DISNEY CHANGED CLONE TROOPERS FOREVER, Live Action Clone Troopers in Kenobi and Andor, CGI Clones
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- In this video I explain how Disney has completely changed Clone Troopers in live action.
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00:00 All clones in the prequals were CGI
00:47 Why were clones CGI in the Prequels?
01:40 Attack of the Clones Motion Capture
01:54 Revenge of the Sith Motion Capture
02:22 The Book of Boba Fett 501st Clone Troopers
02:45 Live action Clones in Obi-Wan Kenobi
03:27 Live action clones in Kenobi BTS
04:24 Temuera Morrison in Clone Armor
04:46 Revenge of the Sith Temuera Morrison Motion Capture
05:19 Live Action Clones in Andor
05:52 Clone Trooper Cosplay Problems
06:30 Problems with real live action clone troopers
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The fact that the CGI clone troopers from Revenge of the Sith still look very realistic almost 20 years later is amazing.
Yeah but they look crap in episode 2 though and some scenes in episode 3 especially on Utapau
it doesn't
I prefer the CGI clones when it fits with a CGI layout environment. The practical suits are neat, but they need to add some gruff and marks. In Kenobi, the armor was way to clean when comparing it to RoTS.
501st had to look fresh before they killed them kiddies 🥶😎
Yeah, the whole design principle behind everything Star Wars is that things need to look lived in and dirty. It makes it look real. These are soldiers going from one battle to the next. Their armor isn’t going to look shiny and brand new in the heat of battle.
Lol
@@weirdpigeonproductions actually they were clean, becouse they were on the capital and not in the heat of battle.
@@attilafekete7892 They we’re all very dirty in ROTS even on Coruscant
With truly modern CGI and enough time for the artists to work, CG suits are the best visually.
Even in ROTS, the Jedi Temple Clones look phenomenal
Respectully I disagree imo if you can do something practically you should
As a costumed clone trooper with the 501st I can attest to how the cgi clones are physically unwareable. Also the new kits on Knobi are urethane and flex better to the person wearing it and cost 4-5x more than mine or others kits. Using urethane in that way is rather recent. The old stormtrooper kits are abs and most of the current clones are abs with some other kinds sprinkled in there. The abs clone kits would not be able to be moved in in an action scene with out destroying them in every shot.
That’s so cool that your part of the 501st! Someday, I would like to get into that. I can see how using urethane would certainly work better on set then the old ABS plastic. I had no idea that they had used that different material, that’s really neat! Thanks for the comment!
@@weirdpigeonproductions no problem. There is a ton of deep diving to be done on the design and use of armor in filming the current star wars shows. Check out the Armor Party podcast for some great insights in to how they made Boba and Din Jarin able to actually move in their kit. But even within the Mercs and 501st there is s lot of fighting about so many aspects of the costumes. I'm just happy I can put on some plastic space armor and bring smiles to people's faces.
@@weirdpigeonproductions lol that means that lego stormtroopers are made with the same plastic that the actual storm troopers were made with
Just curious, is a suit of armor modeled perfectly after the CGI clones from ROTS actually unwearable for everyone? or just for anyone that’s not built like a clone trooper? After all, they’re meant to be very young and super fit. Not to imply that the average cosplayer is too out of shape to wear it, just thinking they might have been designed for a specific clone-trooper-like body type?
@@Sir_TophamHatt I see what you are saying. But they way the CGI suit was designed is that 99% of all humans would never fit. One thing is the Phase 1 (attack of the clones) helmets had a neck ring that did not move, was solid, and some how transitioned through the cg models head when they put it on. Even Temaura Morrison the model for the clones could not have fit in to the suit that was cg designed. Maybe a super thin marathon runner might fit in to some versions of the cg kit, but I even doubt that.
As a kid growing up, I never suspected a thing. Even as an adult, I didn’t even think twice about it. When I was finally told they were all cgi, I was genuinely shocked.
Everything besides actors and a couple sets in the prequels was CGI.
In the prequels, clone troopers mostly interact with CGI baddies like Geonosians and Separatist droids. It’s easier to build those battles if everyone is CGI. In the streaming shows, you’re putting fewer clones into scenes that are primarily filled with people, so costumes may actually be easier or cheaper from a production standpoint.
I know I'm likely the outlier here, but I really prefer CG clones. The Kenobi costumes in my opinion looked really low budget, looking too much like plastic and way too clean for me to be convinced that they were anything but cosplayers that found their way onto the set. Some grime and scratches on the armor (like in the films) would definitely help to sell me on the idea that they're soldiers and not cosplayers. Aside from appearance, the live action armor just looks clunky as hell. CG clones have a very particular kind of movement in the movies, and every movement they make in live action is incredibly over exaggerated. I despise that everybody that dies in Disney Star Wars whips their head to the side with the might of Zeus to convey that they have, in fact, been shot/sliced, and that was incredibly apparent in Kenobi's order 66 scene. But that's just a nitpick of mine. Overall it was neat to see them in live action, I just can't see them as anything other than dudes in costumes.
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Enjoyed the video, btw.
I have a question, how uncomfortable is the armor around the crotch ?
Thanks for the comment! I agree the new costumes look way to clean, I also hate that they changed the shade of blue for the 501st clones, it’s such a big difference and is so unnecessary.
Agreed. Not sure if it was the scene's lighting or if the paint didn't come out like the costume designers wanted it to, but I'd definitely like a darker shade of blue if we see live action 501st again.
I respect your opinion, and it's fair to think a particular instance fails in some way; but I would like to point out that the CG clones often failed to properly interact with actors, their baked in lighting fought with the real key-lighting, they failed to cast shadows more often than not, some phase through each other, all these little nit picks remind me that these are not real characters, just polygons pretending to be guys in costume. At least with the live action guys-in-suits, I can think "That's a guy in a suit, what an idiot", but I will take over-acting over canned-acting any day of the week, Star Wars is supposed to be fun and the death-throes are funny on their own (and not at all limited to Disney, might I add). As for being "too clean" it makes sense to me, these guys are stationed in the Jedi Temple, the shiniest place in the galaxy, and good soldiers are going to keep their armor clean especially when that factors into blaster-resistance.
Another great video! The reason why Lucas used CGI clones wasn't just because practical clones at such a large scale was unfeasible, there's also a thematic reason. Both the clones and droids are artificial life. We have two completely artificial armies filled with identical troops, one made in labs and the other made in factories, both totally CGI to highlight the artificiality. It visually conveys how both armies are just pawns of Palpatine and how artificial this war really is, it's a man playing chess against himself with the future of the galaxy at stake. The battle on Geonosis also has this reddish-brown haze over it as dust coats the air and we see clones and droids firing at each other in a sandstorm, both are obscured to show that they're one in the same. Also I've finally finished that AOTC analysis!
Damn never saw it that way.
That is so insightful, love the symbolism, incredible. I can’t wait to checkout your AOTC analysis!
@@simpleclonetrooper2740 Same, I did see similarities between the two armies but I only realised the full extent once I did that analysis lol
@@weirdpigeonproductions Thx! The analysis is linked in my about section and youtube gave me community posts for some reason so I posted it there too. I still need to make one of those promotional shorts for it lol
@@JihadiFemboy I’ll be sure to check it out as soon as I can!
I like how in starwars battlefront 2, the clone armour is wider and more likely to fit a person
Never noticed that!
You mean OG Battlefront 2 or EA Battlefront 2017?
@@wilhufftarkin8543og my dude
I prefer cgi clones. I think revenge of the with did it best.
With Andor the height difference was glaring imo. One of the most important reasons the clones are CGI in the prequels is because Lucas wanted them to be really fast and dynamic, like the clone jumping on this crab droid. That would have been impossible to do with real armour.
CGI or actual costumes doesn't matter all the troopers look cool looking
I can't wait to see live-action phase I clone troopers. For some reason, I find them much cooler looking. They have something ancient Roman about them. The only thing I won't like if they do that is that they will probably give them unit colors like in TCW rather than rank colors like in AotC. Back in Legends (before TCW messed with the clone wars timeline), unit colors were only introduced with phase II armor and I prefered that. It made the phase I armor look so clean and slick.
What’s your opinion now that we’ve seen them
@@thehunter9149 Was it in the Ahsoka series? Haven't seen it yet.
TCW is chad Tho
CGI clones will always be better than the live action ones. With live action, you get all the problems the stormtroopers suffered from. Like the waddling around, clunking of the armor, having it shake around, and the actors not being able to see out of the helmet so they have to turn their whole body like Batman. Not to mention seeing short and tall clones in Andor takes me out of it. They look clunky and cheap like the stormtroopers in the OT. They have that shiny plastic armor. But the Cgi clones look uniform, realistic, properly fitted armor, good detailing, and they have actual mo cap by soldiers. Hopefully going forwards we stick to the cg ones.
completely agree. I think disney just has something against CGI for Star Wars characters. They all just look like shitty cosplayers instead of actual soldiers. Now all the alien characters are costumed and you can tell
could not have said it better
Just stumbled upon this channel, I realy like the chill vibe when you talk about this topic that intrests me. Nice material!
I'm in the middle, I think for the early 2000s, all cgi clones wasn't completely effective but you don't have to use a hundred actors in physical armor you can hire ten or twelve then cg the guys in the background, that's a nice mix
I mean, I think a mixture of both live action and cgi could work too. For simple standing still scenes use live action, but for vast large battles and actions scenes use cgi. Cgi although it can stand out, but it just overall looks better imo.
I was extremely happy to see practical clones in Star Wars, and even happier to find out that a cosplay youtuber I've watched since I was a kid designed them!
*SPOILER*
so cool to see them use practical clones in the mandalorian as well!! never thought id see coruscant guard practically done. it makes the clones seem more weighty and like an actually overwhelming force, rather than just action figures.
As a huge prequel fan myself I've prayed for yeeeears that we would finally get to see live action clone troopers in star wars and Im super satisfied that we did the movement and general posture is just more real with real actors in suits although the armor looks slightly off as you said it works fine in short scenes with limited close up shots. However I think a lot of people would agree that after seeing cgi/animated clones for so long in the movies and tv shows that its probably just best to stick with the cgi models where they're more front and center on the screen especially with how good the technology is now.
I would love to see a live action take on come clone wars stories. Maybe a short anthology series. Temuera Morrison would make bank
Idk how they do this, but CGI clone armor looks more natural then live-action costumes.
In my opinion.
Great video! I was actually waiting for someone to make a video about this. I also noticed the change and I’m very happy with it. My only issue is that they didn’t make it as accurate as the CGI. And it’s something so simple that i can’t believe they missed. If you go back to clones entering the temple in episode 3, you can see the color in their armor is slightly faded and scuffed. With these live action clones, they look like they came right out of the paint shop lol.
I think there are a lot more disadvantages using life action clone troopers than CGI. The differences in hight, bodytype and also the lack of professional military movement in the actors is huge for people who pay attention to that. For example 5:42 when the life action clones turn they have all different stances like one clone is standing with the legs very far apart the other is looking down and those details throw me out of the immersion. For me thats a huge disadvantage because those where probably actors and not soldiers who train marching all day (correct me if Im wrong). Also I dont really see an disadvantage in using CGI really... When I watched the prequels as a kid they all looked real for me just like the dinasaurs in the first jurassic park movie looked real for me when I first watched it. When I go back to those movies now they dont look that real anymore. But with todays CGI i dont see a problem with CGI clones really... I think the decision to make the clones CGI in book of boba fett is a more reasonable and a better decision. And I really want to get behind why some people prefer real actors and real costumes over CGI, as if CGI is something you should avoid in movie making...
I didn't know this until you pointed it out...thanks I hate it.
As a veteran you're right about wrong stances, but we don't march all day (you're wrong, there's your correction XD)
Yeah the ones in Andor especially are particularly annoying from a drill perspective. How hard would it have been to swipe a platoon of marines or two from San Diego for a weekend? Like all the guys I know would've volunteered for something like that if given the option.
in the original star wars there's a famous scene when a stormtrooper hits his head on the edge of a door and it became classic. it's a part of what star wars is about. I mean who cares that actors aren't professional soldiers I prefer real actors any time and shooting almost all prequels scenes in cgi was a big mistake imo (though I admit clone troopers look good). a great example are sets in mandalorian with the practical effects mixed with cgi, they really capture original star wars magic and as for the prequels: sometimes it feels like your watching a video game instead of a movie
My main problem with clones in kenobi is the blue color, but other than that, i think they looked really good
Ya the got the blue color all wrong it was way to light should be a darker blue
@@Gingerpowdergames it probably wore off
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So on the clone topic, it actually didn’t resonate with me that the obi wan show was the first time with live action clones. And I agree with what you said. The live action looks more real than CGI, even if I haven’t gotten used to it yet quite yet. But while it looks more real, I do think CGI is better for shots with a lot clones as you said. That was one of the things about Andor. The clones where different heights and it took me out of it a little. Great vid 👍
Thanks for all of the support, I really appreciate it! That one shot with all of the clones in the street on Ferrix, you can really see the height difference between them and, like you said, it certainly took me out of it. Overall, I do think it looks better though.
clones are well... clones. they all have to be the same physical dimensions which would kind of be hard to get so many so thats probably why
It's really a multitude of small, contributing factors that, I guess you can't know the answer to unless you were right there on the team during preproduction...
Your guess does make a lot of sense, now that I think about it. Love this format of video
I think that the real-life actors in clone armor are great, and there is no reason why we can't use a wee bit of CGI just to make them all the same size. Thats just my opinion
My theory is they use real troopers for the way the light from the non-CGI saber reflects off the armor. Disney loves the saber glow.
Disney have made every live action clone as shinies. 0 dirt/ damage, 0 personalisation. They just look like big awkward clunky stormtroopers
I also think the reason for CGI clones was the armor itself. Even a person with the smallest head needs a larger helmet than what is seen in the movies due to fitment and comfort. If you ever notice the neck area of the CGI clones, you can obviously tell that the helmet would never be able to come off because the human head is larger than the opening. Also, the CGI makes the clones look more "agile" in the armor, while a live action suit is always bulky and gets in the way.
Rots clones have the best clones. And also the best saber combats ever.
I hate how the blue is wrong and there's absolutely no damage on the armor
Agree a mix of both is good. We learned this in 1993 when we saw the T-Rex in Jurassic park. Close ups were practical and the rest was animated.
I think the CGI clone strippers give a good amount of uncanny valley. Maybe it's just me but I think the fact that the CGI makes them look not quite real adds to their eventual betrayal.
In the recent mando episode, they use a mix of both cg and practical clones during the grogu escape sequence.
>the initial speeder scene is is CGI and switches to practical after they get off the speeder
>and the second squad of clones that run in before grogu and the jedi zip off in the speeder
the practical clones do need some more weather or a satin/matte finish tho
Is it just me or are the reactions of jedi and clones to being shot and sliced in kenobi feel delayed. Like, they get shot but it takes a second then they jerk forward and then die
Yes, and it feels like the lightsabers are used more like a baseball bat smashing into clones rather than a lightsaber that’s slicing through anything.
I love the precuels and I’m happy with these new clone props, for me it’s like taking the realistic approach even further with correct human proportions, instead of that skinny limbs look. I mean, look at any military trained person, they are actually strong and somewhat bulky.
I'm a huge fan of the new live action suit, the only thing that bothered me with them in Andor, is how the actors heights are so visibly different when they are supposed to be playing clones.
The cgi scenes looked a lot more chaotic because the animators could do whatever they wanted. Real suits are really restrictive and it takes away form the clone trooper look.
I prefer cgi clones, they look more put together and are more expressive, I dont think its impossible for physical clones to be as good if not better than cgi clones, but they gotta fix the costumes they look way too stiff. Also I absolutely hate the split in between they put in the upper torso part of clone armor. BF II did that as well, and I just hate it, it looks so bad and makes them look so fat.
The new costumes could definitely use some tweaking for sure.
Disney can produce real comfortable armor for their cast easily, period. And they can recast those guys over and over again. They can have Dee Bradley Baker voicing them, I am sure he'd be more than happy to do so, and some war-hardened veterans maybe directly voiced by Temuera Morrison as well as Temuera Morrison could be digitally made it look like the clones' age around that time 20-30 if those said clone ever remove their helmets.
Also I don't know if you don't know but you can shoot the same scene ten times with 2 guys and digitally add them together as if they are seperate soldiers you can have 20 clones in the same scene. I've seen some not-professional guys doing that for D-Day scene on youtube for some 5+ years ago. They only needed to change perhaps armor and/or their armor could be digitally made it look like different and armors could have had some scars and scratches, dust and dirt and all that toll and wear the war had taken on them.
Perhaps it was also a case of resource allocation? Like, these big budget movies had a ton of resources for a variety of things, while the TV shows maybe went like "Okay, we need a LOT of CGI for this episode in general. The CGI guys are completely booked. I don't think they can also CGI perfectly moving clone soldiers as well. Let's do those with costumes."
I think the reason for animating the clone armor in the prequel trilogy is simple: many of the environments in which the troopers appeared were mostly CGI, and making the troopers themselves CGI made it is easier for the environment and environmental lighting to reflect on the armor. The characters who are not CGI in these scenes tend to be wearing cloth, so they had few reflective surfaces. With the advent of Disney Star Wars, there is now the Volume, which is able to make CGI environments reflect more naturally on actual reflective surfaces in a given scene. If The Mandalorian had been filmed around the time of the prequels, it's likely that Din's armor would also have to be CGI to interact properly with CGI backdrops, etc.
I prefer they make costumed troopers. We haven’t seen any major height differences with the troopers so far and I think that this gives us more opportunities to tell stories with clones. RO’s Stormtroopers are literally reused in everything, hopefully these Clone outfits let the creators tell more stories with the clones
Well clone troopers specifically are all the same height. Stormtroopers are different though because they are actually different people were as the clones were all cloned from one man.
The cgi in kenobi looked pretty good
It's easy to get people of the same builts, if they're slightly shorter just use heels
Not to mention that the lightsabors flicker, and they bounce off the actors. Instead of slicing clean through. Not to mention as soon as I saw the clones I could tell that the blue was a different shade.
In Andor, I didn't appreciate seeing clones in different sizes. Because they were played by real actors.
Disney really care about 212th more than 501st, thats why they making animated spin off Star Wars: 212th after The Bad Batch season 2.
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I think that maybe in Andor not all Troopers are actual Clone Troopers.
In Bad Batch it is shown that even by early empire, 19BBY, Clone Troopers were already starting to be replaced.
I think the heights were not adjusted using CGI, because there's reason to believe that not all of them are necessarily clones.
That’s a good point, by then they could have definitely started assimilating regular enlisted men with clones.
but we have no prove that a human (no clone) wore clone trooper armor yet, when the empire started recruiting stormtroopers automatically changed the armor
If they were gonna do the live action route, the least they could’ve done was color correct the iconic 501st armor. And the armor is far too shiny and less scuffed up. Would’ve preferred they kept them CGI.
100% agree with you, why they couldn’t get the paint color right and add some weathering to the armor is beyond me.
@@weirdpigeonproductions Credit where it’s due (or maybe my eyes played tricks on me), but the one time they gave it the correct color was the veteran 501st clone (Temuera Morrison) panhandling to Obi-Wan.
I think the reason they went with suits was because of the lightsaber reflections, it's probably cheaper to have a suit that reflect the real light from the saber compared to when they added cgi lights to the sabers.
jeez, the cg-heavy scenes in AOTC didnt age well, i seriously thought at first you were showing footage from the clone wars cartoon
Yeah, some shots in AotC look really rough by today’s standards. At a glance, I feel like most of the clones in RotS have held up fairly well though!
I love these BTS videos. 3:49 where did you get this shot? You might have to edit this video since Adam Savage’s tested. 6:22 that blue is too bright
Off topic but what clone trooper figures are those on your desk
Still pretty cool to see them being played as actors. Long as they don’t push it and do it right, I’m okay with that.
But we all know they should be CGI, mainly.
Honestly, the clones being CG in the Prequels works considering the battle scenes in those movies. You couldn't really get enough extras to do those scenes who have the same height and build as Temura Morrison, so having them be CG relieves the stress of having to find tons of physical actors for those scenes.
They should have made at least one physical clone trooper suit for Temura Morrison to wear and then base the CGI models after that.
Think about how many variants of clone armor we saw in rots and clone wars and how many colors , i cant imagine them making physical props and color variations for all of them, it will most likely be 501st , all white and maybe 212th, but i suppose it depends on how far Disney will go, also consider that for the large scale battles of the war you need a large number of cgi troopers.
They could've casted a few People (same height and build) and use the technique they did with the Wookies scene on Kashyyyk to duplicate each clones
I think the idea of live action clone troopers is a good one. Even watching the CGI in BOBF the clone troopers movements looks a little janky to me. Whereas with live action the movements feel more natural because the movements are 100% what the actors are doing rather than mocaping it and cleaning up the animation to make it look real. However like you said in the video if there is a shot where you see "The Grand Army of The Republic" then it would make sense to use CGI and if it was a far out shot if the CG was slightly off you probably wouldnt notice it.
With this being the new standard, I demand that we see Temuera Morrison as a live action Captain Rex! I’m aware that making this demand here in no way helps my cause.
back then in 02 and 05 size was matter but now some say size won't matter and cheaper in some close, mid shots put them in real world lighting, realisms
nerds will nitpick on size that still think size does matter for clone troopers
I prefer CGI so that effects such as dismemberment and blaster slicing can be achieved!!!
True. Because when a practical trooper gets hit by a lightsaber, it looks like they are getting hit by a bat.
I always wanted to see live action clones, and it was cool, but I definitely prefer cgi. Hopefully they stick with cgi
I feel like they did this for the fans. We deserved to see real live action clones in real life, with real costumes.
I’m ngl I think everyone can tell and knew this
they only thing that i'm in disagrre is the fact that they decided to make their armor so shiny.
It seems like the BoBF 501st clones are people wearing physical first order stormtrooper gear with cg clone armor overlayed
WTF
@@UnluckyCantaloupe4 look at the belt pouches, its the same ones on first oder stormtroopers
I never noticed that! That’s really weird
@@weirdpigeonproductions they also have animated phase 1 comlinks instead of the realistic design.
@@cobaltgreen1138nah those are clone belts for sure.
it's ok to be live actors but it should be half and half depeanding on the cotenx like you said
I find your video interesting I like CGi in ep 2-3 for many facts
Like if you need 1000 clones things like that big deployment you need CGI but on a smaller scale like a squad of 8 or near 20 costumes will do.
Im a member of the 501st and Im always amazed to see fellow members with their clone armors but du to my size (im 6f 6 inches) Im too tall to be a clone so Im Vader 😉
They should do a special edition with real actors for the the clone troopers
I don't like how the light reflects on the armor, i think it would look better if it was more mate, but beyond that it looks great enough
Why they finally used Live-Action Clone costumes, If I had to guess, I'd say it was about what's easier both to film and of course financially more viable but also, for better or worse, it gives fans the chance to enjoy a new perspective of Clones, one of the biggest critiques about the Prequels was the amount of CGI used. So perhaps they wanted to give fans what they've always craved, physically real costumes and performance, not unlike the original Stormtroopers :)
CGI looks infinitely better. Dirty, riggid, in shape, the armour actually fits. Everything else looks bad...
If at the end of the day, this difference just caters to a small niche group of people who dress up as troopers. Then I say keep it CGI. They have already spent the money on the renders. I think it will be at the discretion of the directors ideology and budget.
I love the cgi clone troopers. Most cos players are on the chunky side and can't really pull off the look, but that doesn't stop them. Might as well build real droids.
Its all about the cost of production. So watch their world, play in yours.
0:33 Does anyone know who's the actor of the 10 year old clones? I never managed to find it out. It's definitely not Temuera Morrison. I always thought he looks like the guy who plays Captain Gregar Typho, but I could never confirm it, because he doesn't seem to be credited.
I always assumed it was Daniel Logan who played young Boba Fett in attack of the clones but I could be wrong.
Well Daniel Logan played the kid clones, but I think you are talking about Bodie Taylor who played the teenage clones. Aka, the ones eating at the table dressed in red.
@@Chosen_one_501 Thank you! I don't know if I'm blind or stupid, but I'm pretty sure he isn't named in the credits.
I always found it weird that they didn't just use Temuera for this role, because that guy looks completely different. If you think about it, not a single clone in AOTC is played by Temuera Morrison (except for the voice of course). What's even weirder is that the clones in ROTS are payed by him again.
I heard that one of the reasons all clones were CGI was that George Lucas wanted to push CGI to its limits, cuz fully CGI characters and environments were a new thing back then and he wanted to see how far it can go
I honestly like the cgi versions everything about it seems better
I get the feeling that they used real actors to be able to make the fight scenes more believable but I think actors in mocap suits wouldve been better so they can be used as a reference. Also, side note, why is no one ever sliced in half anymore? Limbs would fly all the time and Maul was sliced in half fairly easily and Anakin got his limbs removed with barely a flick. Id love it if a grittier starwars movie or series went back to that
I feel people need to realize that cloning doesn't lead to identical beings, it leads to similar individuals. I mean, think about it, twins may have the same face but one could be a bit taller than the other or in the worse cases one is significantly fatter than the other because one of different lifestyles.
Anyways, with all the armor on they could be either or both life action/CGI it just depends on the scene in my opinion. I just wish the prequels would have done a few armor sets with Tamura acting with one on.
The 501st just became more scarier because those order 66 scenes show, if you weren’t a powerful trained Jedi who wasn’t caught off you were screwed.
It’s not necessarily because they are the 501st but because the Jedi simply didn’t except there trusted friends to murder them
I've grown to prefer the chunkier look of the live-action suits. I like knowing that someone can practically fit into the armor, while the CGI models are kinda jank in some areas. Look at the skinny shins on the CGI clones and tell me that someone can realistically fit their leg into those armor pieces.
i kinda prefer the cg ones, they look less clunky
They like literally
You also just explained how they changed lightsabers forever, I prefer cgi clones because the lightsabers work the way they should, not like bats…
For me I prefer the cg clones but I still think the live action suits are really cool. For me they look too shiny and the 501st blue is a bit too bright. I think they did a good job in the newest episode of the mandalorian but that’s just me
I think it looks too bright because we only see the 501st with pretty bad lighting.
It just looks better
Although the live action clones have many changes to make the suits more comfortable or allow for more movement, it also has some unnecessary and frankly illogical changes/innacuracies
Like ?
@@UnluckyCantaloupe4 lack of horizontal lines on the chest, abdomen indent being straight, no black line on the back of the helmet, first order stormtrooper shoes and back belt pouches being Identical
Like you said, I get making adjustments to make the armor more comfortable to wear, but changing details on the design like the stripes, shoes, and the pouches just seems really lazy to me.
Cgi clone always looked better I just don’t like the practical 501st armor. Doesn’t looks right and the blue is the wrong blue too. Clone seems to bulky they should be slimmer tbh. The movements of the stunt performers don’t look right the way to shoot and etc
C.G.I. or physical costumes doesn't matter to me, i love the clone troopers.
With the behind the scenes of the blue ray release of episode 2 the production team talked Lucas into using cgi for R2D2. We all know Lucas's favorite character is R2. Everyone wanted to make the clone armor but Lucas said if they have to make R2 cg then they can also make the clones. More of a joke. Like if I can't have real R2. Than you can't have real clones.
Maybe fact disney want save on cost on CGI because it's very expensive that's probably why their use people instead of the CGI
Practical suits are good, but the paint jobs were just. Awful.
The blue was just way too saturated and clean.
You should make an updated video, since the breakdown on the armor is actually up on Savage's tested you tube channel.
And a few things to note: most of the changes were done for mobility, practicality, like the seam lines, the bigger gaps, the new cod piece. Other changes were unfortunately done to cut corners, like the stormtrooper undersuit, boots. Tough the most important thing to note is that these suits are not intended to be ep 3 suit replicas, they are redesigned, like how rogue one redesigned the stormtrooper armor. Like they reproportioned the whole thing to fit humans better, made the boot armor out of plastic aswell etc.
As for their colour, while it is not 100% the same as in ep3, it is pretty close, becouse in ep 3 they were light blue aswell, they only look like dark blue becouse we can only see them at night, so the colours seem darker, but if you look at some posters, or just observe the cgi models, you can see the colour is light blue.
Last thing to note is the battle damage, people say they looked cheap, plastic, but even in universe this is literally a plastic "plastoid" armor, so of course it looks plastic, thats why the new guys are called shinies. And the reason why they had no battle damage is becouse they were on the capital and not in a heat of actual battle. In ep3 it was actually wrong that they were battle damaged even on coruscant, but that was cutting corners back than. Becouse they used 1 cgi model and swapped the different colours on that model, thats why they all have the same battle damage. So logically even in ep 3 they shuld have been clean on coruscant.
Long story short, live action clones are much superior to cgi ones, more realistic, believable that they are actually covered in full hard plate armor, so it restricts their movements. They just have to hire exactly 6 feet tall people in the future, and I'm sure they will be weathered if they will be featured in real battles. (btw in Kenobi the stunt actors had to be between 5'10 to 6, dont know about Andor)
Prefer cgi clones, amd for me its kinda weird the change of the blue to a light blue of the 501st in kenobi show i dont like that light blue djdjdj :(
I think they decided to go for a physical costume in Kenobi, because a) they had a budget to blow, b) it straight up looks better, and c) they established in their various shows that clones don't all necessarily look alike, especially towards the end of the Clone Wars; besides... who genuinely is going to notice when they are not all formed up shoulder-to-shoulder?
I don't get the idea that it would have to be 1 way or the other. CGI exists to enhance the visuals of live action; it shouldn't really be used as a total replacement. That means they don't have to hire an entire army of extras to physically represent a clone army. They could just get a dozen or so extras, and composite them multiple times into the frame. & They could use full CGI for the background models. There are a lot of movie magic techniques at their disposal. It's a shame the only one they seem to go for, is "fix it in post."
Well if they’re going to cast real people for clones they gotta be slim
Does anyone hate how the 501st armor shiny
I’m gonna guess that they stupidly used a glossy finish on the armor instead of a satin or flat sealant!!!