Goku vs Sonic - The Real Winner
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- In this video I go over who would win between Goku & Sonic at 4 different points of power in their respective franchises. Chapters are below for anyone who wants to skip around. Thank you for watching, please leave a like on the video, subscibe, & Join the discord server: discord.gg/era6
Intro: 0:00
Round 1 - Teen Goku vs Base Classic Sonic: 1:35
Round 2 - Buu Saga Goku vs Base Modern Sonic: 8:49
Round 3 - Post T.O.P. Goku vs Super Sonic: 22:58
Round 4 - True UI Gku vs Hyper Sonic: 27:54
Overall Outcome: 31:48
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Masked you gotta give your money for a egg man vs the DBS verse
@@gameuniverse5973 EEG man is scrambled egg if he fought against DBS verse💀
@borutardfan nah, he would mass producing cell max
@@AlriaGonzela man, eggman has 12D strength and survived something stronger than the source of super forms
I like how Sonic chills out at maybe Planet level then inexplicably jumps to Complex Multiversal with one transformation
Friendship, my guy
He isnt palnetary at base tho he atleast high universel if you see sonic arabien nights you will see
How is Sonic Planetary if he even beat a Planetary character? Its not like stats are relative to each other in Sonic like it is in DB, Sonic defeating something with weak durability doesnt exactly make him Planetary, Im not the best at scaling but this guy scales so weirdly, if I defeat a slow ass Mike Tyson whos as durable as a baby with bone cancer then does that make me Prime Mike Tyson level? And why does he just outright ignore the fact Kid Goku is Planetary level? Its so strange to me how he just ignores the giant ass holes in his scaling while also ignoring Gokus feats or scaling, its also notable that even Super Sonic could not defeat a Planetary being in frontiers as it was outright stated, so with all this negative feats, why does he just ignore these glaringly obvious holes?
That is why Hyper Sonic only appeared in one Game,why the fuck would you need more power?
base sonic isnt planet level at all, gens literally boots this man atleast unviversal
It’s bizarre seeing someone scale sonic properly after death battle had Mario beat him. They honestly had no idea what they were talking about
Right they downplayed him and Archie sonic
Mario is pretty fucking op too tho, luigi and him beat a reality warping bowser and a satanic star, and a bunch of demigods and eldritch creatures if counting paper mario
@Thatitalianlameguy when nintendo characters aren't used as a way to please fans after losses like knuckles vs dk and sonic vs Mario they are quite the underrated underdogs.
My guy, I'm sorry, but nine times out of ten, Mario claps Sonic. He's reacted to faster and has on a multitude of occasions been shown to be able to anticipate and avoid attacks executed in frozen time.
Let me repeat that: Mario can read and preemptively dodge attacks that are performed _when time _*_isn't moving._*
That kind of reaction time is almost as ludicrous as Popeye being able to occupy two places at once and fight himself. Not being as fast as Sonic doesn't even _matter_ at that stage, and he's got him outclassed in strength, experience and versatility by default. Couple that with a vastly larger arsenal and more continuous and regular cosmic feats, and it's in the bag.
Hell, Mario survived being sucked into the epicenter of a supermassive black hole that destroyed the universe, followed by a new big bang. Mario was in ground zero of the death and rebirth of existence, _and he was fine._ That's not even the RPGs, that is a mainline platformer feat.
@@MagnificantSasquatch hate to break to you but the second sonic goes into his super form its over for mario
I think an important thing to note about Modern Sonic is that he beat Perfect Chaos in base, and he needed Super Sonic to beat him in Adventure, which either implies Perfect Chaos is weaker now for some reason or Sonic got a Super Form level increase from Adventure to Generations.
Edit: Rip the editor lmao
One cool detail supports your latter hypothesis which is Sega insistence on "Sonic gets stronger with every game" going back to the Classic Era where they insisted by Sonic 2, Sonic has gone faster than ever than during Sonic 1. This can be seen as physical growth, but later on in the series, it's just stated Sonic when serious just has endless amount of growth that can be amount to getting 2x stronger with every minute which already is broken when stacking with limitless speed and Sonic somehow able to amp that up since the Classic Era.
He also beat emerl who not only had all the emeralds, every character in the games battle data (meaning he was basically a super sonic, shadow, amy, knuckIes, etc) but he beat him in base and in 30 seconds.
But can you really scale Perfect Chaos to some of these other threats or was Super Sonic just that much over Perfect Chaos or that version of Super Sonic and thus Sonic say got strong enough later to beat a PErfect Chaos who sort of didn't compare to later threats?
Sonic has stupid accelerated development.
When sonic fought infinite in a rematch and sonic beat him infinite asked how did he become so strong and sonic says he grows every second so sonic’s potential is insane
Chaos Energy seems to be arguably the most broken source of power in fiction. Like, to go from base Sonic to Super Sonic is like going from an obese and jobless reddit moderator to Soul King-absorbed Yhwach Bach in a few seconds, you can't make this shit up.
It truly is. The original concept of the Super form was to be a reward for the player for taking the effort of going for completion by collecting the 7 Chaos Emeralds, like it's telling us: "great job, here, for your hard work YOU BECOME GOD for the final stomp".
And it's great
And the fact that is canon that Sonic CAN grow in power fast enough to surpass or at least match previous super forms with generations where he fought enemies that he previously needed a super form to even have a chance (perfect Gaia,and the biolizard),so you could Argue that current Sonic is stronger than 06 super Sonic,maybe even unleashed super Sonic,why?
Because A,he already had +6 months of getting power thanks to fórces,and all the stuff inbetween this Game and frontiers (team Sonic Racing,the IDW comics and stuff)
And then,in frontiers Sonic gets a "potential unleashed" treatment in frontiers thanks to the hermit and Elder kocos,like if level 1 Sonic in frontiers,is already kind of superior to forces Sonic,then what the heck is level 99 Sonic?,hell the end powered Sonic Up along the adventure with various tecniques,so Sonic becoming stronger in frontiers is pretty much canon
Also- according to Sonic Team when making the Classic Era, Chaos Energy on its own is Omnipresent, and acts as an Super-Substance that gives energy to everything within Sonic's Universe before the Universe was later opened up into an vast and open-ended Cosmology.
Super Sonic literally can never run out of Chaos Energy if just siphoning it from the Air while the Emeralds have the same energy magnified by an infinite fold. Sort of the reason why why 1 Emerald can just stop Space-Time while 2x Emeralds just manipulate Concepts freely such as Time Travel paradox-free.
Not really, things like plot manipulation, mathematical manipulation etc do that just better
Correct me if I'm wrong but that would be a source of power right?
@@TheOrcKatariChaos energy: OP power source.
Omnitrix: OP gadget.
My favorite sonic scaling channel
Ikr
You should also check out SaiyanScholar he delivers amazing content as well
Masked really made six a sonic scaling channel
@@TheCanineContrarian yes he is both good at sonic and dragon ball
And for some reason, mario fans think that mario can solo goku and sonic with the white toonoki suit?
THIS is how vs battle videos should be made. Snappy editing, solid tracks, factual statements,counter-arguements. Great work Six. Genuinely entertaining and informative
Heh. Nice
Counter-arguments especially
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1:35 - Tekken Tag Tournament Ending Music
4:01 - Sonic Unleashed - Windmill Isle (Day)
6:23 - Tekken 6 OST: Electric Fountain (Karma)
8:49 - Tekken: Dark Resurrection - Hall of Fate
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Sonic's feats become a bit more impressive when you realize that Sonic took a beating multiple times in Sonic and the Black Knight while trying to fight the Dark Queen in his base form while wielding Caliburn. Even after Caliburn *shattered in two* Sonic was still willing to fight back no matter what, which eventually resulted in the lost power of Excalibur returning causing Caliburn's broken remains and Sonic himself to power up into Excalibur and Excalibur Sonic respectively after the three Sacred Swords were used to assist Sonic.
Adding on to that, the game prior in the Storybook duology, Sonic and the Secret Rings has Sonic facing up against and then *defeating* Erazor Djinn, the Genie of the Lamp, *while at death's door* thanks to the Flame of Judgement Erazor originally tried to cast at Shahra and is constantly *draining his LIFE FORCE* and *is almost GONE* by the time he uses the White World Ring of Wishes to open the doors to the Night Palace and was most likely fading away even more while running through the floating palace considering Sonic half jokingly asks Erazor to add a bit more to the Flame of Judgement still stuck on his chest.
Adding even more on top that, Sonic once got infected with the Metal Virus, a liquid metallic substance that turns any and all living things into machines. During a scuffle with two Zombots (a term coined by Sonic) Sonic himself was infected while fighting them and unfortunately kept making it worse by fight more and more Zombots head on. He was able to his speed to run off the infection, but eventually it was starting to fail after multiple physical contacts with Zombots and he could only hold it back at that rate. Eventually at the final issue of the Zombot arch Sonic almost fully succumbs to the Metal Virus only for Sonic to turn Super and literally burn it off and with the help of Super Silver and another reality warping gem known as the Warp Topaz, sends every last ounce of the Metal Virus to the f*cking Sun but unfortunately Sonic winds up in the Sol Dimension for an undisclosed amount of time.
And before anyone tries to correct me saying the events that take place in the IDW Sonic comics aren't canon, Sonic makes a reference to the comics by mentioning Tangle the Lemur, an IDW Sonic character and the IDW Sonic comics follow the same events as the games as the previously mentioned Tangle first appeared in issue 4 of the IDW Sonic comics which follows the aftermath of Sonic Forces, a mainline entry in the Sonic franchise. (Sticks the Badger is also mentioned in the ending.) And also, Tangle and Whisper (another IDW Sonic character) appear in Sonic Dash and Sonic Forces: Speed Battle as playable characters.
Also, never piss Sonic off. Dude broke the *sound barrier FOUR TIMES in a ROW* in issue 42 all because The Deadly Six thought they were clever with attacking Restoration HQ while no one strong or capable enough was around. If Sonic didn't know how to control his speed I'm pretty sure The Deadly Six would just be The Dead Six because I shutter to think about what the impact of the force behind Sonic would be like after he stopped moving.
Let's not forget about escaping null space
Right and for people who throw the “ it’s not canon” sonic mentions both story book games in both generations and frontiers
@@gamingwithjay9728 That's true, but was with the help of the Avatar character via Double Boost.
But that being said, Double Boost itself technically first appeared in Generations 3DS at the end of the Time Eater fight when both Super Sonics combined their powers to unleash the stronger Boost which completely obliterates any attacks the Time Eater sends to the hedgehogs. Even though Classic Sonic never learned the Boost itself until the ending of the game. The positions of Classic Super Sonic and Modern Super Sonic even match up with the Double Boost positions the Avatar and Modern Sonic are in during the technique!
And considering neither Classic Sonic or the Avatar character have the Boost in their moveset, even though it was teased that Classic Sonic might have some variation of the Boost in the teaser reveal trailer and both iterations of Classic Sonic (Console/PC & 3DS) learn the Homing Attack in Generations regardless of which version you're playing, it might be possible Sonic can share the Chaos Energy he uses to Boost with other people who interact with him or help him out. I mean, in both Sonic Heroes and Sonic The Hedgehog (2006) Super Sonic transfers Chaos Energy to Tails and Knuckles in Heroes and Shadow and Silver in '06 to allow the respective duos to go Super. Although in the case Tails and Knuckles they gain odd Shields that mimic what the Super Transformation is like.
@@ulquiorracifer__ And typically in a DRAGONBALL debate, these are the same people who will use non-canon feats and/or characters when they feel they are losing a debate
"The Dead Six" ohmygod that's funny
15:10 he still managed to diss ichigo 😂😭
This man really doesn't like Ichigo 😂
I mean is he wrong i think that attack would eradicate Ichigo aizen black box only disrupt it and grim also did the same time while that attack straight up erases or tears it apart
It's over...
When he was talking about the egg man robot in round one he put in quotes that it “bullies the soul society” 💀😂
What did ichigo do 😂
Sonic having space time erasure resistance actually makes sense because if he didn't have that resistance, everytime he would move faster than space time, his atomic structure would probably be burned up
It really doesn’t flash is sad to be faster and he still can’t resistance getting deleted from reality so that’s just bs
Then I’m trying to figure of why people still debating when sonics creator said he can’t beat goku 💀💀 dude said this a awhile ago yet CZcamsrs still be trying to over rule it like it’s they character and they know better then the creator
@@ka_killers2088 the comic writer doesn’t realize how strong he made Sonic. In other words, he sucks at powerscaling his own verse.
@@ka_killers2088 why are you so butthurt over a cartoon hedgehog vs an martial arts alien
@@mukuroikusaba7347 butt hurt? Please don’t try to read people emotions thru a phone screen you makes you look stupid.
Also, fun thing to note; Archie Comics sonic can be measured to have immeasurable speed as during the Mega Man crossover, time was stopped and sonic was still able to move, similar to sonic generations' "white space" and the whole not having time thing.
Immeasurable*
Easy mistake regarding terminology:
Infinite Speed: Can travel an infinite distance in any amount of time.
Inaccessible Speed: Can move even when time is stopped or otherwise completely absent.
That was Sonic Man against Flash Man not the actually Sonic so I don't know if it scales
@@joeda900 That was a robotized Sonic, so it should count.
@@joeda900 that was sonic
The amount of work that has been put in this video makes me realize that we don’t deserve six, he’s just the GOAT when it comes to these types of videos
Bars.
bro said kid buu was stronger then buuhan and that he destroyed a galaxy in an instant though 🫠
We know he had help from he who shall not be named.
@@AFed69 kid buu is stronger tho ☠️
@@AFed69 Kid Buu was more "dangerous" because of his being pure evil, not stronger but he is right about Kid Buu having the power to destroy a galaxy in an instant, it was stated many times that the universe would be destroyed if they lost.
Yugi: human level strength
Yugi: "I believe in the heart of the cards and my friends"
Yugi: *bench presses galaxies*
It's criminal how under utilized Hyper Sonic is. I remember the exhilaration I got when I first achieved this form playing Sonic as a kid. Only to be let down that it never came back or at least to my knowledge it hasn't
I'm pretty sure it was only mande because of the fact that Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 3 being separate games, so that they could have a reason for the players to collect the chaos emeralds in both games
@@PonderedSwine Whatever the reason it was pure genius
@donavanfrea6768 and with update 3 of Frontiers coming soon, there is a chance Hyper can return.
@@christopherford39 Pretty sure the director for the game said that Hyper isn't coming back (didn't say why, probably because of the massive power increase that they wouldn't realistically be able to fit well into the story) BUT they did say that they wanted to give Sonic some new kind of form soon... so a possible Cyberspace-powered form could be happening.
@@lukasruston8618Love the fact you basically predicted new Sonic Frontier events for the new update without realizing it lol, and in all seriousness I don’t think Hyper Sonic should even be battle applicable for Sonic anymore simply due to the fact since its officially stated never being able to come back into the series, and even making sure they made up lore event to not be able to return because they’re in another place entirely, more than shows imo this form was a one off thing in the classic run and shouldn’t even be canon let alone scaled and calculated since its a boost too large to even be consistent for Sonic lore, and plus I like Sonic’s new Cyber Space Super Form anyway, its boost is kinda massive in its own right, despite us not truly knowing what it brings to the table, but hey at least its canon and can be used ☠️(even tho it might be a one off form)
I love when Six talks about scaling outside the naruto verse. Dude is most knowledgeable on Naruto of course but its cool seeing him scale other verses
16:27 who knew heart soul n friendship can make u a 6th dimensional tier power🤔
Persona and kingdom hearts
@@gameuniverse5973 facts
@@gameuniverse5973 people think manga, comic, and anime characters be busted but I swear video game characters are something else
@@gameuniverse5973 I remember learning Persona scaling. Shits wild man.
Sora from kingdom hearts be like:
Forgot to mention one thing about the Emerl feat.
Emerl has also absorbed all 7 Chaos Emeralds over the course of Sonic Battles story, so during the time Emerl and Sonic fight, Emerl has the power of the Chaos Emeralds and the excess energy of the supposedly multi-star level Final Egg Blaster, and Sonic beat him in 30 seconds.
He literally mentioned the feat in this video ☠️
@@Oreo_166 I meant the whole 7 chaos emeralds in emerl theme
Didn't he also copy everyone's skills including Sonics ?
@@AVAgustusCeaser yes, full power emerl has access to every single skill available in the game, meaning he can perfectly replicate everyones fighting style.
Well,Prime Now being after Advance 3 makes Sonic Having Low Battle Skill kind of Null,because afterward we can see he clearly Got Waaaaay better
You forgot to mention that Emerl was also being powered by the 7 chaos emeralds, which merge entire universes together with the sol emeralds. Making Base Modern Sonic arguably Universal + as a highball. He also defeats Perfect Chaos in base who would scale to this as well in base.
He isn't using them to their full reality warping capabilities tho, just as a power source, which means he should have enough energy to split the planet apart with ease and destroy stars
Sonic's potential for growth is insane. Sonic has grown so strong so fast man.
exactly bro
honestly you could say the same for goku, both of them grow at an extremely fast rate
@@ImHeggHogg I would enjoy to compare notes and details on both their growths, but one glaring difference is Goku during Long Fights has to conserve stamina to keep using Ki Attacks and Forms while Sonic.. has no cap on his stamina in normal situations including fighting as Sonic spends his game just staying awake non-stop to even without food depending on perspective.
@@ImHeggHogg sonic has more potential, he fight caos a first time and was needed super sonic to beat it.
Months later soni fight with him again and beat it without need super sonic
goku has more than 40 years old, sonic has only 26
Sonic's Growth is impressive
feels good to be a huge sonic fan
You really believe that sonic can beat Goku 😂😂😂 white people I swear
@OzSkeeOz Fr
@OzSkeeOz Sonic would easily destroy Goku then since the only major power boost Goku would have is Kaio-Ken and he can't use that for prolonged periods nor is it anywhere close to the level of Super Saiyan.
@OzSkeeOz Hyper Sonic = UI
lol
@@Best_Ship_Ever Nah Super Sonic is actually enough to beat MUI Goku
Bro I can’t believe that Six got paid THAT MUCH to do a Sonic video 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Masked has that drug dealing money I swear
How much
@@dantemitsoyu977 idk I’m not Six
@@dantemitsoyu977 Six said on stream that he’d do this video for like 1-3k can’t remember the exact amount.
More Star Wars, Sonic, and anything else you find interesting would be cool, I enjoy the in-depth explanations in your videos
What an absolute banger of a video! I love seeing people who normally scale anime or other specific genres attempt to branch out into different verses, it's a nice change of pase and gives less frequently scaled verses some deserved spotlight.
you have no idea how long ive been thirsting for you to cover this. Ive never smiled so hard to seeing a video on my feed. I havent even watched the video but I know im gonna love it regardless. Six I love you so much you’re killing it. Please make more sonic related videos.
Not sure if you'll see this comment but it is important to note that the spin off games are canon to the main Sonic continuity based off of the comment made in Generations where he mentions several spin offs. There might be some scaling there that could upgrade Sonic.
Magiaryworld was one of them which he mentions in the vid.
You could say the same for both sides, like if we include some of the feats he didn’t mention like Goku shaking the void with his existence alone. Or sonic outrunning nullspace with someone with him
@@jayscription6376 I don’t think those feats are canon cause goku never mentioned it again
Secret Rings has some OBUNGA level feats for Sonic, some of his most impressive of all time.
@@daseal1479 yeah those are a whole nother "can of worms"
Thank you for giving Game Sonic his flowers. Although not as BUSTED as Archie Sonic, he can very much still hold his own against juggernauts.
Your videos and the effort and personality you put behind them are off the charts in therms of quality and enjoyment. So much so that Im able to watch a 30min video about 2 characters I find boring and couldn't care less about.
I like how prime showed us that sonic only knows the most basic of fighting while relying more on his speed, while shadow has speed but also knows how to fight better and uses both to get the upper hand at first. This could give sonic a reason to actually learn how to fight from knuckles or even shadow himself later
When you can punch someone at mach speeds there’s really no need to learn to fight.
I haven't even watched Sonic Prime but dang
Prime sonic seems much more immature so he's not the best version to go off of. Frontiers shows that sonic definitely know how to fight
@@devEdev1100 Not only Frontiers, but also Sonic Battle and Sonic the Fighters as well. And that one little segment in Forces where Sonic just beats the brakes off Zavok.
But looking at the games specifically secret rings base sonic there is arguably stronger than all 3 super hedgehogs in 06 which is were shadow and silver peak,being that strong really doesn't encourage learning fighting styles.
The answer to the question ive been waiting for since i was 5 😭
what??
No way.. he ACTUALLY did it. Haven’t started watching yet but I’m impressed you were able to even get a video made on the topic💯
Sonic in base has demonstrated Universal - Multiversal scaling with Secret Rings, Black Knight and more. He has more Universal or higher feats in base than star level ones I'd argue.
I'd argue end of DB Goku to planet to large planet too.
Good video overall, Six.
Not to mention that Sonic R has shown the Emeralds are able and contain their own Universe's which contain no trace of physics, are potentially endless and just a fraction of the Emeralds power which the Classic Era has built Classic Sonic has having surpass the power of an Emerald by Sonic 2.
The series is vastly underrated, just one thing that comes to mind would be rapid and monstrous jumps in power such as how Mania Sonic after going through Forces was undeterred and stalemate Classic Metal who was Amped on the Master Emerald.
Maybe Sonic's got Universal and Multiversal Durability since in Base he survives hits from things like the Dark Queen (who most definitely is trying to kill him) and Time Eater (being Piloted by the Eggmen so it's most DEFINITELY trying to kill him), but I don't see it being for his AP.
@@sonicandshadowsjunction It was Sonic's AP when vastly weaken that did damage enough to basically blitz Erazor Djinn who was borderline close to Merlina's power by the end of the game without the World Rings.
You could easily scale base sonic in secret rings to high hyperversal+++ just with metaphysics and astral planes
@@marcxworld5708and his speed as being immensely faster than Buu since it’s stated in Secret Rings and implied in Black Knight that after Sonic’s adventures concluded in those respective worlds, he ran between universes to get back home, which, uh… I think running between universes that all have trillions and trillions of galaxies is faster than Buu moving through a single galaxy in a second or so.
Just by a few seconds you can tell this video quality is amazing
Honestly, this video is amazing. Especially, with regards to Sonic's scaling.
Absolutely Love the Editing ❤
I'm gonna disagree with the Modern Base Sonic rounds because there are scans for Erazor Djinn that put him at multi-universal with a weakened Sonic beating him. It also doesn't make sense to use Kid Buu destroying a galaxy for both a destructive capacity feat and a speed feat. It has to be either/or.
Hyper sonic is kind of hard to scale since we’ve only seen him once in s3&k. But I still agree he would slam goku
There is two ways of scaling hyper Sonic,either he is x7 times super Sonic,or he is the super Sonic of súper Sonic
(As in,if base Sonic is a 1,and súper Sonic is 1.000,hyper Sonic would be 1.000.000)
@@gabrielmachado1247 I go by a mixture of both to be honest. The Super Emeralds would be the Super Form version of the Emeralds since we see Robots, and Animals able to become Super which would hint that the only thing left would be objects which make the Super Emeralds fall into that category.
I say 1 Super Emerald = 7x Chaos Emeralds which makes it an odd number of Hyper Form being 49x stronger than Super Form. This comes from how Archie Series has an Super Emerald able to let one achieve a Super Form implying both are somewhat equal in power.
My headcanon simply includes the Master Emerald as its own supplying the Super Emeralds which makes 50x Super Sonic. It may sound limited, but this would be an multiplier of infinite-stats such as how spin-dash takes Sonic to his peak speed but moves like Peel Out, Light-Speed Dash or Boost are several folds faster than the regular spin dash. Also, in canon example would be Metal Sonic who matches Sonic's limitless speed but uses Maximum V Overdrive to go 4x faster than Sonic; who can keep up with Peel Out which is an older technique that would be surpassed by Sonic's growth and later techniques like Light-Speed Dash and Boost.
@@Rathalos2428 You can't really put a number on the chaos emeralds. They're stated that even a SINGULAIR chaos emerald has infinite power (that could either mean just infinite stats or just infinite power that could be withdrawn from) now imagine all 7. A singular super emerald is obviously stronger than the chaos emeralds combined, just imagine all 7 super emeralds.
@@RadicalBoiChris hyper
@@RadicalBoiChris i think its kinda like enerjack. your only as strong as your imagination. seeing as sonic is only known for kicks, he really don't be using the power of super other than for the huge power boost
Amazing job my dude. So much went into this video, and as I big fan of both series; I really enjoyed it.
The way you explained and the way I already understood the two characters I took a guess at who takes and I got it everytime
Cool video, had a lot of fun watching it. I do have some questions about the Buu Saga vs Modern Sonic section though. I haven't seen your other Sonic video, so if those answered my questions, I apologize in advance.
1. I remember Sonic beating Infinite by his lonesome about halfway through Forces, so would he still be amped by the power of friendship during that feat? It's not unheard of for Sonic to surpass previous versions of Super Sonic, we saw Generations Base Sonic defeat Perfect Chaos after all.
2. We've seen Sonic keep pace with space ships in Colors, so there's reason to believe he's faster that Dodon Pa's rocket ship that traveled in the quadrillions of times the speed of light. I know Buu saga characters can upscale from similar feats, but I figured it'd be worth bringing up.
3. You could argue immeasurable speed for Base Sonic since the CD guide you showed credits Sonic's speed for creating a time warp.
You already talked about how "traveling through time and space" was metaphorical in Generations, but what about Sonic restoring time through speed? I'm not sure if I'd say that's just an ability since Sonic's speed is credited for the restoration, not any hax or special circumstance. I'm surprised you didn't mention Egg Reverie Zone and how its HUD timer was constantly jumping to different points in time, that'd at least scale to Super Sonic, but also Base Sonic since he only transformed after entering the zone.
I understand inaccessible/immeasurable speed is weird for both Goku and Sonic since every piece of media featuring them shows time pass as they do things. But I suppose we can say the same thing for even lower speed scaling, like an MFTL+ Goku and Sonic would have no trouble crossing global distances in femtoseconds, yet the Broly Movie and Sonic Unleashed show them opting for plane travel instead. Same for many Attack Potency feats, even scaling both to Planetary levels would mean stomping a little hard would surface-wipe their worlds.
Overall, the video was still good and I look forward to see what you make in the future.
this was alot more interesting than i thought it will be
Great video man happy it came across the timeline lov the music too 🍻
I didn't expect this vid to be so interesting, great job. 👍
subbed for the naruto stuff but this other verse scaling fire af G keep up the good work
In the DBS anime, the hit timeskip statements are valid. The manga is the one that declares his timeskip doesn’t work really on people with higher strength. This isn’t the case in the anime as timeskip works even on SSBKK Goku later on and Hit is stated to not grow in actual strength at all. The timeskip shouldn’t even work nor the time cage at all against Jiren if the ki thing was just 100% valid. But I don’t think it changes much anyways
The timeskip still works on Goku, but since Goku has a higher PL it means that Goku has higher resistance to its effects. The higher pl you are than Hit the more resistance and then immunity you get
@@kanewilson8624 in the anime that’s not indicated at all. I’ll agree it’s written very poorly in the anime, but the whole higher power so you get resistance thing just isn’t really prevalent there. Hits timeskip at its weakest was still too much for Vegeta and Vegeta states that Hit lacks strength. Goku had to develop a skill counter (that doesn’t make too much sense) but hey, he did what he did.
Even if the Higher Power Level thing is how it works, it wouldn't really stop something like Chaos Control where it's shown to work on characters of equal strength. If Infinite's Phantom Clones are as strong as the originals as stated, then Shadow chaos controlling his clone and Sonic shows that their hax works regardless of strength so Goku's getting stopped regardless.
@@sonicandshadowsjunction nah, people like guldo from early dbz could this and they still beat him.
@@jayscription6376 They only won from their Universe rules while Chaos Emeralds have shown complete control beyond the Multiverse such as repairing Dimensions/Universes that are not part of Sonic's Timeline such as the Sol Dimension, MaginaryWorld and White Space.
Underrated channel, hope you get more recognition because the editing is awesome.
The editing on this video was on Point. Super solid video
Hey 6 I remember you saying you liked the Elf Arc of Black Clover,
I think it would be pretty dope to hear your takes on the power scaling of the series at that time , considering it’s a highly debated topic
I do like that arc but. I do not like Black Clover & I would absolutely hate to re read it for a video. Sorry man.
@@sixfromtokyo that’s fine my guy, I understand
keep up the content tho it’s been fire lately 🔥
@@sixfromtokyo What exactly do you hate about Black Clover?
@@davizi6146 Really Everything post Elf Arc. Before that I wouldn't say I loved the series but I like it enough to buy all the manga volumes.
@@sixfromtokyo
One thing could I just know why you say 5D is wank when the statement and feat are pretty blatant ?
This is only Videogame Sonic from what he had shown, so imagine how strong Archie Sonic would be if this Sonic is this strong
Archie Sonic 1 shots Goku. But if we're using Archie Sonic we also have to use Goku's other versions that 1 shot even Zeno and the Grand Priest.
Hell, even Xeno Krillin 1 shots the Grand Priest and Zeno from the main timeline.
And let's not bring out GFG, because he's 1 shotting Archie, since he's boundless and "above fiction" since he fused with a metaphysical version of the audience (which is all of us.) And as real people we're boundless.
@@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia I'm finna solo goku ong
@@LightLemon. No offense, but you would have to solo yourself, and every other human to solo GFG. Since he's part of all of us.
@@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia I would beat the shit out of myself. I do it on a daily basis.
@@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia Is God fusion Goku official, or is he fan made?
Keep up the good work, six!
Awesome video dude, nice to see you’re doing Dragon Ball contact as well.
🤞For Xeno Goku vs Archie Sonic in future.
I really enjoyed the video. To my view I thought sonic in frontiers was way beyond universal strength. But is it possible u could do a power scaling for frontiers sometime.
Gotta love the Tekken Tag Tournament OST in the video. 🙏🏾
Great video and great music choice, you love to see it
Love the video keep up the good work 👏
Great vid. I was worried you wouldnt use Classic Sonic from Mania and that youd highball Sonic but you discussed both favourable and more stringent scales for him. So it feels more like an unbiased scale presenting both sides of the arguement. I just have a few questions relating to scaling for Sonic.
What I dont understand too well is the use of hyper sonic because it does not have much showing outside of Sonic 3. and at best we can only say it improves Sonic's speed, strength and various other stats by an unquantifiable amount
The other is your point about the power of friendship recharging the sol emeralds (tho it should not effect scaling too much) Im split on that because we know how strong the power of friendship can be (like you mentioned before it helped Sonic and the avatar to fight full powered infinite) so its definitely super strong.
but from my understanding the chaos emeralds are just able to react to and be influenced by emotions in general, not necessarily the power of friendship.
In the jp manual for Sonic Adventure when it discusses chaos it explains that it was chaos negative emotions that the emeralds then amplified and transformed him into perfect. Chaos energy has also shown similar reactions like with the guages in Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 where it increases his chaos abilities. So it could be that just emotions in general effect the chaos emeralds and not just the power of friendship being that strong.
Another thing is that you made a mistake by saying the maximum overdrive makes CD Metal Sonic 4x faster than light. Its acceleration is said to be faster than Sonic's so it will REACH lightspeed before sonic not necessarily have higher speed. In game it DOES have higher speed but I dont believe its 4x
super sonic (game) would win in a fight against goku (anime or manga)
This is a certified hood classic
you got my sub if you're doing more content like this fr
Wow, the quality of ur videos are top notch 👌🏻.
I know im probably in the minority demographic content wise, but yo Six if you keep putting out Sonic videos i'll definitely come through and watch all of them.
Also, id be curious to see how youd scale Archie Sonic in general.
Nice vid bro, take care and have a good day
Bro. I'd watch like and share a video from Six on Archie Sonic's scaling any day. I never read any of the Sonic comics but I've seen video addressing the story, themes, and scaling. Sonic is beyond comprehension of how busted he is in that comic.
@@KIDInuyasha96 Archie Sonic is a different beast, his feats are actually insane and I honestly don’t know what would be a good matchup for that Sonic cuz I think that version stomps Goku way harder
@TheKillaBoy 88 unless its like a cartoon character like popeye or spongebob where nothing can really defeat them since they are broken "gag" characters. I do agree no one i know could contend with that version of Sonic.
@MoloTurbo hahah probably but if it lets him throw more shade at the Bleach verse, I'm sure he wouldn't mind 😂
@@KIDInuyasha96 bro really be dunking HARD on Bleach it’s funny asf though 😂
Also, it is stated that every time Sonic finishes using the emerlds, he also gets a power boost.
Where?
where was that stated?
comics as of right now
basically he fought a super form opposite version of himself, and he figured out since he got boosted upon depowring down from super form, that opposite version of him would do the opposite, so he tricked him to exit super form together and got the upper hand
@@ariffirdaus5376 in the idea comics
Bro really gave us all the knowledge we needed about these characters
Dang ima sup bc of that
now he has Super Sonic 2 😍
love your videos. can't believe I missed this one. but amazing job.
As a massive Sonic fan, this video gives me LIFE. I found you for the Naruto content but stayed for the Sonic love. My GUY! ✊🏽
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Since Saiyan's get more power during fights, that means that their ki control allows them to midigate damage, and since they have a sort of way to just handle infinite ki, this means that ki can work like a really slow heal when used by a master and if taken slowly, but what makes it weird is how vegito fits into this. Since both goku and vegeta's ki are being used, it's possible that every time they fuse to fight an opponent more powerful...enough then they get to abuse the zenkai boost through fusion (probably why the earings are only for supreme kai)
W video can't wait for the next
Nice video, what do you think about comp goku vs archie sonic??
I would love to see Six’s opinion on Mario vs Sonic.
mario ain‘t shit compared to sonic
Dang I wanted to hear the Zeno retrieval interpretations (Zeno destroys a timeline and makes a realm that lacks space and time)
Whoever edited this 🔥🔥🔥
Would love to see Shadow vs Vegeta next. Great video Six
I could kinda make a point about base Sonic immesurable speed scaleing
But it's kinda wage since it comes from a compearesing to an another character
So there was this one time, when Takashi Idzuka (head of sonic team) stated that game Sonic could rival the comic book version of the flash in terms of speed
And that's quite a speed scaling to say the list
If we go with the high end and take Wally West - the fastest flash in the comic books, well this guy has quite an amount of feats like outruning the imbodiment of deth or outpasring teleportaithion, we could actually kinda scale the last one to Sonic since he defeated Shadow a lot of times, and Shadow is not only the second fastest character in canon but also casually uses telepirtaition and time manipulation in his fights
We could also scale it to pre crisis superman who could travel in beetwen solar systems in a metter of seconds and from the flash rebearth we know that Barry Alen could otrun superman without breaking a swet and Wally is even faster than Barry, so we should at the wery list go way past kid Buu feats in terms of speed
You could find calculations on Wally West's top speed on the doctor comics chanel (not an ad or anithing) for exampel, and it's a big number to say the list, I honestly don't think even Whis could move that fast
So yeah you could kinda scale game Sonic to all of this, but only if you take that one statement from Idzuka as 100% canon
Also in sonic advance 2 and sonic rush Sonic opened portals to special stages, which are in another dimensions, useing his speed, which should be at least a 4d speed feat
Also this comment is way longer then I thought it woudl be, I'm sorry, I'm just kinda into power and speed scaling and I could get carried away sometimes
that grammar tho 😭
@@hajimemightflex5185 sorry
English is not my native language and I didn't have a lot of practice lately
@@EdgyTheHedgy891 ah ok
My question is- Sonic has all the speed, but how much power would his attacks actually have against Goku? No matter how fast you are getting hit by Jiren would be WAY worse than getting punched by Sonic..I mean look at those noodle arms😂
@@TheWhiteWolf2077 people are probably going to throw the whole momentum thing at you to make up for the fact that he's 3 foot tall and and extremely small body mass
I'll admit, I wasn't really expecting Sonic to be THAT powerful.
The craziest part is, Archie sonic (which is the comic version) is this strong in his base form and can scale up to outerversal with his super and ultra forms.
damn, that a nice editing right here
Welp, I wasn't expecting that... but good vid.
Extremely well edited and researched video. It never really occurred to me how broken Super Sonic is as a character.
I really like this comparison and interpretation of both Sonic and Goku and how the difference between Anime and Manga could affect Goku's scaling. For me, I always think True UI/MUI in the manga is weaker than in the anime since comparing the manga to the amine, Jiren doesn't seem to go full power in the manga, unless I forgot (that saga in the manga was pretty short). Then again, that wouldn't really matter since Goku would be stronger by now. Also, I notice you didn't mention the battle with Solaris in 06. I know it technically never happen in Sonic's timeline but would it make Sonic stronger or weaker compared to the feats you stated if you did use it?
he did mention the battle with solaris he just didn't go into detail about it
It did happen, thanks to generations (Time Eater) bringing back crisis city and Blaze remembering the events of 06.
You missed lots of things that you could’ve added to goku but W video as always
ya he seems to know more about sonic than goku. Still a good video though.
Goated video.
Great video man! Huge DB fan, even bigger Goku fan, and I've heard people say Sonic can beat Goku. Never argued against it, but I never knew why. This broke everything down wonderfully!
The madman finally did it
24:11 One thing to keep in mind, is that it's not known for sure if it was really a strenght/power feat, or hax, considering the only times the universe was in danger while in a fight, in DBS, is when gods of destrusction are fighting, and it's explicity showed that it's because of their unique energy at the beginning of the universe 6 tournament arc.
Although even if the main reason the universe was in danger, was hax based, i think it still require a lot of strenght for something like that to happen, so i could see SSGod Goku being able to destroy like, Half of the Universe, or even the Macrocosm. at the bare minimum, i would say SSGod Goku is at Galaxy Level. Sure the Manga, indicates that SSBlue is at Galaxy Level (That's indicated in the fight agains't Zamasu), which would put SSGod even lower than Galaxy, but i don't think that makes much sense, i think logically, SSGod should be at least at Galaxy Level, and that was probably a contradiction.
One more thing to keep in mind, is that Goku likely would not have survived the Macrocosm destruction, because Whiss stated that not even him would be able to survive that, and he is above the level of Goku and Bills. so even if he was capable of destroying the macrocosm or not, he would not survive that level of destruction.
I love the fighting game music used in this video
Great vid
Love to see Sonic winning Let's Go🔥🤝🏾
No bias just straight on info and proof. That’s what I like
There was some speculation, but mostly very well done.
W Tekken tag music, W video🔥
yo Six you play Tekken? loving the music you put in this vid
Very nice power scaling, Couldn't really say anything better, just wanted to point out how Sonic was able to survive in Null Space, "where nothing exist".
Goku has also survived similar conditions, so that's probably worth something
@TanDoesStuff goku hasn't, goku at best was in an area without time with his mortal body which was heaven, which can be debunked to king Kai allowing him to walk in it with his body.
I'm surprised he didn't mention that Goku said Granola and Gas were moving faster than instant transmission. Who true ui Goku now scales above.
That would mean that they were moving faster than instant.
@@burnttoast.2017 Yeah. Which is why I'm surprised he didn't mention that.
@@dbzmods6429 i mean,hyper Sonic would probably still be a tier or two above in speed
@@gabrielmachado1247 I don't know. We actually don't know how much faster Hyper is versus Super Sonic as we have only one reference point from one game.
The fact alone that they were moving faster than instant means it's a immeasurable speed feat. If Super Sonic has one of his own, we would have difficulty attesting who is faster as it's both a ridiculous feat.
I'd say that Goku would take this one, as he still is stronger and more experienced than Sonic is in hand to hand combat, even with Hyper, taking this guys Buu Goku highball.
@@burnttoast.2017 i really don't agree Here, because i think you are really downplaying Hyper Sonic,Hyper Sonic is deadass the super form of a super form,the chaos emerald obtain transformations,super forms of their own that Grant each one of then a similar power jump,and then Sonic gets all,that power imaginé the jump from base Sonic from Super Sonic,and do It again,but this time from super to hyper
Hell, Goku's experience and power (speaking as if he WAS stronger,something he is not) might not even Matter because none of Sonic's Hax are ki based,so Goku overpowering Sonic is not gonna save him from chaos control,time break,time stop,getting turn into rings,and Other shit Sonic can do and thanks to Sonic and the black Knight,we learn one of two things
Sonic's growth is insane as he goes from being unworthy of being killed by King Arthur to low-diffing him in a few days or sonic's learning speed is as high as everything else with him
And even more importantly,Six said It himself,HE WANKED GOKU for this video,and he still got stomped
this videe going CRAZY!!!
.... as someone who got constant chuckles of my old Username, GokuVSonic its fun to see this on my feed
Do Archie Sonic Vs Xeno Goku Next or Just DBS Goku
hardest thumbnail of the year
Ichogo be carching starys out here
Also good video :D
I didn't watch your Eggman video before this so when you said the death egg robot was planet level my jaw literally dropped
What about the manga feat of goku moving and talking to future zeno in a timeless void after the multiverse in the future was erased? Also weird to apply a manga statement on time skip to the anime.
Hyper sonic is Featless. But I do wish he made a Legit Appeance in the game Series and Have him provide Overpowered Feat That would be hard to top. Remember feats and calculations are more important than mere statemen8ts. Statements are only Legit when they are backed up With feats ands Calcs..
Didn't he appear in Generations?
To put it more clearly, h
Hyper sonic is an ascended version of super sonic, and super sonic is outerversal.
@igboamakauktv591 Super Sonic is not Outerversal. As for Hyper Sonic, you technically should've said it's a ascended version of Ultra Sonic since Ultra Sonic>Super Sonic and he only had 1 Mastered Emerald whereas Hyper has all 7 of them.
Hyper sonic's "feat" is just being the stronger form between the two
@@divine8405 yeah,the feats of hyper Sonic are the fact that Its extremely straigh foward scaling,everything full power super Sonic can do,hyper Sonic can do either 7x better,or straight up on a infinitely higher scale
So my bias for who would win between my childhood favourite anime character and childhood favourite game character was right???
But fr, this was a great matchup. The statements and counter-arguments all felt very factual and the scaling was top notch. Keep it up, Six. 👍
Finally, a good comment on this video
Dragon Ball, Sonic, and Undertale music in one video? This is why Six is awesome.