The Valley of Decision. Sermon on Joel 3:1-16.
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Thank you very good sermon
I needed to hear your sermon tonight. What a great blessing. Thank you Bro Matthew.
This was a great sermon brother Matthew, looking forward to your other teachings as well.
I really appreciate your teaching style , can also tell that there is great thought in your teaching layout.
Amen
Joel 3 is not talking about nations that hardened their heart to the gospel, it is talking about the nations that oppressed his people and parted his holy lands. If you don’t know who Judah and the Israelites are today, your end times prophecy will be extremely off.
Peter in Acts chapter 2 quotes the beginning of Joel chapter 2.
All end time views agree that God will have judgment on earth either before and after a 1000 year earthly reign of Christ (premillenial view)
or all at once time at Christ's return (amillenial view).
The premillenial view seems to put all of Joel in the future, even though the apostle Peter tells us the spirit of God came down at Pentecost and that Joel 2 was fulfilled at that day.
The blood, fire and smoke was the AD 70 Jerusalem judgment.
The amillenial view does not suffer whether the judgment mentioned in Joel 3 is at Christ's 2nd coming, is in this present age, in the past, or even a little of each.
The premillenial view, on the other hand, must look for as many scriptures as possible to try and make it look like there must be certain activities going on during a 1000 year future earthly reign of Christ.
@@joshuat7498 Respectfully you said a lot but didn’t answer my question. I don’t want to misrepresent you, what is your position on Joel 3? Are you saying that it already occurred in 70 AD?
@@Ryahn2893 Some parts of Joel 3 could be happening now and future, or just future. I don't see anything specific enough in the text to say it 100% has to be at a given time. Joel 3:1 is follows from 2:32 which mentions those who escape the AD 70 destruction and talks about restoring the fortunes of Israel through that remnant, which was now part of the Church. Some parts of Joel 3 could be future or past. In the new Jersualem of the Church, all the people in God's holy nation are "Holy to Yahweh" as Zech 14:20-21 says. See Haggai in 2:6-7, Joel 3:16, and compare it with Hebrews 12:25-28; Christ's kingdom cannot be shaken, the old covenant was ending(was being shaken) in the 1st century.
I see Joel 3:18 in light of Jesus' words in John 7:37-39, where Jesus says through the Holy Spirit, His people would have rivers of living water.
Joel 3 couldn't be read literally about rivers because rivers can't cross one another - it's an imagery and not be be taken with 21st century literalism, just like we don't milk mountains, see wine drip from mountains, or get milk and honey on our hands when putting our hands in rivers.
I recommend listening to Steve Gregg's take on Joel 1,2, and 3 for free from his verse-by-verse audio lessons on thenarrowpath dot com.
Certainly not enough room to put all the notes here.
But there are reasons to believe at least parts of Chapter 3 are fulfilled today.
Others could be at the present and future, or only the future.
If we aren't given a clear quote from the New Testament, we have to wonder if certain passages we already fulfilled 1000's of year ago, are present, or future, or a mix.
I don't want to go beyond the text.
If anyone says they know what every verse is saying, they're going beyond what can be known from the text itself.
Specifically with Joel, no one really knows the exact time period Joel wrote from, but it is quoted in the new testament.
Hope that helps at least a little, or at least gives some passages perhaps not considered or known about before and I admit I did not past my full chapter 3 notes - they would be too long for this venue.
Nor did I state the passages justifying the new testament apostolic teachings of the new vs. old Jerusalem.
You can get much of that from Kim Riddlebarger's youtube Amillenialism 101 course available free online, amongst other places to get free lectures.
No one I know in person is an amillenialist, so I don't have any motivation to have swapped from a dispensational view that I held for 20 years if I didn't see merit.
I don't expect what little I said here to be a defeater of any end-time views; I know what those passages are. The question was about Joel 3, and I gave some reasons to believe that at least part of the chapter is said to be presently fulfilled.
Proving that a certain passage is or isn't talking about a future battle can often not 100% be 'proved' until it happens.
Most of us cannot wait that long.
Sometimes we get the specificity we want, sometimes we don't.
@@joshuat7498 Thanks Joshua for taking the time to comment. While I respect your position I do see things differently pertaining to Joel 3 specifically.
Joel 3 is future prophecy. It is speaking in great detail about the “Day of the Lord” which of course is not a literal day but a time of judgement on the nations and restoration of Israel. Now I agree and disagree with you on a piece of what you said. During the restoration of Israel, the remnant of bloodline Israel will be regathered along with cleaving gentiles. The nation of Israel will be restored and the enemies who persecuted her will be judged. This is what Joel 3 is going into great detail to address. I do not believe in replacement theology. The modern church did not replace Israel although many today feel that way and in the other side, being an Israelite doesn’t mean you are saved. The Bible does say that all of Israel will be saved (regathered) but the rebels will be purged in the wilderness and will not be brought back to the land (Ezekiel 20:38). This is why knowing who blood born Israel is today is so important to eschatology and it also helps us understand who and why certain nations are being judged. They stole The Most High’s people and parted his land.
I always like to mention, we are ALL saved by grace through faith in Messiah but when we’re open and honest about who the people of the book are, we can rightly divide the Word.
Peace & Blessings.
Who is God’s people in Joel 3?
This is definitely talking about the transatlantic slave trade and they know it it's funny to watch them pretend like they don't understand😅
Contrary to Joel, which is a end times prophecy, Isaiah don't talk about the Gospel, but about the Millennium Kingdom, where the Mosaic law will stand for the righteous = sheep, which will enter in the Millennium Kingdom in their mortal bodies, contrary to the Kehila/Church, which will be in immortal body.
Where does the scripture say Isaiah chapter 2 refers to a future 1000 year reign of Christ on earth?
The premillenial view has many assumptions which contradict the teaching of Christ and His apostles, such as there being only one resurrection, not multiple.
There are many scriptures, but this one one:
John 5:28.
28. "“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,"
29. "and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment."
i. In the future (an hour is coming) there is a point in time where all people who have physically died (in the tombs) will be resurrected, both the righteous and the unrighteous.
ii. The premillenial view disagrees with Jesus in that it is held that there will be a 1000 year gap between resurrections.
iii. Jesus said 'an hour', not a period of time.
Jesus does not allow for a great deal of time between His 2nd coming and the eternal state.
I recommend looking at online teachings of Steve Gregg (thenarrowpath) and Kim Riddlebarger (Amillenialism 101) and search the scriptures for yourself.
Too many people only stick with what they were raised with and haven't studied the scriptures themselves like the Bereans.
Are you sure that this isn’t speaking about the harvest at the end of the age ? And your text could be speaking about the eternal state or resurrection?