FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA is at the core of the ZIONIST PROJECT : MOSHE MACHOVER
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Today I speak to one of the foremost expert on zionism, Moshé Machover, the last surviving signatory of the statement below, published on 22nd September 1967 in Haaretz.
“Our right to defend ourselves from extermination does not give us the right to oppress others. Occupation leads to foreign rule. Foreign rule leads to resistance. Resistance leads to repression. Repression leads to terror and counter-terror. The victims of terror are mostly innocent people. Holding on to the occupied territories will turn us into a nation of murderers and murder victims. We must leave the occupied territories immediately.”
We talk about the current massacre in Gaza, about how we got here, but also about the core of the zionist project, and the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism.
A must listen to. (and I'm not only saying this because i've conducted the interview!)
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Frank, seems like YT is shadow banning this video. I guess due to the title, what with the many reports of comments using these words being removed instantly. Owen Jones just posted an interview with Moshé Machover's son Daniel, about the South African document, which led me to search for this one in my watch history list and it wasn't visible there. I had to go to your YT home page to dig it out of your list of videos. Right now it's back in my History list, with the date I first watched it (17 Nov). Wonder how long it'll stay there.
Thank you Moshe and Frank for such an interesting interview. It's a relief to hear sensible and humane people talking about this nightmare.
Thank you for doing this interview. tSuch an escalation was predictable unfortunately, as all grievances and attempts to peacfully protest for equality were met with brutal repression, making escalated violent resistance inevitable.
Thank you so much for the full education from such a tremendous soul
It’s good to have “Other Voices” from Israel that you have been bringing. Thanks
Historically, though, both Jews and Arabs are Semitic peoples.
Israel must actually roll back to the original 1947 partition plan of the UN. The 1947 plan was terribly unfair to the Palestinians for the time. But injustice after injustice has engulfed them for so many years that the 1947 partition plan would look like some godsend now. The 1967 borders are too little, too late. East Jerusalem and complete autonomy over Al Aqsa mosque must also be reconstituted.
I completely agree. I don’t understand why people seem to think the 1967 “borders” are the solution. They certainly are not because the Palestinian people overwhelmingly would not agree with them and never agreed to them. A few corrupt Palestinian “leaders” never spoke for the majority (until now - ie the resistance).
Nothing short of all Palestine should be fair. If the post 1881 settlers want to stick around, they can but only after giving back everything they stole and paying reperations for the Palestinians.
The country should have one national identity with equal status to all religions, that national identity is Palestinian Arab.
What an informative interview! Thank you, Frank and Moshe. Keep up the excellent work!
I have not commented before Frank, but I: do find your videos to be exceptional. You bring on so many wonderful guests who really do give us an education. Thank you. Keep going.
The voices of justice begin to rise
Many respects
Moshe explained well the Zioinist colonialism and ethnic cleansing for Eretz Israel. His terminology of surrogate mother is interesting. He is right in saying that the main supporter and abettors of the cruel apartheid regime called Israel is the US, especially since the mid sixties; Britain and the rest of Europe just follows suit. He pointed out an important facet of the British politics, where both the Conservative and the Labour parties play second fiddle to their hegemonic master, the US, whose political control is also diminishing following the humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. The Siviets met a similar fate, but wisely reconciled with it. US is remorseless on the other hand. The deceptive collusion between the Conservative and Labour parties politics is well concieved by the fact that in the mid seventies, Heath and Wilson got drunk at the same Bar in the evening and issued opposing statements in the morning newspapers! What a mockery, what deceit, and what an hypocrisy!
Frank, we love you for doing this, speaking the undeniable truth. may god bless your heart.
Thank you.
Incredible fellow.
Very good points made by Moshe. Outstanding contribution of his knowledge and expertise on this issue
Thank you
Thank you Mr.Moshe,you bring us an education.You are brave and human being,God bless you.
We need more guidance, insights and history lessons from Moshe Machover. Please give this man's voice more coverage. He has so much to teach us. More, please. Help to shine a light through the fog of ignorance and obfuscation surrounding the Zionist project and modern colonialism in general.
I agree with you entirely we were only taught Ancient History over 77 years ago when I was Born it was not useful really. Every child in the world needs to know the Truth of All Wars Worldwide and it will encourage Peace because All Wat is futile. Only God can bring Good out of Evil and Man only escalates more evil. I agree with you thank you. Janet
Thank you...thank you for sharing this crucial and important part of history that is sadly ignored today.
Very informative. Thank you from a Palestinian. Peace. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Thank you so much! This is one of, if not the best, interview I have watched that explains things so clearly & simply. Their prediction or warning in the letter has come to fruition as we see it unfolding before our very eyes.
I don’t want American tax dollars to go for Israel’s colonization of the lands that belong to the few remaining inhabitants.
US financed the most terror country of the world, Israeli regime ignoring international laws, bombing hospitals, refugee camps, murdering children, no any army is able for such atrocities
US has become a Help organization of Israel, America needs to take power back, only Biden Administration is about 400 jews,
Omg I'm so delighted to see that Moshe is a lefty. I loved his text on axiomatic set theory when I was an undergraduate and had no idea he was active politically (I work in algebraic geometry and homotopy theory now, though I'm still a graduate student). What a wonderful person; the math community never disappoints.
Oh yes Moshe set a real example for us mathematicians
Thank you Frank for such a fascinating interview of Moshe. The statement by Moshe and 11 others published in Haeretz newspaper after Israel’s occupation started in 1967 is effectively a stark warning from the past against what is happening now as well as a reminder of the only possible resolution to this nightmare. Thanks to you both!
Thank you for this interview, and please try to have a second one where Moshe explains his long-term perspective.
Dear Frank, thank you for bringing us more knowledge. I hope some day you also interview regular people and allow us to talk to israeli brothers and sisters. I feel a responsibility to help them see the truth and error of their ways. The world will undoubtedly will side with Palestinian struggle as the scene in Gaza gets worse and worse. What's also important is to reach out to Israelis because they're rendered incapable due to years of propaganda in their ears. I can't stop thinking about the future of the jewish people as well. Imagine a future where they're marked with not only Holocaust victims but also the supporters of genocide on Palestinians. This is recipe for antisemitism. So I wish there was a platform for knowledgeable regular people to directly speak their minds with kindness and contribute to unification of human values in all minds.
So glad I found your channel. You're an amazing interviewer with exceptionally knowledgeable guests.
Whole world united to save Palestine. We won't give up until Palestine is free. We cannot fail as humanity.
Can you furnish the citation for the Haaretz declaration from 1967? Thank you in advance and for your excellent programs.
Merci!!!
From the river to the sea,
There we sat down,
When we remembered Gaza...
Thank you so very much for this factual and interesting Interview and I have shared it with my 2 daughters who are sisters from Gaza now British Citizens who are too young to know this man although they know the History of the ongoing Troubles. Thank you and God Bless and protect you
When a coloniser was asked why they also killed the Aborignal children he supposedly answered : “when you want to rid your place of snakes would you let the baby snakes live?” Is that what is happening g in Gaza this very moment?
I think you have guests who are important to hear from. I have hearing problems and your guests echo too much for me to hear. I am not complaining, I am simply saying why I don't listen to your channel. My best to you. I think you are on the side of humanity....keep up the fight because there is a fight going on and the worse is yet to come...be strong in your foundation!
I learned so much from this interview. It ties together and clarifies what I have seen about events in the last month and advises me on what I might expect to happen in the coming months. Thank you Moshe and Frank for an illuminating and sobering interview.
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Thank you for an insightful conversation.
Thank you Moshe and Frank. You are both performing a public service by recording this interview for posterity.
I am grateful for this. Thank you both
Yes, please do a Part 2 if you are able to do so 🙏
Knowledge ❤ Thanks
Thank you both. Excellent vlog.
I did not know about this “statement” or “document”. Thank you for the information and for an excellent interview.
Thank you for this interview
Well done nice job thanks for telling the truth
Moshe....our real life Yoda❤
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Actually from river (Nile) to river (Euphrates) is the greater israel they aim for, the one symbolized by the 2 blue lines in their flag and printed on their coin. Every major event since the late 19th century is because of this master plan.
Is this the source of that slogan? I've been wondering. Until recently I had only ever heard of "من النيل إلى الفرات" from the Nile to the Euphrates. I assumed that "from the river to the sea" was a sort of response to that. I haven't really looked it up though.
This is a fabrication by Arab writers in the 1950's that gained currency. it has various versions and it has no basis in reality.
How old is that guy?
Wow you mean amazing human being
@miriamaconovic6453. I mean, how old is he.
Can you google?
The State of Israel has expanded exponentially following wars initiated by the neighboring countries, together! as a result of which the refugees were also created. Were Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and the other armed forces, who initiated the wars, required to take responsibility for authorizing the war? No. Only Israel is slandered as 'Colinist'. However, Israel made peace with Egypt and Jordan, returned land and manages 'cold' neighborly relations, but they exist and work!
International law states that you cannot occupy land by military means.
Period.
Israel is violating international law by occupying Palestinian land, and they are paying for it by never having any peace.
The resistance will continue.
People love freedom more than life itself.
Israel is a settler colonizer, whether you like it or not.
You are welcome to support them....
How much do you get paid?
@@TheFaro2011
That's a stupid question.
I am still waiting for your check in the mail.... How about that?
You know, when you have nothing intelligent to say, it is best you remain silent.
@@MagdiNonDuality There has never been a Palestinian state. from 1948-1967 Gaza was under Egyptian control and the West Bank was under Jordanian control.. why these states didn't give the Palestinians to establish a state?
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Before states were established, people lived there. You can call them Palestinians or Bedouins, it does not matter.
They cultivated the land, they built homes, they had shops and built villages.
They lived there for generations.
They lived there under the Ottoman Rule, then under the British and French Mandate.
No one kicked them out.
The Zionists come and kick out 750,000 people and block them from returning to their homes (in 1948). Then they kick out another 1 million people and block them from returning to their homes (in 1967).
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Are you defending such action?
Are you really suggesting that other nations should take them in?
Are you in favor of strong militaries taking over weaker populations and settling it as they wish?
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The Nazis tried that
No one supports this sort of occupation and apartheid.
No one except the perpetrators of the crime.
You do not know the word of God ,the God of Abraham.God gave this land to the Jews. It is their land and everyone else Must be gone. Go educate yourself about the history of Israel.
Will, you are making God under your selfish land-grabbing image
God is love
But maybe you are not available for this understanding.
Willcabamba8262 huh
GOD has been wrongly interpreted by simple men with simple minds and I speak as a practising Christian a follower of Jesus Christ and also learned earlier this year my mother and her mother were pure Jewish so I have no axe to grind 2 of my 6 daughters 1 Spiritual from Australia, 2 born in a big family in Gaza and I am Nana Janet to their Children born here and my own birthed ones to my 1st Husband a Persian married to in 1964 and I equally love them all with due respect and happy they are all Equal in the eyes of God and all chosen to be loved equally by me and to live together in His eyes in His new Heaven and new Earth in Eternity for all to live in Peace and Love because all is Vanity at the end of the day. GOD is LOVE and HIS Words should not be twisted and turned or changed to harm one another we sbould Faithfully obey His commands and LOVE one another as HE does. There are Doctors without Borders Let there be Faith in God without Borders . Fighting over Land is ungodly. We are creatures not the Creator Submit to the Living God and You please read His Word with more Humility and Understanding with equal love in your Heart and begin again, wishing you well and expand with Love magnamously to be Happy with Him forever in Heaven. Janet. P.s embrace the world of good people
Speaking of needing some education. Living in the land was conditional and based on obedience to God. They were removed from the land not once but twice due to idolatry and disobedience. The last removal was in 70 AD and their temple was destroyed. It is God who exiled them from the land and only when God allows can they come back. God has a plan to bring them back but they have been deceived into coming back by the Zionist, not God. It’s like a child who is being punished determining for himself when his punishment is going to end. It’s not going to go so well. In God’s timing He told them in the scriptures that he would bring them back into their land in peace. Israel has had no peace from day one from their enemies because they chose to override God’s timing and reclaimed land before God allowed.
No, he gave it to the ‘slaves’ of the ‘peoples of Egypt’ after they followed Moses to live in the Desert for 40 years because they refused the Torah. Do you think that this ‘history of slavery’ made it more acceptable to make God or a religion a landlord?
My last question is in 2 parts, if God (magic sky fairy) made the slaves of the Egyptians the ‘chosen people’ why then can men and women convert to Judaism and also pro create with people/ religions that were not ‘chosen?
Shalom