more of the foam would be centered in the area of my chest; so, i would want less volume. Think of it like cutting the thinnest part of a baord (nose) which isn't really in the water when you surf or paddle. If you kept the same volume on a shorter board, it would be thicker. very important: Volume isn't buoyancy, it is only a reference for buoyancy. An example would be 2 boards that are both identical in volume but one is made of foam and the other is made of lead. The lead board sinks while the foam board floats. So only use volume as reference. Since i have my baseline, I new that when i went to a shorter board, I cutting off about 4" of my dominator. so, I wanted to get rid of 2 to 4 L. Because I knew the seaside was Helium, I went with 4L cuz helium already floats a little better. it is very difficult though. I have bought plenty of boards that were wrong for me which is why now, I have to demo a board before I buy it. A funny thing, I have ridden a 5'2, 5'3, 5'4, 5'7 seaside and all of them feel great. the 5'7 was a little tighter but on the small day, I was able to catch and turn the board really well.
What (if any) keel or keel-ish fins do you like? You usually go quad on the seaside? Knubster or nah? Thanks bro I’m stoked I found your channel. I’m a biggun’ (6’3” 220-225) and a regular foot but same age, similar waves (brOceanside), etc.
So far, I have only tried 3 keels fins. The very first ones were the K2 Twin Keels which I didn't like in the GoFish. I didn't surf that board for 2 years thinking it sucked. Then I bought the Machado Twin Keels, a much deeper fin, and that thing went really good in the GoFish. It went from the worst board to the best board. I liked it so much that when Rob came out with the Seaside, I decided to demo it. In the Seaside, I use Rob's Quad Keels which I think are all around great fins. I should try that set in the dominator2. The most recent set I bought but haven't tried is Rob's Tri-Keel in the futures which I think he calls the Pivot fins. I get them delivered on Friday so I'll surf them this weekend. They should go good. I like fins with really wide bases. I love Oceanside, wish it was closer. I used to drive down every weekend. for a while when Surfride had all their boards online, I would buy all my board from surfride. I think I bought at least 5 of my firewires there. then when they got rid of their inventory online and I couldn't view it anymore, it didn't make sense to drive all the way down there to just look at boards. I can do that local. Wish they would at least list their inventory. Tomorrow is looking good. hope you get out there. Off shore too at least up here in OC.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks for the thoughtful fin analysis! I tried keels once in like 2009 and it felt so hard to turn that I shined them entirely. Time for a 2nd look because fin design has taken a quantum, space-age leap in the last 11 years. Hit me up on IG (bensman71) if you are coming here to surf 🏄♂️ or want me to do board recon @ Surfride. I’m on FUNemployment so I’ve got LOTS of time 😆. FireWire is selling boards direct from their hub near here too but they sell out quick and are having inventory issues due to Covid. No demo days lately either unfortunately
Hey Thomye, it seams that you had the chance to try different sizes of the Seaside. Which one do you recommend for an average 40 yo surfer, 5.7 x 137 lb (63 kg), sometimes surfing with a 4.3 wetsuit? If it helps, my standard shortboard is a C.I. Fred Rubble 5.9 x 24.5 liters, but I have no idea about how to choose the right dimensions of a fish. Thank you
5'2 stock. It comes in around 26+ liters. It would be like taking 7 inches off the rubble and placing it in a shorter wider package. It would be a fun grovel board. There is also the 5-2 Machado dimensions which is 24 and 1/2 L the same as your rebel. But I think if you're trying to grovel it's better just to go with the stock 5'2"
Hi Thomye, which board would you recommend for an intermediate beginner to grow into, the Seaside or Twice Baked? And what size would you recommend? I am 5'10, 170lbs. Thanks.
@@Parallel7th I surf all those too. Bolsa mostly cuz of friends and easy access. I am at tower 21 usually. But that palace is getting zoo"d. I think because there is a surf school during the week in summer and now Long Beach high School serves 22 during the week. All good though, bolsa is bolsa. Nice to see a new generation of surfers as long as they are respectful.
Honestly for the majority of days at bolsa and blackies, twice baked for sure. You are a couple inches taller and a bit heavier than I am so I would recommend the 5"7 at the smallest or 5'9 at the biggest. The 5'7 would be a good groveler and the 5'9 would be a super grovelers. But without really knowing your skill level it would be hard to say. But don't go any taller than 5'11. It is like 45L
the Machado quads that were meant for this board. I have tried it with other quads and the extra size and broader width of the back fins allow it to compliment the board. I would highly recommend getting the fins as it works well on other boards too.
Love how that inside left zips in the right conditions!
Sick!!!
Tye Guin Great vids you shred and also thanks for the insights on Seaside ! What would be your favorite size in the Seaside? I’m 138 and 5’7. I ride anywhere from 27-29 liter depending on the board. Seaside I’m torn between getting 5’3 or 5’4. I’m in SoCal too. Normally I would think the 5’3 at 28.2L, but I’ve seen your feedback on your other videos on the Seaside and if the 5’4 at 29.8L maneuvers just as well it would be good to have those extra liters. Just worried if the waves get bigger if that volume would hinder the movement. Since you had the 5’3 for a while now would be great to hear an update on your thoughts and favorite size for overall everyday.
that is a tough question. I think the 5'3 will be fine for you. With that said, it doesn't often get big in socal. I would go demo it if possible and see how it paddles and catches waves for you. My brother has the 5'4 and he is my height but weighs closer to 160. Anyways, I personally think the 5'3 is the best size for me in all conditions. When it is below knee high, it would be nice to have a 5'4 but that is more me being lazy. The 5'3 surfs just fine even on 1 ft days.
@@ThomyeSurfs Got it thank you for the heads up. Yea I think the 5'3 would be perfect for me normally but like this week in south bay been super small so makes me want to have the 5'4 haha, but like you mentioned the 5'3 probably will be better all around. For you what is the biggest disadvantage of having the bigger 5'4 vs 5'3? I would imagine mainly when size is bigger the 5'4 can feel a bit clunky and harder to get in / maneuver in bigger waves?
Tye, you've ridden this board at it's multiple stock seasides. Which is your favourite for a 2-3 foot swell?
5'3" all around. when it gets below knee high, I want to ride the 5'4 (my brother's board) but manage fine on the 5'3.
I don't remember who was filming but this is decent quality!
Think this was Soloshot.
For a break like bolsa would you recommend the sci fi 2.0 or the glazer? I’m an intermediate-beginner, I usually surf at bolsa or Goldenwest,
super difficult question to answer since there are so many variables. The first being that I have not surfed either of these boards. The other variables are wave size/shape/speed/ etc, surfer's skill, size of the board based on skill, what the surfer is trying to achieve, and the list goes on and on.
With that said, taking everything into consideration and just simply averaging all factors out, I would think the Glazer. Here is why:
Suppose the surfer likes a board that is 29 to 30 liters based on their skill. The Glazer would be a 5'4 19.75" wide board and the SciFi 2.0 would end up at 5'8 at 19.125" wide. There are huge hidden differences here which is rocker and distribution of foam. The Glazer has very little and the SciFi as much more. Also, the Glazer will put more foam directly under your chest than the SciFi.
Going back to why the Glazer might be better at Bolsa. Bolsa is a softer wave most of the time. Although my two best and longest barrels have been at Bolsa, 98% of the time, it's not that good at Bolsa. And even on those good days, it's not really macking. It's just a really fun, playful, somewhat soft wave. So, based on the typical waves at Bolsa, you want something wider. Width gives you planing power which means you get to speed quicker. So on a soft wave, you get to speed and get in a litter earlier and in some cases catch waves that a narrower board might miss. in this case, the +.5 inches will be minimal but there is the hidden benefit in the Glazer. as mentioned above, it has very little rocker. That really helps with catching waves. Another hidden aspect is the distribution of foam. on the Glazer, you are cramming 29.8 L into a 5'4 board. On a scifi, to actually get the same floating power you have to probably get a 5'9 or maybe even a 5'10. The 5'8 is closer in volume but you lose the volume for the paddling benefit since it isn't under your chest.
The last benefit of the Glazer over the SciFi at Bolsa is the fact that 5'4 will feel much loser since there is less swing weight. For advanced surfers who can effectively generate their own speed, even in small waves, the scifi would be better since the scifi is actaully a mild groveler compared to a normal performance board. The Glazer is just a bit more groveler. Seaside a bit more and something liked the Baked Potato, which i consider a desperate groveler would be idea for small crap days. BTW, not burning on the Baked, I love my Baked and looking to refresh it.
Having said this, Machado said the reason he made the seaside was to check all the boxes and have only one board. In my opinion, and this is not having surfed the Glazer, the Seaside is the best all around surfboard I have ever surfed. This last swell, I surfed Anderson Street and got 3 or 4 big lefts, 2' to 3' overhead and that board went really well.
Anyways, if you are looking for an all round board, get the Seaside. If you just want it for better days, get the Glazer. If you are good and can gouge turns and just need more maneuverability, the Scifi.
Tye Guin very insightful, thanks I appreciate the feedback 🙏🏻
how tall and weight are you to know how the boards and their volumes do?
it definitely helps to have a baseline. I am 5'8", 145 lbs. the baseline board I started with many years ago was the dominator 5'6". The volume on that board I think was 29L. based on the shape of that board, I knew that if I went shorter on a seaside, more of the foam would be centered in the area of my chest; so, i would want less volume. Think of it like cutting the thinnest part of a baord (nose) which isn't really in the water when you surf or paddle. If you kept the same volume on a shorter board, it would be thicker.
very important: Volume isn't buoyancy, it is only a reference for buoyancy. An example would be 2 boards that are both identical in volume but one is made of foam and the other is made of lead. The lead board sinks while the foam board floats. So only use volume as reference.
Since i have my baseline, I new that when i went to a shorter board, I cutting off about 4" of my dominator. so, I wanted to get rid of 2 to 4 L. Because I knew the seaside was Helium, I went with 4L cuz helium already floats a little better.
it is very difficult though. I have bought plenty of boards that were wrong for me which is why now, I have to demo a board before I buy it. A funny thing, I have ridden a 5'2, 5'3, 5'4, 5'7 seaside and all of them feel great. the 5'7 was a little tighter but on the small day, I was able to catch and turn the board really well.
What (if any) keel or keel-ish fins do you like? You usually go quad on the seaside? Knubster or nah? Thanks bro I’m stoked I found your channel. I’m a biggun’ (6’3” 220-225) and a regular foot but same age, similar waves (brOceanside), etc.
So far, I have only tried 3 keels fins. The very first ones were the K2 Twin Keels which I didn't like in the GoFish. I didn't surf that board for 2 years thinking it sucked. Then I bought the Machado Twin Keels, a much deeper fin, and that thing went really good in the GoFish. It went from the worst board to the best board. I liked it so much that when Rob came out with the Seaside, I decided to demo it.
In the Seaside, I use Rob's Quad Keels which I think are all around great fins. I should try that set in the dominator2. The most recent set I bought but haven't tried is Rob's Tri-Keel in the futures which I think he calls the Pivot fins. I get them delivered on Friday so I'll surf them this weekend. They should go good. I like fins with really wide bases.
I love Oceanside, wish it was closer. I used to drive down every weekend. for a while when Surfride had all their boards online, I would buy all my board from surfride. I think I bought at least 5 of my firewires there. then when they got rid of their inventory online and I couldn't view it anymore, it didn't make sense to drive all the way down there to just look at boards. I can do that local. Wish they would at least list their inventory.
Tomorrow is looking good. hope you get out there. Off shore too at least up here in OC.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks for the thoughtful fin analysis! I tried keels once in like 2009 and it felt so hard to turn that I shined them entirely. Time for a 2nd look because fin design has taken a quantum, space-age leap in the last 11 years. Hit me up on IG (bensman71) if you are coming here to surf 🏄♂️ or want me to do board recon @ Surfride. I’m on FUNemployment so I’ve got LOTS of time 😆. FireWire is selling boards direct from their hub near here too but they sell out quick and are having inventory issues due to Covid. No demo days lately either unfortunately
Hey Thomye, it seams that you had the chance to try different sizes of the Seaside. Which one do you recommend for an average 40 yo surfer, 5.7 x 137 lb (63 kg), sometimes surfing with a 4.3 wetsuit? If it helps, my standard shortboard is a C.I. Fred Rubble 5.9 x 24.5 liters, but I have no idea about how to choose the right dimensions of a fish. Thank you
5'2 stock. It comes in around 26+ liters. It would be like taking 7 inches off the rubble and placing it in a shorter wider package. It would be a fun grovel board. There is also the 5-2 Machado dimensions which is 24 and 1/2 L the same as your rebel. But I think if you're trying to grovel it's better just to go with the stock 5'2"
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you so much, I was wondering between the 5.2 and the 5.3 stock dims.
Hi Thomye, which board would you recommend for an intermediate beginner to grow into, the Seaside or Twice Baked? And what size would you recommend? I am 5'10, 170lbs. Thanks.
What do your waves look like? Most often that is.
@@ThomyeSurfs Hi Thomye, I am in your neck of the woods. I frequent Bolsa, Blackies, and HB State Beach.
@@Parallel7th I surf all those too. Bolsa mostly cuz of friends and easy access. I am at tower 21 usually. But that palace is getting zoo"d. I think because there is a surf school during the week in summer and now Long Beach high School serves 22 during the week. All good though, bolsa is bolsa. Nice to see a new generation of surfers as long as they are respectful.
Honestly for the majority of days at bolsa and blackies, twice baked for sure. You are a couple inches taller and a bit heavier than I am so I would recommend the 5"7 at the smallest or 5'9 at the biggest. The 5'7 would be a good groveler and the 5'9 would be a super grovelers. But without really knowing your skill level it would be hard to say. But don't go any taller than 5'11. It is like 45L
What fins are you running?
the Machado quads that were meant for this board. I have tried it with other quads and the extra size and broader width of the back fins allow it to compliment the board. I would highly recommend getting the fins as it works well on other boards too.