it starts as a physical feeling of frustration and restlessness and fist making and the desire to scream. this is even what people who are consigned to the mental health system or to homeless feel and do physically. the feeling of having no control makes your physical actions wild.
reminds me of 13:48 such a good point if you listen that it’s become frowned upon to speak in a humanistic way in political demands which are ultimately abbreviations of larger collective wills like. there’s less political focus and concentration was what i interpreted. also interesting to hear someone reflect on the misinterpretation of their own work…
the issue on the word sovereignty - yes people do associate that too much with the centralized power. another word would be much better. when trying to change the discourse then it is important to thumb through vocabulary for a word with a better resonance
I was waiting on her to also say whiteness, and heteronormativity as significant influencers when describing how the notion of the human is informed. She named manhood, reason, autonomy, civilizational norms, cultural and educational formation as all specific influencers that account for the formation of our contemporary notion of what counts as the human. All of which are very conservative and limited, as she knows and argues. I just would have liked Butler to take it further.
+Mac Morris That's the brilliance of her work. Most of the diction she elects to use can be applied to talk about a vast amount of issues that she believes are equally deserving for discourse. She purposefully tries to not limit her self in her writings or in her public lectures when she addresses various issues .However most people try to reduce her work to an essentialist argument or rather at least a singular restrictive way of viewing a particular social phenomena .
+Aerin Alese I like you saw elements of this video as an homage to to the recent protests spurned by the killings of unarmed Black men but I also saw it as an equal homage to the protests spurned by the political and social violence endured by members of the LGBT community , as well as demonstrations spurned by the bank bailout and the war against the middle class and working poor . Moreover I'm also sure that there's more protests and groups you can link to her theories on assembly and precarity that again are equally deserving for recognition.
if only she had a political agenda suited towards your values and social position ! aggh! if only she'd give a context in which specific categories were addressed as to elicit and cater a response from the position of certain centric minority groups, which could touch on their feelings of victimization! instead of taking it further, she uses universal influencers that could be applied in value-neutral terms and towards any social/historical/cultural context!!! for shame!
I am confused. So I understand she is saying not to throw (deconstruct) the baby (humanism) out with the bath water. Then she states that the human is "sustained" by all the relationships. But does it *exists* all by itself still? Can it be boiled down to some minimum set of properties and attributes in ways that do not appear anthropomorphic? We stopped believing that the Earth is at the centre of the Universe a while ago, but we still have Earth.
@@Grappapappa I am sure she had her notes and knew very well what she was going to say and how to reason. Besides, this is her entire philosophy, called post-humanism. I'm being facetious in my post.
The problem with "Black Lives Matter" is that it really should be "All Lives Matter"? She doesn't even pause to mention that this is exactly the line--cynical and calculating though it may be--used by white supremacists to downplay BLM's attempts to sensitize the populace to victims of police brutality. Is that wee bit of political context not relevant to her grander aspirations to philosophical consistency? EDIT: I had the wrong impression of her argument. But I still think she fails to grapple with the depth of the cynicism from the other side (she calls All Lives Matter "misguided", a critique so mild as to be incorrect in the presence of the actual politics). Maybe as a philosopher, that's not her job....
that's not what she's saying. her response was, "of course all lives SHOULD matter, but black lives are in fact more precarious than white lives, and so assertions of universality obscure the issue". in fact, butler was one of the FIRST people to raise this issue (cf. NYTimes article that you failed to look up: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/whats-wrong-with-all-lives-matter/?_r=0)
@@JBoyettJBoyett Thanks for the article. I also read her interview with the NYT referenced in this video. In short, I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote this. I didn't rewatch the whole video now but I can't find where she's criticizing BLM, as I implied she was.
@@henryzhang6949 hey but maybe re-checking out the idea that a white person was one of the FIRST people to raise this issue? and re-directing towards the problem of who has an audience, who is showcased and acknowledged as one of the firsts ppl to raise the issue... the black community been restlessly raising the same issue, but who has the voice at the end? just to add, not to rest, to your comment
@@aghostina7111 In any movement, it's utterly important to have allies from different walks of life. That's one of the ways to get your voice heard above the water. Generally in life, too it matters to have comrades, I know this as a European Jew. Also remember, when someone from a ranks of the opposing majority raise their voice in solidarity with the oppressed--they also risk their lives. Learn to value their risk taking and their empathy, the latter is in short supply.
that was an example of white fragility. my comment pointed at the problem of calling a white person "the first person to raise that issue”. in no part of my comment any lack of value towards butler or white allies can be read. what happens next, the pointed problem is pushed back to invisibility, because someone will prioritize defending a white person stating that they are an ally, butler in this case (for no reason, because no attack to butler could be found in my comment), than reflecting on the white privilege that had been pointed at. it is very efficient at shifting the focus to whatever other angle and leaving another question of white privilege silenced. it is also very efficient bc instead of focusing on the raised question, it focus on the one who raised the question as someone who has to “learn to value...” another something, so it’s like suddenly they should be apologizing for having pointed at something racist (in this case, stating that "a white person was one of the FIRST people" to raise an issue that had been constantly raised by black people before, it’s racist, even if it was unintentionally
it starts as a physical feeling of frustration and restlessness and fist making and the desire to scream. this is even what people who are consigned to the mental health system or to homeless feel and do physically. the feeling of having no control makes your physical actions wild.
I realize it is pretty off topic but do anyone know a good site to stream newly released tv shows online?
The human as a category, as a norm, as a dependent idea surviving on exclusions and its elevated status. Fascinating!
But they ALL bleed red.
What about the reality of people which perceive only black and white?
Are you critical if you uncritically adopt Butler's critical views?
I agree that the concept of "the multitude" is really important, almost as important as the concept of "the risk".
Thank you so much for the video. Judith Butler is a great philosopher!
* Homeric laughter *
Shame on you.
Are you critical if you uncritically adopt Butler's critical views?
reminds me of 13:48 such a good point if you listen that it’s become frowned upon to speak in a humanistic way in political demands which are ultimately abbreviations of larger collective wills like. there’s less political focus and concentration was what i interpreted. also interesting to hear someone reflect on the misinterpretation of their own work…
the issue on the word sovereignty - yes people do associate that too much with the centralized power. another word would be much better. when trying to change the discourse then it is important to thumb through vocabulary for a word with a better resonance
I was waiting on her to also say whiteness, and heteronormativity as significant influencers when describing how the notion of the human is informed. She named manhood, reason, autonomy, civilizational norms, cultural and educational formation as all specific influencers that account for the formation of our contemporary notion of what counts as the human. All of which are very conservative and limited, as she knows and argues. I just would have liked Butler to take it further.
+Mac Morris That's the brilliance of her work. Most of the diction she elects to use can be applied to talk about a vast amount of issues that she believes are equally deserving for discourse. She purposefully tries to not limit her self in her writings or in her public lectures when she addresses various issues .However most people try to reduce her work to an essentialist argument or rather at least a singular restrictive way of viewing a particular social phenomena .
+Aerin Alese I like you saw elements of this video as an homage to to the recent protests spurned by the killings of unarmed Black men but I also saw it as an equal homage to the protests spurned by the political and social violence endured by members of the LGBT community , as well as demonstrations spurned by the bank bailout and the war against the middle class and working poor . Moreover I'm also sure that there's more protests and groups you can link to her theories on assembly and precarity that again are equally deserving for recognition.
if only she had a political agenda suited towards your values and social position ! aggh! if only she'd give a context in which specific categories were addressed as to elicit and cater a response from the position of certain centric minority groups, which could touch on their feelings of victimization!
instead of taking it further, she uses universal influencers that could be applied in value-neutral terms and towards any social/historical/cultural context!!! for shame!
Are you critical if you uncritically adopt Butler's critical views?
Are you sure you are not a stalinist?
I am confused. So I understand she is saying not to throw (deconstruct) the baby (humanism) out with the bath water. Then she states that the human is "sustained" by all the relationships. But does it *exists* all by itself still? Can it be boiled down to some minimum set of properties and attributes in ways that do not appear anthropomorphic? We stopped believing that the Earth is at the centre of the Universe a while ago, but we still have Earth.
These sorts of reasonings happen when you don't know what you will say when you begin talking.
@@Grappapappa I am sure she had her notes and knew very well what she was going to say and how to reason. Besides, this is her entire philosophy, called post-humanism. I'm being facetious in my post.
@@lunaridge4510 Butler is not a posthumanist; she is basically a social constructionist. The two are basically incompatible positions.
is there any video on her when she was young
No youtube in the 80s and 90s?
Are you critical if you uncritically adopt Butler's critical views?
jb has npr voice
Get that man a glass of water!
Muggah, muggah, muggah ...
The problem with "Black Lives Matter" is that it really should be "All Lives Matter"? She doesn't even pause to mention that this is exactly the line--cynical and calculating though it may be--used by white supremacists to downplay BLM's attempts to sensitize the populace to victims of police brutality. Is that wee bit of political context not relevant to her grander aspirations to philosophical consistency?
EDIT: I had the wrong impression of her argument. But I still think she fails to grapple with the depth of the cynicism from the other side (she calls All Lives Matter "misguided", a critique so mild as to be incorrect in the presence of the actual politics). Maybe as a philosopher, that's not her job....
that's not what she's saying. her response was, "of course all lives SHOULD matter, but black lives are in fact more precarious than white lives, and so assertions of universality obscure the issue".
in fact, butler was one of the FIRST people to raise this issue (cf. NYTimes article that you failed to look up: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/whats-wrong-with-all-lives-matter/?_r=0)
@@JBoyettJBoyett Thanks for the article. I also read her interview with the NYT referenced in this video.
In short, I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote this. I didn't rewatch the whole video now but I can't find where she's criticizing BLM, as I implied she was.
@@henryzhang6949 hey but maybe re-checking out the idea that a white person was one of the FIRST people to raise this issue? and re-directing towards the problem of who has an audience, who is showcased and acknowledged as one of the firsts ppl to raise the issue... the black community been restlessly raising the same issue, but who has the voice at the end? just to add, not to rest, to your comment
@@aghostina7111 In any movement, it's utterly important to have allies from different walks of life. That's one of the ways to get your voice heard above the water. Generally in life, too it matters to have comrades, I know this as a European Jew. Also remember, when someone from a ranks of the opposing majority raise their voice in solidarity with the oppressed--they also risk their lives. Learn to value their risk taking and their empathy, the latter is in short supply.
that was an example of white fragility. my comment pointed at the problem of calling a white person "the first person to raise that issue”. in no part of my comment any lack of value towards butler or white allies can be read. what happens next, the pointed problem is pushed back to invisibility, because someone will prioritize defending a white person stating that they are an ally, butler in this case (for no reason, because no attack to butler could be found in my comment), than reflecting on the white privilege that had been pointed at. it is very efficient at shifting the focus to whatever other angle and leaving another question of white privilege silenced. it is also very efficient bc instead of focusing on the raised question, it focus on the one who raised the question as someone who has to “learn to value...” another something, so it’s like suddenly they should be apologizing for having pointed at something racist (in this case, stating that "a white person was one of the FIRST people" to raise an issue that had been constantly raised by black people before, it’s racist, even if it was unintentionally