Case 580b Overview [[ Controls, Startup, and Operating]]
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- I have had this old Case 580b for about 8 years. I had never ran a backhoe before I got it. Only one time on a small backhoe attachment for a tractor. Which I was on for no longer than five minutes. The guy I purchased it from dropped it off and I was on my own. Therefore I am no expert operator. My intention with this video is only to share what I have learned along the way.
These old backhoes are a bit tricky to operate in my opinion. The leavers take a while to get the hang of, but with time you will get more fluid. It took me about a year to feel confident in what I was doing. I would run the old case most of the weekend every chance I got. Mostly digging up stumps. Which was a task for a novice like myself. I learned how to do a lot, but a lot more of what not to do.
Probably the hardest thing that I still cannot master are the swing foot control pedals. It doesn’t matter how hard I try. I can’t keep from making it creep in one direction or the other while digging. Therefore I just keep my feet completely off of them until I need to swing the bucket. The first big hole I ever dug with this backhoe I blew a swing cylinder. All because I left my feet on the pedals. Since then I have tried to master it with the same results.
Blowing a swing cylinder was a big deal for me. It was my first real fix on the backhoe. This was well beyond my skill set. I had never even worked on hydraulic cylinders, but after some time I got it off. In my opinion it is to date the hardest cylinder to get off. I then took it to a shop to get the seal repacked only to be blown away by what their price was. I found someone else and still spent $250 getting it fixed. Since the. I have learned to keep my feet off the pedals. As well as repack the cylinders myself.
I honestly do not know what I did before I got a backhoe. They make life a lot easier for so many different things. I have cleared a lot for our house to go one day, spread gravel, lifted boats, loaded equipment, and knocked down buildings. If you are looking to make the leap and purchase one. I would say if you can, go for it. I honestly do not know if I could go back to life without one. As long as you are somewhat mechanically inclined and willing to learn. You can really do a lot with a backhoe. Although if I had not done all the mechanical work and maintenance myself I don’t know if I could have justified it. Mechanics charge an arm and a leg to work on these old machines. Cylinders alone are $250-600 to just have them repacked. Just keep in mind you may have to diy when it comes to fixing things.
I have been racking my brain on what I did not cover in the video. So far I am drawing a blank. I may have to come back and change that, but for now I think I have it covered. At least without going into maintenance. Which I have a few videos on already. I mainly want to cover a few basics. This video was requested and I hope it’s not to late. I have been so busy it has gotten put off. I apologize and hope this will still help. Thank you to everyone who has watched and subscribed! I hope you enjoy!
Okay, Brother! Get OVER the transport position (or fighting it!). When you are prepared to move your 580B to the next digging position - Center the Backhoe. The Boom lever - next to the righthand outrigger needs to be pulled back right and up to when the boom is almost to the top...then force the lever forward... the boom will lock into position. It took me 50 passes to figure that thing out... now - LOCKED before I move EVERY TIME. It just takes practice and once you get it... you will snicker to yourself!
Thanks for the video! I just picked up a backhoe (same make / model) and like you I didn’t have any experience running them so I really appreciate the info!
Owned one for 20 years. 74 model. Loved it. It never let me down. And i could dig alongside most modern machines of the same size class. Ps. They will burn alot of power steering fluid. Filter is inside the ps reservoir. Mine had the shuttle. Always check ALL fluids. hytran or tch for the trans. 75/90 for the rear. Still have the shop manual. I'll be around .
Im getting ready to buy one
I just got a 1975 580b up and running. Thanks for this video. I don't know anything about using it so this was very helpful. I have already tackled several projects. It is really great to have a backhoe. I think I'm going to call her HoeZilla.
That’s great to hear. I am glad it was helpful to you. When I got mine I had no idea what I was doing. There were no videos on 580’s then. I hoped to help others who are in the situation I was. You are ruined now. I don’t think I could ever go back to not having one. I use mine form clearing land to lifting boats. I like the name and wish you luck. Thanks for watching!
[thank, you for you're great helpful video]👍
Dood…..I absolutely love your laid back style! Keep it up. Just bought a 580sk and ur video helped me. Thanks!
I appreciate it. That’s just how I am most of the time. I am glad it made sense enough to help. Thanks for commenting and watching! Good luck with your 580.
Great video. Looking to get a 580b soon
Thank you. Just bought my 680ck to work some land. You shoulda saw us trying to load the thing on a goose neck and scared to death we were gonna screw up and end up tipping it over while loading. My but puckered up real good getting the thing on that trailer with no boom function after just finishing finding the brakes and throttle.
Hi there, I have a 580 C, the trick for getting the boom locked in the transport position: you have to have the dipper and boom at about 90 degrees from eachother, throttle up about 3/4 . Bring boom down to ground, raise boom ,(full pull), until it just about gets to its upper limit, and then reverse it, the momentum of the boom will continue to travel into the locked position...then you can bring the dipper back down. It took me alot trying...then I found a CZcams video on how to lock boom in transport position.
Awesome. We just started rebuilding a 580B. Will try this trick out. Thankyou.
Great video
I am looking in to one like this . I can't go check it but the guy will deliver so I think I will get it
Last time I seen one of those Reagan was in office
thanks for uploading. you helped me figure some stuff out when I first bought mine this year.
I appreciate you watching. I am glad it was useful to you! It is great to hear it helped someone.
@@FishHuntCookTinker yes it was very useful for me! if you need a service manual or a parts catalogue for the 580b (with part numbers) let me know and id be more than happy to send them to you as a thanks
To level bucket on right bucket cylinder there is an alignment tab also the white know you called the rear lock when your digging and spinning one tire with heel push that it will give you locked rear for more traction not for transport.
I guess I miss understood the guy I bought it from. I just remembered him saying it didn’t like to lock then unlock. Therefore I have never messed with it. I’ll have to play around with it when I have time. Thanks for commenting and watching!
I can not find a video on the 580d backhoe controls but this helps me on how to use the thing.👍
I am just glad I could help. Thank you for watching!
Thanks for posting this very helpful I just purchased same one.
I am glad it helped you out. When I purchased mine I knew next to nothing. There was not a lot of help on the internet either. I am just glad to see others can use the little bit of knowledge I have gained. Thank you for watching and good luck with your backhoe!
I do NOT have the bar on the backhoe that we have 1973?-ish 580B... I will use the Travelers in my transmission - we'll see if it stops screaming... hoping for the best... as to the holes in the backhoe arm... he was using it as a lock-pin... or so it looks like.
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Stick / dipper and connected to the backhoe is your boom
Hey Cowboy, would you make another video where we can see you operate the 3 levers better. The instructions are GREAT, but to see you one the sticks is broken video.
Thank Ya Sir. Houston, Texas.
Thanks for the video on the 580 I just bought a 580 CK construction King it's my first one your video will help a lot but you didn't say what that pedal was to your left when you're driving the tractor and I didn't know about the left brake right brake thanks again looking forward to seeing you repack the cylinders
Hope you are enjoying your new toy. The left pedal is the clutch. Side brakes help a lot when turn sharp. Also steering when pushing. It took me forever to get the hang side brakes when I first started out driving tractors. Once you do they are a huge help. It probably won’t be long before I will have to repack one. It’s time for some TLC. Especially on the hoses. Thank you for watching and I hope you get it all figured out!
Good job, I learned a lot from you thank you.
I am just glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching!
Have you try the truck with the rug soak in gasoline? . Some said put on the exhaust some said on the intake to it suck the gas fumes
👍thanx good video
7:02 when it's cold and she's cranky sometimes she needs a Rail or Two.😜👍
I have a can of starting fluid but it really doesn't get cold here- 70's in Jan, maybe, but we are warm most of the year. I will be careful with the fluid, and the starter Thanks again
my out riggers work but the arm won't do anything .what could be the problem . none of the levers work .my front bucket works like it should .the arm is on the ground so I can't move the tractor until I get this fixed
Yep, you are missing the backhoe lock hook. it is attached to a lever so when you are sitting at the controls you can unlock the boom and lower it. The other thing is............ your back hoe controls are hooked up wrong! lol, from right to left the levers should control the Boom, Dipper, Bucket. Just like the pictures that are in front of your levers, the center stick should control the dipper. The left stick should control the bucket. LOL, someone probably just hooked the hoses up to the wrong lever/spool valve. Someone that has been running a 3 stick Case backhoe for a long time would never be able to get used to yours.
Thank you for the info! I never really looked at the pictures below the leavers. They are so faded it’s hard to tell. Tomorrow I will definitely check it out. This is the only 580 I have ever ran so I would be in a world of hurt if I jumped on another one! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@FishHuntCookTinker I have had mine for a couple years, and like you, do not have much operating experience. Mine is currently stuck in high range gears. Something i really need to fix because i just use it around my farm. Would much rather it be stuck in low range than high. I'm also like you, and don't rev the engine up very high when i'm digging. However if you read the manual or just ask a Heavy equipment operator, they will tell you to run it wide open or near full throttle. The hydraulic pump does not make its peak pressure until the engine is at a pretty high RPM.
I finally had time to check out the controls, you are correct! I would have never know! I guess I’ll have to keep it that way. If I change it it will drive me crazy!
I hardly ever take mine out of 1st. Maybe twice a year. I’d definitely take it easy till you get it fixed. Thankfully I have never had any transmission issues, but I have heard they are a nightmare.
It may just be my lack of experience with the controls, but much past 1600 rpm and the controls get way to jumpy. I have a hard time digging smoothly. Almost like it jumps. I’m sure if I ran it hard more often I could get the feel, but for normal digging it works for me. I’m sure not having rocks on my land helps a lot.
thats the differential lock that you point to at 13:17 you say it locks the rear end for transport but its a diff lock, I use it for the snow, gives much more traction
I’ll have to do some research on that. It could definitely be useful. Thanks for commenting and watching!
@@FishHuntCookTinker yes if you ever struggle with traction (hills, snow, mud) its a game changer.
it just makes it so both tires spin together rather than being able to spin at different rates which means you never have one side slipping. Its an absolute necessity for me in the canadian winter.
@@FishHuntCookTinker another note though - just like on an old tractor, the differential lock only goes in or out while the tires are spinning. You cant just push it in when its parked and expect it to be on until you pull it out or something. theres a reason its by the pedals - so you can step on it while youre driving. Usually it takes just a bit of a tire spin to lock in place. I just stand on it for a second to get it to lock. you can feel it lock in.
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so what happen to startup?
I also just bought a 580 CK tractor and can't find too much info even though it's from the 70's. I was able to draw an operational ability for my tractor from your video. Thanks! Any links on how to swap out the hoe for any other attachments would help.
I am glad to hear my video was helpful to you! Unfortunately I have never changed out the hoe. I can only imagine it’s a chore. Thank you for commenting and watching!
Sorry Mate, where is the brake reservoir on this? Any help... Thanks
No resevoir, brakes are wet cone type,100% mechanical.
If you have a working manifold heater don't heat it if you are going to ether it. Use the about the same amount of ether as you would to start a single cylinder engine. I've been running Case hoes for 40 years not expecting it flipped one a year ago.
I give it a tiny squirt of ether. I really don’t like using it, but it will grind forever before it starts or the battery goes dead. If it tells you anything. I still use the same can of ether that it came with when I bought it in 2013. One of these days I’m going to go through it and get it the way it should be. I just have to get some other projects out of the way. Thank you for watching and commenting!
First time owner of a late 60s 580 B-Thanks for the posting. Great advice on the walkaround and fluid options. I am going to be starting the beast up for the first time, does the shuttle shift have a neutral position it needs to be in prior to starting? Or the transmission shifter have a neutral as well? Do both, either or neither of them have to be in a neutral state for turning the key? I got absolutely zero paperwork with this machine and it isn't your run of the mill garden tractor. Any advice on the actual startup procedure would be helpful and appreciated.
I hope you love yours as much as I do mine. I am assuming yours is a shuttle like mine. With the shifter on the left of the steering column. It needs to me in neutral to start. Forward is forward, back is reverse, and in the middle is neutral. It should have a slotted catch for neutral. As far as the clutch pedal. The one on the left. It doesn’t have to be pressed down to start. I honestly only use my clutch pedal a few times a year. Only when I go on the road. I always leave it in first gear. Mostly because I am a chicken. I don’t want to find myself trying to dig or do something stupid in a higher gear. To replace the clutches is a big deal and very expensive. Plus I never go far or fast so it’s all I need.
As far as start up give it a little gas and don’t wind on it for to long. If it doesn’t want to crank use a SMALL shot of starting fluid. I burnt out my first starter trying to crank it when it was cold. Although I believe it was already on its last leg. Check all your fluids and let it warm up for a bit. Especially in winter. That is about all I can think of. Just take it slow till you get the hang of it. Good luck and thank you for watching and commenting!
@@FishHuntCookTinker Got it! Thanks for the reply. Battery going in tomorrow and I have the checklist.
I would like to know how your claw/thumb is setup on your hoe. I would love to set one up on mine. Where is the control located? How was the line run down the boom?
Brother just some friendly advice. Edit down the video to under 10 minutes. There is a lot of chit chat that is not needed. Oh and never ever apologize for a video you are making.
The only reason why I am suggesting this. If we are looking up how to do something. We need the information fast. We don't care about what else you got going on in your life.
Also, the controls that you are moving should be camera centered. Seeing the backhoe move around does nothing for us. If we don't know which controls you are moving.
It would have been better watching you get it started rather than starting it off camera. Because some of us might have the same issue and could've learned something from you.
But I do want to thank you for at least uploading a video the more information shared the better. Just try and keep the videos short. 23 minutes is a long time.
Some one took the factory boom lock off
That's why the plate if there not a lot of people know how to lock the boom up
how do you unlock it? Is it by pulling the lever attached to the lock? cuz if so it seems inconvenient if ur on the chair
that boom lock is not original to that machine, it looks like it will work but on mine i got a few weeks ago its a hook type mechanism if you wanna call it that. kinda dangerous because there are 2 pegs on the boom that you have to lift the hooks up on to, i guess it is better than nothing but i still think somebody could loose a finger pretty easy if somebody bumped the controls while you where in there.
I didn’t think it was. That definitely sounds like you could loose a finger, but really there are a lot of places on mine you could. I appreciate you letting me know. Thank you for watching!
@@FishHuntCookTinker it was a very informative video. I've ran backhoes before but 3 stick is still a bit of a pain, but I've gotta rebuild my swing cylinders before I get to excited about digging with mine.
It definitely took me a while to the hang of. Those swing cylinders are a pain to get off. On mine the bolts were very hard to get to. Then again it was the first cylinder to go on mine. I was not really prepared for it. I don’t know if you have the means to repack them yourself, but that is what I started doing. You use to be able to get the seal kits for $30-40. I made a wrench to take the cylinders apart, but you can buy them online. If you just repack the swing cylinders you wouldn’t even have to take them off the machine. Loosen the hoses. Unscrew the cap and pull it apart. I will say the bolts that hold the piston seals on are TIGHT! I normally pull it apart. Then reattach the rod to the machine to hold it while I take the bolt out. My vise is no where near big enough to hold the rods. I use a 3/4 socket, pull handle, and a LONG pipe.
@@FishHuntCookTinker i was gonna try an pack them myself, I've got a pretty good workshop for that kinda stuff available to use so I'm not to worried. but if not i have some buddies at the local hydraulic shop.
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I appreciate you letting me know. Thank you for watching!