Practicing crab and sideslip crosswind landings in the Cessna 152 in Microsoft Flight Simulator
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2023
- Today I spent some time doing (yet) more circuits at Wycombe Air Park, in order to practice cross-wind landings - using both the "crab", and "sideslip" methods of approach. I'm still not natural enough at the sideslip method to combine both techniques - and not having rudder pedals doesn't help (I'm using a twist stick) - but it will surely come.
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Before anybody mentions it - I meant "left wing" when I said "left aileron" lol - too many things to do at once :)
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You're welcome - not sure about "professional" lol
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You did a good job on both types of landings. You have to remember to bring your flaps up to at least 10 degrees before you takeoff from your touch and go. All of your touch and gos you used 30 degrees of flaps to takeoff. That is why your airspeed was really slow on climb out.
Yes - I kept running out of hands lol - I need to buy some pedals (and to be honest - runway is long enough at Wycombe to lift flaps immediately and take-off with no flaps)
@@jonbeckett Yes, use no flaps or 10 degrees for every type of takeoff in the 152.
On a side note. If you do a short field takeoff with10 flaps, you can retract the flaps once you are clear of the obstacles at the end of the runway and transition to a normal climb out. You should not climb up to pattern altitude with10 flaps.
When I was in the Navy, we were required to learn and demonstrate both crosswind techniques. After that, we were allowed to choose either based on a general feel for the situation. I always preferred slipping, being more comfortable with not having to make that last second correction. It also allowed me to keep the power up, and since we were flying turboprops, keeping the power up was advisable anyway. Excellent demonstration!
Cheers - I was aware I came in high on nearly every approach - so difficult to get it "right". I'm also aware that experienced pilots naturally transition from crabbing straight into sideslip just over the runway :)
@@jonbeckett I really enjoy your videos. There is very little quality on the internet - I have to scour CZcams to find worthwhile content. But your videos are almost as much fun as the sim itself. Keep it up!
@@jonbeckett BTW - like you, I don't (yet) have rudder pedals. And my twist grip on my Saitek X52 burned out a long time ago. So I assigned my rudder to the thumb wheel on my throttle and it works surprisingly well. Something tells me you and I would have a MUCH easier time with pedals!
Going to upgrading my PC soon. Can't wait to start with this game again.
These are always exciting! MSFS2020 handles these techniques extremely well!
It has CFD on the 152. I read up on how they did it (there's a video from Asobo) - they create a grid around the aircraft, and model the vectors throughout the grid - "voxels" - so it natively re-creates p-factor and so on, without it being faked :)
Great presentation. Thanks
You're welcome :)
I end up using this technique alot in MSFS. Since the update I feel they've improved the weather effects and I keep mine on realistic. I find the wind can be a little exaggerated at times within the sim even after the update.
Depends what you're flying :)
Never easy in turbulences to keep it stable but it has one think you should maintain more stable than what it is in this video is speed. In real life you will be at serious risk doing what you did. You was sometimes as slow as 42 knots on approach it's a no no situation. You should never be below 55 knots full flap with C152 and adding an additional 5 knots in turbulences is a good habit cause turbulences can made your speed drop suddenly so you need a margin over the margin.
Your explanation of the technique is perfect that said.
Thank you
You do all this with the stick-twist for the rudder ??? Full respect !! No way I can do that, I tried for ages but found it virtually impossible to not twist the stick when I moved it, before I got pedals autorudder was absolutely necessary.
Yeah - the airbus stick is thankfully pretty accurate. It's the reason you sometimes see me corkscrew around on the runway in crosswind landings - wouldn't happen with rudder pedals.
My flight sim seems to crab automatically. I have all assists disabled but it flies with Jose into the wind at all times.
For some weird reason, I find the crabbing technique really easy. I don't know why - maybe it's that the perceived challenge makes me more focused.
Is this all from the CAA books you bought earlier from Pooleys? Seems like a good investment if so. I can't help wondering what all this would look like in the Warrior II.
So far this is all in book 1. I'm deliberately sticking to the 152 so far, so I get familiar with it. I may well repeat some of it in other aircraft as time goes on. www.pooleys.com/shop/pooleys-air-pilot-publishing/air-pilots-manual-volume-1-flying-training-book-ebook-bundle/
And how does wind vaning play into all these? I'm told it has to do with the wind throwing the tail in one direction while sending the airplane turning into the wind, or something like that. Any elaboration, please?
it does exactly what you expect - wind from the left pushes the tailplane right - so I'm correcting for that throughout with a mixture of bank angle and rudder. The textbook name for the sideslip technique is "crossed controls", because you're doing the opposite with rudder and aileron :)
I'm understanding the crabbing technique fairly well and can do it almost clean but I can't nail the sideslip for the life of me. For reference I'm flying the Piper Turbo Arrow 3 and I can't find the sweetspot to do the technique properly. I end up crabbing but in the other direction, sure I still go straight but my nose is pointing away from the wind and I arrive fairly sideways on the runway, tail in the wind. I still manage to land with this but it's a bit too much sports, being on one wheel sideways, zeroing rudder slowly to go straight and then puting the nose down. If anyone has some tips, I'm all ears.
Is it because I give too much aileron and have to overcompensate with rudder ?
Setup a crosswind (say 10 knots), and try flying circuits like I did - it will come eventually :)
@@jonbeckett You were right ! Managed to do it after a bit. Requires smooth and very little input with 10 knots of wind, made it a bit stronger to get a feel for it and it worked. Plane still is playful but that's why I love it. Kudos for the tutorial, I've been binge watching your videos lately, they help a lot.