Some key differences between Paul and the Gospel writers
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- I cite 'Jesus Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them)' by Dr Bart D. Ehrman www.amazon.co.uk/Jesus-Interr...
I must say I'm hooked on your channel. You seem to to be hitting the nail in the head every time, very refreshing very interesting topics and great content. Bite size educational programmes. Keep it up Paul and thanks.
Thanks!
I hope that one day all the work from BT will be translated to all languages. The world needs to hear these things.
Great presentation.
Thanks a lot for always sharing books with us
This is a very important video! How come I missed watching it?!
This is interesting brother. Thank you. May Allah reward you well. A fun from Morocco.
Very good lecture
Spot on as always.
Amazing truthful video!
And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son."
You have done an atrocious thing.
The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation
That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.
And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.
There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant.
He has enumerated them and counted them a [full] counting.
And all of them are coming to Him on the Day of Resurrection alone.
Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - the Most Merciful will appoint for them affection.
Quran chapter Maryam (Mary) verses 88-96
the teachings of the gospels contradict those of the churches, especially on the trinity, the bible with its old testament which is a mixture of accounts of Babylonian and Egyptian mythology, or, we do not draw any lessons, the newl testament as for him very influenced by the Greco-Roman philosophy, like the half-god half-human etc ...
four authors contradict each other all the time and their versions are incompatible and impossible to reconcile it is an indefensible book
Basically you are unearthing the core teachings of Islam.
42.13 Qur'an says that all the Prophets were given the same common faith to hold on to.
Which faith/religion do you follow or believe in, if you are following a faith/religion that is?
Great video as always by the way!
the religion of Abraham.
@@BloggingTheology was not Abraham a Muslim ,what is the difference between the Abrahamic religion and that of Islam
@@samiadaabees5705 in Islamic historiography, Abrahamic monotheism predated the advent of Islam (or the Message). Ostensibly, the Prophet Muhammad had based his teachings and message on the Abrahamic monotheistic traditions during the Meccan period.
@@BloggingTheology Abrahamic religion is Islam Mr. Paul you are a Muslim now.
@@maryamyahyagaya611Wrong… islam legitimises slavery …Jesus Christ is The Son of The Father Gods Name is I AM THAT I AM and that will be His name, as He Told Moses, FOREVER…. There was no islam until the 600s and you can’t prove otherwise…
Good evening prof. Only a question... I kwon that there are passages in the Bible that talk about human sacrifice wanted by Yahweh himself... May you tell something about it? Thank you
There is no human sacrifice wanted by God in the Torah
It is not like Jesus committed suicide. He was claimed to have been murdered. So it is like saying, God says, "You have all been sinning. However, I will forgive all your sins, if you commit the ultimate sin of Murdering my son. Does that make sense to anyone?
1 Cor 9 "To those without the law I became like one without the law, to win those without the law.. I have become all things to all people .." This was St. Paul describing himself so why should St. Paul's words be taken seriously at all?
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Brother do something about audio,it is not audible
Paul is a gem. Fair balanced courteous a listener and a questioner.
These are top qualities.
He answers he is a follower of the religion of Abraham. Nailed it.
Abraham is the Patriarch of the 3 religions of his 3 grandsons
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Paul the killer of Christian’s becomes the loud mouth piece made up stuff
here are some of Paul's attributes after "conversion"
1) A liar (Romans 3:7)
2) A thief (2 Corinthians 11:8)
3) Boaster (2 Corinthians 11:5,16)
4) Unforgiving (Acts 15:38-39)
5) Chameleon (1 Corinthians 9:22)
6) Hypocrite (Acts 16:3, Gal 5:2)
7) Posessed(2CORINTHIANS 12:7)
8) Vengeful (1 Corinthians 5:5)
9) Confused / Bipolar (2 Cor 7:8)
10) Misogynistic (1 Timothy 2:11)
11) Chief of Sinners (1 Tim 1:15)
12) Deceitful(2 Corinthians 12:16)
13) Foolish (2Cor 12:11,2Cor11:1)
14) Practices evil (Romans 7:19)
15) Better than Christ (Col 1:24)
16) Bully (Philemon 1:19)
17) Boring (Acts 20:9)
18) Procrastinator (Gal 2:1)
19) Curses Others (1 Cor 16:22)
20) Punisher (2 Cor 10:6)
21) Hate the less fortunate (2 Thes 3:10)
22) People pleaser (1 Cor 10:33)
23) Blasphemer (1 Timothy 1:13)
From bangladesh,
Love and respect for u.
Did u hear about javed ahmed ghamidi? U should see his vidio and his thoughts about jesus and what happened to him.
Also James and Paul differ greatly in their teachings.
There were two commercials for “One for Israel dot org” during this video. That is more or less a “Jews for Jesus” type of message by desperate Christians. Both Jews and Muslims staunchly reject that kind of message. I’m not sure if there is any way you can control the type of ads placed within your video, but they are a bit annoying. Perhaps one for Israel should read some of Bart Erhman books.
Have you looked at Mid Acts Dispensationalism?
I think one damning criticism of the idea of Jesus(AS) dying on the cross is that in the Old Testament, the penalty of being "hung (or stuck) unto a tree" is said to be a sign of "being accursed by God" (Deuteronomy 21:23). Now, why would God give as a sign to the jews a death that according to revelation from prophet Moses(AS) shows that the criminal has been abandoned by God? Sure, the messiah would suffer, but not to the point of dying a humiliating death.
Nothing new here
But very well and succinctly put. I suppose you might say to evangelicals: get out of that"
Of course they will
As paul goes on to give whole lists of hood conduct so that his teaching may be better summarised as " faith that works" who knows
Have you read James Tabor ''Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed Christianity ''?
Yep.
With regard to what you read of what Jesus says about Mosaic law 10 minutes in, I suppose a Christians could point out the 'until all is accomplished' part and then point to the fact Jesus is reputed to have said on the cross 'it is accomplished'. To be fair, the Gospel of Matthew in question doesn't claim Jesus says this and this counter argument is more a thing of Christian hermeneutics.
I do think Muslim apologists are a bit too harsh on Paul. Paul was writing earlier and does not seem to think Jesus was a literal son of God as Matthew and Luke do, to say nothing of John portraying him as even more than that.
Harsh on Paul?
But how do you Paul could be v trusted?
He wasn't trusted by some of the apostles.
He turns the teachings of Jesus upside down based on his supposed conversion.
And the only proof is what he says.
It is the ultimate circular argument.
he literally says "until the heavens and earth pass away" before that so that argument is completely invalid and also screw Paul.
No read the verse it says till the world ends
Paul why don't you interview Dr.Thomas McElwein?
Salam.
So both Matthew and Paul gives different idea for salvation, one insisted the followers to keep the commandments as well and other one just throws the idea of God's commandments to bin. That's a messed up thing within the gospel.
Do you have any opinion why would they do that, brother Paul?
Not sure.
@@BloggingTheology okay I get it. But anyways thanks as usual for sharing this ❤️
Please read 2 Peter 3:15-16 . Now understand what justify means ! This happen if you break the laws of the Father ; this recovery you from sin ( 1 John 3:4 ) . There are two types of laws for justification or atonement of sin . 1. law of animal sacrifice and oblations through works , and 2. Law of faith ; blood of Jesus Christ through faith . The first was for the flesh/body , and the second is for the heart/spirit . The first is not of faith ; which could not redemm you from the sins of the heart/spirit ; which God requires , but kept God from killing your flesh/body , hoping that you would rethink yourself and repent by faith before you die , or you die in your sins . The second is of faith ; which means that you must repent of your sins , like king David did ( Psalm 32 & 51 ) , and believe your mediator Jesus Christ commandments ; which he received from the Father ( Deuteronomy 18:15-19 ) . The laws , commandments, instructions of the Fathers ; which includes all covenants , is what put you in sin , if you do not keep them , but to recovery you , or atone you from sin requires a sin sacrifice , under a priesthood ( Leviticus , the priesthood of works , and Melchisedec , the priesthood of faith ) . Please read Paul's writing again , and when you see words like circumcision , understand that there are three types of circumcisions : 1. Circumcision of the foreskin , the everlasting covenant through Abraham , 2. Circumcision of the flesh for SIN , the law of animal sacrifice through the mediator Moses , and 3. Circumcision of the heart for SIN , the blood of the mediator Jesus Christ through faith . When you see word like flesh , works , faith , law , etc... ; we must put them in the proper context of the discussion or writings of the apostles , especially Paul . Works in Ephesians 2:9 is for atonement ; which would be the law of animal sacrifice ; while works in Ephesians 2:10 . 2 Timothy 3:17 , are the laws/commandments/instructions of the Father ; which get's you eternal life ( Matthew 19:16-17 ) . In Paul's writings , flesh , many time means the law of animal sacrifice ; which cleans the body ; if he is using spirit as the counter to flesh ( Romans 8 ) ; Romans 6:14 ,the law is the law of animal sacrifice or blood of the animals , and the grace is the blood of Jesus Christ . How do we have faith ( Romans 10:17 ) . Acts 15 :1 , circumcision as the manner of Moses to be saved , this is a sin atonement sacrifice ; which through Moses was the law of animal sacrifice . There are many other examples I can show you ( Romans 3:19-20 , Galatians 3:10-14 ( Remember Abraham was never under the law of animal sacrifice for the atonement of sin ) , etc... ) . Hope this help ? Shalom !
@@messengerisrael3817 Brother why you people making simple things complex? You call yourself "Christians" not "Paulians", so stick on what Jesus said about salvation, let aside any other person... Aren't Jesus' words enough for you to believe? Why need to follow Pauls' ideology? Who infact never knew or saw Jesus? All of a sudden Paul says I am inspired by the Holy Spirit and teaches all opposite to what Jesus said, and this is what you believe? Turn back to Jesus Christ atleast. Or stop calling yourself a Christian. Salam.
@@hamzashaikh571 Brother ,because you lack understanding , I would suggest that you read again what Peter said about some of Paul's writings and other scriptures in 2 Peter 3:15-16 . Why would Peter say what he did , about understanding the wisdom in Paul's writings ; which the unlearned and unstable wrest to their own destruction . You read the words of the Apostles and Jesus Christ and decide what is true or false ? I might direct you to Isaiah 55:7-9 ; Please read it . Shalom !
I thought 💭 they were all the same.
Did jesus at any time say that he will die on the to free people of sins
nope
NO Prophet Jesus(peace be up him) was send to tell us that exist gest one God to Ho we need to pray....sorry if I don't text well in english....I am roumanian speaker
@@aliaanca8497 you did fine
@@evcanada1451thenk you thenk is fine,with my arabic is more bed situation for me...I do my best...Allah hafiz brother
@@aliaanca8497 Ameen brother
This is the why Allah says in Quran:
(4:82) "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur’an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction."
And in another translation:
(4:82) "Will they not then contemplate the Qur’an? And if it had been from (any where) other than the Providence of Allah, indeed they would have found in it many difference (s)."
Where does the Quaran talk about the 10 commandments?
was God twinity before jesus came? would jesus ask someone to kill him if nobody kill him? or would he commit suicide if none kill him? why no prophets before jesus born tell us bout trinity or jesus name as God if he was the true God? what happened to people who lived before jesus came, they never know jesus. why christian don’t just say God is the Father, why do they only mention the son?
Why does this guy keep saying that Paul said keeping the Law won’t justify a person?
Romans 2:13
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
Excuse me are you Mr. Paul Williams
I believe so.
The canonical gospels are too historically late to be trusted by Muslim apologists, but they all agree on the inerrancy of the Gospel according to Bart Ehrman.
Their anonymity, contradictions between each other, blatantly fictitious narratives ( birth narrative, trial etc) are why we don't trust the gospels. Especiallg seeing that a desciple of jesus copied 90% of a gospel from a man whos only connection to Peter is a later tradition. Also, bart ehrman is a world renowned textual critic. Hes not a gospel writer. It amazes me how xians go to such extremes to create forced connections and false equivilencies
lol witty
@@omaralyafai2368
You're right, Bart Ehrman et al. would agree with you that the Qur'an is a much more reliable source of historical information on the life of Jesus than the New Testament.
Except that he doesn't, and neither does any secular scholar. :D
@@ConsideringPhlebas secular scholar scholars agree that the gospels are nothing more than stories made by early xians who are not eyewitnesses might I add. Bart ehrman believes what we have of the gospels are the best info about jeuss but he and many dont even believe its accurate. If the alleged primary sources are nothing more than fancy stories which have only kernels of truth to them.
Theres nothing you can really do in terms of authenticity. Ehrman does believe that if the xians wanted to preserve their book like the jews and Muslim they could've but. They didnt. He states the quranic manuscripts are basically the same and is preserved by the early Muslims.
So if thats ypur "primary sources" if have to humble say that this isnt much to rely upon. Again, when you have deliberate forgeries such as 1&2 peter and jude which are more polemical created by early xians i cant see how one can trust the nt
@@omaralyafai2368
" scholars agree that the gospels are nothing more than stories made by early xians"
Even skeptical scholars still believe in the historicity of key events in the gospels, like Jesus' crucifixion and his baptism by John. On the other hand, they believe the Qur'anic stories about Jesus, like him talking as a new-born and making living birds from clay, are fictional, historically-later stories by Gnostics/heterodox Christians.
"who are not eyewitnesses"
You do know the Qur'an wasn't written by eye witnesses to Jesus' life right? And before you reply with that tired retort, 'The Qur'an was written by God, tho', secular scholars do not believe this claim or think it lends any credence to a textual account. E.g., 1 Thessalonians was written about 20 years after Jesus's death, claims to be the word of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit and also claims that Jesus died and was resurrected. But does that make you or scholarship believe it?
"deliberate forgeries"
You understand that secular scholarship would regard Qur'anic attributions to people like Jesus, Moses, etc. as equally forged, right?
The problem with you, and many others, is that you regurgitate secular scholarship's criticisms of the New Testament without realizing that the assumptions of those scholars are completely different from yours and that they're just as undermining of Islam as Christianity.
Sadly because of the Christians ignorance of what Jesus's teachings and what he told them about how they have to keep God's commandments they deviated from worshipping the One and Only God. Actually they wronged themselves and others with them committing all kinds of atrocities against Jews,Muslims and early Christians...people that really believed in God
Christ was not a sin sacrifice. He is the Passover lamb which was never a sin sacrifice. The necessity of His death is because of the divorce of the House of Israel which was the upper 10 tribes.
Men have No right to Tamper with Gods word. Read the Last page of Revelations Jesus Last entry. Tampering you loose your place in Heaven
Whole bibles are forged books by anonymous Greek and Roman pagan. They don’t claim to be word of God and are not qualified to be word of God . They have been tampered for centuries to satisfy Greek and Roman agenda of creating hybrid pagan religion Christianity
Christ said if you teach others to not keep the Law you will be called least.
The name Paul means least.
The problem with the crucifixion being necessary for salvation, is that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob could not be saved, because they didn't believe in the crucifixion.
The crucifixion was not necessary for a person to come to God until Yahweh divorced the upper 10 tribes also known as the House of Israel. The Law says a man can’t take a wife back after he divorces her as long as he lives. After the divorce they became known as the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Christ said He came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. They were divorced and could not come back. When He died it broke that curse so He could take them back. Unlike us who stay dead He rose from the dead to reunite with those who had been divorced.
Abraham Isaac and Jacob didn’t need the cross. People throughout the Old Testament just repented and came back. Those who were divorced could not come back regardless, until His death on the cross.
So the Jews helped the Christians by making sure Jesus was crucified for their sins ?
Blogging Theology , have you question why Peter said that some of the writings of Paul , are hard to be understood in 2 Peter 3:15-16 ? In Romans and Galatians , Paul is talking about two types of laws ; the laws of atonement through the two mediators ( Moses and Jesus Christ ) ; which are the 1. Law of animal sacrifice and oblations through works , under the priesthood of Leviticus , and 2. The law of faith ; blood of Jesus Christ through faith , under the priesthood of Melchisedec . To be justified , means to be atoned from sin ; the laws of God ( commandments , laws , instructions ; which inludes all covenants ) , is what put you in sin if you do not keep them ; but to recovery you , or redeem you requires a sin sacrifice of atonement . There are many words used in the bible , that may have a different meaning , that you think ( flesh, circumcision , works , faith, believe ) . The apostle Paul was a follower of Jesus Christ , and he obeyed the laws of the Father ; which Jesus came to give you ( Deuteronomy 18:15-19 ) . Please take time and read this : Just because people put scriptures as what we call the old testament , and gospel as the new testament ; they are the same ; the words of The Most High God , the Father ( Hebrews 1:1-3 ; Hebrews 4:1-2 ) . People error because they are not equipped with the one thing that God say we must have , FAITH . People think that when Jesus came through the flesh ; died and was resurrected ; appeared before the Father for our sin s ; that the forgiveness for sin started at that point ; but they are 100 % wrong . Question , Did Abraham , Isaac , Jacob , David , etc ....... live and die before Jesus Christ came in the flesh ? If the answer is yes , how were they justified from sin ? These men wll be in the kingdom of God . The apostle Paul stated in Romans 3:23 , " For all have sinned , and come short of the glory of God " ; So how can anyone before Jesus resurrection and appearing before the Father for our sins be justified ? In Romans 6:23 , " For the wages of sin is death ; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord " . Jesus is the atonement for our sins , but most people do not realize , that this represents TWO TYPE OF SINS ; the sin of the first death that Adam put ALL of us under , the grave ; which is the free gift , nothing is required , even if you do not believe in Jesus . By sinning against the laws of God , Adam condemned the entire creation back to the dust of the ground ; for all have sinned and come shot of the glory of God . By living a righteous life , unblemlish without sin , Jesus was not worthy to die as we are ; so he died not for himself , but for ALL who have transgressed the laws of the Father ; which is given to ALL who have ever lived ; that how he defeated death , by overcoming sin . By defeating sin ; which brings on death , now ALL will be resurrected from their first tabernacle ( body ) , and live forever in their second tabernacle ( body ) ; but can we dwell with the Father , if we die in our first tabernacle in sin ? 1 John 1:5-7 , " This then is the message which we have heard of him , and declare unto you , that God is light , and in him is no darkness at all . If we say that we have fellowship with him , and walk in darkness , we lie , and do not the truth : But if we walk in the light , we have fellowship one with another , and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from ALL SINS " . The free gift redeems you from the sins of the first death , the grave , but to dwell with the Father in his kingdom , something else is required . This is what Jesus Christ said , as he started his ministry in Mark 1:14-15 , " Now after that John was put in prison , Jesus came preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God , And saying , The time is fulfilled , and the kingdom of God is at hand :REPENT YE , AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL " . The God of Israel has always required that you repent of your sins with a sorrowful heart ( like king David did in Psalm 32 & 51 ) ; and believe by obedience ; which means to start keeping his laws/commandments/instructions ; which includes all covenants ; that's how you have faith with him , by obedience . The gospel that Jesus taught are the same words that Moses & the prophets gave in the scriptures ( Hebrews 1:1-3 ) ; which are the words of the Father . Remember what Moses said to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 18:15-19 , " The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee , of thy brethren , like unto me ; unto him ye shall hearken ; ACCORDING TO ALL THAT THOU DESIREDST OF THE LORD THY GOD IN HOREB IN THE DAY OF THE ASSEMBLY , SAYING , LET ME NOT HEAR AGAIN THE VOICE OF THE LORD MY GOD , NEITHER LET ME SEE THIS GREAT FIRE ANYMORE , THAT I DIE NOT . And the LORD said unto me , They have well spoken thatwhich they have spoken . I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN , LIKE UNTO THEE , AND WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH ; AND HE SHALL SPEAK UNTO THEM ALL THAT I SHALL COMMAND HIM . AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS , THAT WHOSOEVER WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME , I WILL REQUIRE IT OF HIM " . Question , What did the children of Israel desire at Horeb or Mount Sinai ? Answer , the ten commandments that the God of Israel spoke to them ; and all of the other statutes and judgemets ; which includes the covenants , that they were afraid to hear from God , but would hear through Moses . Jesus Christ himself said that he came not to do his own will , but the will of the one who sent him . In John 12:44-50 , Jesus said that if you do not believe the words that he speak unto you , the same words will judge you on the last day ; which is the white throne judgement ; because he speak the words of the Father . The second sin that the blood of Jesus cleaneth you from requires repentance and faith ; which means to believe by obedience ; this redeems you from the second death ; which is the lake of fire . By redeeming you fromthe first death of the grave with the free gift , now your tabernacle , or body from heaven ( 1 Corinthians 15:35-38,42-51 ) is in danger of the lake of fire ; because you cannot dwell with the Father in darkness ( sin ) . Before the children of Israel were given the law of animal sacrifice for the first tabernacle or body , the God of Israel required all men to live by faith ( repenting of their sins with a sorrowful heart ( mind ) and start walking in the light ) ; Why does Proverbs24:16 say this : Proverbs 24:16 , " For a just man falleth seven times , and riseth up again : but the wicked shall fall into mischief " ? Answer , if a just man falleth seven times , then he is redeemed seven times by repenting and believing like king David ; remember this was long before Jesus came in the flesh . For the atonement of sin , it requires a sacrifice ; a sacrifice through a priesthood . What priesthood was around at the time of Abraham ? Answer , The priesthood of Melchisedec . How was Melchisedec identified in Hebrews 7 ? ( King of Righteousness , King of Salem , King of peace , without father , without mother , without descent , having neither beginning of days , nor end of life ; but made like unto the Son of God ; abideth a priest continually ) . Now , who does this look like ? ( Micah 5:1-2 , Luke 1:26-33 , Romans 10:4 , Romans 1:1-4 ) . Remember the Word created the heavens and the earth , and all things that is ; and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us . What did Jesus say in John 5:37 ? ( John 5:37 , " And the Father himself , which hath sent me , hath borne witness of me . Ye have neither heard his voice at any time , nor seen his shape " ) ; which means that the one most call Yahweh , or Jehovah , or I AM , or God Almighty , or The God of Abraham , Isaac , and Jacob , and Melchisedec ; is none other then the one who came in the Father's name in John 5:43 . The one we call Jesus Christ created us , and has been interceding for us as high priest from the beginning of the creation ( Melchisedec at the time of Abraham ) , until it is completed ( Jesus Christ now ) ; which is the white throne judgement . The apostle Paul explains this ( Romans 5:13-14 , " For until the law sin was in the world : but sin is not imputed when there is no law . Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses , even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression , who is the figure of him that was to come " ) . What is sin ? Answer , the transgression of the law of God ( 1 John3:4 ) . Paul stated that until the law ( what law ? ) , sin ; which is the transgression of the law of God was in the world , but sin ; which is the transgression of the law of God is not imputed ( represents something undersirable as been done , caused , or possesed by someone ) when there is no law . This law is not the commandments/instructions of God ; which includes all the covenants , but a sin sacrifice law that came at the time of Moses ; the law of animal sacrifice of works ; which was not of faith ( Romans 3:27-28 ) . Once you fell under this law , which was written in the book of the law of the priesthood , under the mediator Moses ( Leviticus ) ; it had to be carried out , just as it is written ; no grace or mercy . When the children of Israel went into a covenant with the Father in the wilderness , all their sins were forgiven ; the only thing that they waited on was the promise to redeem ALL MEN from the sins of the first death , the grave . When the children of Israel begin to break the laws of the Father and not repent by faith ; he gave to them , through their mediator Moses , the law of animal sacrifice for the body , of the earthly tabernacle ; to keep from killing their flesh , hoping that their would rethink themselves and repent by faith , before they die ; or they would die in their sins . Shalom !
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@@IsraeliteDefense
So , by you saying it's a forgery makes it true ?
Thanks !
Were you there when this happen ?
Please give me name/s , place/s , time/s , when this happen ; not word of mouth or writings by someone else , but your own account ?
When you can do this , then I will listen to you .
Awaiting your facts .
Shalom !
@@messengerisrael3817 the forgeries from the bible are taught and even written by christian scholars too. Bart Ehrman happened to become well known for his academic books on bible sources but many bible experts have acknowledged that the bible is not 100% as the verbatim words in Aramaic as spoken by Prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him). In fact if you read books written by academics especially christian academics - they will point out the errors, mistranslations, forgeries and unknown author and the lack of presrrvation and chronology. If however you choose to belief thst the bible you read is 100% exactly as what Jesus ( pbuh) spoke to his disciples - thats up to you. You wont be able to convince other people who actually read books about how the bible was compiled since too many honest( thanks to God) academics are digging into the research field themselves. Btw even in bible science - the academic world does have standards so academics cant go around making stuff up about the history of the bible & christology because their peers would not accept it. Just fyi.
@@lilyrosesoul0077
You say much , but not facts . Bart Ehrman is identified as a 66 year old American New Testament scholar ; so does that give him the authority to say what the God of Israel is saying ?
You read my post , or I believed you did ; but you can only talk about some scholar .
I am not trying to convince other people of what I am saying ; these are not my words , I am only the messenger .
John 17:13-20 , " 13.And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Shalom !
So your quoting a guy who lost his faith, left his faith, and I'm supposed to trust that, There is a different spirit working there.
Yes there are differences, But ask yourselves this, why didn't Jesus condemn the woman at the well, for her adulteries, he still helped her,
The woman caught in adultery, almost stoned, why didn't he condemn her? Why did he tell the theif on the cross, tough luck pal?
He was showing his grace then, his patience for people to get it, and change.
That story is a fabrication
And you distrust him just because b he left Christianity?
That is fallacious reason. The genetic fallacy.
The story about the prostitute is lovely but it is a forgery and shouldn't be in the Bible.
Bart Ehrman states that the crucifixion of Jesus on the orders of Pontius Pilate is the most certain element about him. John Dominic Crossan states that the crucifixion of Jesus is as certain as any historical fact can be.
Quran is the only book that denies the crucifixion as a historical fact.
Gospel of Basilides, Ignatius affirming that there were indeed Christians that believed Jesus didn’t die in the 1st and 2nd century, Hebrews 5:7 in correspondence to Jesus’ prayers and requests on the cross, the fact that there were many people named Jesus who were alive at the time and put on trial like Jesus the messiah and other early Christian scholars affirming Jesus hasn’t died all go in line with Quran.
Of course Bart and historians would believe Jesus died as they’re atheists.
@@T-19- Ignatius (A.D. c. 50-115), bishop of Antioch, was a native of Syria and student of the apostle John is reported to have “been thrown to the wild beasts in the colosseum at Rome.” His epistles were written during his journey from Antioch to the place of his martyrdom. At that time he would have undoubtedly been sober of mind. He says of Jesus:
“He was crucified and died under Pontius Pilate. He really, and not merely in appearance, was crucified, and died, in the sight of beings in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth.
He rose again in three days…
On the day of the preparation , then, at the third hour, He recieved the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried…
He who was Himself the Judge was judged by the Jews, falsely so called, and by Pilate the governor; was scourged, was smitten on the cheek, was spit upon; He wore a crown of thorns and a purple robe; He was condemned: He was crucified in reality, and not in appearance, not in imagination, not in deceit. He really died, and was buried, and rose from the dead.*
Ignatius of Antioch was adamant that Christ had really died, and really risen from the dead. His testimony supports what what we read in the New Testament.
In my next post I’ll share testimony to the resurrection from an ancient Jewish historian…
[*Quote cited in Josh McDowell, The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict. Thomas Nelson Publishers, Nashville. p. 211-212]
Paul, it's me again. I am going to say something that you must forever think of in the future. I have seen supposedly sick people been healed by both the righteous and the unrighteous in the name of Jesus. I have never ever seen a demon that was driven out by ANY OTHER NAME but Jesus and definitely not by any other religion but in Christ. No other faith can do it and if you know of such a case please let me know. Never has it been done. I have seen some try and get beaten to pieces by these demons because as Jesus said. One kingdom cannot come against itself meaning His Father's kingdom and His were the same when He was accused of doing what He was doing with Satanic power. That is the oneness of God and Jesus. The Kingdom of God is the Kingdom that Jesus will one day rule the earth with. God will never leave His throne in His Heaven where He rules over His angels. Christ was a human when He was on earth. No one could be judged if it is not true.,
i have seen some people been healed in the name of Allah, they pray saying something in arabic, verses from Quran
(A)On that day (B)many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not (C)prophesy in your name, and cast out demons (D)in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 (E)And then will I declare to them, ‘I (F)never knew you; (G)depart from me, (H)you workers of lawlessness.’
@@rashguass8863 may I know where to find this verse in Bible?
Christ was just a man, appointed by God as messiah / prophet for Jews only . Jesus will reject anyone who worship him like God when Jesus himself worshipped his God .
Your delusional stories has no weight
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Dear Paul
God did not allowed Ibraham's son to be scrifyed
How He allowed His "son" to be scrifyed and for others ?
* Dosent fit at all *
You and Bart do not understand why what Jesus said and Paul said is different from each other. First of all Jesus was talking to Jews who received the Law and the Commandments, so Jesus preached the kingdom of God coming to a human, to himself, and the necessity to listen to his words and believe in that message which was supported with powerful healings etc. The Jews had the Law so they were supposed to keep it and this is what Jesus commanded. However, Paul had a different take since Jesus had been murdered and resurrected. God used this crime to reconcile mankind to himself so those Jews who rejected Jesus they had to repent from that rejection and accept him as the Messiah in order to receive the Spirit and be reconciled to the Father. So, the implementation of that gospel came after Jesus died and resurrected since this had to happen, so there is no conflict between Jesus and Paul, they both did their parts to complete the gospel message.
Please help me understand how his death and resurrection accomplished this. I am confused and do not have the spirit to help me understand.
Why did he have to die, and how did his suffering, death and resurrection lead to reconciliation.
I understand the New Testament says, "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins." and also he is the "lamb" of God.
But I don't understand even though I do think the New Testament is true. I don't understand why he had to suffer and die and rise, and I don't understand how that led to humanities reconciliation in Pauls mind, unless it's as simple as sin = death but the Messiah has the authority to just take the punishment and now we're okay. But is it more nuanced than that?
It's exhausting not knowing.
@@youngknowledgeseeker Well, lets see how can I answer all those questions. When Adam sinned, he contaminated his nature with desires that are not from God, and since everyone comes from that couple, they passed that corrupt nature to all of us, so we are born with a sinful nature. James explains how those desires lead us to break God's Laws. Jesus was the only human not born with that nature and never sinned, he received the Spirit of God at the baptism of John. The Jews persecuted and put him to death because he said he was the son of God, but God used his death as a means to rescue us from the power of Satan. The Law of God condemned us of sin and we could not do anything about it because of our sinful nature, Jesus died to realease us from the Law of Moses and transfer us to the Law of the Spirit of God which is Love. By believing in that death, we accept our guilt before God, and God can forgive us and consider us righteous, and send us his Spirit which will give us a new life and a new spirit in us. We are no longer under the Law of Moses or condenmed by it. God will start to work in us to transform us to have the character of Jesus and we will be resurrected immortal at his coming or be transformed if his appearing is in our lifetime. There are wonderful things promised to those who turn to Jesus in faith and respond to the gospel. I hope this helps.
@fcastellanos57 are you sure the Bible 100% teaches sin nature inherited from Adam, original sin so to speak. That Romans 5 really teaches that? Also how does God use Jesus death? And what's the point of the Hebrews author using Jesus as an example for us not to sin if he had no sin nature unlike us then? That's not an example for me for I am fundamentally different.
What strikes me as odd is that God would ever get mad at any human being after Adam if there was a sin nature. Sin wouldn't even be our fault then.
@@youngknowledgeseeker We can just look around and see how the world is. We are bent do do evil and that is coming from our nature, we inherited from our parents. Yes, it is not our fault however, it is our fault is knowing that we are doing evil, we continue in it and don't do anything about it. Jesus took care of our transgressions by his dearth, and He understands humanity and loves us, that is why He gave us his son to rescue us. He gives us a new Spirit which will change us from inside out and prepare us for the Kingdom of His Father which is coming to the world. Jesus was not tempted from within but from without, just like Adam was, but he never sinned, he was the sacrifitial lamb without blemish, and his suffering and death was credited to our account so that we may be consider righteous and able to receive the Spirit of the Father.
This guy keeps saying Matthew said but then quotes Christ. Matthew didn’t say keep the Law. Christ Himself commanded us to keep the Law.
The Romans didn't put people to death for no reason. The Romans didn't put people to death because of somebody else's sin. Unless you claim Jesus was framed for some kind of crime, there would have been no reason for the Romans to put him to death. The Romans had laws, they had rules. The Jews put him to death because they broke their laws of making himself God. Gospel of Timothy
But Jesus wasn't human so a human sacrifice of Jesus would not have paid for anyone sins. Jesus didn't have a Earthly father Mary was a virgin.
The gospel is the gospel of the kingdom!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah died for his people! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people at his coming! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Matt 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
I think it’s apparent this guy doesn’t understand a thing he just read.
This video confuses laws written to the jews with Paul’s instructions to the Gentiles as well as the cause and effect of faith vs works while disregarding Jesus’ explanation of the encounter with the rich young ruler.
There was a council in Acts that worked that out. Gentiles only have to keep 4 laws that applied to sojourners as well as Jews. According to Paul, faith in Jesus leads to your nature being changed and God’s spirit dwelling in you that leads to spiritual growth which culminates perfect obedience and admission into an eternal kingdom.
God using something that is an abomination for good is not foreign to the Bible. Read Genesis 50 when Joseph tells his brothers who sold him into slavery “what you meant for evil, God meant for good.”
The Bible consistently says that man can’t keep the law and is in need of grace, forgiveness, redemption, a heart change, and a new spirit that only God can provide through the work of Jesus. Christians believe they are saved by belief in Jesus and are given the Holy Spirit to provide continuous spiritual growth leading to obedience.
James says that if you are guilty on one point, you are guilty of the whole law. Jeremiah says that not one is righteous, not one, and the heart is desperately sick. I am not aware of the Bible stating it is easy to follow the law as the creator of the video states.
Jesus told the rich man to sell all his stuff and give to the poor to show that he cannot earn the kingdom by keeping the law because he has an idol before God. Someone who takes their identity in their status or performance cannot get themselves into the kingdom anymore than a camel can fit through the eye of a needle. It is only possible by an act of God, not man.
This is easy to explain:
1. The Bible is incomplete. It only has the greatest hits, it isn't the full discography.
2. Those hits have clearly been edited, meaning they are missing key parts, like the relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene for example.
3. You definitely nailed it with Paul's view of the Gospel. When it comes to Paul's message's standing, it always felt there was a lack of balance, as if one leg holding his message was broken or missing.
4. In terms of Matthew however there is misinterpretation here. Because the phrase you need to be better than the pharisees already contradicts that he is proposing good deeds as the answer of salvation. Instead, it is clear he is talking about love, that loving your neighbor alone is above any actions you take. Good deeds alone aren't enough because the pharisees do that, they also follow the law, but they don't do it out of love, they do it to show off and because of protocol.
5. Love is a verb and it can be manifested in flesh, however it is not an action or knowledge, it us something you are, which is Jesus main message.
6. Jesus main message is that he is God, he said repeatedly that he was God when he said that he and his Father were one and the same, and he asked us to be like our F 0:04 ather that is in heaven, and the only way to be like our Father that is in heaven is to be perfect, meaning to be, not to do, not to say, or to know, to be love.
7. To be love is to be all giving and without judgement, like the Sun and the rain, that gives without receiving, and gies it to all.
8. Therefore Jesus is saying that not only he is God, we are all gods, made based on God's image, and with the same capabilities of being perfect by becoming love in the flesh.
9. You don't need salvation if you are already god because you also are god.
10. Our purpose on this Earth is then to bring God among us by being like him, perfect, all giving without judgement.
The “Law” is totally fulfilled by loving God and loving your neighbor. Paul was illustrating the difference in thinking between Jews and gentiles. A more accurate summation of the “faith alone” message is that we are saved by grace. We certainly don’t deserve salvation through any of our works, but loving God and loving our neighbor manifests in our following commands such as in Matthew 25.
This guy keeps calling it the “Jewish Law”. It’s the Law of God. Not Jewish Law. The commandments in the Law of God are given to everyone, not just Jews. Jews are only 1 of the 12 tribes who were there when it was given. Yahweh also said the Law is for the sojourner who comes among them and those who are far off.
It’s God’s Law!!! Not Jews Law!!
There is no crucification of prophet Jesus Christ peace and blessings be upon him. He was neither crucified nor sacrificed, but rather rescued, lifted to heaven and dignified. Every person is responsible for his conduct and actions.
God said in His holy Quran: In the Name of Allah the most merciful the most compassionate
💐Whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it and whoever does an atom's weight of evil will see it.💐
As for prophet Jesus Christ peace and blessings be upon him, God did not deliver him to his enemies to kill him in the savagest way ever, but rather lifted him to heaven and dignified him. “The LORD has chastened me severely, but He has not given me over to death.” (Psalm 118:18)
King James Bible
"Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate." Psalm (34:21)
Thank you brother Paul the truthful and brilliant. 💐
The law was not the means to salvation. If it was the means to salvation then no man would go to heaven because no one could fulfill the law. It was circumcision as the first covenant, not keeping the law because that was impossible, we cannot live sinless unless you want to argue that or simply say no one is in heaven. Faith accredited to them righteousness
No contradictions.. you cant understand the word unless you are born again.
John 16:12 KJVS
[12] I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Paul is an apostle of God.. i feel sorry for you guys blinded by lies believing what suits you, denying the one true God whom you feel you serve. Unless you are serving Jesus and his message whom God placed in highest place only under himself.. and you deny his truth spoken through Paul?..
You guys can go back to your mother womb and born again to make sense out of nonsense. For us this contradiction and nonsense are not reconciled
1 Cor 9 "To those without the law I became like one without the law, to win those without the law.. I have become all things to all people .." This was St. Paul describing himself so why should St. Paul's words be taken seriously at all?