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- Leicester Tigers have the best rugby academy in the World. This is why. Over the last two decades, they have produced some of the best rugby players on the planet and their identity is the embodiment of the English rugby ethos: hard-nosed, fast-paced and at times ruthlessly brutal.
The club has a strong tradition of producing home-grown players. Tigers legends Martin Johnson and Graham Rowntree were developed from a strong youth structure and Tigers recognised very early that an Academy system was needed to develop players capable of playing professional rugby. In 1998 the Tigers Academy was established with players such as Harry Ellis, Sam Vesty and Louis Deacon among the first to successfully come through the system. In 2002, Tigers were rewarded for their pioneering work with RFU Academy status. The programme has produced more than 100 age-grade internationals as well as producing British & Irish Lions caps Tom Croft, Dan Cole, Harry Ellis, Ollie Smith, Manu Tuilagi, and Ben and Tom Youngs.
RugbyPass goes behind the scenes of the programme to see what it takes to become a Leicester Tiger; going on a journey with Academy hopefuls over the course of their championship. We see the laughs, we see the pain and we see what it takes to make it at the highest level. RugbyPass presents: ‘The Academy’.
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Last time a Leicester Academy forward made his debut for England was Tom Youngs way back in 2012...
But what a player.the man is a machine
Of course Billy Twelvetrees and George Ford don't count obviously...
nhj 12 Bristol academy
Tom manz has now changed that
@@1stwalker he said forwards
I think Canterbury will have something to say about that.
New Zealand doesn't really have academies per say at least not in the European sense, because they don't really need them to be honest. The players are produced by the schools system which is the best in the world, only rivaled by South Africa. Then guys will play in the NPC/Currie cup to prove themselves. There's a lot more competition and it's better for developing players.
In Europe they have to use an academy system because the schools/clubs system for youth is not up to par. They have to centralise the development system so that high potential players can develop alongside similar level players. The schools system in Ireland and England for example has far too many soft private school boys. So when you see European players "dominating" at schools level it's not much of an indicator of anything.
@@iluvmusicqwe so we prefer school system in the SH because its produces the best
Iluvmusicqwe yeah. So true. In NZ we don’t have academies. Grassroots is really strong. 👍🏾
They dont have an Acadamy.. ..
Iluvmusicqwe agree with you mate apart from the “soft private schools” The reasons that we have academy’s are because we have such a large population but very few in comparison of boys playing rugby. So what I’m saying is that hardly any of the state school system boys play rugby which is fair enough if they don’t want to no one can force them or anything but I’m just saying if rugby was played in schools in England like they are in the schools in New Zealand then are playing level would be much more up to par. We also have schools like sedbergh and wellington which are British public schools who are well up to the standard of playing rugby. This is proven by how many international players come from these types of schools because they are given scholarships in the sixth form but they mainly develop their skills and learn to play at a higher level in the sixth form. However I respect your opinion and I mainly agree with it.👍
quality. keen for the next.
Funny way of spelling Leinster.. or a very suspect way of spelling Crusaders.. either way
Bold statement. I’ll repeat what a lot of other people are saying. I think that the Canterbury Crusaders might have the best claim to the best academy in the world.
Great camera work!
Honestly this is great stuff
Leinster Academy miles ahead..their record eclipses Tigers
I think the lack of salary cap may help just a tad
@@dazeng4633 In developing players?
@@tipperary1082 absolutely. If you know you'll be able to afford players you've invested so heavily in.
@@dazeng4633 The salary cap is an English regulation to stop wage inflation in their league. It currently loses 40 million each year and this was brought in to make sure it wont be 100 million a year in 10 years time. Why should this apply to Leinster? And I doubt players like Doris Kelleher Degan or Will Conors are on big money they probably all still get the bus. The internationals and James Lowe are on big money but a lot of the squad only have development contracts.
Leinster’s wage bill would barely make it in to the top 10 premiership wage bill. 95% of Leinster senior squad are homegrown players. Add to that the fact that a further 30+ Leinster grown players are playing pro rugby and it begins to paint a picture of who has the best academy in the world.
Great to see so many Oakham lads in action. Well done boys.
Oakham r shite
amazing content
I think the Leicester Tigers academy should do a tour of NZ or SA so that we can put that name to the test.
Mental watching this now and seeing how many have international caps now and thats only from 1 year group.
Whoever edited this is loving the pan shot
Its a bold statement, maybe once upon a time but not now.
Leinster rugby's academy is the best by far
The future looks good for New Zealand rugby
😂😂😂😂 see what u did your there
I would think that in England alone the Gloucester, London Irish, Saracens, Harlequins academies have produced more premiership quality players...
True but there's Freddie Stewart who was at tigers and got his first game against Australia.
Hartpury one of the best colleges linked with Gloucester
Great to see Premiership Academy in details, but this is a very overstated claim. The AASE linked component Brooksby Melton has under performed. All 14 Academies have produced players for national teams. London Irish have a tremendous record for producing players, shame they don't seem to keep them; this years AASE Champions. Gloucester / Hartpury link up is impressive.
But their U18's are currently top of Northern Division in U18 Premiership Championship, London Irish top of South.
should do this for harlequins after covid next season
Sam Harrison’s hair do is the most brutal thing about Leicester
a good academy but not the best in the world
Bit of clickbait really, but thats showbiz
Who’s is then
@@Ruebezzzzzz Leinster academy
To be fair the majority of these lads could probably make the first team at the minute...
Best academy in the world-currently second bottom and nearly got relaxed last year
The academy aren't, they've won the academy league the past two seasons and are currently top... An academy and a first team are different things anywhere in the world in any sport.
Think Leinster are laughing their asses off
How may European Cups Leicester?
@@brock00009 They should be coming up and taking places off first team players if that's the case which is what happens in Leinster.
denis murray different league system, one has relegation and every game counts. The other has weaker opposition and no relegation. You really are all over CZcams aren’t you Dennis with your bitter comments. Will have a look out for you on other videos celebrating English rugby
@@neuer2340 of course I forgot about that excuse you cant play talented players because you might lose to London Irish or Newcastle or Wasps and Worcester or Bath Leinster put out an Accademy / second choice back row, tight head and Hooker against Northamptons first team and beat them by 46 points that's 5 second choice players in the pack and look that they did to them at home If you have such a great academy they should actually be good enough to play professional rugby.
This was last season wasn’t it?
Canterbury Crusaders has the best academy it’s the All Blacks factory
Isn't that a school not an academy though?
J R nope it’s an academy the college is Christchurch Boys
@@MrUHTiger How many Crusaders have come from the school?
RugbyGuide I can’t answer that for you I don’t know if your talking about the college or the academy I’m a Wellington Hurricane and I have to give the Crusaders credit for being the best of the best since 2000. Dan Carter came from Christchurch College I think but if you talking the academy then you need a big piece of paper to write out who came from there
So far the NZ u20s finished 7th and the schoolboys lost to Australia tho....
how to join the academy am intrested
just to confirm, he did say they have to have black boots at 9:26?
Maybe in 2003 they were, good watch tho
Remind me where the Tigers are in the Championship; and where were they last year? How many in the current England team? How are they managing in Europe? Several NZ teams would challenge the claim of "best". And of course Leinster.
Had 2nd most players in the WC squad after Sarries. So still have many good internationals. Just no god damn team cohesion.
Plus if you go off academy stats. They haven't lost on 3 years in England. So as far as an academy side go. They are pretty good. Retention is another issue. Ie. Not playing and selling Thacker, selling Odogwu...
Leinster pump out irish players
I think u guys are forgetting about grey college in south africa they have produced alot of players for the springboks
This is a good watch, but if we're honest, it hasn't translated into first team success for over a decade. It would be good to see a powerful Leicester again , but its Saracens and Exeter who are the only remotely competitive English clubs.
Northampton?
I only wish you knew then what we know now.
Is this a TYPO ? #LEINSTER is the proper spelling
I don't think it has a # in the name. I'll have to look that one up.
Tipperary where did Joey carbery come from Munster?
@@adriandoyler19 I dont understand the way you've written that. Could you rephrase it or use some punctuation please?
A nice documentary but the click bait title is nonsense.
That moment when you realise leicster tigers signed a leinster academy player 🤣
To name a few Geordan Murphy, Johnny Murphy, Leo Cullen, and Shane Jennings. Noel Read is the latest to go.
Toulouse academy as well I think would dispute best in the world.
Leinster have the best academy...
What part of the season do they start these academy games?
Already started, played about 3 already
Is that why their so good now😂
@Daniel Castledine *they're
How many players do they have in the English academies? My club, Scarlets, couldn't even put out a full team.
What do you mean? The Tigers academy is an English academy.. or do you mean in the English U18/U20 setups? And what do you mean the Scarlets cant put a team out?
@@JustinRSoles There seemed to be at least 2 full teams in the River's academy. Scarlets have 19.
From what i've seen from when i've shadowed there coaches (Don't hold me to this) Is they have 3 or 4 counties to recruit from. Leicestershire Staffordshire are two definitely and i think Warwickshire is one more. And they take 10% of all players from thouse counties into DPP and wittle it down to there academy side. So most likely around 30 players in the academy.
Does anyone who's been through leicester academy system know how common scouting is because when I had my dpp trial I hadn't been playing long and I would have a much better chance now.
Joel moeketsi Go onto their website or Leicestershire rugby website and look for trial dates
Thanks, will do.
@@joelmoeketsi3324 God bless
Please do an South African school
Exactly so I can see the kiwis have a go 😂😂😂
And about Toulouse, Clermont ?
Wait, they actually produce people? I thought they just threw a dart at a wall of ex wallabies and all blacks.
I prefer South African schools system than academies across the world
I reckon any Irish province bar Connacht would smash them
I know it's just hyperbole but the Best accadmy in the world would be in NZ either by accident or design they have the best players. outside that its Leinster by a country mile Leicester have actually signed a Leinster academy player in Read this year. When was the last time Leinster looked over at the Leicester team for players probably never.
@Mystic gamer First off Irish people dont say mate that's and English thing often used when when arguing or if their pissed off I highly doubt your in any way Irish. Secondly if your basing an Accademy of getting results at U18 level you really have it all arse ways . You cant tell how good a player will be until their in their early 20s I'm sure you have seen players when playing rugby who where amazing at 16 or 18 but absolutely average looking by 23. A good example is O Driscoll he couldn't make his schools starting 15 team at 18 but 3 years later was the best center in the world. Also if your from Leinster ( If anyone's still buying that ) or have any knowledge of Irish rugby you will know the Leinster Accademy train with the first team their not segregated most of them have played professional rugby. Oh yeah and do you know what a Sub Accademy is probably never heard of such a thing being from Ireland and all that 😁
@@DM-rp9ik Love how your judging his nationality off the words he use man you're so smart.
Clearly Leicester are no longer the best - although prob had a strong claim to it in first decade of professionalism. Leinster are by far and away the best academy in NH. But Leinster's European success owes a lot to Leicester's prior know how.... Leo Cullen and Shane Jennings for starters. While Leinster developed they were Leicester finished. Subsequently there was Matt O'Connor as coach - little less successful!
@@owyn4799 If it walks talks and quacks like a duck.
@Mystic gamer God you must have been up all night researching Irish rugby and the 1996 to 1998 BlackRock SCT. Your right he was on the bench in 1996 all the same he was not the best centre at 16 in his School he was an unused sub to be accurate It is funny how you knew nothing about it yesterday but now looks like you played in the 1998 Rock team. Google is wonderful I just used information I read from 15 years ago still the points the same he got a lot better by the age of 21. Sexton was 24 by the time he became a regular starter. I'm sure Leicester have won more Teb penny U18 cups but that's a near pointless indicator of Academy success if it was they should have the best team in Europe in 3 or 4 years Better indicators would be Number First team players/ starters from the Accademy and is your team any good. Number of Internationals or number of professional players playing at the top level. Your point was obscure at best.
Oh sick, using the wrestling front headlock position in rugby
Waratah Academy in NSW is the best
leinster academy is better smh
*Laughes in Saracens.
Seen better and their actual premiership team is shocking wasn't for sarries having that penalty they'd be facing certain relegation
Leicester don’t even pick the best players for their academy just the kids who are friends or family of people who coach there it’s the most bs club around and half the reason they are so bad now
ParaDoc so why did the academy go unbeaten then?
@@danormerod6453 Cos the only play NH teams Send them to SH for a beating LOL
ANd MANU TUILAGI is SH born bred and trained before you sucked him up!and BTW ITS PRONOUNCED TUILANGI DOWN HERE!
Plus they only chose kids from private schools
@@barrymilne7012 his entire family moved there when he was 12...
Barry Milne born yes. Bred partially. Trained FUCK NO. He moved here when he was twelve buddy and by that time he’d literally only just started contact rugby😂 and I’m assuming your a kiwi troll and in that case, where were you in the final of the RWC? Oh yeah you got destroyed by England.
Yet only Western Province and Canterbury have produced multiple world players of the year
I think you mean Leinster Rugby
Derrick we ain’t in dublin m8
@@thomasmarshall9884 No your certainly not but if you had the best academy in the world why are ex Leinster (Leinster Academy) players on your books.
Lads did you mean Leinster? Sent to the wrong place because of a typo smh
I think that was suppose to be LEINSTER
Wish I could go to it.
But I am in South Africa...so it would never happen.
I'm in Kenya; keep the dream up you never know!
There are awsome rugby schools in SA too though
@@odemba936 Make it happen bro. Keep working
Leinster academy
there is no doubting the rich heritage of leicester tigers ... that said, the past decade has been very poor by their previous high standards .... i would agree with much of the previous commentary that this is a nice 20 minute segment but the likes of quins, london irish, gloucester, sarries and leinster in the uk and ireland generate a much better quality player that then progress through to the premiership teams and national honours .... ALL of the kiwi and sa acadamies would put leicester to the sword in an open competition so no, the are not the best academy in the world.
lots of chatting....
Here for the butt hurt kiwis
The best academy is the team with the most championships. Because their academy would be feeding the top teams. Wouldn’t it? 🤷🏾♂️
You'd think but transfers happen so teams end up with players from all over nowadays majority of teams will only have so many players from the academy
Well they don’t me and my mate both play for a team in Yorkshire and trialed for Leicester a lot of the people that got in at our age group payed to get in that’s why a lot of their academy players don’t reach pro and they scout from other places for good players their club is about money
Ohhh shoot that's messed up if true. Surprised I haven't heard anything on the news or online.
Sa school boys champions will humble leinster boys.
Leinster and Leicester are two different clubs also I dont really think the saffas would do well against leinster. Leicester yeah but not leinster last time we played teh cheetahs and southern kings we beat them comfortably with our b team
@@fearmorpiercemacmaghnais7186 The Cheetahs and Southern Kings was basically kicked out of the Super Rugby because of poor performance, wheres the Web Ellis cup? And SA schoolboy rugby is crap yeah right czcams.com/video/Hrs8ooZpFv8/video.html
Hahahah leinsters academy is well better everyone knows that stocked full of great young irish talent
I don't think leinster is the best rugby academy. Ireland and leinster rely too much on Sexton when he will retire I think Leinster will struggle.
@@josephharris4136 you do realise Sexton is rested alot and he hasn't played the past 3 games wichbleinster all won comfortably
@@josephharris4136 Your saying they relay to much on someone from their academy also Leinster are unbeaten so far this year and Sextons been at a WC or injuried for most of that time Ross Byrne Harry Byrne and Frawley have been doing a great job so far.
The academy’s that good the tigers are flying at the moment, plus it is that good compared to the rest of the world half the 1st team is foreign:)
Would still get killed by any of the SA or NZ academy set ups
They wouldn’t
Dan Patterson they really would mate, these guys are tiny in comparison deary me
Special Helmet Boy size isn’t everything, we have better structure
If u actually followed the academy set up u would see that England u18s have beat SA two years in a row
And also went to the finals in 2015 and 2017 and 2018
Yet England hav only won one RWC🤣
How was the third place playoff?
@@goo9398 😂😂
Players can't have that autonomous feel. That's what's holding them back as a club. Get rid of the old day persona
It’s just not true though is it
surely leinster have the best academy in world rugby
@Mystic gamer the whole premise of an academy is to produce stars for the senior team, most players are still growing physically at u18 so losing to Northampton is completely irrelevant, Leicester tigers are on the cusp of being relegated from the premiership to teams in saracens and wasps who have produced far more English internationals in recent years.
@@daviddonovan5890 I think Crusaders got a better academy now and throughout history. Not from NZ but scary how much all blacks and crusaders were produced from that academy especially in recent years.
wasps are local tbf
and if Leicester hold onto those players they will do well. Problem is Leicester use academy layers to buy in other players on fat contracts resulting in the situation they are in now and where other clubs have thrived
shame their first team is wank hehe
Thomas Knapman who do you play for then
Some of the comments here have aged badly.
This was definitely for publicity there are loads of academies better than Leicester
Alejito 7 Anything for click-baits I guess
laughs in french
Smiles in England
But the worst mens XV
I honestly can’t believe that at this time they r putting out this when they r about to be relegated
Any nz club will beat these guys lol
Not what the World Cup said
@@lengrish4806 nt wat the last decade said.
@@lastonez7787 the world cup is more recent tho
Yh stfu , schoolboy rugby in nz is below english schoolboy rugby in terms of technical skill
Khalik Kareem NZ schoolboy rugby is leaps and bounds ahead of English school boys. SA schoolboy rugby is seriously ahead of English as well
Best in the world? Give me a break. That’s why they’re in a relegation battle is it? Leinster have the best academy in the world hands down
Monday Rhymes no wrong Canterbury does by far.
@@neuer2340 How do Sarricans have a Smaller pool to pick from they have all of England with players like Farrell from Wigan and greater london which has 8 million people Leinster has 1.2 million in the entire province. If you have a great academy you could give me a full Sarricans side no longer playing with Sarricans. You can put out a very strong Leinster side with Lions players in it not playing with Leinster Sean O Brian, Jack McGrath or internationals like Ian Madigan, John Cooney Andrew Conway and Tagh Byrne, Jordie Murphy. Not to mention BOD and Johnny Sexton a world player of the year and the best 13 in rugby. Sarrisans accademy is good but its baby steps in comparison to Leinster.
@@neuer2340 Why 6 years well I know why so your argument has at least half a leg to stand on why not pick a real number like the length of a career 09 to 19. I'll give you some other interesting numbers Sexton, Healy, SOB, Rob Kearney and Heaslip all around the same age all Leinster academy players all have more trophies then their Sarricans equivalents who came into the first team in 09 Some other Numbers. Leinster have produced more Lion's, More International players, Way way more Professional players past and present. More World player of the year and European player of the year winners. Their is nowhere Sarricans best then in terms of Accademy systems the prof is in the fact that nearly I can name a Accademy team not playing for Leinster and it's still got Lions and mostly made up of international players can Sarricans say that IDK but come back to me if you can. As for those football teams no local players are anywhere near them their made up of South Americans and European players might be one Englishman in them every few years so no excuse there for you I'm afraid.
@@DM-rp9ik Saracens
@@JustinRSoles Sure whatever they call themselves
If they’re so good, why do they need to sign offshore players? All shit
incoming all the arrogant and stupid comments of how SA and NZ will destroy them even though England u18s have made the u18 world championship finals multiple times beating SA in the process and NZ not making it to the final
I think the arrogance comes from the English as they proved it by "winning" the RWC final before it was played. And yes, telling you that Bloemfontein Grey College will beat this academy is not arrogance it's fact. 32 -12🏆
Visit Stellenbosch and then have the balls to admit you’re wrong.
Best in England not in the world
I’d have to disagree and say Worcester warriors have a much better academy