Univ. of Idaho student murders: Follow the Money Given To The College, Where Did It Go? - TIR
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- Join Chris and Karen as they follow the money in Part 1 following the University of Idaho student murders. What happened to the $1 million in emergency money the school received? We also discuss the trial delay, the gag order and more.
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Absolutely despicable that the University president has written a BOOK in the middle of this nightmare…but the victims’ families are under gag order…just WOW.
The real question to ask is why does the university want to get rid of the house?
This is outrageous that the Chancellor wrote a book about this! Total lack of respect for these four victims and their families!!
This whole case is so bizarre. Gag order, crime scene demolition, burying the house (so strange), property gifted to school, 911 call not released, book published by president of university…etc., etc., etc.
The only "emergency" for the university was that students were leaving in droves and probably would not return. The university was and is trying to save itself as an institution.
That house should have never been torn down and the jurors should have been able to go there and walk through it just like murdoch case
Thank you for this informative deep dive. I live in Idaho and plan to email Rep. Joe Alfieri, Rep. Sage Dixon and Governor Little asking for transparency regarding these questionable Security Incident Expenditures. I’ll be using your research to draft my email! Excellent work!
Hi, I live in N Idaho. I’d be happy to write as well to our elected officials. Great idea! This whole case continues to get more tragic. Thanks for this deep dive Karen and Chris!
I hope the families are talking to their lawyers about a civil suit, I think they deserve all proceeds from that book, I would be furious.
Absolutely how does he sleep at night?
The fact that this book is out BEFORE there’s even been a trial!!!
I am a very visual person, that being said, no diagram on a piece of paper would ever allow me to picture the inside of that house! It would definitely cloud my opinion.🤷🏻♀️
Well said!
I agree! ☝️ the layout confused me! This jury is going to have a tough time
I totally agree with you. This house had a unique floor plan. It's so hard to fully grasp the layout. I can look at all the pictures diagrams blueprints etc, and still not fully grasp it. Hopefully the 3d diorama and the scans will help the jury. But nothing will replace the actual structure
Wow Karen brought the receipts 👏 great show
That house was not an open floor plan. Sounded like a weird floor plan, therefore, it would have been beneficial to a jury to see for themselves and garner a better understanding of where the two bedrooms were located imo
This should be audited by the Idaho State Auditor's office.
Green needs to be exposed! This is ridiculous! What a scammer. More than the podcast world needs to see this. Expose this guy publicly!
Love watching proper investigative, deep dive podcasts, that make u want to listen. When the people are knowledgeable, know about what they are talking about, very informative and educational. Thanks TIR
Much appreciated
Every parent should pull there kids out of that Idaho College !
My hubby is self employed, has an LLC. Meaning if he is to ever be sued, they can only take his business, not his home or personal assets.
Llc does not protect from negligence. If the only benefit in your eyes is to not be sued, you'd be better investing the corporate fees into insurance.
This sounds bizarre that this house was taken down and demolished prior to the trial!
The prior reporting of drug activity and drug sales from this address was dropped; although
frequently reported on in the beginning; WHY was the 911 call so late coming in that morning;
Too many strange circumstances with this case!
Agree -
Destroying the crime scene before *factual* facts ..answers or a conviction 🚩.. absolutely follow the $$$
Yes exactly so
Hoping the families sue the crap out of them
The reason that cases like this get so many peoples' attention is because , even though you might not be able to put your finger on it right away, you just get this feeling that something ain't right.
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Thank you Chris n Wifey..this answers all my subsections. I said from the beginning something is fishy because no case has ever been handled like this one. Everyone walking around in the house,the house beinging cleaned out asap and the house beinging knocked down n the land cleaned off as if no house was ever there. Something is being covered up for someone 🤔
"Fishy" is 100% the right word for the handling of this case!!!😢
And don't forget that the president of the college was allowed to sit in on all the meetings. They had made the decision to tear the house up way earlier than anyone knew. You can see the very one's that tore it down in a video looking and talking about how they were going to do it.
@@normafralin2237 idk that thanks for that info
Im actually shocked they were even allowed to transfer the house. Or do anything with the house. Whilst it was still an active crime scene etc
It was Transferred December 9 2022. Interesting 🤔
So right! Even in a divorce assets are frozen. Bizarre
Great livestream Chris, wonderful work by Karen! It is a shame we no longer have "journalism" as in media reporting on the news. We only get propaganda from the lamestream media outlets! But Karen? She truly knocked it out of the park! Now that's how it's done! 🙋💕
Good show. I do have to disagree with the displeasure over how long it’s taking to get to trial. If the State wanted this to go more quickly they should have taken the death penalty off the table. In a death penalty trial, it should be expected that it will take years to go to trial. This is the most serious punishment our society can impose, the defendant has a right to have the very best defense possible.
You’ve made a very good point. Thank you.
The state isn’t ready. How can they be ready when they can’t even hand over much anticipated and awaited discovery documents they keep saying they don’t have
@@ThriveCollective1188 Ugh, that’s a really bad sign. Same thing happening in Delphi except the defendant IS asserting his speedy trial rights.
I truly admire Chris and Karen. They make a great partnership. 👍
Great job Chris and Karen! I too, always thought it was strange that the house was gifted to University so quickly and to find out the University president’s family owned the house way back when. He should have disclosed that detail. Something definitely doesn’t smell right for sure. I pray that the families get justice.
Justice is about ALL parties involved, not just the victims' families.
Ps. If there is a gag order, why does the president of the university get to write a book and talk about the whole situation when we haven't even gone to trial? He shoved himself into this case from the start. REMEMBER this was an OFF CAMPUS HOUSE. BUT HE WAS ALWAYS THERE! Why does he get to break that gag order and write a freaking book?
God help anyone that finds themselves being sniffed by an investigative reporter with a suspicion… This woman is a rottweiler with a bone. Incredible work.
The next investigation should be about who is related to the university and the town government, how are the local churches related to the local government and the university, and how are all of the LLC and donors to the university related.
Look at the
“counselling and crisis support “ $3850.00
Compared to $700,000.00
For police and security?!!
Sickening really
Prevention is better than allowing the trauma to happen in the first place. But it is too big a gap, yes.
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One question I have is: did any of the parents of the students who did not return after the holiday break get a return of any of their monies paid for housing and meals. The university got “paid” from the state for those same rooms and for meals that were already paid for. Or were they told there would be no refunds, because the students made the decision on their own to not return.
This is ALL maddening when one really thinks about all this info Karen has uncovered. Good job Karen
Good question
Wow. More people need to know about this.
Please Share!
There’s always someone who has to capitalise on someone else’s misery! They should be ashamed of themselves and go public with it all.
Do you think the University was telling the police how to investigate this case ? They seemed to have greedy hands in everything else as well. Just wondering how deep the rot actually goes.
Someone pointed out the smallest amount was counseling that just makes me sick! That man is a pos
If I was on the jury the first thing I would want to do is visit the house and crime scene to see everything to make my decision. It doesn’t make sense and I’ve never known a case with so many questions and no answers. Keep up the good work. I trust your channel 100% from the UK.
unfortunately its now destroyed and buried in a secret place never heard of that in my 80 years of life
Voir dire resolves that … you wouldn’t be selected.
Karen all reporters should be more like you! You and your husband do God's work shining light on the facts. ❤ Thank you, and I hope everyone in Idaho shares this.
I wonder how much went into Scott Greens pockets for Consulting fees?
Excellent show. Awesome reporting. Some shady things going on over there in Idaho.
Wayyy shady
Brilliant research and very troubling findings.
Why was Scott green At the daily briefings that Moscow police had in the mornings.
What business did he have as president of the university to be there except to maybe intimidate the cops I don't know
Thank you so much for this information. We appreciate all your hard work! Would love to talk with you. -Kristi Goncalves (Kaylee's Mom)
wishing yall get justice! 🩶🙏🏾
Praying the truth is revealed and justice is done! ❤️💔❤️
Kaylee, Maddison, Xana and Ethan will not be forgotten. They will be close to my heart forever and frequently in my thoughts ❤ I’m sure many others here feel the same
Nobody would have rented that house after the crime. The owner would have had to demo the house, and rebuild it. So to donate it to the school it became a tax write off. They probably also wanted it off their books before the end of the year in 2022.
Incredible work. This case is absolutely insane in how much corruption is happening in various facets of government.
I agree the gag order was supposed to ensure a fair trial. If theres a change of venue, then the gag order should be lifted. If the gag order isn't lifted then there shouldn't be a change of venue. One or the other.
Fair trial.. while all major networks like dateline , max.. etc have already broadcasted speculation.. is absolutely insane .
So if "everyone playing the game" are alumni of U of I, isn't that enough reason to change venue?....
We must pray for Justice in this case!
Great job Karen. Thank heavens for investigative reporting to hold people accountable.
You both know very well that AT doesn’t mean she intends to call 400 witnesses to court. She has to interview 400 people connected to this case, most of which were people already interviewed by the prosecution and most of them have already made it known they don’t want to talk to her. If everyone is fed up waiting for the trial to start than tell this soft a** judge to hold the prosecutions feet to the fire and get her the discovery she keeps asking for over and over and over again.
If she interviews them then they are on the witness list and subject to being called.
If they didn't want to be on a witness list then they shouldn't have called the tip line in the first place
If you are President of a University and your budget is almost in the negative? You cut your $419,000 salary down, along with other Administrators. Mr Green is getting a 5% raise for this coming year, boosting him to $441,000 per year. 🙄🤬
***Dont forget**
The UofI also was donated $800,000 in donations as well Separate from this!!!!!!
The way I understood AT she was saying there were over 400 witnesses that needed to be questioned. Not that needed to testify.
If they are being questioned then they could testify.
Thank you Chris & Karen! 💙
I think the college employees was involved as well as the police dept. Needed to cover up any other evidence by tearing down the house.
It seems like the university own that town, they are the law. The security incident costing smacks of corruption.
💜💜💜💜 Praying for the families I love Chris admiration towards Karen. Thank you TIR family for being a voice for the innocents .
Thank you Chris and Karen‼️ Justice for the victims and their families‼️
I observed the Judge struggle with putting the trial on the calendar as soon as possible when faced with the defense's claims of the need for time to fully prepare. The Judge's behavior resonated with being politically correct. The law does not provide the defendant with the time to craft the perfect defense. Our system is moving away from the value of bringing witness testimony while its fresh (and the witnesses are still alive) and the victims opportunity for justice. BK is not entitled to 400 witnesses - that is absurd.
An LLC is a Limited Liability Company is a business structure used for tax strategization and insulation from individual liability.
The University is the profit center and we are seeing small town incestuous corruption between government and the University, secondary beneficiaries of the gag order.
This whole case is so baffling. There's so much contradiction. The cost for security at the university...I thought soon after the murders. The officer declared that it was an isolated attack, he believed no one was in danger? The longer this case goes on the more dodgy it all seems. Very interested to see what else yous come up with!!!
@the interview room I felt when they took the house down it was like they were erasing the students. It wasn’t right 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
It definitely shows where their priorities are. Justice for Ethan, Xana, Maddie and Kaylee ❤
I don’t understand why the counseling & crisis support was $3,850.00 vs. all the higher amounts??? This is beyond ridiculous & sus… if I were an Idaho taxpayer I’d be raising hell!
It's such a pleasure to listen to you two. The subject matter is not a pleasure but you are so mindful of the victims and their families.
Your outro song is beautiful.
I put in on my road trip playlist
The two witnesses don’t want to talk. There is more to the story than what you are being told.
IMPORTANT - Find out if any of the Univ President's relatives are part of the LLC who owned the house, since his family once owned it. It may have stayed with a member of the family. That would be even more suspicious. I have been part of LLCs, renting properties in Texas for many years,
I would hope the students were reimbursed for not using the dorm rooms therefore the University would not be double dipping. Receipts would shed light on all expenditures but that will never happen. Can the tax records be investigated? The accountant has explaining to do. Your intuition is accurate and many valid, thought provoking questions throughout this video. Thank you Mr Chris and Mrs Karen for your dedication!
Someone doesn’t want to be held liable for the deaths that occurred in this house. So they unloaded it onto the school as a gift. Knowing the school was going to destroy it.
I am blown away that they listed a quarter million dollars to ISP for meals and lodging, and considered them volunteers....WHAT??? Theyre cops that already get paid to do their jobs, and they pay for their own meals and lodging. And if you wanted them on campus during this time, then ask the governor for their assistance. I dont even get any of this, it's criminal imo! And BK was arrested on Dec 30th, so a quarter million for 6 weeks??? Someone make this make sense becuz it doesnt, and I can't believe the legislature even ok'd this. Bottom line, Scott Green pulled a fast one over on the state of Idaho and it's despicable! Not to mention, you only spent a total of $11,000 on the students for food and lodging,q psychological and counseling services? Sounds like you had way more le than students huh? Really, where are his priorities?
Chris McDonough, sure do appreciate your experience in homicide investigations and contributions to Nancy Grace. Your wife’s knowledge also! She’s a great contributor!
This is looking like the very definition of a Pandora’s box. I fear all these shifty players won’t be held accountable but one can hope. To the families, my heart aches for you. Just suffering layered upon suffering at the hands of greed/power/self-obsessed ’people’. Makes me sick.
Definitely need to get copies of the invoices for all the line items under FOIA
I'd be interested to know where the security staffing stayed and who owned that motel, rental or property? The president of the University has given reason to suspect he is giving favor to businesses he selects. Oh dorm rooms? Something smells here.
Excellent investigation. Justice for Ethan & Zana, Maddie & Kaylee.
This case is a 3 ring circus
What if, just what if - the killer(s) are not yet in custody. What if - the frat is connected - you seem to be sure that they have their man and you are concerned that mistakes may let him off. The U of I is not a victim - seems like it profits - no such thing as bad publicity.
Couldn't agree more. There seems a big blank-like redacted something about inside, imo.
Well said
According to a special ops guy, one guy murdering 4 people in 8 minutes with that type of knife, only happens in the movies.
The real facts are being ignored.
Its 4 people we're talking about who deserve real justice and people have shows but don't
Present all the information. This investigation is far from over. And exactly where does Taylor lane apartments fit in or people watching their phones with pictures that look the same, and watching their phones at the GT and calling Xana name. Pics on Bandfield. The list is long, and the truth needs to come out.
I sometimes think the same. I do believe there could have been someone else with Brian that has not been discovered yet.
This was amazing Karen! You and Chris are a fantastic team! Thank you for all the great investigations! 🌻🌻🌻❤️
Academic institutions as instruments of coercion and control ... welcome to America
I respectfully disagree about defense delaying proceedings. The prosecution is not providing discovery so how can defense represent him adequately. If prosecution would highlight the evidence that proves it's BK would certainly help speed things up. Last even BT stated in last hearing he isn't ready for summer 24 either.
You’re right but at the same time, why does Anne Taylor have to go back into kohbergers family history 5 generations as she said? That makes zero sense..
@@lilorangyshe's legally obligated to.
@@lilorangy exactly what Ted said. I was a little surprised by that as well. It's part of the penalty phase. She has to prepare for it whether or not it ends up being necessary.
@@lilorangyIn all Death penalty cases They have to go back 3 Generations
@@joann5075but not before trial. The mitigation specialist does that work, not the attorneys and that work can be done during trial.
Why weren’t the BIG company journalists probing this at the time? Thank for your professional investigation.
Corruption much even after such a devastating,, horrific event which resulted in 4 beautiful young souls being slaughtered.
So very sad and heartbreaking.
Good job Karen and Chris. Keep digging.....It is unbelievable and my heart continues to break for the family of the victims!
I've always known any prisoner, in any state, is entitled to wear court clothing if they have someone bring it to them. When I was in jail in FL I sewed my own dress in jailhouse sewing room to wear to court. My family was 2000 miles away.
Wow. What a testimony to determination! Good for you. Hope the world is seeing you use such a gift in a positive way! Good luck in life❤
I can understand the police meals but why does Uni include the lodging in their own vacant dorms as an ecpense?
The dorm rooms were sitting empty. No cost to university. But were the students who decided not to return still paying for those rooms? Double dipping? The costs for consultants is not unreasonable. (I used to be one, so slight bias.) cost for counseling seems ridiculously low, but maybe the students were gone? The costs for the “free” house is also ridiculous.
Probably. Try to get a refund from ANY university for anything!
You guys are simply precious ❤❤❤❤❤
Line Items 4 & 5 for consultants - wait a minute - President Green just authored an entire book documenting his "expertise" in management and oversight, but they're spending $325,000 on outside 'consultants'? Who were the consultants, what were their credentials, what specific services did they provide, what insight did they contribute that someone on the U of I's administrative staff or faculty could not have given?
Consultants paid in the hundreds of thousands is always suspect in my book.
WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD EVER WANT TO LIVE IN CORRUPT IDAHO?????????????????????
Most places in the USA have some type of corruption. Look at New York
If they free him because of the razing of the house they the families better sue the university😊
I don't think the people involved had any idea how much attention was going to be put on this case and they were pretty lax in the beginning and they've had to try to cover up some blunders. Why didn't they cordon off the area as immediately and why were people able to mill around. That how should be full of other people's DNA from across the street also. What about the other onidentified male dna...
if anything, i think the igg would be a more pertinent angle that he could get off on, because if that is ruled inadmissible, it would ultimately have an effect of him being a suspect, because without that, he wouldn’t have been a prime suspect.
@@happyhoundz they def had no idea .. they ruined a crime scene and ran with whatever they could to cover tracks . What a shame
200k to review a security plan? They’re joking right?😂😮
Chris- consider Alcatraz. Alcatraz prisoners were fed good, home cooked meals, and were reported to be "lethargic" as a result. Doesn't that make sense? Feed prisoners a dry baloney sandwich and expect riots. Vegan meals are likely the cheapest meals being served in incarceration - not the luxury meal your tone insinuates. If we have a mind about the well-being of our correction officers, we will spend more to keep prisoners sated with calories. However, some others have a narrow focus on profit. Alcatraz is reported to have closed because it was expensive. Maybe it should cost more to get something done right.
Thanks for that insight... Good meals keeps everyone safer. Same with one person in a cell, not more than one.
In the case of Jeffrey R. MacDonald the crime scene (house) was preserved for almost a decade.
The crime scene for The Rhodes family of victims in Ohio massacre was so important to preserve , the state actually moved all the houses of the victims into an indoor protection unit, for years!! WTH are they doing in Idaho??!! Thank you for all the hard work the two of you put in😘
Uvalde schoo, the entire school, in a neighbirhood, was left standing for 4 years, with blood on the walls and floors inside, until they were finished investigating the responding officers in the case for God's sake! Just unbelievable!
I apologize for the typo should read, Rhoden family. My spell correct keeps changing it.
I Love when Karen is on💕
From Australia 🇦🇺 Day 1: the crime was a Targeted attack. No ongoing danger to the public… U of I : we need 1million dollars for increased security due to a security incident off campus in a private rental
Side note: if U of I was in control of or offered up the security to watch over a crime scene and remove and direct things from within that house to victims family as they say… isn’t that a massive breach for the crime scene and couldn’t that provide an access point for the property by the University leadership who bizarrely became the beneficiary of the house from the then owner for zero dollars 🚩🚩🚩
Crisis Management Consultants - $30,000. Why am I not surprised? This is why they needed a change of venue.
As a former title searcher of real property, bravo for your work in bringing into this for the justice of those lost in this tragedy.
I still can't believe they let that house be wiped away.
Defense even put in a request to the courts to keep it! Stating there could be dna evidence or other evidence that could exonerate her client! They did it anyway. To me that is infringement on his rights to a fair trial. It's clear they didn't take nearly enough evidence from that house. It's not like taking the house away, takes away the crime scene!
Why are they guarding it still???
@richellefiscus9309 they sure made sure it was cleaned fast enough aswell .. and moved stuff into a U haul.. like they was moving . This case is Nuts .
Very informative. Great show as always ❤
Thanks so much!
.."Honey" is one savy investigative journalist!! You Go Girl. 😊
As an Idaho resident of 30+ years, the shady behavior of MPD and U of I is reprehensible. Karen, thanks to your deep dive, the corruption can’t be discounted. It’s clear why the MPD took over four days to hold a press conference after the murders. 😕
FBI was running the show they don't care about any funny goings on in Moscow
Not so funny
@@Jack-russell103MPD was the lead investigating agency, hence the shoddy investigation and alleged corruption. The FBI was just one of several agencies that the MPD asked to assist with collecting evidence and forensics analysis. Very few agents were on the ground because the FBI labs are in Quantico, VA.