hi Frank, Thanks for all your wonderful interviews. We'd like to send you an article by email - could you share your email address or a way to contact you? thanks :-)
Thank you both, we need these conversations now. So many I know are struggling with this shitshow and I will share and hope that others also take strength and comfort from this. Rest in Power Refaat. May his spirit live on...in the form of a white kite against the blue of the sky giving joy and hope to all who experience it.
Such a beautiful poem by Rafaat! The world lost a treasure when they lost him! RIP Rafaat! May Allah protect the people of Gaza! INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAJI’UN
Very beautiful conversation. Good to have also made some time to encourage people who show solidarity with the Palestinians. Witnessing these gruesome injustices and feeling the emotions of grief, and anger and empathy can be exhausting and painful, albeit nothing compared the to pain and exhaustion the Palestinians must feel. I’m happy Butler emphasized also the joy there is to be found in doing the right thing and speaking against injustices.
This is such a weird time for me, an Arab Muslim woman who was raised as a pro-Palestinian since my early childhood. I always thought of it as an Arab case, but now, especially since 7th October, I get much higher sense of belonging when I interact with international activists. When I listen to this podcast, I feel like I’m between my people, never in my life imagined myself in this situation.. and as Judith said: “there’s a joy in it”
You are right, here in Germany there is a deafening silence which accentuates the terrible despair and sadness that you feel watching these daily atrocities; that is if you watch Al Jazeera. Watching the other media sources you would hardly realize what is happening.
Thank you Frank and Judith! Joanna Macy and Miki Kashtan have many interesting and helpful things to say about regenerative activism as well. The importance of allowing yourself to mourn really cannot be overstated. It's also crucial to ensuring that you do not become a perpetrator yourself.
Refaat Alareer's death is a terrible loss, as all the deaths caused by this genocide. Thank you for this interview. Judith Buttler is a very insightful voice.
My admiration and respect to both of you for giving me hope and the comfort of knowing that there are peoples with intelligence around the world doing what they can to bring Justice to the victims of the current genocide.
She understands the origins of violence when it comes to Hamas, but not when it comes to Israel, as if it the state emerged in a vacuum. Not sure the term settler colonial state explains the reality of Israel very well, except what what's happening in the West Bank, but not as a blanket description of the state in general. But here it seems it's serving the function of delegitimizng the state.
Why intelectuals and artists are not calling to take city councils, embassies, radio stations? Something practical. Are they just planning their next book, piece, act, conference?
This video is Important we need to get this out out there it’s terrible that the Israelis got their views all over the news but not much I hear on Gaza other than the fact that the terrible Israelis have been bombing Gaza’s houses for months
What could the Palestinians qualify for being Nazis? What could the Israeli mìlitary qualify for being non-Nazis? To both questions the answer is Nothing.
..civilized collective..?? as long as the leaders don't behave civilized, injustice will continue! 7 Oct could have been prevented if US/EU really cared about the Palestinians, and they had 70 years to do it!
Ms. Butler still doesn't get it. We cannot dictate the form of Palestinian resistance; we might not approve of it, but this arrogance in defining how the resistance of the oppressed, colonized, dehumanized, maimed, and killed for over half a century should look is itself a big issue (40:30). I also cannot comprehend how someone like Ms. Butler still perceives herself as part of a denomination that overshadows her sense of objectivity. As a Lebanese who lived through the horrors of Lebanon's civil war and the relentless Israeli occupation, I know it's possible to detach oneself from imposed ancestries and strive to view the world objectively, even in times that may provoke a biased worldview in many (36:52).
Here's a good description of Butler's philosophy: "It is difficult to come to grips with Butler’s ideas, because it is difficult to figure out what they are. Butler is a very smart person. In public discussions, she proves that she can speak clearly and has a quick grasp of what is said to her. Her written style, however, is ponderous and obscure. It is dense with allusions to other theorists, drawn from a wide range of different theoretical traditions. In addition to Foucault, and to a more recent focus on Freud, Butler’s work relies heavily on the thought of Louis Althusser, the French lesbian theorist Monique Wittig, the American anthropologist Gayle Rubin, Jacques Lacan, J.L. Austin, and the American philosopher of language Saul Kripke. These figures do not all agree with one another, to say the least; so an initial problem in reading Butler is that one is bewildered to find her arguments buttressed by appeal to so many contradictory concepts and doctrines, usually without any account of how the apparent contradictions will be resolved. A further problem lies in Butler’s casual mode of allusion. The ideas of these thinkers are never described in enough detail to include the uninitiated (if you are not familiar with the Althusserian concept of “interpellation,” you are lost for chapters) or to explain to the initiated how, precisely, the difficult ideas are being understood. Of course, much academic writing is allusive in some way: it presupposes prior knowledge of certain doctrines and positions. But in both the continental and the Anglo-American philosophical traditions, academic writers for a specialist audience standardly acknowledge that the figures they mention are complicated, and the object of many different interpretations. They therefore typically assume the responsibility of advancing a definite interpretation among the contested ones, and of showing by argument why they have interpreted the figure as they have, and why their own interpretation is better than others. We find none of this in Butler. Divergent interpretations are simply not considered--even where, as in the cases of Foucault and Freud, she is advancing highly contestable interpretations that would not be accepted by many scholars. Thus one is led to the conclusion that the allusiveness of the writing cannot be explained in the usual way, by positing an audience of specialists eager to debate the details of an esoteric academic position. The writing is simply too thin to satisfy any such audience. It is also obvious that Butler’s work is not directed at a non-academic audience eager to grapple with actual injustices. Such an audience would simply be baffled by the thick soup of Butler’s prose, by its air of in-group knowingness, by its extremely high ratio of names to explanations. To whom, then, is Butler speaking? It would seem that she is addressing a group of young feminist theorists in the academy who are neither students of philosophy, caring about what Althusser and Freud and Kripke really said, nor outsiders, needing to be informed about the nature of their projects and persuaded of their worth. This implied audience is imagined as remarkably docile. Subservient to the oracular voice of Butler’s text, and dazzled by its patina of high-concept abstractness, the imagined reader poses few questions, requests no arguments and no clear definitions of terms. Still more strangely, the implied reader is expected not to care greatly about Butler’s own final view on many matters. For a large proportion of the sentences in any book by Butler--especially sentences near the end of chapters--are questions. Sometimes the answer that the question expects is evident. But often things are much more indeterminate. Among the non-interrogative sentences, many begin with “Consider…” or “One could suggest…”--in such a way that Butler never quite tells the reader whether she approves of the view described. Mystification as well as hierarchy are the tools of her practice, a mystification that eludes criticism because it makes few definite claims." In short, she peddles vague, purposefully obscurant nonsense for her own aggrandizement.
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So glad I found your channel I’ll do what what I can to share
hi Frank, Thanks for all your wonderful interviews. We'd like to send you an article by email - could you share your email address or a way to contact you? thanks :-)
Another excellent interview Frank, thank you. Thought provoking, emotional and insightful, much respect for you and Judith.
Thank you both, we need these conversations now. So many I know are struggling with this shitshow and I will share and hope that others also take strength and comfort from this. Rest in Power Refaat. May his spirit live on...in the form of a white kite against the blue of the sky giving joy and hope to all who experience it.
Thanks! Amazing conversation. I share the same sentiments.
Brilliant, absorbing, thought provoking conversation. Thank you.
Such a beautiful poem by Rafaat! The world lost a treasure when they lost him! RIP Rafaat! May Allah protect the people of Gaza! INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAJI’UN
Oh, I can’t bear it again today, have cried too many times. Unlike him, I’m weak. Will watch tomorrow. RIP beautiful Rafaat 🪁
I can't stop the tears.
Very beautiful conversation. Good to have also made some time to encourage people who show solidarity with the Palestinians. Witnessing these gruesome injustices and feeling the emotions of grief, and anger and empathy can be exhausting and painful, albeit nothing compared the to pain and exhaustion the Palestinians must feel. I’m happy Butler emphasized also the joy there is to be found in doing the right thing and speaking against injustices.
Thank you! ❤
This is such a weird time for me, an Arab Muslim woman who was raised as a pro-Palestinian since my early childhood.
I always thought of it as an Arab case, but now, especially since 7th October, I get much higher sense of belonging when I interact with international activists. When I listen to this podcast, I feel like I’m between my people, never in my life imagined myself in this situation.. and as Judith said: “there’s a joy in it”
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Wonderful interview Frank.
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Fascinating, enriching conversation. Thanks very much ❤
Fantastic program!
So moving, Judith actually managed to deep into the horror and still provide me hope
Thank you for this great conversation
It's so hard to watch
You both make me feel less alone (I'm German) - send you a big hug 💔🕊️😭🧠🙏✨
You are right, here in Germany there is a deafening silence which accentuates the terrible despair and sadness that you feel watching these daily atrocities; that is if you watch Al Jazeera. Watching the other media sources you would hardly realize what is happening.
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thank you both
Thank-you Frank. I really needed your conversation this morning. Much love, respect and strength to you and Judith.
Thank you both!!!
Give a peace a chance
Thank you is not enough - but THANK YOU
Thank you Frank and Judith! Joanna Macy and Miki Kashtan have many interesting and helpful things to say about regenerative activism as well. The importance of allowing yourself to mourn really cannot be overstated. It's also crucial to ensuring that you do not become a perpetrator yourself.
Thank you Judith Butler for clarifying that LRB article.
Refaat Alareer's death is a terrible loss, as all the deaths caused by this genocide. Thank you for this interview. Judith Buttler is a very insightful voice.
Thank you 🙏 thank you for your offerings and the words and wisdoms of your guests. This education is part of the beauty you spoke to.❤
Thank you so much!! 🙏🍉✊
It will take 2 - 3 US election cycles to achieve real change. Stay with Palestine. It will take sometime. Keep active. Keep the struggle
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Thank you for this.
We are all at a loss for words.
My admiration and respect to both of you for giving me hope and the comfort of knowing that there are peoples with intelligence around the world doing what they can to bring Justice to the victims of the current genocide.
She understands the origins of violence when it comes to Hamas, but not when it comes to Israel, as if it the state emerged in a vacuum. Not sure the term settler colonial state explains the reality of Israel very well, except what what's happening in the West Bank, but not as a blanket description of the state in general. But here it seems it's serving the function of delegitimizng the state.
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Why intelectuals and artists are not calling to take city councils, embassies, radio stations? Something practical. Are they just planning their next book, piece, act, conference?
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The Beginning: "The horror that happening in Gaza" -No the horror began at 7 of october
It was a targeted strike, an assassination.
This video is Important we need to get this out out there it’s terrible that the Israelis got their views all over the news but not much I hear on Gaza other than the fact that the terrible Israelis have been bombing Gaza’s houses for months
Well said. but lets not forget the other genocides, tutsis hutus etc so much to grieve for. So important, the jewish voices standing up for this!
What could the Palestinians qualify for being Nazis? What could the Israeli mìlitary qualify for being non-Nazis? To both questions the answer is Nothing.
The demons always project their culpability for the crimes committed onto the victims themselves
@@TheNagualWilliam In some way and to some extent that's also true in that vicious circle.
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..civilized collective..?? as long as the leaders don't behave civilized, injustice will continue! 7 Oct could have been prevented if US/EU really cared about the Palestinians, and they had 70 years to do it!
Ms. Butler still doesn't get it. We cannot dictate the form of Palestinian resistance; we might not approve of it, but this arrogance in defining how the resistance of the oppressed, colonized, dehumanized, maimed, and killed for over half a century should look is itself a big issue (40:30). I also cannot comprehend how someone like Ms. Butler still perceives herself as part of a denomination that overshadows her sense of objectivity. As a Lebanese who lived through the horrors of Lebanon's civil war and the relentless Israeli occupation, I know it's possible to detach oneself from imposed ancestries and strive to view the world objectively, even in times that may provoke a biased worldview in many (36:52).
I am non-binary today.
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Here's a good description of Butler's philosophy:
"It is difficult to come to grips with Butler’s ideas, because it is difficult to figure out what they are. Butler is a very smart person. In public discussions, she proves that she can speak clearly and has a quick grasp of what is said to her. Her written style, however, is ponderous and obscure. It is dense with allusions to other theorists, drawn from a wide range of different theoretical traditions. In addition to Foucault, and to a more recent focus on Freud, Butler’s work relies heavily on the thought of Louis Althusser, the French lesbian theorist Monique Wittig, the American anthropologist Gayle Rubin, Jacques Lacan, J.L. Austin, and the American philosopher of language Saul Kripke. These figures do not all agree with one another, to say the least; so an initial problem in reading Butler is that one is bewildered to find her arguments buttressed by appeal to so many contradictory concepts and doctrines, usually without any account of how the apparent contradictions will be resolved.
A further problem lies in Butler’s casual mode of allusion. The ideas of these thinkers are never described in enough detail to include the uninitiated (if you are not familiar with the Althusserian concept of “interpellation,” you are lost for chapters) or to explain to the initiated how, precisely, the difficult ideas are being understood. Of course, much academic writing is allusive in some way: it presupposes prior knowledge of certain doctrines and positions. But in both the continental and the Anglo-American philosophical traditions, academic writers for a specialist audience standardly acknowledge that the figures they mention are complicated, and the object of many different interpretations. They therefore typically assume the responsibility of advancing a definite interpretation among the contested ones, and of showing by argument why they have interpreted the figure as they have, and why their own interpretation is better than others.
We find none of this in Butler. Divergent interpretations are simply not considered--even where, as in the cases of Foucault and Freud, she is advancing highly contestable interpretations that would not be accepted by many scholars. Thus one is led to the conclusion that the allusiveness of the writing cannot be explained in the usual way, by positing an audience of specialists eager to debate the details of an esoteric academic position. The writing is simply too thin to satisfy any such audience. It is also obvious that Butler’s work is not directed at a non-academic audience eager to grapple with actual injustices. Such an audience would simply be baffled by the thick soup of Butler’s prose, by its air of in-group knowingness, by its extremely high ratio of names to explanations.
To whom, then, is Butler speaking? It would seem that she is addressing a group of young feminist theorists in the academy who are neither students of philosophy, caring about what Althusser and Freud and Kripke really said, nor outsiders, needing to be informed about the nature of their projects and persuaded of their worth. This implied audience is imagined as remarkably docile. Subservient to the oracular voice of Butler’s text, and dazzled by its patina of high-concept abstractness, the imagined reader poses few questions, requests no arguments and no clear definitions of terms.
Still more strangely, the implied reader is expected not to care greatly about Butler’s own final view on many matters. For a large proportion of the sentences in any book by Butler--especially sentences near the end of chapters--are questions. Sometimes the answer that the question expects is evident. But often things are much more indeterminate. Among the non-interrogative sentences, many begin with “Consider…” or “One could suggest…”--in such a way that Butler never quite tells the reader whether she approves of the view described. Mystification as well as hierarchy are the tools of her practice, a mystification that eludes criticism because it makes few definite claims."
In short, she peddles vague, purposefully obscurant nonsense for her own aggrandizement.
Who said white supremacists have to be a man with tiny mustache. These two fit right in.
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