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  • @jordanthornton
    @jordanthornton  Před rokem +4

    *1-1 Mentorship Information: Price & Structure (Maximum Capacity = 20 Clients Per Year)*
    It's an absolute pleasure to film these CZcams videos, and I feel fortunate to receive an abundance of meaningful messages every week, but I am unfortunately faced with the disappointing reality of turning away the vast majority of people who want to work together.
    I have significantly limited availability and can only support twenty people per year because I do not offer one-off calls or drop-in consulting sessions.
    Twenty individuals might not sound like maximum capacity, but the last few years of teaching have taught me the importance of maintaining tight energetic boundaries if I want to keep uploading these free videos in addition to serving my current clients to the best of my ability in 2024.
    To minimise confusion and enhance transparency, I've spent several hours writing this ridiculously long comment to help you decide if my Inner Work Mentorship is the right choice for your development & what you could reasonably expect from working closely together.
    Please take the time to read this service description before contacting me on Instagram… or feel free to stop reading right now if you’re not interested in my fees, session structure, client expectations, etc.
    ...
    *READ BEFORE SCROLLING FURTHER:*
    I'm interested in long-term change and structural transformation, which is why I've never offered one-off sessions.
    Complex issues cannot be resolved in a few hours, but we likewise need to define an upper limit for containment and collaboration.
    I've learned that deep and enduring self-integration requires at least four months of immersive effort. Why four months? It's enough weekly contact for us to work through multiple complex issues and developmental possibilities, but short enough to mitigate against unconscious co-dependency and motivational stagnation.
    I'm currently accepting a maximum of two new clients per month - message me after reading the following section to check my availability.
    ...
    *HOW I WORK & WHO I WORK WITH*
    Unlike other coaches and teachers who take an understandably more relaxed approach to healing and integration, my mentorships are characteristically intense.
    This is a highly-demanding, high-investment process which requires our consistent combined effort over a period of four months.
    If we were to start working together, I would reasonably expect you to be excited to show up for a minimum of 10+ hours of self-motivated transformative practice per week (daily reading, fitness routine, creative exercises, spiritual reflection, etc.) while also maintaining full-sobriety (no drink, no drugs, no cigarettes, no vapes).
    These strict standards of discipline and sobriety are plainly unsuitable for most people in most situations - even genuinely motivated individuals who resonate with my CZcams videos may not be the right match for four months of structured mentorship.
    If you want to get deeper, I've noticed that there's a certain type of ‘temperament' & 'timing’ to get the most out of me.
    I'm interested in alert, creative and purpose-driven individuals who aspire to exceptional standards of self-maturation and would enjoy the feeling of going through week-on-week of progressively stacked transformative experiences for a third of a year: my ideal client is somebody who is willing to bring forward their internal complexity with a sense of courage and transparency with the intention of nothing less than full-spectrum transformation & rapid acceleration on their personal path.
    I am yet to discover another supportive figure who offers something comparable to this mentorship: a four-month, structured yet flexible 1-1 container which is simultaneously therapeutic, academic and action-oriented; with primary focus placed on tangible improvements in your felt sense of self-knowledge and self-integration; in addition to making consistent and meaningful progress towards your unique goals and mentorship aspirations.
    I prioritise contact, compassion and accountability, which means that your work never really 'ends' at the end of your session. You can reasonably expect to be fed dozens of customised reading suggestions and follow-on perspectives outside of the formal sessions via friendly and informal messenger contact, where I am active and available four days per week to cultivate an intimate personal connection while likewise enhancing your positive momentum via accountability check-ins and additional support as required.
    By way of conclusion for what feels like an extraordinarily long comment and service description, I feel compelled to once more emphasise that working directly with me is unrealistic for most people in most situations.
    I often support people who are accustomed to wrestling with the emotional challenges associated with working through complex wounds in previous therapeutic relationships before we begin our coaching work together. Even individuals without 'hard trauma' can expect moments of pressurised darkness and heaviness during periods of shadow contact as you begin to restructure your personal unconscious. We will be exploring your psyche and soma at scale and depth, and it will be your responsibility to keep me informed about the emotional texture of your internal reality, especially if you encounter negatively charged experiences, and I will of course do everything in my power to support you through the hard times as we integrate the darkness and move forwards together.
    CZcams is a wonderful place for me to share free research resources and offer accessible inner work invitations; my private mentorships, however, are the place for collaborative partnership and emotional security as we identify, navigate and restructure oftentimes confronting and challenging conscious and unconscious physical, emotional and mental material.
    Ultimately, this is a highly-demanding but highly-rewarding process which requires the best of our shared intentions.
    ...
    *SESSION STRUCTURE & FEES:*
    The total fee for an Inner Work Mentorship (including 12 x 2 hr sessions) is £7,400 GBP or approximately $9,400 USD. This is my only coaching programme, and my mentorship pricing is liable to adjustment over time.

    Each private session lasts two hours, and is facilitated via Telegram video call at an ideal time for both of us. Your mentorship extends over a linear four-month period, with a total of twenty-four hours of structured session time, in addition to four days per week of unlimited messenger availability for accountability updates, voice note exchanges and informal calls upon occasion. I do not work on Mondays, Tuesdays or Wednesdays, but I am fully-available across all timezones for regular calls and messenger contact on Thursday - Sunday.
    If you’ve scrolled this far, and resonate with what I’m offering, I invite you to message me on Instagram. It would be my pleasure to start exploring your goals and intentions in real-time.
    IMPORTANT: I am an intentionally independent coach, and not a licensed therapist or associated with any professional bodies or coaching institutions, and therefore enjoy the freedom to collaborate with my clients across all areas of life in an intimate, direct and highly involved coaching style. I work with no more than twenty people per year, and am currently accepting a maximum of two new clients per month. I also manage my own inbox and do not use automated systems or employ people to pretend to be me on Instagram, which means that it usually takes four to six weeks for me to respond to new messages and begin the interview process. Although my approach takes time, I hope you ultimately appreciate my personal emphasis on authentic and confidential communication from the very beginning of our relationship. I once again encourage you to message me immediately if you want to start working together within the next two months - bump yourself to the top of my inbox, and I’ll send you some voice notes to get our conversation started.

    • @riube28
      @riube28 Před rokem

      Apreciate you so much for sharing this perfectly sized offering ❤ I received a deep personal and professional validation, as well as a call towards full ownership of growth and deeper, stronger, more focused Work 🌟 Thank you for taking your time to shape Truth into words 🙏🏻

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      @@riube28 Its my absolute pleasure 🌲

  • @dogsleddinginiowa
    @dogsleddinginiowa Před rokem +13

    "Before you heal someone, ask them if they are willing to give up the things that make them sick." - Hippocrates - Thank you, Jordan, for the great videos and for helping people along their path!

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem

      Timeless quote, it’s well worth remembering - thank you for adding this, and these videos are truly my pleasure 🌲

  • @FlorinGN
    @FlorinGN Před rokem +5

    Speaking of Jesus, Orthodox Easter is just around the corner, and I could not have received a better gift 🤗 Thank you for choosing to bring clarity to my heavy question, especially since I know it is not just mine. I really felt metaphorical boxes being ticked while listening to what you have to say.
    Thank you for your work, Jordan! ❤️🙏

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      Happy holidays, and thank you for inviting this video with your question - hope this response was applicable, it’s a hard process but you’ve got this 🌲

  • @laylasayed708
    @laylasayed708 Před rokem +1

    I think the question “why” is really a key. This question helped me see the pattern and its origins in my family history, and uncovering that I have so many unmet underlying needs myself and lack in self care. Once that is uncovered I was able to step back focus on myself and let the other party has his/her freedom of choice and pace. It is not fair many times to pace other to my own pace.

  • @amy-lyne
    @amy-lyne Před rokem +4

    12:00 candle of hope and fire metaphors🕯👌. 'Hope' (Yakhal) in the church was always about looking back at your life and seeing all the ways God came through. It involves choosing to wait as an act of trust in God's character despite present circumstances. The level of trust builds when you take the time to stop and appreciate all the fulfilled promises of the past. I think its true for any relationship that faithfulness is something you have to notice and nurture. At some point, you have to keep tabs on all the fulfilled/unfulfilled promises and expectations.
    I used to keep a journal of all my answered prayers.. I may need to take up that practice again. It's always amazing to see the number of fulfilled promises. Thanks for this one 🤍

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      I have never once heard of someone keeping a journal of fulfilled prayers - that’s unique and special, thank you for sharing. I’m sure you just inspired a lurker in the comments section, Amy 🕯️

  • @niekelombard4434
    @niekelombard4434 Před rokem +3

    Caregiving versus caretaking. Short and snappy recovery talk.

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      That’s exactly it - great distinction 🌲

    • @niekelombard4434
      @niekelombard4434 Před rokem

      @@jordanthornton I wanted to share:
      "Giving
      Learning to be a healthy giver can be a challenge. Many of us got caught up in compulsive giving-charitable acts motivated by uncharitable feelings of guilt, shame, obligation, pity, and moral superiority.
      We now understand that caretaking and compulsive giving don’t work. They backfire.
      Caretaking keeps us feeling victimized.
      Many of us gave too much, thinking we were doing things right; then we became confused because our life and relationships weren’t working. Many of us gave so much for so long, thinking we were doing God’s will; then in recovery, we refused to give, care, or love for a time.
      That’s okay. Perhaps we needed a rest. But healthy giving is part of healthy living. The goal in recovery is balance-caring that is motivated by a true desire to give, with an underlying attitude of respect for ourselves and others.
      The goal in recovery is to choose what we want to give, to whom, when, and how much. The goal in recovery is to give, and not feel victimized by our giving.
      Are we giving because we want to, because it’s our responsibility? Or are we giving because we feel obligated, guilty, ashamed, or superior? Are we giving because we feel afraid to say no?
      Are the ways we try to assist people helpful, or do they prevent others from facing their true responsibilities?
      Are we giving so that people will like us or feel obligated to us? Are we giving to prove we’re worthy? Or are we giving because we want to give and it feels right?
      Recovery includes a cycle of giving and receiving. It keeps healthy energy flowing among us, our Higher Power, and others. It takes time to learn how to give in healthy ways. It takes time to learn to receive. Be patient. Balance will come.
      God, please guide my giving and my motives today."
      Quoted from the app The Language of Letting Go.

  • @alchimiaspiritului
    @alchimiaspiritului Před rokem +1

    It is the same driver that made the freed man from plato’s cave allegory to turn back to his fellows and share what he has seen outside. It is the need to connect with another. But this is yet another test to be overcome. Detaching from the known and throw yourself in the unknown. This way one can make new connections. Thank you, Jordan! For the topic, for the way you convey your message and for the personal experience behind it.

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      Thoughtfully said, thank you. Watch out for the divine madness & creativity episode next weeks, it’s my answer to your question from a few months back! It’s another outdoor film 🌲

  • @gailaltschwager7377
    @gailaltschwager7377 Před rokem +3

    Thank you, Jordan. It's also unethical to force your help on a person who doesn't want it.

  • @AB-cs2dj
    @AB-cs2dj Před 2 měsíci

    I always tried to save a family member who I think is bipolar. When I realized I was done and started distancing myself I started healing myself.

  • @carriephilippi
    @carriephilippi Před rokem

    No you can't, Ive tried repeatedly... Again your voice is incredible, healing.

  • @chrissywakesup
    @chrissywakesup Před rokem

    Thank you as always for being genuine, authentic & the guidance I need during this tough ass road of healing holistically - You have inspired me, added to my journey and helped me to see things I knew where there but couldn't see.

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      Here to do what I can - thanks for watching, and good luck.

  • @geraldinesnell
    @geraldinesnell Před rokem +3

    Just wanna appreciate the theatrics of your matches prop because that was impeccably timed and such a powerful metaphor. You always use vivid and evocative metaphors but that really took the biscuit. Your unedited delivery is also excellent and gives powerful presence. It's all a breath of fresh air in overedited CZcams realm. And thank you for this important episode I am lucky to have never had this with a family member even if that enmeshing codependency has magnetised other painful connections.

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      The best part is that I already had the imagery and vocabulary ready… but the matches were lying around and I decided to incorporate them last minute… can’t stop my theatrical flair 😉 Thank you for these words, always doing what I can to keep these videos engaging without losing the magic of single-take and minimal editing. It’s more real and raw that way.

  • @niekelombard4434
    @niekelombard4434 Před rokem +1

    'Detachment in love'. Thank you for your work. 7 months out of a relationship where we were falling into a parent child dynamic (my childhood wounding). I am learning to get to know myself and hope for something healthier and equal in future. But for now it is me on my own. I hear you on the grief. The fixer or savior, is a role I payed well as a child to survive... Hard to `derole` as an adult... One day at a time!

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem

      Once you’ve spotted the pattern, it’s very difficult to go back - well down for making the shift, and good luck with your next steps, Nieke 🌲

    • @niekelombard4434
      @niekelombard4434 Před rokem

      Thank you Jordan, a lot of Metta to you. Changing the patterns! I have a fellow travellor that helps me see and a growing intuition that usually let's me know/feel. Here is to desiring better and starting to believe I deserve better, been working and am working hard on myself. Love to little me.

  • @Revinance88
    @Revinance88 Před rokem

    Very timely video for me. Thanks again, Jordan.

  • @billadams2615
    @billadams2615 Před rokem +1

    My Mom has suffered from MH difficulties all her adult life, she’s 79 I’m 52 and it’s only in the last few months I’ve come to the conclusion ‘you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped’… as always, thanks Jordan x

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      That’s a very difficult situation, I’m sorry to hear this and also wishing you the best for your next steps in the journey ahead, Bill 🌲

    • @billadams2615
      @billadams2615 Před rokem +2

      @@jordanthornton - cheers Jordan the last 12 months has been a real sh@t storm from multiple directions… your videos have helped me integrate difficult experiences remain objective and weather the storm… I owe you one… would like to do some one to one with you in the future, haven’t quite got the space to break myself open at the moment… but definitely one for the future… anyway thank you for all your work, sometimes I feel your doing the leg work for me!!! Cheers x

  • @Elvira239
    @Elvira239 Před rokem +2

    The most confusing type of this phenomenon is when somebody comes to me for help and then projects the responsibility for their issues onto me. They know I'm a tough love type of person but they're not ready to work on their issues, so they start getting defensive. Like, do you want my help or not? 😂

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +2

      This sounds like one of the most frustration situations - but hey, at least you’re aware of the pattern 😅

  • @gitu_tg
    @gitu_tg Před rokem

    Thank you Jordon 💚
    The example of your friendship brought clarity to the discussion.

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      It’s my pleasure, happy to have helped - thanks for your continual support 🌲

  • @Chancey388
    @Chancey388 Před rokem +1

    Even Jesus didn't help people who didn't want help. They had to have faith in him first, and ask him.

    • @allegro2347
      @allegro2347 Před rokem +1

      Exactly! In the Bible he asks to the man near the pool "Do you WANT to be healed?". And he couldn't perform miracles in his village because people didn't believe in him.

  • @anna-j6526
    @anna-j6526 Před rokem

    Thank you for your video, the timing is spot on.🌿

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      You are so welcome, Anna - happy to be here in good timing for your life 🌲

  • @PowerOfAIandMotivation

    Exactly, good title of the video 👍🏻

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem

      Glad you think so - always making efforts to encourage attention 😉

  • @Nous22
    @Nous22 Před rokem +1

    Indeed, do not try and save anyone who doesn't want the help, true point. However, we are all Christ, the God within, to remember this is one's path to true liberation and the end of suffering.

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +3

      I understand your sentiment when looking from the highest perspective, although certainly many stages of distinction between where standard consciousness resides and the idea of Christ consciousness within - wouldn’t want to collapse those degrees of distinction, an incredibly rare path 🌲

  • @theo8261
    @theo8261 Před rokem

    I understand that everyone has their own journey. But, it’s painful to watch the one you love burning

  • @dianevierra781
    @dianevierra781 Před rokem

    thanks for the video, Jordan. (might add more to this comment later)

  • @rs5570
    @rs5570 Před rokem +2

  • @pragmaticpoet
    @pragmaticpoet Před rokem +1

    Even Jesus didn't try and convert, he offered council in story form of gospels for those who were interested in listening to take away what they were ready to receive, for some an amusing story, for others a message of depth 😇 be more like JC... do not convert, teach to audiences that want to hear what you want to share 😻 Jesus was teaching people how to be teachers

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem +1

      Excellent observation, I hadn't considered this. Thank you!

  • @gregorydorrell5543
    @gregorydorrell5543 Před rokem

    You’re dead right mate you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink I had a good friendWho I tried so hard with but in the end I had to let him go

    • @jordanthornton
      @jordanthornton  Před rokem

      It’s a hard process, I’ve been there. Wishing you well, Gregory 🌲