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2021 Ram 2500 Gas? Why Not Diesel?
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- čas přidán 4. 02. 2023
- Going over my 2021 Ram 2500 and why I went with a gas engine and not diesel. What has gone wrong in the 67,000 miles I have had it and how long did it take to get fixed.
I’ve got a 2022 Ram 3500 with the 6.4 hemi and use it to tow my 40’ fifth wheel toy hauler. Trailer weights 13,000 empty and 16,000 loaded with our stuff. I ordered the truck with 4:10 gears and it works quite nice! I drive transport for a living so I’m very familiar with diesels… but when it comes to my own money, I would rather spend a little more on my fuel bill and a lot less upfront and on maintenance. Sure, you always get the argument of resale value in a diesel, but I custom ordered my truck so I plan on having it for a while
The plan to keep it forever helped in my decision.
I have a 2019 2500 6.4, really thought I was the only one towing a fifth wheel with this truck. It’s been absolutely great for us. Wouldn’t ever waste money on a diesel, between the upfront cost, and all the maintenance they require, and diesel being more, no point.
My truck does tow the fifth wheel pretty good, I am probably going to upgrade the brakes when I have to replace my pads though.
Why you felt that it wouldn't haul a 5th wheel?
How much weight are you usually towing with your 6.4?
I bought my 2022 RAM 2500 Hemi 4x4 Laramie as a daily driver with minimal towing. Very pleased with the truck.
I'm still super happy with my truck as well, it tows ok as well.
Ram has the best looking truck on the road, I was turned off from ram though due to crappy dealership and not honouring warranty issues. I own a 2019 2500 duramax . If I had my time back I would have bought the same truck in a gas engine. The price of diesel is outrageous. All the advantages of a diesel are gone now. The new gas engines can do the job when needed. Burning a little more gas is much cheaper than running and servicing a diesel truck these days.
I agree, I just do not tow enough to justify the diesel
Yup I agree with you I had a diesel way to much money in maintenance I switch to a half ton gas so far every 8 months all I've done maintenance wise is change the oil and rotate the tires 80 bucks that's it.
I wasn't towing near enough to justify it, I saved a ton of money.
Had a 2015 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi. Lifters were shot at 90,000 miles. Had a lifetime warranty so it was covered. Bad thing is they only replaced the lifters and not the cam shaft. Traded it in for a 2021 2500 with the 6 7 cummins. Should have done it a long time ago. It's so smooth pulling the 34ft rv. The hemi was fine but the diesel does it with no effort at all.
The diesel pulls better, and stops way better when towing. I don't tow enough with the truck to justify the extra cost.
Wait until you start having trouble with all The Government Enforced Diesel Emissions that are on that Diesel and you Will! it's not If its When! the new ones run in Regen about half the time I had a 2020 Ram 2500 Cummins and the last year I had it the truck was in the shop 96 Days and they will laugh at you if you want a Loaner I had 35000 K on it and traded for a 2022 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi so for its been good I pull a 30Ft 8000 Pound TT>>Good Luck with that Diesel and stock up on DEF fluid you will need it.
Jest remember P.M.C.S. (permentvent maintains checks and services).
I have a 2017 3500 6.7 and love it.
I do most of the maintains. (Oil change, fuel filters, fluid changes. 67k cleaning.
Def is a pain but it's not like you have too fill it up every time you fuel up.
I keep a small steam cleaner in the truck just in case I have to clean the DEF, it's been know to clog up by crystallized the injector.
Diesels aren't that bad if you know how to do simple maintains. Not trying to insult just saying.
Wanted to add on. Something are a pain. Like check engine light. Ram made it so you ether go too a dealer or an independent who pays corporate so they can check. That I will say is frustrating.
What do you mean not bad? That’s an amazing truck for what your needs are, I envy you.
Thanks man!
"Bare bones" trucks are now very nicely equipped, they are the best value out there.
I think so too.
Im a diesel mechanic. The 6.7 Cummins are pretty great engines, but all of the Emissions BS on new diesels is where you will have issues.
If you get a new diesel, you must get the Extended Emissions Warranty. I'd say there's a 99% chance that warranty will pay for itself. Once that warranty is up, sell or trade in the truck.
This is another reason I went back to gas. The emissions stuff kills trucks and itself.
Great advice. These small diesels are the fleece ops for the big 3. Fleece the diesel option @ 10k upfront, fleece the options to Laramie/Lariat minimum. Then raise the msrp to 92k for a Laramie like Ram did. And make it totally worthless past warranty. Lots of profit and a lifetime of extremely poor money spent for the consumer every 5yrs
Nice truck, I like the colour and the wheels! I bought a 21 2500 with the 6.4 as well - around here I feel like I’m the only one, since most get the diesel. I’ve had it two years, and went up from a 1500 as I felt our trailer was just too much for the half ton (only 7500 lbs loaded, but 34 feet and we’re usually pulling through the Rockies). I’m really liking it. Not fancy like our old Laramie was (it’s just a Big Horn) but everything I need and just drives so nice for a HD. Thanks for sharing this video!
The Big Horn is my favorite trim.
Nice truck! I did the same thing you did only I got a F250 with the 7.3 gas engine. I think diesels are awesome but for me it wasn't worth the extra cost being that I only take my trailer out 3-4 times a year. My new truck does not have all the bells and whistles as my old one did but the trade off is in the payload!
I've heard nothing but good things about that 7.3 gas.
I’m in the market for a truck to eventually pull my 35 foot camper. I wanted a diesel cummins 6.7L but I travel for a living but I’m not always towing. I will pull my camper to a camp ground and stay at the camp ground for 4 months and that will continue. So I think a 2500 gas is best for me. Agree?
We purchased a gas truck to tow our 36ft fifth wheel 12k lbs GVWR - I regret not going diesel. Hills suck, low speed throttle suffers and always having to find a large truck stop to fit at the gas pumps is always a bit nerve wrecking. If I had to do it over, I would go diesel regardless of maintenance costs and fuel.
Had a 6.7 Cummins for towing our 5er. It pulled great but today's diesels have way too much emission crap. First time you have a DPF, EGR, High Pressure Fuel Pump, Turbo, Injector etc,etc you will go gas. Also if you pick up bad fuel which is more common with diesel it's on you. Manufacturer does not cover. My new truck is a Ram 3500 with 6.4l Hemi and 4:10 rear. Pulls our 14,000# fifth wheel fine. No it doesn't pull like my Cummins did but it still does the job and doesn't break the bank to keep it on the road.
Just buy a ford 7.3L gasser and you won’t have to worry. I own a Ram 1500 right now and hope to upgrade soon.
Yeah except when you go to the resale you're going to lose a lot of money on a gas truck and you'll be suffering the whole time your towing because the diesel has way more torque. Also, you'll be working the engine hard so the gas mileage well you'll make up the difference. You should watch real world videos on people towing and gas mileage of the Cummins versus the gasoline engine. Have you plan on keeping the truck for more than a couple of years? Getting a diesel will more than pay for that checking of the box when it comes to resale as long as you check four-wheel drive.
@david what about those steep grades going down hill with gas instead of diesel exhaust braking ? ? Can you upgrade braking system on gas truck to be safer ? ? Thx 👍⚾️
Nice video, and I agree. Purchased a 2021 2500 CCLB long bed with the 50 gallon factory tank. No issues pulling my 10,000lbs Grand Design Reflection 28BH 5th wheel.
That is a nice camper! I am a huge fan of Grand Design.
I've done the samething to my last 2 truck 2017 Ford XLT and 2022 Ram 2500 tradesman when its time for new tires I just go to rim shops and buy takeoffs most are basically new and it's basically the same price as a new set of tires but you get the upgrade rim
I just got some new tires, it was more expensive than when I got the rims and tires.
Wheels are an excellent upgrade. Best factory wheels.
I thought so as well
That will be the option going for the gas 2500... The diesels have to many problems with those Def and DPF systems ...
This is one of the reasons I went back to gas, Def and DPS is no good for the engine in my opinion.
Love the vinyl interior! I put cover King vinyl covers on all my trucks as I is easy to clean dirt and dog mud. Wish that was an option on all grade trucks.
You may be able to special order it at the dealership. I have yet to order a truck though, so I could definitely be mistaken.
I have both. If towing daily 6.7 is a must
Diesel definitely does way better towing.
We have the same truck but a Laramie in the Delmonico Red but a 2019 and tow a 27’ Airstream (about 6500 lbs). It’s a great truck with the 8 spd trans. Once I forget to put it in Tow/Haul mode and noticed the computer’s MPG going up from previous stop. Trans dropped into 8th gear vs. 7 in Tow mode and occasionally the ECO light would come on (running in 4 cyl. mode). Mileage ranges from 10 - 12 on average. Have towed in the Rockies without a problem keeping up or slowing down. Great tow vehicle.
When the truck is in tow mode it disables the ECO mode, I am super happy with how the truck pulls heavy stuff down the road. The Laramie interiors are super nice!
Have you’ve been thru the steep grade passes of Colorado too ? Was wondering how the brakes hood up going down those long grades out west without the diesel exhaust braking ? ?
@@bobmariano3731 Yes, we did Colorado right after we got the truck and did Rocky Mountain National Park up and down several passes. Truck did fine towing the Airstream. I used the adaptive cruise which downshifted along with braking. I also used the manual gear selector on the steering wheel to engine brake - never felt like the brakes were taxed. Trans temps stayed within normal range too. The 2500 is built to take it with the 6.4 gas engine. And it’s 900 lbs less than a comparable diesel.
Yeah I have the 2022 with the 6.4 Hemi with 4:10 gears. I pull a 15k gooseneck dump trailer. I have no problem with my gasser whatsoever. I wanted a diesel but simple math change my mind .
Math is hard, but these newer gas trucks ain't that bad at stuff.
The maintenance on my 2015 2500 cummins is only the oil and fuel filter change. I do it myself once per year. Oil at costco is about $35, Oil filter is $15, air filter is $25, fuel filter at the engine bay is $50, fuel filter under the bed is $100. I never buy brand names and I never had any problems. Total is only $225 per year. A gasser will be around $125. So $225 is not so bad enough to not get a diesel.
I was never able to find the filters or oil for that price, not a bad price at all for your maintenance. Not sure if I could last one oil change a year though, I travel too much. It would be at least two or maybe three oil changes for me depending on how busy I get.
You don’t get it obviously. Is this your first diesel?
It was not
@@bandbworkx Unless you tow a lot it’s not worth the extra cost to buy, to maintain, and fuel prices over gas now.
@@jacksonflyingv5181 my thoughts exactly. Free education for the person that says its just the oil and filter that costs more haha that person would be carlo gal who is completely clueless and thats why I asked her if this was her first diesel.
My mechanic says the diesel comes in when towing 15k+ miles 100 days per year. If you aren’t doing that it’s not worth it. We tow 10k lbs of a 24’ enclosed trailer 20 days max. Our new Chevy 2500 6.6 works great for us. Oil change cost 72$ in parts. Honestly the only problem with the truck is the hood is too tall for my 5’6” short ass.
My thoughts exactly, them new Chevy trucks look good also. Do you like the new mirrors?
@@bandbworkx they are fantastic! Best visibility I’ve every had in a truck. Wish the lower “wide angle” mirror was power adjust but otherwise fantastic. We have an LT Alaskan package 6.6 gas.
I bought a new Arctic Fox camper and found a used 2019 6.4 regular cab dually with 4:10 and airbags. It tows well enough, just likes to rev high and brakes work hard. It a give and take compared to Cummins but I think it’s the better choice and 12 k cheaper.
The diesel will definitely tow and stop better, but money is hard to get these days. 12k is a lot of money.
Beautiful truck sir! Sorry I didn't catch the payload
It's right under 3500
@@bandbworkxI have a megacab at around 3,200lbs
The only thing keeping me from towing with a gasser is the exhaust brake on the new cummins is awesome.
The exhaust brake on the diesel truck definitely help them stop better. I leave way more room to stop with this truck than I did my with diesel truck.
2015 6.7 Cummins owner here. It pulls great but the maintenance and fuel costs have been crazy. I'd go gas if I could do it over. Replacing injectors cost me $4500, DEF costs, higher fuel costs, fuel filter change costs, and God forbid the emissions systems fouls up. Not even close to being worth it even if the sticker price was the same (which it isn't). If you roll the dice and PAY to delete it, it just puts you further in the hole because the fuel mileage gains aren't enough to pay for itself in a million miles. I tow a lot and I don't see the benefit to diesel. Go gas...not even close. At one time diesel made sense but those days are gone; it's simply a status thing at this point.
The new gas trucks do pretty ok towing. Emission stuff is a disaster for the the diesel engine.
I'm extremely confused. Even buying mopar filters, my cummins oil changes are
What year was your truck? Ours was a 2020, there is two fuel filter and they were over $100 a piece. However, this was five years ago and I would imagine it is much cheaper now. It also was most likely my fault for not finding the best deals on parts.
I have a 2010 Chevy Duramax as well, I can do that oil change including the external trans filter for about $100.
Just bought my 2500 hemi, I can’t seem to get better an 10 mpg.. I’m not sure if the tires & lift have anything to do with it but it doesn’t seem correct..
What year, lift, and tires?
Purchase price is cheaper, cheaper to work on, gas is cheaper, and finally the damn emission system on any diesel is shit and ruins the motor.
Valid points
@BandBWorkx Thank you and I should know. I own my semi and what a pain in the arse, can't work on them without a computer, farmers have same issue unless you buy the yearly $8k software, totally not happening.
The last 2500 I could find with the 20 percent discount in the 2022 year model has this Delmonico Red color.. Really wanted white or gray but maybe I can get used to this.
I wanted blue, but the red has grown on me.
Honest question in yiur opinion, would you spend $20k on an older pre-emissions diesel or $20k for an early 6.4 Hemi to pull 11k pound 5th wheel camper maybe 5-7 times a year? Some of the towing would be in thr mountains of Colorado. I did also find a 2006 Duramax for $10k. I have owned a 5.7 Hemi for 10 years now and do all of the services myself.
I just bought an older diesel. Towing in mountains would definitely be easier with a diesel truck.
Gorgeous color.
I think so too!
$500 for a fluid change is total highway robbery!! I change my own for $120 including filters😂
What about braking with a gasser on steep grades out west vs diesels with exhaust brakes ? ? Towing around 10,000-12k ? ? Any suggestions or experiences. Can you upgrade brakes or braking systems on a gasser to be safer ? ? Thx 👍⚾️
Braking with diesel trucks is definitely better, like a bunch. However if you don't drive like a crazy person you can do it safely with a gas truck. You will just need to involve a little awareness and go a bit slower to control the weight. A company called Powerstop makes brake upgrades, they replace the pad and rotor.
I ordered a 3500 4x4 megacab bighorn 6.4hemi in 2019, and the options I wanted totaled 48k.
Go and try and order that truck today, let us know how much more it cost.
@BandBWorkx 🤑
Noway. A used 2020 F350 Lariat Crew cab Alumaduty last month was tagged at 73k with 120 thousand miles. I'm good with the trucks I have for quite a while. 😁
Exactly, the same truck I have now is over 60,000. Crazy expensive.
I don't know where you get those diesel oil and filter numbers from. I service my Duramax myself and have never spent 100.00 bucks yet. I do oil, fuel, and when it's due transmission. Crazy numbers you came up with
Crazy
Great deal on the wheels, I am wanting the same truck in blue or white with the same leathette seats, I do a lot of salt water fishing and buying a bigger trailer 29 ft. What dealership did you use?
Jim brown in Dade City, Fl
Very nice truck!
Thanks 👍
Not sure if you mentioned what gear ratio your truck has?
3.73
does it have cylinder shut off
It does
Nice truck...
Thanks 👍
Not a 5th wheel toy hauler
The gas truck has a lot more payload to.
It does, the diesel engine is pretty heavy.
You can buy 3 gallons of t6 and an oil filter for around $100. And it’s nearly double the interval of the hemi…so there’s your fuel filters which are like $60. Just saying…
I was never able to find the cheap fuel filters, maybe I just didn't look hard enough.
@@bandbworkx yeah eBay has a good prices. And Geno’s sells kits decently priced. Gas is less to worry about…I have both and theres ways to make the emissions reliable if you know what I mean. The diesel is more up front, but you’ll always get that up front cost back.
Never understood the diesel crowd. You all b*tch about costs...but keep everything stock (DEF DPF EGR ETC) so as to continue incurring said costs??? And your answer to that is you dont want to void the warranty...but then go on and on about how much more reliable your diesel is???
I will say, if they tow every day they shouldn't have problems. But most people don't, so their exhaust temps are low, which will ruin their truck. Dan runs nothing but diesel trucks. But they tow every day, so no problems. But I don't, so gas for me.
Only reason to purchase a ram would be for Cummins engine
Why is that? The Cummins is great engine, I do agree with that.
Purdy truck.
Thanks
I'm pulling a toy hauler with mine
I need to find one with a 13' garage
@@bandbworkx mine is a 2021 Grand design momentum 29g we love it with a GVWR 12000lb mine with my toy in it only at 10100lb
That's not bad at all
@@bandbworkx thanks
If he’s driving a dodge, he loses all accountability. Dodge is trash.
Why?
Gas is always 1.00 per gallon less
I want one with 4.10 axle
U got a great price on that truck
Thanks
How do u like the 6.4
It's pretty good, obviously doesn't tow as good as a diesel. It still gets the job done though.
I'm heading to the dealer today to look at a low mile (16k) 2022 Power Wagon to tow a 23' 4,400lb off-grid trailer to remote locations. I wanted a truck with locking diffs, winch, and gas motor. Gas, because the savings on oil changes, fuel costs, DEF costs, and DPF replacement costs long term would offset the poorer gas mileage of the gas engine.
I really like power wagons
I’m in the market for a truck to eventually pull my 35 foot camper. I wanted a diesel cummins 6.7L but I travel for a living but I’m not always towing. I will pull my camper to a camp ground and stay at the camp ground for 4 months and that will continue. So I think a 2500 gas is best for me. Agree?
That's what works for me, if your only towing every 4 months or so it could work for you as well. If you're not towing every day the gas should be fine.