Why Your Palomar Fishing Knot Breaks!
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- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
- Having trouble tying a palomar knot with fluorocarbon fishing line? If so, chances are you are making a few key mistakes in tying this fishing knot that are cutting and abrading the line and weaken it.
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It's funny how learning the same info again through a different source still brings satisfaction. Great fishing tip!
It's all in the details, always take your time when tying a knot. It's the weakest link between you and a fish of a lifetime.
Great video. I am so done with over rated/over priced fluorocarbon. Tie the same good knot on clear mono, with a good bait, and catch just as many or more fish, with 30% better abrasion resistance.
Yep.........me too. I posted a comment here over 6 yrs ago saying there's nothing wrong with a palomar knot on fluoro, so long as the knot is tied carefully, like this video shows. HOWEVER, I have since proven to myself that fluoro is the biggest money making scam in fishing history. It is by far the weakest of all fishing lines. That's because fluoro belongs to the GLASS family. Every type of stress causes fractures on the entire length of fluoro off the spool, all the way to your hook or lure. I got sick & tired of losing fish ( even small fish ) on the hook set or even lures during casting, I switched 100% back over to tried & true Berkley/Trilene Big Game mono, and over 90% of my line breakage issues disappeared. I'm DONE with fluoro. The only thing it's good for is getting deep diving lures a little deeper ( because fluoro sinks ) in clear water with NO heavy cover around. And even then, ya have to use brand new fluoro for every trip out on the water, because every hook set, every snag, even big or powerful fish are all causing all of those tiny FRACTURES throughout the entire length of fluoro line off your spool. CZcams ch: SALT STRONG did an amazing video/test that proves once & for all just how sorry fluoro truly is for fishing, and how quickly & easily it breaks, even when brand new. It's over-priced & over-hyped garbage.
Mason hard type mono… that is where it’s at for leader material.
Thanks a lot for the information as Paloma knot is my most often used knot by far! Thanks again for the video.
Great video, I do love the palomar knot for my braided line, for Fluoro and mono I prefer the uni knot, feels a little more forgiving when dealing with the line memory and it’s always been pretty strong and reliable.
*I was pleased with Trilene mono line **enjoyable.fishing** recommend performance (25 lb. test) because it offers smooth casting with no tangles/bird's nest in the spool. And, knots can be tied effectively with ease. I would recommend.*
I was doing everything right, except wetting the line. Great video! Thank's for showing the arbour knot and demonstrating what fluorocarbon does to itself when cinched down. Great idea to show what happens and how it creates those micro abrasions. The Palomar is the strongest know there is, because it bends the line the least amount of times in the finished product and every bend weakens the line strength. The Palomar retains about 90-95% of the line strength when done right. Superior to any other knot. It is strong and the end result is simple in terms of bends.
without doubt, the very best knot. after tying a few times, second nature. you end up with 2 wraps around the eye. I've always doubled the line, and passed it thru the eye,to start the knot, but with my eyesight going a little south, I will be passing it thru twice this year to start the knot, never to old to learn, thanks for the vid!
FalconerPhoto the uni knot works pretty good too, especially with Fluoro and mono line
@FalconerPhoto , so get you, I like that knot as well, it's just that when you trust a knot, it's hard to do another.
you have no idea how helpful was for me keep up the good spirit... tnx
I agree, its making sure that initial double through the eyelet is straight and it's smooth sailing from there
Thank you sir! Been tying a Palomar knot for a long time and never knew what I was doing wrong.
Thanks for sharing! I love this knot for a few reasons. Your video couldn't of come to me at a better time 🎣
Finally, proper information. This is such a simple knot but nobody explains how to tie it properly. Thanks for the great information. 👍
Best one yet. Thanks
Thank You for the knowledge !
Great Video, Jason. I watched this video years ago and I haven't had a palomar knot break on me since. These tips are what is needed to fully understand how your knot could break. Follow this video and have the confidence that your palomar knot will not break due to an incorrect tie.
Thanks Mike! It's a great knot. Any knot will be susceptible to breakage if it digs into itself on crossed lines.
This was an excellent reminder! Thank you for the terrific video, well done!
Niiice, I was losing heavier lures. Literally leaving the house now to go fishing and you no doubt have saved me money! 😁 thumbs up from me.
Thanks for the hint! Have only used Pline floroclear so far but I knew I was doing something wrong! Happy New Year and God bless!
I use the Palomar knot a lot, and also San Diego Jam knot , especially when using Carolina rigs, I like them both. They are both strong Knots!
Thank You !
Love your videos.Appreciate it!
Thank you every other video was very confusing. You did it step by step very nicely.
Thanks for explanation and demo
clear vid and demo. great
Now this guy knows how to tie a knot the right way.
K8Nicole Yes! New considerable theory! octopus lives in trees
I have used this knot basically since my Dad taught it to me over 30yrs ago and I have never had an issue.
I haven't either
I was seeking the find out what makes my tie weak. I developed a technic on it but mine was completely different than that. I will try this and compare the results with my technic. Thanks for the tip, because nobody talks about the knot tricks which is VERY important. So many people changing their lines or try to find better lines because cannot tie properly. They choose thicker lines etc. Thanks again.
Good info man -- thanks for the vid
If tied correctly,,it will hold. It will hold a 11ft white sturgeon, or smolt nibbler. One of the key steps that all of the Palomar videos fail to miss,,is that you cannot allow the lines to cross on the underside of the hook eye where it finally tightens down. Those must not cross on that final draw up or they will let the line slip eventually and snap when setting a hook. The crossing will occur if you let the hook slip from your grasp while tying.
Awesome video! I completely, 100% agree with everything you said. Hopefully my palmar knots are good :p
Great info thanks!!!
THANK You.well done..cheers🍺
Subbed the moment you showed me what a half-hitch does to fluoro. :)
Beautiful succint explanation of why most knots fail.
I have been using a knot testing machine for over three decades.
here is what I learned and what you just explained.
Knots fail for four reasons:
1. Line crossing....Same as an overhand knot, reduces knot strength 50%...your 10lb is now 5 lb.
2. cinching too soon/carelessly.
usually creates a cross...same as above.
3. Failure to lubricate.
friction kills ALL monofilaments...braids too..
4. failure to cinch/tighten evenly..
Friction, slippage and crosses are what make knots fail, presuming no damage to the line.
well done!
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Thanks for the great breakout on knot fail reasons Sean. A great addition to the video content.
Thank you for the video
Great video thanks keep up the great work!
The Devil is in the details. Thanks. Great video.
Looks good thank you. Kia ora Jon
Berkley Braid is all I tie on flouro. Shaw Grigsby has a great tutorial video on that.
Pal-o-mar, like the mountain on San Diego Co. meaning 'a roost for pidgeons'. My favorite knot also.
Thanks bro for ur tip
Great Video!
I like the last tip good to know. Thanks
Thank you it helps
Nice Video... Thank you!
Very informative
Great info, especially showing what happens when you tie it wrong and cross your wraps.
Ty
Nice. I think pulling the loop over is a good idea!
heard others say the same about fc and palomar being a bad combination. I also have not had a problem with it. I usually use a slightly heavier fc leader directly tied to a thinner copolymer mainline. that line to line connection is where it usually breaks for me.
bad ass info. good job bro.
Thanks!
I guess at the end of the day there are lots of good knots for a barrage of applications. I prefer the uni knot for attaching most baits to flouro or mono. I use a Palomar for attaching directly to braid. Just my way of doing it. Seems to work ok. Thanks for the tip.
Super presentation 😃
Best all around knot. Fast strong and easy.
artichoke890 We agree! We also use a Uni knot a lot.
Wired2Fish Wat about the San Diego jam knot? I've used it alot and it works great. Palomar on certain things and Sdjk on others for me.
The Fish-N-Fool knot has been proven to be the best all around knot and it's easy to tie.
thanks
I just pulled a 5lbs bass from a lake on the same line and same knot,no problems,as he said,floro does not like abrasions,i find that most of my breaks are fighting fish running line into objects under water during fight causing breaks and loss of fish with floro.
Floro is a great line for lures needing to go deep,the draw back,cant rub against nothing for it will break.
Best part about this is this is exactly how I've always tied my palomar knots because I use alot of Spooks so I need alot of excess in my loop and this was the only way to keep that long loop from slipping to the under side of the eye of the hook.
That's actually the Revo STX Gen 3 on a Villain 7'6" Flippin stick.
I didn't think good knots were important until I started fishing for bass. They are freakishly strong.
Make sure your drag is set right too, that’s very important to not having them break you off.
Good info. I am a slack line hook setter and i was breaking off on the hook set. At the bait. So I was actually wondering if the flouro was bad?? Then I changed knots and did not break off any more. I like the concept of double line thru the eyelet adds more strength. i am gong to go back to the palomar knot and test your idea. Hoping you are correct. Gotta see for myself.
I have issues with tying a fluro leader to braid.... I use 15lb fluro and 50lb braid and if I don't get that knot perfect it will cut into itself after awhile, or just worry me to death causing a me to re-tie after a few fish... Usually will take me 3 or 4 times to tie until I am 100% over confident in the knot where both lines come together perfect and its just damn near impossible to break/cut/slip.... Its amazing how strong fluro to braid is when its done correctly
Our take is you need to be careful with every knot. You cross your wraps on a uni knot it will cut. You cross your wraps on a san diego jam knot, it will cut. You've got to tie the knots right regardless of which one you choose, for them to work well with fluoro.
kool thanx
Does it matter whether you do the overhand knot around the front in through the back or around the back in through the front?
Also does it matter whether you put the hook/swivel in through the front or back of the loop towards the end of the knot?
this explains why over my 32 years of life when this damn knot seemed to have failed at carp fishing. Big heavy fish pulling a weak spot in the knot... oh man it hurts.
My knot never breaks. I use only this knot for my saltwater leaders. But all my line is 50lb to 130lb braid depending on which reel I am using. If your having break offs with braid try using a heavy top shot.
I have been fishing Spider Wire braid, after I had tried several other braids on baitcasters and never tried anything else since. I even took the mono off of my little ultra light open face spinning reels and put braid on them. Only thing I have to worry about is being careful of not breaking the rods.
Usually have 6 rods on the deck and even after several years and the green braid turns almost white , I have never had a break off. Have no idea how much money I have saved. Use to change out my mono line at least 3 times a year.
I don't remember what year I started using Spider year, but started Bass fishing shortly after coming home from Nam.
What some other said, was true about fluorocarbon line back then was stiff like fine wire.
Old man still fighting Agent Orange
that's when i tried it too and i prefer it over many of the modern braids. I still have 2 unopened boxes of the spiderwire Original from around 20 years ago. the black and red box. If i remember right, the average cost for bulk spooling in typical freshwater reel pound test was $.25-.45/yard which was a lot considering trilene and stren were under $3/spool back then.
When you break it down it is a really very cost effective and you don't loose as many lures either. When I was fishing Slider Worms in the hot summer , I lost very few fish on my ultra lite or lures, because I could just straighten the hook. I could also feel about any pick up.
I carried a old drum stick to wrap the line around, to pull with.
You were right about the black and red box. Still have several, suppose they are collectables now ? :-) vic
@ littlegoobie,Just 1 bad thing about old line especially 20 year old line. It can/will weaken/lose strength over time.
@ victor castle,Thanks for your service sir.
i grew up using the trylene knot but just recently learned how to tie a palomar knot and although the trylene knot is second nature to me now from using it so much my whole life i gotta say palomar knot would be much easier for first timmers to learn and it works better with braided line too
Thanks for the video, i kept losing fish because my loop would bind on the bottom of the eye.
Its pal o mar. Not polymer. But theyre a great knot.
dmkappa62 just like its not a Croppie..... it’s a Crappie.
It’s not a Crawfish.... it’s a Crayfish.
I understand it’s fishing and not English Class, but c’mon !
Depends on what part of the country you're from
Who's they?lol
Nice video!Thank you!Anyway I use the uni knot and I am afraid to change.Please give me a honest advice.Is the palomar knot better on fluorocarbon than the uni knot????thank you!!
great tie, bead would help though right?
he's right!....line breaks most of the time because of 2 things only....the line has abrasions and people have the drag set too tight and pull against the fish when they should be going with him...I've been fishing with a man for yrs that uses a simple improved clinch knot and he never breaks off.
Lots of pros still only use the Improved Clinch. Never had a problem so they never changed. We like that same philosophy. Find a knot that works for you and stick with it. Personally I tie a Uni 99% of the time. - Jason
Wired2Fish Roger that....I use a double improved clinch and check my line consistently.....the biggest problem I've always had is setting the hook to quickly when I'm catching fish I've found stacked up....I GET EXCITED COME IN!...🐋
17 pound so it would show up really well in the video.
THE CLINCH KNOT IS MY GO-TO, 5 NEVER HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT BREAKING. JUST SAYIN'.
*On fluorocarbon and mono
Ouch. You can find videos that the clinch knot is at best only 60% as strong as your line rating. Palomar on the other hand tied right is 100%. I would highly recommend changing your knot.
The only issue with the clinch knot is if you dont wrap it enough itll slip
The only knot I use. besides flies and small hooks
I'm new to using florocarbon leader material. would the Palomar be good for 50lb florocarbon leader?
i was asking what they were, and giving what i thought they were lol im abu for life, i would love that combo
@MdBassin747 yes lol y not? Amazing combo right there!
I've been thinking of trying the palomar knot, so I've been testing it against all the other knots everyone says is better for flouro. I've tied the palomar, using 6lb line, exactly the way you showed in this video and it has beaten every single one of the "better" knots. A lot of the other knots broke very easily, so I can't understand why everyone thinks they are so good. Maybe they aren't tying the palomar correctly, but some of the guys making these videos are pros.
Qoul Wan Have you tried the San Diego jam knot? it works great for me when I'm not using a palomar
Yes, I've tried it thanks, it's a good knot. Every now and then I'll give something different a try. At the moment I'm using a uni knot, which I know some people will say is not so strong. But it's quick and easy and I'm tying swivel clips to 20lb leaders with it, so it's strong enough.
If you are looking for a braid to leader knot, I can highly recommend the FG knot, if tied correctly, it's excellent.
Qoul Wan Rite on, yea the fg knot is the best leader knot, I like the uni to uni also it works well but the fg is more low profile and goes thru the guides well, it took me like 5 trys when I first watched how to tie it but it is a great knot, like a Chinese finger trap
It's awesome, what species do you fish for?
Qoul Wan large mouth bass but I enjoy catching any kind of fish, I'm a bass angler at heart tho
my palmor knot breake yesterday. spindelreel locked my throw. boom all gone. .
uni knot have never failed me 5-8 turns on nylon 9-11 on bread line. best knot ever. even pulled 130 pounds to it break knot is still there and one feet line.
i loop the the lure snell... two turns before i do the uni knot. reallly hard.
I agree with you how necessary it is to Not cross the line That’s why I think it’s easier just to use the San Diego Jam Knot And it’s Stronger!
Nice video sir. Thanks for sharing.
Appreciate it Ron.
@@Wired2Fish,Morning sir. Yvmw.
@@Wired2Fish Afternoon sir. Just wondering how many total separate comments did you get/see 4 days ago from me?
This so much, use a palomar most of the time and never have an issue. Paying attention to the knot as you tie it will make it a versatile and strong knot.
That was my problem I was pulling the mailine tight before pulling on the tag end.
I use it with monofilament line stren works just fine
You were doing so good then you left out the most important step...checking your finished knot. You have to look at the knot really good to make sure the two lines going through the eye are side by side and not crossed. For beginners checking the finished knot will tell them if they tied it right or need to retie. I've been tying this knot for well over 40 years and sometimes i get it wrong. Checking the knot is the only way to make sure you did it right.
Offtrail Bound 30 miles out
He did say not to cross your line...didn't he?
Offtrail Bound
He literally said it 3 times.
1:35, 3:42 & 5:58
This guy is trying to help people. The least you could do is pay attention.
I agree he could have said final step make sure your 2 lines under the hook eye are not crossing each other if they are retie you did something wrong i totally get it.
I only use palomar knots with braid. Sometimes I use a double palomar if not being lazy and both don't break on me. I never use them with other lines unless it's with on a drop shot.
can you tell me why they don't put put silicon on fluro verses mono..??
I had problems with braid breaking at the knot. I've been bass & catfishing 35 yrs and am a religious re-tie guy, and have not ever been broken off by a bass on mono or fluoro. Not any fish that didn't wind me around an abrasive object.
The ONLY fish I've ever had break me off in open water was on braid that had double the rated poundage as my mono & fluoro.
I've tried three different knots with all the same result.
Thanks. Been doing it all wrong.
-Newbie fisherman...
palomer knot with braid cinch knot with mono. I've never had a palomer break.
Always tied that way. But I use Copoly and Braid
The video in your wired2fish article on the palomar knot which uses the orange rope as an example. Puts the loop BELOW the knot. Then further down the article u show the loop ABOVE the knot like it is in this video... which is the correct way ?
Thoughts on double polomar knot.. looping it twice makes it stronger or weaker?
Weaker as least with mono and fluorocarbon.
You say to pull up the loop and sinsh it on top and other videos say to finsh that loop at the bottom without it getting caught on the hooks metal loop eye end.
Exactly, where most people fail is on the 1st step, they kink the line then push the kink through the eye. I seen a lot of people do that, it hurts their knots but 99% will never know because they never put their line through a vigorous test, I never say anything because fishing is supposed to be fun, and telling people they are tying their knots wrong even though they've (tied it that way for 39 years and never had a knot fail) will bum out a fishing trip.
after you do the overhand know and bring the loop around the hook, did you put the tag back through the loop? i can't make it out in the video...
Yes. You want to keep the lines parallel the whole time through cinching the knot down tight.