Microsoft Is Forcing More Bloat Onto Your PC
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2023
- In this video I discuss how Microsoft WIndows has started installing HP software bloat on peoples computers, even if they don't have an HP printer or no printer at all.
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I was horrified after recently installing Windows 11. There are advertisements built into the start menu and task bar. Microsoft is turning their operating system into an advertising platform.
They don't really care about the ads.
They are incrementally making the public accept that a computer is a TV.
@@freedustinremember hotel TVs that charged you to watch TV and play games like n64
@@freedustin why exactly are people saying stuff are becoming "a tv", I'm curious
@@robloxarchiver Probably because a TV has lots of advertisements you have to watch, and soon Windows will be just like a TV. Tons of advertisements all over the place while you're trying to use it.
@@robloxarchiver It's about control. You can either accept the sponsored programming or turn it off.
Chesire cat is close, but the idea is not for advertising...ads and making money are an excuse to seize control. So they can force updates already, but in the future there will be no free updates and they will still be forced. And if your hardware is "old?" That's another thing its going to check on and force you to upgrade.
Forget the printerware bloat, hp machines now also come with built in spyware. This spyware does not show up on your programs but has to be removed through the registry.
Even worse, windows reinstalls it through every update automatically, and re enables launching it on statup, even if you have disabled it.
The software is called "HP analytics client", and its core files are buried in system 32. I believe there are other HP spyware systems as well.
Make data ownership a constitutionally protected right, and end the surveilence state.
Dell has similar shit, the Dell support assist logs so much about your computer
I am working to accept being a head connected to a tube that absorbs nutrients and delivers clicks. This is the way
@@pawouapproval984Linux is the only way to go with Dell.
Yup. My trade school forced us to purchase HP probooks with the worst, most bloated windows image i have ever seen in my life, including everything you mentioned. I swapped the 256gb NVME and 8gb of ram for a 1 TB an 16gb, threw opensuse tumbleweed on it and fired up a Windows 11 VM on the off chance i need to run some odd windows program.
@@MrMoto655 Yup, that's the way to go.
In the future, laptops are going to have 128 GB of ram
with 127 GB perpetually occupied with bloatware, adware, and spyware
this is why windows is better than linux: it always utilizes as much ram as possible (so efficient)
/s
@@user-sj7lk5lg3xthey had us in the first half, not gonna lie
@@user-sj7lk5lg3x because we all know that unused ram is wasted...
if your goal was to heat the room up
My laptop actually has 128GB of RAM and it perpetually has 17GBs locked up and that's with an enterprise edition of windows 10 with as many things locked down as I can tolerate with out defeating the purpose of having to have Windows 10.
Yep, computers of the future will eventually have thousands of times the capabilities of current ones, but once the OS loads, they'll have enough left-over resources to have the capability of a Commodore 64.
installed mint on my laptop... couldn't be happier. Windows has so much stuff I don't need, it's suffocating.
@Nick_Wilde-s_Sniff_Slave as long as you have the drivers it should be fine
Windows pissed me off went to Ubuntu and hopefully never looking back though it's the Windows centric stuff I miss that hopefully I can customize in bunty
@Nick_Wilde-s_Sniff_Slaveif you use a Nvidia GPU I advise you to install pop os. I liked it better than Linux mint which was quite bad in comparison.
It has been made with Nvidia drivers integration in mind
All my games work on my system, even repacks, the only thing required is to learn how to install and use Lutris.
The only problem I encountered was a glitch when my computer went in idle mode, which isn’t a problem since I never let it go to this mode anyway.
@Nick_Wilde-s_Sniff_SlaveUse a custom windows iso. I recommend Revi OS. You can’t really use Linux if your main purpose for the computer is gaming because many anti-cheats don’t support Linux.
@Nick_Wilde-s_Sniff_SlaveIn short mint made me drop Linux for months, while pop os made me uninstall windows completely
I installed ubuntu on my grandparents' PC and they didn't even realize the change. At the end of the day, most normies use web apps, so as long as you install the same browser, they'll click the icon, and everything else is the same.
Hey I wanna get a PC for gaming purposes and I fully acknowledge Windows BS, but A. I like the Windows UI, and B. There's a couple of apps that afaik only use Windows, am I just confined to the fate of having Windows constantly spying on me?
Unfortunately, this is not so true in North America precisely because of one app: TURBOTAX
@@dontkickmychick6076if the linux community and gaming on linux grows (thanks steam deck and valve and wine) we may one day be finally free
I sold my dad my old laptop with Ubuntu, the transition was easy since he has hated Microsoft for decades.
Like, when I was a kid, he refused to buy me an Xbox for that reason alone, got me a PS2 instead.
@@dontkickmychick6076 not using linux (yet) but i believe there are windows VMs and software like wine
This is not a bug. This is a marketing ploy between HP and Microsoft 😂
like when Apple forced that U2 album on everyone
I remember when microsoft updated windows and HP computers started breaking
@@frogsuitAs a non-awoken Apple user, that shit is still in my library. Literally wtf
@@Brixster you held the device wrong, now ya have to take it to a apple store and pay them 1000$ to remove the app, probably not something new for you though.
"bug"
How many computer engineers started their journey by trying to get more CPU cycles out of their favorite video game? The number has to be in the dozens.
Exact situation for me. I would not doubt that it's in the double digit percentile of people right now
I had a tiny netbook with one gig of ram. I wish I was strong enough to switch to Linux back then.
Got tired of playing Minecraft on my moms laptop and accidentally became a CS major.
I did. My first PC was a 233Mhz. Ran Windows XP on it.
Same, cs source on Intel core 2 duo laptop was my war
"Windows did something bad!" is the same as saying "The floor tastes like floor."
"ah yes the floor here is made out of floor"
The floor is lava
@@muhdiversity7409 if lava gets on you you'll burn alive
It has been a crusade for me since 1995. I have waged a raging battle against Windows dismally unintuitive, illogical, and downright bizarre ways of doing things literally since the last century. I don't know why, it's a matter of principle more than anything since I went full Linux years ago...
No because ppl are still using it
Recently started my new office job as a wagie engineer. Worst part of the position is being forced to use microsoft edge with bing as the search engine. I haven't used either in a while on my desktop at home, so the insane amount of bloat on just a bing search results page shocked me.
In a recent video Louis Rossmann explained how to use chatGPT to filter out junk in google search results. Or something like that. Microsoft is among the backers of chatGPT and i heard that they plan to integrate it in their search engine in the future.
Tbh I didn’t try Rossmann method because his examples were not relevant to me but you might want to check it out. I don’t think chatGPT is incompatible with your being forced to use edge/bing.
bruh i use it on my daily basis. edge cuz of it being faster chrome, and bing cuz of its better design (for me), and it having bingAI
@@rajarshighoshal6256 mac 😂😂😂😂
Since google search became so crappy... i use sometimes bing & yandex to get different result ... You can't claim than google search is still a reference for searching in 2023 ...
It's like claiming than you like youtube search ....
And chrome as a browser ... seriously... sometimes, i just prefer Edge ... especially if i can't use opera.
Google search is full of bloat also ... half of the link are ads or virus ...
peak sarcasm, I applaud you@@rajarshighoshal6256
With the way that Microsoft keeps changing up or "refreshing" the UI thereby causing our non-tech savvy relations and friends endless confusion, a simple Linux system with a "classic" style UI like Mint, Zorin, etc. is likely to feel more comfortable and manageable for them. They can also keep their old system that they're used saving a lot of buck$.
My dad uses his computer to play solitaire and freecell, sometimes fantasy football, and he's using a 12 year old desktop to do so. I'm building him a new desktop environment with a raspberry pi 4 for Christmas to get him something usable again without having to deal with TPMs and windoze.
Every time we sit in a meeting we see the XBox advertisement on the login screen on Windows on the beamer. It's quite impressive to be so aggressively anti-user as a corporation to show them advertisement on their business operating system.
"Sure, you're trying to have a private corporate meeting, but have you thought of buying a game console also?"
I don't see any problem with this, capitalism promotes it, and everybody seems 100% on board with capitalism and all its wonders, so I don't get the complaints at all.
Annoying and intrusive, but at least it’s one of the “features” that can be turned off.
Actually the bloat sells hardware. Those of us with real operating systems don't replace our PC every three years. My Ubuntu runs fine on an i7 2600 from year 2011.
I have an old celeron laptop, still works fine with linux.
Ah, so Microsoft is trying the apple strategy on a 10x more expensive product, man I love big tech :)))))
Sir, a lot of us use our computers for more than just work. A lot of us game, you cannot comfortably game on Linux, not yet at least. Especially not with older hardware
@@billyberner there is literally a linux gaming handheld. 🤣
@@GoonyMclinux cool I can play like 15 out of the 10,000 games?
That reminds me of how Windows has this 'intentional' bug where it overwrites AMD drivers with the one downloaded from its servers making the AMD management software incompatible.
I've been using an AMD RX 6800 XT GPU for a couple years with the manufacturer's drivers and software and haven't had this happen once.
@@techDROOI also have a RX 6800 XT and this has never happened on Windows 11 for me either
As far as I know this only happened once for most people but it has been some time since I looked up info on it. From anecdotal experience, it felt like a windows update overwrote some unimportant AMD driver version number somewhere because my AMD drivers and software worked fine with the exception that Battlefield 1 refused to boot citing a driver version error. Everything else worked fine. This was about 6 months ago for me and my RX 580.
@@parus8798 I had this last month. I booted up my Vegas Pro 14 and images were suddenly having a blue tint and videos normal color but when rendered, it was the other way around. Turning off GPU acceleration helped, but the preview started lagging. Since all forums pointed out Windows likely installed their version of the drivers, I had to find a stable version that didn't cause this issue, wiped off the current drivers and installed that version. That fixed it. I have an RX 480.
@@techDROO It might be possible that its rarer than I mentioned since it only happened to two of my laptops. One having an amd integrated gpu while the other has an amd dedicated gpu.
I’m glad I no longer have to worry about this on my own computers anymore. Now I just have to deal with it when I am my close family’s tech support 😭
Give them an AI to toy with
Liar
what
That’s why nobody in my family is running windows. They either have a Mac or a Linux device. I refuse to fix Microsoft’s stupidity
I don't do tech support for anyone.
omg, that story about messing with school PCs really got to me.
I'm not sure why exactly it was that, but we've found a way to instantly shutdown any PC in the class using other PC's prompt. Yeah, we've done a metric ton of trolling that way...
Share technique
Still works on every version of windows. Its shutdown /i
@@Log4Jake yeah, I think we also included some sort of number that would identify a PC
and it wasn't an IP, as far as I remember, but some random integer, we must've found by experiment.
that was a complete mess.
im admin on school district and we don't get any of those problems :) just because i care about the systems and making sure that this cannot happen. it needs little bit work but when you have your student and staff systems ready, just clone and distribute those with clonezilla, all the settings and desktops are perfectly secure, then just change the system name and your school is safe.
Well, that's evil. (Grinch smile)
Speaking of Aero in Vista, when I had an ATI GPU (Mobility HD3650), Vista was great. In fact, disabling Aero made it consume MORE power from the battery. As it turns out, the GPU is actually more efficient than the CPU, when it comes to drawing and compositing windows.
I miss Aero, actually.
that shit was great
it does depend on the GPU, it may be that Mental Outlaw had a GPU insufficient to run Aero smoothly.
@@yotoprules9361 That laptop on the intro was a Celeron M with the god awful GMA 950 .
GMA 950? that can run Aero just fine. I have a Celeron M machine myself which has the GMA 915, and I believe the GMA 945 was the earliest to support aero. If his laptop really had GMA 950 it should've worked fine at the laptop's native RES (probably 1280x800) @@joebates8659
I've had this happen on Windows 10 for a long time. In fact I built a new system for my parents over the holidays and they have an old HP printer that's only connected to the network. After a fresh install with a local account, it immediately installed the HP software without any prompt whatsoever. Granted, there was actually a printer but if it installs it that aggressively without warning, it's no surprise a 'bug' would cause it happen without one. I've even seen it get installed automatically on my laptop by simply connecting to their wifi. As far as I'm concerned, this is malicious behavior that shouldn't even be legal.
"the operating system detected a network printer from my wifi and intuitively looked for drivers to use that network printer--this is malicious!"
lmao
@@Robbie-mw5uu I hear you but can we really call that drivers when it's literally installing software on its own?
You should cover the AI features Microsoft installed sneakily into Windows 11. Seems spooky to me
Sneakily? Microsoft loudly announced it and acted like a smug kitten waiting to be congratulated for catching a mouse.
@@JollyOldCanuck One could say if they did not ask for permission from the user, they did it sneakily. MS is the worst of both worlds these days.
@@gerg5555 any OS: *adds a feature*
user: *updates OS*
ooo those sneaky maintainers
@@surewhynot6259
Updates are not optional in Windows.
@@JollyOldCanuck I guess that's true that they're marketing it hard, but they just installed it with a random update. It didn't even say what all it was or how to use it but it's there now.
their reputation is in the gutter at this point...
If that mattered we all wouldn't use windows everyday at work or at home
@@WiseOwl_1408 I use TempleOS . God is good especially with 64 cores
@@WiseOwl_1408 reputation means nothing when the government grants Microsoft a perpetual monopoly. The fact that Bill Gates, that little weasel, dodged that antitrust suit in 1997 is a travesty.
@@WiseOwl_1408I don’t use windows
The thing is not the random HP spyware being installed, but the function in windows to stealthily and forcibly install whatever they want onto your pc, i can see some intern was given the task to update the printer and they accidently told the program to install the auto launcher/update.
i've been using linux for two days and even though it hasn't been entirely smooth sailing, KDE Neon is so fluid and nice with an absurd amount of customization that I can't help but love it. Unlike with windows, I'm no longer afraid of restarting my computer as I can start using my PC as soon as it actually boots, rather than waiting for everything to load for the computer to become usable. Sure, I upgraded my PC massively (from a 1050Ti to a 7800 XT and i5 gen 8 intel to Ryzen 7 7700x w/ SSD), but it's still a factor in why I'm staying with linux.
Also, using the terminal is so fun.
restarting any pc since 2016 takes a matter of seconds, bro...
@@ioritenshinot true at all
@@ioritenshiye cool, explain to me how my windows 10 pc is booting up within 6 seconds then?
It boots first with BSOD: Irq not less or equal, second time with something kernel exception, third time with the stupid repair thingie, forth time in linux. In 6 seconds. XD
general autismo@@Foga001
Man, I can't believe Windows and HP have an agenda to shut down activities at my grandma's church (ب_ب) this feels personal now
Have they tried TempleOS?
Every time bloat is involved it means one thing glowies are involved.
Lol
My biggest fear MS or other big company will do something against Linux, like it happens with Red Hat. Looking around especially in these days, Linux is a last line of defense your privacy and right to use information technology for free. Also big shout-out you and information channels like you to talking about these tricky traps!
That's the way of capitalism! Competition giving you issues? Just buy them! Now you have a monopoly FUCK I'm sorry I meant healthy and legitimate way of doing business, and everybody wins. You win less than the people who own you, but still, a penny is a penny regardless if the other guy gets a trillion, right? EVERYBODY WINS!
There's Also FreeBSD\OpenBSD as alternatives but these platforms have much fewer programs available, nothing but FOSS available if I remember. Even then if something bad happened to Linux, there WILL be a new fork everyone will move to. Much like with Open office -,> LibreOffice
Unironically, I put Ubuntu on my Grandmas computer because she kept getting it infested with viruses. A few years later, the same os is on there and I haven't had any problems from her since. Now, I'm not sure who the target audience for windows is anymore, its literally worse at almost every use case aside from gaming. Even gaming only works better on Windows because gaming companies install a rootkit anticheat on your system
Music production?
People like me who are too lazy to switch to Linux but understand how much better it is, for the most part…
The target use case is earning shit loads of money from all kinds of data collection and proprietary stuff, and target audience is either {people are too complacent & compliant with this} or {don't have a tech support to install linux for them}.
woww, i was going to say what means _exactly_ the same @@goofyahdemoman1134
> _"People like me who are too lazy to switch to Linux but understand how much better it is, for the most part…"_
@dreaper5813 why are you hurt?
> _"Then that's your problem and not a problem of Linux."_
And now, were getting to the point where Windows games run better on Linux than actual Windows.
If Gramma cant print off snickerdoodle recipes, we riot. Never mess with Gramma.
the only thing stopping me from switching to linux is multiplayer games ):
i am an a loop of install dual boot then forget that i have linux or just mainly using windows because it gets annoying switching back to back because of one game or app
What games specifically?
My solution to this was getting a second GPU off FB marketplace, then making a windows vm with gpu passthrough. Mutahar has a good video on this if you're interested
Stop consuming and start producing. Gaming is for poor people.
@@bbrainstormer2036 rainbow six doesn't work due to their anticheat for example
Damn that sounds badass might give it a go
When I still used Windows, I always used LiteStep to replace much of the bloat. But eventually it was still just too much.
Wdym with too much, you weren't able to uninstall it all?
@@br.3250try uninstalling Cortana permanently
I've removed HP Smart twice off my PC. I'm infuriated. I'm so mad I may just write a letter. A PHYSICAL letter.
Not hardcopy!!!
After watching this video, I immediately checked to see if it was present on my Acer Nitro.
Haven’t found any traces of the app on it yet though I’ll be keeping an eye out now. Thanks for the warning!
Did the same thing too. I was getting ready to let Revo unistaller do its thing but looks like I'm safe so far.
As I heard it, the EU isn't applying any fines for MS, they're simply banning any of that bloat in EU outright. I hope I heard correctly.
HP printer drivers are great on Windows 10: I have to reinstall the drivers every single time I print something. The printer somehow is also visible as a WLAN network even though I have the wireless "disabled" on the printer. The printer ink is also always "critically low". On MacOS and Linux, there are never any problems.
Im glad i switched to linux 5ish months ago as my daily driver. Windows on idle with no apps open uses 20-40% CPU usage on my pc. My linux daily driver uses between 0.2% to 3% usage on idle with no apps open.
Windows is not just a bloatware. It's a real security threat. I still don't understand how it is possible to keep any personal files on a Windows computer
Are we not passed Windows XP just giving everything Administrator? I thought Vista kind of improved security with UAC..
@@dsihacks UAC was never a good solution, it was far too prone to bother people which leads to people ignoring it.
@@asdion And how different is that from people just running everything as root upon request?
@@dsihacks For example, my grandma used to constantly get an UAC warning for the automatically starting Mozilla Maintenance Service, following this she just got used to always accept it and that's the mentality i talk about.
Meanwhile I've not seen such things with Linux, it always tends to be a deliberate act and you don't just get random prompts that numb you to the warning they are supposed to be.
Of course bad practices exist but that does not mean one system isn't objectively better than the other.
Stay paranoid and just store all your data on paper in a basement
This is why I was forced to stop the update on my Laptop. Years ago I bought this laptop, installed minimum apps for my campus work, and didn't changes any setting or install any games. Every time Windows auto-update (2 weeks once for small updates, and a month once for big), this is fuckin' disaster. Every time I follow this standard update, it just destroys my PC. I bought a PC to help me finish my work, I don't have time to do troubleshooting and search the trouble every time it updated.
.
I found the apps to stop the update, my PC become 10 times better.
This happened to me too! Windows would just break itself on every other update install, and it happened on multiple laptops and on my desktop. Drove me insane! It wasn't software I had installed because it even happened once on a clean Windows 10 ISO straight from the Microsoft site. They did eventually fix this, I think, because it hasn't happened to me in years. But, it's one of the many reasons I've been slowly moving to Linux
Malware is correct. Had to disable manufacturer icon and software downloads in 10 some time ago to prevent these shenanigans. The Monopoly Store is also banned. Have to keep Windows on the work nugget, but not going down without a struggle.
I had a similar acer laptop and loved that thing. I was emulating ps1 and n64 games, as well as playing PSOBB in college. During my senior year it would refuse to boot sometimes, I had to keep power cycling. Good times.
Windows 7 Home Professional to the end, great customizability, some modern conveniences, simple but not so simple that it makes it unappealing, undesirable and even defeats the intention of the goal and makes it a mess to navigate. It also doesnt install bloatware that the masses want, and assume you'd want against your will like Candy Crush (bloatware), Facebook (basically spyware), telemetrics such as geolocation tracking which can range in accuracy from as vague as your nation to your current street.
I was using the same until I wasn't able to download many programs, and because I couldn't receive security updates it had troubles, it was a mess, finally made the change to linux and I'm so happy
Are people seriously so regarded they can’t put minimal effort into avoiding viruses and monitor their network activity? If you can’t use older OS’s and need the very latest up to date security measures because you’re clicking on every single link and DOWNLOAD button you see maybe you should stop using a computer LinuxBros.
i can recommend Windows 10 LTSC Enterprise for you. It is not "as a service", free of most bloat and gets security patches until 2032 without any major changes or "features"
@dreaper5813 If you have the opportunity, go for it.
My income is dependant on Windows programs, so i don't really have that choice. 10 LTSC feels like Win7, so it's fine for me. It even doesn't have that junk MS store, just the bare bones OS.
I have like 30+ group policy settings set to debloat windows. No automatic updates, no telemetry, no Bing Ai, no Windows automatically deleting files i download off the internet.
I want to have full control over my operating system. Microsoft does not. They want as much control over people's personal devices wnich i find to be a huge digital rights violation.
Sadly i have a lot of purchased games that only work on windows so it's been hard to stick with Linux.
EDIT: yes, I'm fully aware of proton for steam but I still prefer running games natively on windows.
lol i just put my hp laptop to a arch linux setup cause i was so tired of windows fucking with my system. Been so happy ever since. Love your videos (i use arch btw cause I'm better than everyone obviously).
I recommend openSUSE leap with a server install if you dont remember to update your laptop frequently like me. Pacman gets dependency errors if i leave arch too long
@@clockblower6414I've experienced this too, but I found if you do "sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && sudo pacman -Syu" instead of the usual, it updates just the keys first, and so everything works, at least for me.
But yeah you're right, arch is probably not ideal for laptops for this exact reason. Just wanted to share that, idk.
I had Arch on my old Dell Latitude. Worked great. Somewhere somehow I f'd up updating packages and couldn't boot anymore meh. Gonna have to get my data off it someday. Want my config files and I was working on a game engine in C++
@@187onaPigeon thats depressing im sorry to hear that
"Denial of Church service" had me wheezing
I knew there was something weird when the HP app showed up on my computer! I don't even have a hp printer lmfao
The tipping point for Linux adoption comes when the usability pain-point of Windows eclipses the learning-curve switching to Linux for everyday users. It's getting to that point.
I think a lot of people would switch to Linux if it supported videogames on the same level as windows(I had bad experience with proton several years ago)
Nah, I've been hearing something similar since, probably, 2009-2010 when I first learned about Linux. The situation doesn't change much, and most likely Linux will keep having 1-2% of users
Over the years I tried linux many times and allways come back to windows. Now Im second month on ubuntu and I feel we are very close to the point when it "just works". I think this time Im gonna stay with linux. I boot into windows just for cad software. I think I eventualy upgade my pc and setup some vm with windows just for cad.
It's too bad most easy-to-access settings in Windows are not easily accessible in Linux without using the backwards-assed terminal. Linux fools shoot themselves in the foot by not adapting to modern sensibilities.
proton works for every single game i have tried. proton is amazing!!!@@user-gt2th3wz9c
Use an uninstaller program, like Revo Uninstaller, to get rid of hidden and left over files that does not get removed when normally uninstalling a program.
that is bloatware too tho
@dreaper5813 I'm so close it is unreal. I have done multiple test runs with Arch and have it figured out. Damn CoD season starts today, and it's my guilty pleasure that doesn't work on Linux because of the damn anti cheat.
Classic Microsoft denial of service
When a corporation does it, most they pay is a fine.
When a person does it, they get send to jail.
Celeron, to be honest, is like saying "Your processor is a leek".
Jokes aside, after putting my antivirus on strict, I kept seeing that one drive and share point are trying to open internet links and I haven't registered in either of them 😕
my linux journey started when I was writing php on windows, but deploying on linux. I saw how simple and straightforward things were on linux and how much I struggled on windows. one day I switched and never looked back on windows for work
I dual booted for a while for gaming purposes, then a Windows VM with passthrough but for the past 3 years, I'm gaming via proton and wine and it works great.
I still have a tiny10 VM for some government app and adobe reader for signing some official docs, but that's about it.
Frame this in context: My i7 2.4Ghz gen 4 w/ hdd and 16gb ram requires more time to wake from sleep to the point it can launch and be capable of loading a new web page with the current version of WIN10 than my 486 40Mhz required to relaunch Win98 from power off to launching Netscape; the former was the bloatware debacle of the day.
You need an SSD, even on something like Linux it makes a big performance impact.
@@yotoprules9361 Thanks, I have looking into swapping out the original equipment in my laptop but I am hesitant to do so simply because the OS is abusing the resources that I need to do my work. Whats to stop it from further encroachment. I put in more RAM at one point and that gain was soon lost and is now worse than before. The software that I utilize on this machine has been responsive from day one. I believe it to be the OS updates that are changing operation of the OS which is preventing my applications from accessing the computer's resources. According to some technicians I approached to do a swap, they a bound by some legal agreements from cloning the contents of my HDD to an SSD. This in itself is insidious and leaning towards forced obsolescence tactics. I would have to download gigabytes of application updates, assuming they are all still available, in the process of reinstalling all my applications from scratch. Days and days if not weeks of unnecessary downtime. Not to mention the possible throttling my internet provider may place upon my service. 😖🤯
True that, even bloatware like Windows is booting pretty fast
This kind of video reminds me when I was advocating for linux decade ago, how linux is the best and it's efficient and it's not bloated and it foolproof for your parents, etc. etc.
But over the years you start to realize how real people work and it's not that simple. Remember the first thing after installing Ubuntu for my sister who literally only browsed internet on their computer messaging me that "Hey, how do I install Spotify now? I can download it but it won't install" because it wasn't available for Linux and they downloaded windows executable. Next one was that they needed CAD software for school which was only made for Windows and it wouldn't work under WINE. I started to grow up where I could afford more expensive computers so I wanted to play more than just gamecube and runescape.
It's same kind of stuff here. Mainstream user does not know how computers work and when they plug in printer, it should Just Work™. Still remember back in XP days when installing computer, basically nothing on the computer worked until I painfully also installed all the drivers needed, nowdays after installing Windows 11 it has already installed all necessary drivers during initial installation, which is what end consumer assumes from it.
I do agree on notion that user should still be informed and they confirm what is ultimately installed in the end, if it's anything more than driver required to operate the plugged in machine. But my main point is that this level of FOSS fanboyism is as toxic as windows is and I would hope that youtube alghorithm also figures this out and stops recommending me these.
I would see this as customer service standpoint where customer clearly bought HP printer and they plugged it into the machine, so instead of HP needing to instruct the user to go somewhere to download and install stuff to use all the shiny new features of the printer, they get them automatically. It's the Apple level mentality where you buy new Apple product like earbuds and open them up next to iPhone, they just immidiately install and pair for you, which is exactly why so many avarage people are into Apple.
I recently installed Windows 11 Ghost Spectre on an old laptop from 2008 with a core 2 duo. It's an edition of windows someone made that debloated it to the point that it can run on 4gb of RAM. It's fantastic.
That sounds almost illegal 😂
I've heard about it but still I don't know how compatible it is with older software and some programs
@@histhoryk2648 I suggest running it in a VM or a spare drive to test them out.
Chris titus' debloater is also great for those who don't believe in untrusted ISOs and for gaming purpose. CZcams is still our friend.
Using an old ,non activated windows 10 version is working for me
I already have this bs bloat on my system due to having of their mediocre printers. Part of the reason I built a Linux build in the first place many moons ago. Started out with Ubuntu, moved on to Mint, and currently run PopOs!.
I'm ride-or-die with Windows since it seems like I gotta be comfortable with it one way or another and I'm honestly not sure what my install will look like after W10 dies. The spyware runs too deep
I would use Linux Mint as alternative for Windows on old devices. It is also based on Ubuntu.
Linux Mint is awesome. I made the switch and I'm not going back.
Especially nasty: Microsoft prohibits the ofering or even development of Win7 drivers.
I saw that and assumed that an old HP app I had from a $40 printer/scanner during my last semester.
Reminds me of when Skype reinstalled itself on my old laptop while I was 1/4 paying attention and all of the popups gave me an anxiety attack
Can't wait for the lawsuit in EU. They've already fine them for just internet browser and other stuff. No way this is acceptable. As for the US. God Damn I wish laws pass already to protect the consumer data and privacy against this companies.
Big reason why I now use mint
Crazy how nobody talk about Windows 11 Buisness Edition. You can actually activate it with MAS and it come without bloatwares. It would be interessing to see if all this new bloat is installed by default on Buisness.
MAS?
Never a better time to pick up Linux, and virtualize windows if you absolutely have to for specific software.
MS is making me. Oh I hung on for gaming, sure. But it is MS at the end of the day making everything but gaming, and even gaming on it less practical than penguin alts
If only there was a Linux VM software that supports Wayland fractional scaling API.
Indeed, starting M$ experience with Vista is a shortcut to Linux 😂
Brother in limewire, you have just reserved a permanent space in my heart rent-free.
Much love.
The section about the aspire 3680 brought back really fond memories of the time I got this hand-me-down lenovo 3000 n100 from my dad, when I was a kid.
Great video as always :)
JUST TODAY I had an itchy feeling about machine underperformance and went on a service stopping and bloat/update uninstalling spree for a few hours. The other week I took an old gaming laptop and set it up with EndeavourOS (its uhhh pretty much arch but friendlier as I understand it. was easy enough. I'm still learning all the Distro Lore) as my first venture into desktop linux computing, barely being familiar with gnu/linux beyond occasionally doing basic shit in an ssh session to some server at old jobs. Going from that 3 hour taking out the trash session in Win10 to the new-old machine and seeing ZERO network traffic when idle, was seriously like stepping directly from I don't know, an airport in Guangzhou directly to the peak of the Rocky mtns
Beautiful analogy. Truth
Microsoft Windows ❌
Macrohard Barrier ✅
what’s even funnier about this is that HP printers are the absolute worst pieces of garbage ever produced. i would rather hand write complete documents than use a fucking HP printer
I've had to go back on Windows 10 on my PC because my job's laptop blew up (unsurprisingly) because of 11, and work from that until they send me a replacement. Can't wait to go back on Linux eventually. Luckily I'm using a minified version of 10 without bullshit stuff.
They wouldn't let you install linux at your job's laptop? 🤔
@@br.3250 No because it requires Visual Studio to run back end components and other Microsoft softwares for Windows only, which aren't available at all on Linux.
Microsoft knows that HP Printer Services is a sham and they absolutely were aware of the auto-installation aspect of it. Not to mention the difficulty in disabling the "Run at start up" feature. Now they say "Oops... it is a 'BUG'"
i wish i'd known about linux live sessions back when i'd been in school. i would have brought minecraft with me everywhere.
Portability may be Tux's biggest "selling" point
And the argument is always: we need your data to improve our products. But in reality, the products are getting worse and worse.
Example: A customer's printer suddenly refused to print because it couldn't connect to the online account. The printer is simply connected via USB.
Juicero levels of efficiency
Prob also Spy-Bloatware
Ive known all about linux for a long time ago i was sick of microsofts windows 11 bullshit started 19 months ago no regrets i found out about it from a linus tech tips video i got intrested came across your channel watched a bunch of your videos manged to get a working install of ubuntu while dualbooting switched to a diffrent distro when i got a new cumputer in my opnion linux sort of breaks you down and builds you up all the troubleshooting you do makes you more tech savy witch i wanted to be i didnt just want to use linux i wanted to learn from it grow from it thats why i even wanted to switch distros instead of just using ubuntu witch is another thing i dont have regrets about i like linux and i honestly tought it was just a diffrent term for chorme os back then but now that ive actually used it i will never go back for me linux is the best
edit i made this comment before i watched the video and didnt realise how simmalr i was i have aspire and i started with linux at 13 also you have any tips for artch and bsd im pretty intrested in that
And not a single character of punctuation applied. Great story though, keep going
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You know i well and yes i was to lazy to add grammer@@DonaldDucksRevenge
😎 Indeed@@br.3250
Been on Linux for a year when I help people to configure Windows machine I always happy that I made a correct migration to the Linux world!
Reasons like this are exactly why I still use Vista and 7 to this day. However, I wouldn't consider Aero bloat. It included many benefits to the end user and if you didn't like it, you could ultimately turn it off without affecting anything else. Unlike Windows 8/10/11, almost everything is hooked into dwm.exe, and it will crash the moment you try to do anything with dwm.exe disabled. The same thing happens if you start disabling a bunch of other services that aren't necessary, chances are major components will start breaking or crashing with the horrid way Microsoft has knit together its bloat.
I remember that laptop. We had 2 of them. I used that thing for like 10 years. They were $199 ea on a black Friday deal and my Dad thought it was such a crazy good deal he bought 2. Got out money out of it. I did add RAM and disabled Aero as well. But i didnt use it for anything too heavy, until I got into graphics and used it to run a specialty printer and make designs. Good times.
Forget about bloatware, I can't even search for my files without a persistent internet connection.
I feel like Microsoft is trying to make it easier for idiots who don't know how to configure a printer. Like at this point they should just include every x86 app on the internet if they truly want a 'one size fits all' experience.
as much as I love to use Pop! OS, the only reason why I still use Windows, sadly, is because it's the only stable way to play VR games even with my Index because VR stuff still isn't matured well on everything Linux
Only reason I still use this god awful os is because 1. I am really worried about screwing my entire os over by doing something wrong in Linux and 2. I have tons of files already installed
tbh VR having bad linux support is the reason why I haven't got it yet. Hopefully once windows 10 support ends this type of thing will be fixed
I can relate so much with the thumbnail. My HP laptop was so bloated on windows 10, I simply couldn't fix buggy drivers...
always a good day when MO uploads
Microsoft isn't forcing anything on to my PC, as I migrated to Linux. 😄 Windows, can eat a mountain of d**ks.
I started playing with linux in the 90s when I had time to experiment with everything, and I had the massive phonebook sized Linux manual replete with command lines, when getting X86 running was a bit of a struggle....and yes, I noticed it's ability to run on practically no RAM, etc etc. But when I got hooked on ProTools and Reason, I hung up my Linux spurs ...
But now that I'm retired, and the ease of running Virtual Box and the like makes playing with alternate OSs (OSses?) a breeze, I'm dreaming of the day when the tattered (but still amazing) laptop I have will be converted to Ubuntu or the like....
Of course the real dream would be to have an alternate laptop with a massive NVIDIA card so I could host my own stable diffusion and a PA based on llama2 (sp?)..... I'd stagger out of bed in the morning and my aipa (AIPA) would tell ME what to do, accompanied with a text-to-graphics none-too-flattering picture of myself singing that old Who song, "Talking about my degeneration"...
Yeah yeah, very funny....
Well, I could think of worse ways to slide into Oldtimer's disease on my way to the great Computer in the sky....
Oh yeah, Windoze....why Micro$oft wants to shovel bazillions of dollars into stochastic parrots I don't know... They're not making enough on subscription programs, subscription OSses, and eventually subscription hardware like Apple...? Hell, am I gonna need a prescription to handle all those subscriptions on a fixed income! (fixed? Hell, its so broke that I'M broke!)
Well, at least it's not Apple where the saying seems to be, "if they ain't broke, we need to (price) fix it".
Yup, we live in interesting times all right....but you know the old saying so I don't have to repeat it, thank goodness! Same as it ever was....cheers!
1:00 That computer gives me nostalgia!!! I had one of those, but mine had Windows XP Media edition.
Such a terrible OS
@@DonaldDucksRevenge I prefer it over Windows 10 & 11.
@@heroslippy6666 I get that but at the same time XP Me had compatibility issues with lot 32 and 16 bit. I totally understand though
When the grandma accidentally does ctrl+alt+t then types sudo rm -rf /*
I switched to linux and th only thing I use windows is for gaming. And sadly, I don't see a near future where I can enjoy gaming on linux. Maybe someday. And yes linux rocks!!!! After a while, you clearly know what you are doing and how you are are achieving that task, it's like a fog wall is removed from your mind.
About a week ago I had "Canon Inkjet Print Utility" get installed, no one has used the printer in over a month. Seems like a bit of a coincidence so might not just be HP. Eitherway it was auto installed still
Oh hey, i saw this one in school, when in the middle of the presentation a UAC prompt with HP Smart popped up
Start 11 is pretty cool, It allows you to change the start menu and search to a Windows 7 esque experience.
Currently running win 10, but helping my mom use her laptop which has win 11 installed has led me to the conclusion that if ms ever forces an update to win 11, I will be switching to linux. Pls recommend babby's first distro.
In the same boat here, a friend recommended Ubuntu as a beginner friendly option. I know many here will scoff at this 😂
I can't use Linux for work, and a few Enterprise Apps are only available for M$ and Mac; therefore, I use a Mac. I don't have issues auto-switching between collaboration apps; bluetooth works, unlike my old M$ machine(high-end HP machine); every update used to break Bluetooth and OS would be creeping slow. I found my productivity levels and work rate improved dramatically. It is good for my mental too.
Also Edge browser - yikes with all the stuff loading on the start page. imo - the start page should be clean and then you choose your options, instead, I found myself turning everything off.
I do want to move over to a Linux OS eventually, think my biggest blockade is the amount of stuff id need to move over
oh the amount of times I have misclicked on those lockscreen ads
I installed Lubuntu on my dads horrible old 2 core amd laptop which could barely even run Windows 7 from new, and he’s never been happier. It’s so much faster.
Just had two updates in one day for my Visual Studio Community IDE earlier. Bug fixes both! Well... More code more bugs so, with all this bloatware we can expect more issues!
I dread to think how future Windows will operate, once they bloat up those versions even more with AI crap!
I love how non-challantly he uses RunEscape jargon
We need a law that says OS makers may not include any means for the unsolicited instillation of applications. Actually it should be illegal for a computer to perform any network activity that was not initiated or configured by the user. (Automatic updates would have to be user configurable, but the initial setup could have allow selected by default.) Configured by the user would cover things like checking for and installing updates, automatic backups, Email clients etc, and cloud services, so things that have a reason to be allowed access the network without requiring the user to manually initiate the network connection, things like advertisements would only be possible in webpages and webapps.
They can *_try_* . Their latest update borked Windows Update on Win11. It refuses to update now, so I guess it's safe. Either way, I've got a chromebook running Arch Linux (xfce4 DE), so I can bail if it becomes unbearable.
would say i don't have any bloat since i'm using linux, but you could say the excessive amount of libraries i need to do some tasks could be considered bloat, but ultimately i'm the one installing those and they're probably not spying on me.
You get thoses libraries in windows too..
@@civismesecret2795ya and those also spy on you it's pretty amazing how many layers there are to microshaft's spying.
In windows you typically have the program installing the libraries it needs when installing the program itself. So if you have 10 programs using the same library, that same library is getting installed 10 times.
I just switched to pop os and I like it :)
im glad i learned about windows customizing...
since w10 i never had any bloatware on my windows pcs lol