You guys are awesome. I think these videos will save relationships and build bonds between couples. Thanks for sticking your necks out there and being honest with the all of us.
excellent points stu and Kerri. Very true that within the mindset of mormonism many of their made up stumbling blocks, will destroy you, your family, and your relationships, whereas for normal people it is incomprehensible that these so called "transgressions" are even an issue. From drinking coffee, to choosing; to wear your own underwear, or a different religion/not, these things are huge issues for the believer who then project the fear,guilt, and dissapointment onto the "dissident"
@KerriBodie The scriptures remind us multiple times and warn that even members will be fooled, not strong enough spiritually, even the wise because their hearts will fail them etc. The story of the ten virgins where 5 that were unprepared and not ready were never represented as the world, but as the members of the Church. Having few people leave the Church doesn't shake my testimony. Even if only half the membership of 14 million were active it still fulfills Biblical prophecy.
I read some of the comments.....funny the ones who protest the most are what pure and never touched themselves....funny...we as humans will have desires and if you touch yourself you go to hell....I am glad you two were able to talk this out and are still in love....good for you.....being honest is hard for the ones who think they do no wrong.....this is the sad part....thank you for coming out and talking about this...
@slyer72 Thank you for commenting! I think this topic deserves much discussion. Based on your reasoning, the wife looking at pornography would mean that the husband isn't good enough too right? Even if they both enjoy watching it? Together? Even if both of them feel like their sex lives have improved because of this change?
@814mandapanda Anything can be an addiction depending on your brains reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. The topic of "porn" is often brought up as a "dirty" topic and therefore it is easy to avoid open dialogue about this subject. Luckily we live in a society that is continually being educated and access to information will continue to increase. I look forward to new research into this area that will help us both reconcile our differing beliefs and facts.
@MrTayseh Yes, seriously. Also, just because you smoke doesn't mean you are a bad person. Just because you drink doesn't make you a bad person. Just because you wear revealing clothes doesn't make you a bad person. True story :)
I personally know these people and it's amazing how two-faced they can become. They are NOTHING like they are trying to portary themselves to be, trust me.
I applaud their efforts, I see them as explorers of freedom now that they have removed the psychological walls that imprisoned them. Sounds like they have a lot of fun too.
Great video, I'm in the same boat as the guy in the video. So much better now that I left the church and all religion for that matter, don't need MEN controlling my life and telling me what I can and cannot do or what I should and should not do. It's my life, it's the only one I get so I'm living it for me.
The idea in the church is to aim for perfection, for some reason we forget that we are imperfect and expect the impossible form ourselves in our mortal forms of imperfection. It is a strange thing that while we express hope for salvation we can`t seem to allow ourselves to be happy with our imperfections in our state and can`t comprehend that perfection is impossible. Yet it is expected that we be ``better`` and appear perfect because of fear of shunning and rejection as being impure. Strange...
I think pornography addiction is just as damaging to non-mormon relationships as mormon ones. My wife is not a Mormon, I am not Mormon. She would be really hurt by me looking at pornography, which is the only reason I do not. I don't think that drug addiction only hurts Mormon Marriages, either. I would like to see a study comparing the effects of pornography on relationships of different kinds.
I think the lds church stand on sexuality has ruined many women. Some lds parents make sex an unforgiveable taboo that mentally damages the girls. This taboo follows right into the marriage. It leads to a lifetime of sexual disfunction and frustration.
I think what you went thru is common among a lot of different religions. I knew a young couple, where he was trying not to masterbate because of their religion and it was tearing him apart. So I don't know how he's doing because they moved away.
@IAMILLEGAL2 I meant to say "Thomas Monson and the members are not worthy". Obey the church so you can be happy? Will happiness in this life save you? Can your priesthood or family save you? Will works and money save you? Read the New Testament as a child. You will find that Jesus is the infinite creator. You will find a gospel that is contrary to Mormon doctrine.
I think a lot of couples have these problems religious or not. Ironically I think this couples experince with the church and subsequent 'deconstruction' have made them more open and liberated than many others.
. And even unto the great and last day ,when all people ,and all kindreds,and all nations and tongues shall stand before God ,to be judged of their works ,whether they be good or whether they be evil If they be good , to the resurrection of everlasting life ,& if they be evil ,to the resurrection of damnation ;being on a parallel , the one on the one hand &the other on the other hand according to the mercy and the justice &the holiness which is in Christ ,who was before the world began.
@GiftoAll harsh and forcing. God wants us to obey so He can bless us and be happy. The Church invites us to follow Christ and live worthy so we can be prepared to meet Him. What is so hard to understand about that? If parents teach their children the wrong way and do things not accordingly God will judge them and things right again. Parents aren't perfect and try their best with what light and experience they have. Thomas S. Monson and Joseph Smith are in the same boat as everyone else.
@GiftoAll Obedience and grace save me. Nothing else. Without grace obedience means nothing and obedience itself can't save you because it doesn't matter how many times you read the Bible or pay your tithing (for example), we all fall short in the end and need the saving power of grace. Jesus is everything. Jesus is the only way. I've read the Bible several times and I've experienced and seen everything from atheism, to non-denominational Christians, all the way to Islam and Buddhism.
@dredsdomain Just listen to that bon jovi song, "it's my life". Rock out to it every time you feel someone is harassing you or trying to tell you how to live. It'll help solidify that feeling of freedom, assertiveness and confidence within yourself again. In the mean time, take what others say and mean with a grain of salt, because what someone else says, really doesn't have to affect you and it really shouldn't. People will have their own biased opinions, doesn't have to be a part of your life.
Look at the Catholic church in regards to sexual repression. As a man, if you reach a certain level of hierarchy, you cannot have sex anymore? How sick. Because this is SUCH a sick way of living, unhealthy behaviors come out as a result.
Oh, by the way, my ex wife divorced me over this very issue. She treated me like garbage, no worse than garbage, she destroyed me on so many levels, and ruined my reputation, and kept my kids from me and made it so they have very little to do with me, now 15 years later...and over what? A few minutes of pleasure. FUCK! I wonder if karma is real. I hope so. I really do.
EVEN IF YOUR HUSBAND was unable to work, you would still love, honor and support him. Right? What IS the vow Mormons pledge to each other when they wed? So many Mormons I know only love their mate when the mate is bringing in the big bucks, looking super-fine and living as human "doings" instead of human BEINGS.
@mormonanswerman explain exactly how looking at two people having sex is equivalent to commiting adultery in your heart. This is the premise for your comment above. The premise for your comment is false making your remaining argument moot.
@KerriBodie The Church has never caused or promoted *self-promoting*. Sin never was happiness and the influence of Satan is real. Depression and all those stressed emotions are consequences from sin itself. God always has His opens wide open to us, even to the worst sinner, and invites us to come unto Christ and receive peace and to make light our yoke.
@rustysbikerepair I agree! Forget any religious organization or even the Bible on that note; no one in the right and stable mind , even society itself would allow and accept such a thing. Even on a scientific approach, studies show the addiction and complications pornography brings. I just feel even worse for the brain washing these two have succomb to.
actually, my mormon lds social services therapist said that even in the church in the 70's and 80's therapists recommended couples to view porn together to help their sex lives...just saying
@GiftoAll Your statement is contradictory, Sister. So which is it? The Church or the parents? It's imperfect and sometime stupid parents who are human too who make error and bad judgment not the Churchs. The Church speaks of love, mercy, and forgiveness. Sexual sins can be and are forgiven.
These guys have obviously had issues that were not ONLY religion-based, but you have to admit that their religion was very unhealthy for their marriage and sense of self-worth. They started a new life - I think that in order to start with a clean slate, they connected all their troubles to the church they threw away. It may have not ALL been about the church, but honestly, most of it was. And even if LDS became a bit of a scapegoat for them, most of it was deserved.
There's nothing wrong with porn or sex--as long as there's nothing wrong with it: e.g., have responsible and healthy sex, and don't think porn is your answer to everything. Sex (doing it or watching others do it) is perfectly normal and natural. Once you get that idea, THEN you can make it a healthy part of your character and life experience, and use it to enrich your life.
A married couple that watches porn and heightening their libido with each other is one thing... actually it's kind of awesome. There's nothing in the Bible that says you can't have crazy sex with your husband or wife. But that single guy or that girl (they do it too) that making watching porn a habit... not so great. Not very healthy. I know a few of those porn turtles and they make me sad.
I am sorry that you left the church for very little in return. This new "Type" of Christianity is really sad to see unfolding - where everyone is rewriting what has been taught for hundreds of years in the scriptures to whatever fits their lifestyle. Whatever happened to people having enough strength to keep the commandments of God?
@nephibs The problem is that you don't understand that what Jesus taught encompasses everything that came before. It's not that the Law is unimportant, but that it was fulfilled and what Jesus taught us, love your neighbor as you love yourself and love the Lord thy God with all your heart, supercede the letter of the Law. Remember the joke about the Pharisees having black eyes before you worry about following each and every little detail.
@IAMILLEGAL2 The church demands obedience of the members. The members force compliance of church law on the children. The church is the top of the hill and everything rolls down hill from it. The truth of the matter is the lds church is not worthy to God. Thomas Monson and the members are worthy to God. Only Jesus Christ is eternal and worthy. That is Gods truth.
@iamanexmormon i don't want to get into a discussion, but i will leave you with this. You wondered if it would be ok if they watched it together to "improve their sex lives." I am assuming that you are trying to reason that God or the Bible permits this action. If you want follow the Bible, then the Bible clearly states that there are certain actions we are not to do. There are characteristics in porn that are ungodly, that are of the flesh. Watching porn is is ungodly period.
Exposing kids (who aren't sexually mature) to pornography is sick. How could your brain even come up with that messed up idea. There must be something wrong with you if you don't understand such basic things as sexual maturity.
@GiftoAll What?? That didn't even make logical sense. God gave us agency. We are free to choose between right and wrong. Choosing the wrong brings about many consequences and we are invited to repent of our sins by the grace of Christ Jesus. God loves us. He knows us by name. We must be clean to return to him. God knows that we will never become perfect in this life, so he sent His Savior. Through the blood of the Lamb we become clean again. How hard is that? The word "demand" sounds
@KerriBodie That commandment by the way is Biblical and accepted by all mainstream Christianity. In all respect you clearly don't understand doctrine and principles. Denying the Holy Ghost is openly and knowingly rejecting God. It has nothing to do with not thinking for yourself or being brainwashed. You are willfully using your agency.
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. This isn't book of Mormon, this is New Testament. Porn is evil. Candy coat it however you want, it's still evil. The human body is sacred. It may be "artistic" and not secret, but it's sacred. Porn makes it anything but sacred.
i'm sorry did i hear that right, pornography is beautiful, umm...no. Sex between two individually who love each other for their corresponding characters is beautiful. Pornography is a fake version of love. A Man shouldn't have to watch pornography period. If he is watching pornography, that means his wife isn't good enough, understand?
That's the same as saying "If you think sex is good, then why don't you let your kids have sex with you". You're way off base. Pornography is not evil. Guilt is evil. Don't spread it.
I have girl friends who are not mormons who react to their husbands and BF the same way this couple is describing so I guess it has nothing to do with being a mormon. Good try though.
That's funny, 'cause although I am anti-Mormon, the so-called "sexual repression" has nothing to do with Mormonism. Sounds like someone needs an excuse to do whatever they want, and that sounds sad to me. Sounds like we missed the point - the point is that if we have sinned, we should recognize that it is sin, so that we don't become proud and seek God for salvation - not that we should leave a church because they "make us feel guilty". Just look at the xxx church! :)
I'm sorry, I'm not a mormon, and I don't look at pornography from a religious stand-point. But this is BS.... from a feminist perspective. Pornography is a capitalistic idea and is overly degrading to women!!! Google Gail Dines and listen to her talk on pornography!
@@tattoodfreeek It's science not opinion. There are plenty of people who had no problem with their spouses or themselves viewing porn and it still affected their lives and relationships.
I don't get why there has to be an anti-Mormon themed/based campaign, the church only wants self mastery. If help cant be found in it then why not look to professional help? I have non Mormon friends that are put off by masturbation and pornography too, so its not just our sect. heck I even said that's not worth leaving a really good relationship, but porn in a relationship is toxic, insecurities arise when only the other partner is doing it.
@KerriBodie That commandment by the way is Biblical and accepted by all mainstream Christianity. In all respect you clearly don't understand doctrine and principles. Denying the Holy Ghost is openly and knowingly rejecting God. It has nothing to do with not thinking for yourself or being brainwashed. You are willfully using your agency.
Thanks! :)
What a great couple. I love how open they are with each other. I wish them all the luck
You guys are awesome. I think these videos will save relationships and build bonds between couples. Thanks for sticking your necks out there and being honest with the all of us.
excellent points stu and Kerri. Very true that within the mindset of mormonism many of their made up stumbling blocks, will destroy you, your family, and your relationships, whereas for normal people it is incomprehensible that these so called "transgressions" are even an issue. From drinking coffee, to choosing; to wear your own underwear, or a different religion/not, these things are huge issues for the believer who then project the fear,guilt, and dissapointment onto the "dissident"
Thank you for your videos. They are always so well done.
Great series, thank you! And this couple is simply adorable , love their smiles!
amen
@KerriBodie The scriptures remind us multiple times and warn that even members will be fooled, not strong enough spiritually, even the wise because their hearts will fail them etc. The story of the ten virgins where 5 that were unprepared and not ready were never represented as the world, but as the members of the Church. Having few people leave the Church doesn't shake my testimony. Even if only half the membership of 14 million were active it still fulfills Biblical prophecy.
I read some of the comments.....funny the ones who protest the most are what pure and never touched themselves....funny...we as humans will have desires and if you touch yourself you go to hell....I am glad you two were able to talk this out and are still in love....good for you.....being honest is hard for the ones who think they do no wrong.....this is the sad part....thank you for coming out and talking about this...
@slyer72 Thank you for commenting! I think this topic deserves much discussion. Based on your reasoning, the wife looking at pornography would mean that the husband isn't good enough too right? Even if they both enjoy watching it? Together? Even if both of them feel like their sex lives have improved because of this change?
Thank-you for your kind comments. It was a difficult decision to make this video and be so open...but it has been rewarding. - Stu
@814mandapanda Anything can be an addiction depending on your brains reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. The topic of "porn" is often brought up as a "dirty" topic and therefore it is easy to avoid open dialogue about this subject. Luckily we live in a society that is continually being educated and access to information will continue to increase. I look forward to new research into this area that will help us both reconcile our differing beliefs and facts.
I love this couple! they're honest & real about what they've been through. You guys are very brave!
@MrTayseh Yes, seriously.
Also, just because you smoke doesn't mean you are a bad person. Just because you drink doesn't make you a bad person. Just because you wear revealing clothes doesn't make you a bad person. True story :)
I personally know these people and it's amazing how two-faced they can become.
They are NOTHING like they are trying to portary themselves to be, trust me.
My heroes. Respect.
I applaud their efforts, I see them as explorers of freedom now that they have removed the psychological walls that imprisoned them. Sounds like they have a lot of fun too.
you guys are spreading truth, keep up the good work!
@peaceliberty4all This isn't just an issue in LDS teachings, you are right :)
you guys are adorable, thanks for sharing your story
Matt. 5:28, So does this mean she does not care if he is cheating on her?
these two have a beautiful relationship. I want something like this one day :,)
Great video, I'm in the same boat as the guy in the video. So much better now that I left the church and all religion for that matter, don't need MEN controlling my life and telling me what I can and cannot do or what I should and should not do. It's my life, it's the only one I get so I'm living it for me.
@slyer72 I don't use the Bible as a moral guide.
1:35 that’s a big issue
The idea in the church is to aim for perfection, for some reason we forget that we are imperfect and expect the impossible form ourselves in our mortal forms of imperfection. It is a strange thing that while we express hope for salvation we can`t seem to allow ourselves to be happy with our imperfections in our state and can`t comprehend that perfection is impossible. Yet it is expected that we be ``better`` and appear perfect because of fear of shunning and rejection as being impure. Strange...
This couple have made my day thank you for being so brave and honest. I feel I can look foreward to a good future and that's an amazing feeling.
@IAMILLEGAL2 Are you illegal of? The law, religions, citizenship? Any of these?
I think pornography addiction is just as damaging to non-mormon relationships as mormon ones. My wife is not a Mormon, I am not Mormon. She would be really hurt by me looking at pornography, which is the only reason I do not. I don't think that drug addiction only hurts Mormon Marriages, either. I would like to see a study comparing the effects of pornography on relationships of different kinds.
Joesph Smith came up with the perfect solution to the attraction issue--polygamy!
@BachBeethovenBeatles They were very brave to speak openly and publicly about these things.
I think the lds church stand on sexuality has ruined many women. Some lds parents make sex an unforgiveable taboo that mentally damages the girls. This taboo follows right into the marriage. It leads to a lifetime of sexual disfunction and frustration.
I think what you went thru is common among a lot of different religions. I knew a young couple, where he was trying not to masterbate because of their religion and it was tearing him apart. So I don't know how he's doing because they moved away.
@IAMILLEGAL2 I meant to say "Thomas Monson and the members are not worthy". Obey the church so you can be happy? Will happiness in this life save you? Can your priesthood or family save you? Will works and money save you? Read the New Testament as a child. You will find that Jesus is the infinite creator. You will find a gospel that is contrary to Mormon doctrine.
It's pretty amazing that you managed to make it through!
I think a lot of couples have these problems religious or not. Ironically I think this couples experince with the church and subsequent 'deconstruction' have made them more open and liberated than many others.
@3Deditor AMEN
. And even unto the great and last day ,when all people ,and all kindreds,and all nations and tongues shall stand before God ,to be judged of their works ,whether they be good or whether they be evil
If they be good , to the resurrection of everlasting life ,& if they be evil ,to the resurrection of damnation ;being on a parallel , the one on the one hand &the other on the other hand according to the mercy and the justice &the holiness which is in Christ ,who was before the world began.
glad that you are out of LDS church, but it's still adultery of the heart...
@GiftoAll harsh and forcing. God wants us to obey so He can bless us and be happy. The Church invites us to follow Christ and live worthy so we can be prepared to meet Him. What is so hard to understand about that? If parents teach their children the wrong way and do things not accordingly God will judge them and things right again. Parents aren't perfect and try their best with what light and experience they have. Thomas S. Monson and Joseph Smith are in the same boat as everyone else.
@GiftoAll Obedience and grace save me. Nothing else. Without grace obedience means nothing and obedience itself can't save you because it doesn't matter how many times you read the Bible or pay your tithing (for example), we all fall short in the end and need the saving power of grace. Jesus is everything. Jesus is the only way. I've read the Bible several times and I've experienced and seen everything from atheism, to non-denominational Christians, all the way to Islam and Buddhism.
@dredsdomain Just listen to that bon jovi song, "it's my life". Rock out to it every time you feel someone is harassing you or trying to tell you how to live. It'll help solidify that feeling of freedom, assertiveness and confidence within yourself again. In the mean time, take what others say and mean with a grain of salt, because what someone else says, really doesn't have to affect you and it really shouldn't. People will have their own biased opinions, doesn't have to be a part of your life.
3:47, kind of a beautiful moment
Look at the Catholic church in regards to sexual repression. As a man, if you reach a certain level of hierarchy, you cannot have sex anymore? How sick. Because this is SUCH a sick way of living, unhealthy behaviors come out as a result.
Oh, by the way, my ex wife divorced me over this very issue. She treated me like garbage, no worse than garbage, she destroyed me on so many levels, and ruined my reputation, and kept my kids from me and made it so they have very little to do with me, now 15 years later...and over what? A few minutes of pleasure. FUCK! I wonder if karma is real. I hope so. I really do.
EVEN IF YOUR HUSBAND was unable to work, you would still love, honor and support him. Right? What IS the vow Mormons pledge to each other when they wed? So many Mormons I know only love their mate when the mate is bringing in the big bucks, looking super-fine and living as human "doings" instead of human BEINGS.
@mormonanswerman explain exactly how looking at two people having sex is equivalent to commiting adultery in your heart. This is the premise for your comment above. The premise for your comment is false making your remaining argument moot.
@KerriBodie
The Church has never caused or promoted *self-promoting*. Sin never was happiness and the influence of Satan is real. Depression and all those stressed emotions are consequences from sin itself. God always has His opens wide open to us, even to the worst sinner, and invites us to come unto Christ and receive peace and to make light our yoke.
@rustysbikerepair I agree! Forget any religious organization or even the Bible on that note; no one in the right and stable mind , even society itself would allow and accept such a thing. Even on a scientific approach, studies show the addiction and complications pornography brings. I just feel even worse for the brain washing these two have succomb to.
actually, my mormon lds social services therapist said that even in the church in the 70's and 80's therapists recommended couples to view porn together to help their sex lives...just saying
@GiftoAll Your statement is contradictory, Sister. So which is it? The Church or the parents?
It's imperfect and sometime stupid parents who are human too who make error and bad judgment not the Churchs. The Church speaks of love, mercy, and forgiveness. Sexual sins can be and are forgiven.
These guys have obviously had issues that were not ONLY religion-based, but you have to admit that their religion was very unhealthy for their marriage and sense of self-worth.
They started a new life - I think that in order to start with a clean slate, they connected all their troubles to the church they threw away. It may have not ALL been about the church, but honestly, most of it was. And even if LDS became a bit of a scapegoat for them, most of it was deserved.
There's nothing wrong with porn or sex--as long as there's nothing wrong with it: e.g., have responsible and healthy sex, and don't think porn is your answer to everything. Sex (doing it or watching others do it) is perfectly normal and natural. Once you get that idea, THEN you can make it a healthy part of your character and life experience, and use it to enrich your life.
WoW!!!You are such a very beautiful lady! And you've got a loving husband! You are just an amazing couple!!!
A married couple that watches porn and heightening their libido with each other is one thing... actually it's kind of awesome. There's nothing in the Bible that says you can't have crazy sex with your husband or wife. But that single guy or that girl (they do it too) that making watching porn a habit... not so great. Not very healthy. I know a few of those porn turtles and they make me sad.
I am sorry that you left the church for very little in return. This new "Type" of Christianity is really sad to see unfolding - where everyone is rewriting what has been taught for hundreds of years in the scriptures to whatever fits their lifestyle. Whatever happened to people having enough strength to keep the commandments of God?
For anyone who wants a good chuckle on the issue of porn and masturbation look up "brother micah preaches self mutilation."
@nephibs The problem is that you don't understand that what Jesus taught encompasses everything that came before. It's not that the Law is unimportant, but that it was fulfilled and what Jesus taught us, love your neighbor as you love yourself and love the Lord thy God with all your heart, supercede the letter of the Law.
Remember the joke about the Pharisees having black eyes before you worry about following each and every little detail.
@IAMILLEGAL2 The church demands obedience of the members. The members force compliance of church law on the children. The church is the top of the hill and everything rolls down hill from it. The truth of the matter is the lds church is not worthy to God. Thomas Monson and the members are worthy to God. Only Jesus Christ is eternal and worthy. That is Gods truth.
@chicky21688 "have sex outside of wed lock doesn't mean you're a bad person"? seriously? wooow. why don't you stay single in the first place?
if it isnt just a lds teaching whyd u blame the problem on it an ur problem shouldnt be used as an excuse to leave the church
@iamanexmormon i don't want to get into a discussion, but i will leave you with this. You wondered if it would be ok if they watched it together to "improve their sex lives." I am assuming that you are trying to reason that God or the Bible permits this action. If you want follow the Bible, then the Bible clearly states that there are certain actions we are not to do. There are characteristics in porn that are ungodly, that are of the flesh. Watching porn is is ungodly period.
*Whip crack*
Exposing kids (who aren't sexually mature) to pornography is sick. How could your brain even come up with that messed up idea. There must be something wrong with you if you don't understand such basic things as sexual maturity.
I grew up as a JW. Kind of the same horrors. I am free now. :-)
Goatlike Personality,
This is great. Have you ever read, "Sex and God" by Dr. Darryl Ray? You guys (former JWs) are mentioned in there quite a bit.
@GiftoAll What?? That didn't even make logical sense.
God gave us agency. We are free to choose between right and wrong. Choosing the wrong brings about many consequences and we are invited to repent of our sins by the grace of Christ Jesus. God loves us. He knows us by name. We must be clean to return to him. God knows that we will never become perfect in this life, so he sent His Savior. Through the blood of the Lamb we become clean again. How hard is that? The word "demand" sounds
@KerriBodie That commandment by the way is Biblical and accepted by all mainstream Christianity. In all respect you clearly don't understand doctrine and principles.
Denying the Holy Ghost is openly and knowingly rejecting God. It has nothing to do with not thinking for yourself or being brainwashed. You are willfully using your agency.
Ye have heard that it was said by them of
old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh
on a woman to lust after her hath committed
adultery with her already in his heart.
This isn't book of Mormon, this is New Testament. Porn is evil. Candy coat it however you want, it's still evil. The human body is sacred. It may be "artistic" and not secret, but it's sacred. Porn makes it anything but sacred.
Will,
Grow up. As Dr. Marty Klein has said: "Sexuality doesn't have to be wholesome to be healthy."
i'm sorry did i hear that right, pornography is beautiful, umm...no. Sex between two individually who love each other for their corresponding characters is beautiful. Pornography is a fake version of love. A Man shouldn't have to watch pornography period. If he is watching pornography, that means his wife isn't good enough, understand?
That's the same as saying "If you think sex is good, then why don't you let your kids have sex with you". You're way off base. Pornography is not evil. Guilt is evil. Don't spread it.
I have girl friends who are not mormons who react to their husbands and BF the same way this couple is describing so I guess it has nothing to do with being a mormon. Good try though.
That's funny, 'cause although I am anti-Mormon, the so-called "sexual repression" has nothing to do with Mormonism. Sounds like someone needs an excuse to do whatever they want, and that sounds sad to me. Sounds like we missed the point - the point is that if we have sinned, we should recognize that it is sin, so that we don't become proud and seek God for salvation - not that we should leave a church because they "make us feel guilty". Just look at the xxx church! :)
Pornography is displays low class, no matter what the religion.
I'm sorry, I'm not a mormon, and I don't look at pornography from a religious stand-point. But this is BS.... from a feminist perspective. Pornography is a capitalistic idea and is overly degrading to women!!! Google Gail Dines and listen to her talk on pornography!
Porn harms relationships period. To say otherwise is a lie.
+Dave M No it doesn't, the attitude towards it is what harms relationships. To think the way you do is what does harm
Dave M,
Are you talking from experience?
Danny Nyman always “ad hominem”.
@@tattoodfreeek It's science not opinion. There are plenty of people who had no problem with their spouses or themselves viewing porn and it still affected their lives and relationships.
Exactly:) too much religion is not God or natural:)
The work of satin..just pure evil I tell you!
I don't get why there has to be an anti-Mormon themed/based campaign, the church only wants self mastery. If help cant be found in it then why not look to professional help?
I have non Mormon friends that are put off by masturbation and pornography too, so its not just our sect. heck I even said that's not worth leaving a really good relationship, but porn in a relationship is toxic, insecurities arise when only the other partner is doing it.
@KerriBodie That commandment by the way is Biblical and accepted by all mainstream Christianity. In all respect you clearly don't understand doctrine and principles.
Denying the Holy Ghost is openly and knowingly rejecting God. It has nothing to do with not thinking for yourself or being brainwashed. You are willfully using your agency.