Lionel Shriver on immigration: 'Politicians are feckless' | SpectatorTV
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- Spectator columnist Lionel Shriver and demographer Jennifer D. Sciubba who wrote 8 Billion and Counting join Spectator TV to discuss the latest migration figures; how the system is designed to stop pragmatic policy from being implemented and what measures could make a difference.
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Don't expect to see any effective action to reduce immigration into the UK from any government, either left or right, without a political revolution.
I think it's coming. if SWEDEN can change....
The next labour government will be the straw which breaks the proverbial back. Native Brits will go far right as is happening all over Europe!
It will only change if the present lot (all parties) are dragged kicking and screaming out of parliament and a proper direct democracy system installed.
I've come to realise that we put people in charge of our country who a) Are not experts in any of the fields that they have power over. b) They are never in the job for very long and then move on. c) They are never held accountable for anything they do and always blame someone else. This is not the best way forward.
It's not "fecklessness" - it's deliberate. Our political class want this type of mass immigration.
If so, they are remarkably short-sighted.
They are implementing the WEF's agenda which promotes the dissolution of nations in order to establish of a world government.
Our countries are being changed beyond recognition and many, myself included feel not for the better. I believe most people are not opposed to immigration but it must be done at a pace where imtegration is possible and the strain on all resources and infrastructure is bearable. This is not what is happening in the present.
It is the poor who pay the highest price for mass immigration. My home town is now a crime ridden mass immigration hell hole. The crime figures are out of control. I predict a civil war in the UK with 10-20 years. Divided countries become unstable. And Britain is becoming less socially cohesive each year. Look at what it happening in Ireland. It will just get worse as the indigenous population see their beloved culture, heritage and way of life disintegrate. The commentator who is talking about ‘perception’ is wrong. It’s about economics, culture, these are tangible things! It’s not just about perception!
Boston and Peterborough are lovely and retain a lot of old english charm.
Where do you live?
@@spritesheetsWhy? Are you thinking of immigrating?
Please go jam instead of responding to all of my comments. @@willmercury
Europeans need to claim their indigenous rights that the rest of the worlds indigenous populations use. The time is long past for this. It wouldn’t dare be opposed if it is handled in this manner. Indigenous rights are the key to preserving Europe.
This political scientist is hopeless. She makes out like there's no hope of changing immigration policy, and if everyone took that same pathetic, defeatist attitude, she'd probably be right.
Well said! "Democracy itself really encourages catering to niche interests and catering to fear", says Jennifer D. Sciubba. Put aside the fear potion of this quote for a second, although how is fear and manipulation with fear, which is baked into the human psyche, not linked to every system involving humans? Is she talking about replacing our system with AI, which no doubt would be programmed with establishment favoring algorithms. The fundamental nature of 'democracy' is that majority rules, which is the opposite of niche interests. What the freak is she talking about, with such glowing eyes and a big shining smile, by the way? Gosh isn't she nice and pretty. Lol. Is our democracy corrupted by niche interests? Absolutely, but that's not what she said. She said democracy itself. A political consultant who doesn't actually know what democracy means. Hmmmmm, that's not suspicious at all. This woman is a paid establishment shill, which is what all political consultants are. The are paid manipulators who are there to sell a message. And you are absolutely right, she is there to convince people that resistance is futile and that change is impossible. But that's a dangerous message for the establishment to be pushing at this juncture. And short of sending all these corrupt bums packing, we should at least start with dumping the consultant class which probably account for 25% plus of wasted tax dollars because all they do is tell us nothing can be done while she gets a hefty speaking fee from those who actually don't want to do anything. What she is really saying is the people who pay me don't want to change. Well freakin duh!. P.S. How dumb does this woman think we are, after all. She's a gd political consultant and she hasn't gotten a whiff that the winds have shifted and people aren't buying this crap anymore.
She’s being realistic. Reversing the course would require an enormous effort.
You voted for it, and now you're getting it good and hard.
The elites don't have to listen to the peasants.
We need to organise for our OWN collective interests as ethnic English people. Everything else is a waste of time. The demographics are baked in.
True, neither Labor or the Tories will do anything
I can well recall when I was nine years old, in third grade, and our teachers (we had a very socialist-oriented husband and wife duo as our 'teacher') invited a pair of young women to address the class (this was in 1970, mind you). They informed us that the population of the world had just passed three billion, and that the earth could not possibly support any more humans than this, and so we should all decline to have children in the hope that we might ameliorate said situation. I took their message to heart, and my wife and I are to this day childless, but in retrospect, I wish that I'd ignored their advice. I fully realize now how the leftists have long infiltrated our academic institutions and abused the access to young, malleable minds in furtherance of their unsavory agenda. I well understand how President Johnson signed the Hart-Cellar Act of '65 which provided for an ever increasing influx of immigrants from SE Asia and other places while limiting European immigration to the US. My wife is Japanese; I am not motivated by racial hostility, but I can see that the left is very much so motivated. We all need to open our eyes to what is happening right in front of us.
south asians, the most populous ethnicity, seem to be overtaking all jobs through migration and outsourcing and the environment is created for them to continue to reproduce. two bed flat in one of economic centers in india costs just $10K, i.e. 1-1.5x local gross annual salary. compare that to London or Silicon Valley, where people are forced to room-share ever smaller spaces.
RFK had 10 kids. As liberal as you get. Hispanics and African Americans and Catholics traditionally left leaning liberals who believe in separation of church and state are well known for having large families. It sounds like You got a couple of fringe liberals. But better than getting a couple of fringe right wingers who came with their Adolf memorabilia collection.
The horror of a thriving economy and world peace under a returned Trump presidency is too much to contemplate accordingly to Shriver.
Certainly the horror of a returned Trump at any price.
The PRICE is what they are already paying to keep him OUT,@@JimWhitaker. You're an utter propagandite if you believe different. Weaponized DoJ, the "Steele Dossier," 2 bullshit impeachment & utter DISGRACE of a sublimated justice system. To believe different is to be so delusional that it obviates the chance of a person being a patriot. ANYONE should see how _sick and twisted_ the authoritarian left has become...
they are _EXACTLY_ what the profess to despise. Total confession through projection. I don't like Trump, but he was a competent PoTUS on a macro level, and he *must be returned as a matter of justice, fairness, and yes, patriotism.*
The Left's abandonment of Liberalism is not just a problem in America either. Ireland springs instantly to mind. Britain too. Certainly Germany, Canada, Australia.
She is a hard left liberal and there was no way she would publicly say Trump did great… her liberal chums would lynch her 😂
World peace: he will drop Nato! He is ignorant of Putin's ambitions.
Not all cultures are equal, and the refusal to assimilate, along with active demands by immigrants to restructure the West, are tearing it apart.
Lionel Shriver speaks the TRUTH, on energy policy madness, and the border.
Non EU migrants to Britain coast the country 17 Billion pounds per year.
Pandora's box was opened in 1914. We are still haunted and traumatised by WWI, WWII and the concentration camps. These terrible events have lead to a catastrophic collapse in self belief and self confidence in Europe and the West. The period from 1914-1945 has undermined the moral authority and credibility of nations, borders, patriotism, monocultures and dare one say it, ethnocentric societies - all of which are now considered in the West, as purely bad. Therefore to be a good and decent person, one must simply advocate for the OPPOSITE. By doing/advocating the opposite, things will automatically be better and one will also have the enormous pleasure of feeling morally superior.
Yes, and that crazy idea is going to utterly destroy western civilisation.
Interesting to hear people talking about the country's major problem, the problem that has to be avoided because it's felt that nothing can be done about it.
Lionel on Japan: 💯
I really feel, as someone who has lived as an immigrant in Japan for 23 years, that the West needs to stop seeing the govt of Japan as good guys. Here yesterday the gross corruption of the ruling #自民党party is news, yet it never seems to cross the border…
Why visit England if it's not anymore really English? It's ubelievably sad what's happening in England/ the UK.
Paris as well. I was there this summer and it’s depressingly overrun with non Europeans.
@@hsmd4533 Yes, and other European cities.
We got captured by Usury/ international finance a very long time ago.
I went to Edinburgh 2 months ago ...nothing Scottish about it apart from the shite weather
I work mainly internationally and have done for most of my life. I am married to a legal and well integrated migrant. Universally, everyone is horrified at the state of the UK. We have a residence of London which I am going to sell as Sidiq khan seems hellbent on turning it into a colonized middle eastern enclave. We used to host our international friends and famly a lot. But people just arent motivated to come to London now. One of my friends pointed out his shock last time he was here that I am one of the only English people he saw the whole time he was over. I am now predominently based at a residence over seas where I moved to escape lockdown. Lockdown basically finished the job of making Britain look like a lost cause that mass migration and lawlessness begun.
It's too late now anyway, our countries are changed forever.
The British Constitution is, "The King, in Parliament, is Sovereign". So none of the 'Guardianista' objections to being tough on closing our borders matters one iota. If the Cherie Blairs of this world (Human Rights lawyers) get in the way of effective action, then the King, in Parliament, can remove us from Human Rights conventions (or alter them so that they only apply to indigenous Britons). This pretence that "the problems are insurmountable" does not wash......unless you are a Communist or a Muslim, who believes in the taking down of ALL 'nation-states', in favour of submission to Communism, or 'allah'.
Following is a comment that I deposited on The Spectator's article by Lionel Shriver. It does tend to deviate a little from topic here and there, but I thought it might be good to give that aspect a chance to float around a bit ...
As our world ramps up its aggression prior to its fight to the death, I just want to pop out of wholeness to thank you, Lionel, for such a hard-hitting exposition of the appalling state of affairs in our country and the rage and frustration of the people at government’s impotence to stem what is obviously an invasion. It’s a shame that government was not straight with us, that it has doggedly refused to admit its utter helplessness and subservience to socialist ideology. To repeat and enlarge on your sentiments: any expression of patriotism is condemned as far right and firmly crushed by our socialist thought police, as our border force heroically and helplessly helps the foreign masses into Britain and so on into the comfort of their hotels and thence into the relative prosperity of our streets. The socialist ideology currently dominant in Britain has arisen and arises concomitantly with the continuing rise in population numbers; the ideology is inherently unpatriotic. (‘Patriotism’ derives of course from ‘father.’) But our country suffers from an excess of feminine worship and female wisdom, so that the boldest statements naturally have to be made by women, for whom, not incidentally, basic self-assurance is always present as the reproductive imperative of the womb, while men seem happy to pass as a largely hopeless bunch - the Lost Boys! Good at building, family stuff and household repairs, though. The only hope is acknowledgement of the fact that overpopulation is the root of the entire problem, but as that is firmly taboo it probably won’t happen. Never mind. Humanity is merely a temporary embarrassment, a diminishing speck in universal terms, however painful the experience may seem to the individual. The entirety of mind is surely not confined to such a disastrous repeat offender. 😀
Love ya, Lion!
Wellcome to squirell in the wheel model of "economy"
Japan knows South Korea knows
As long as politicians are focused on re-election rather than real societal issues then nothing will change and of course that re-election focus will never change.
In Ireland emigration is the No 1 issue
SECONDLY
Dual citizenship must end.
People with multiple passports almost never truly adopt their new county. They continue exporting $ to their HOME country, that they left.
People with multiple passports are often global globe trotters country shopping, continuously moving from country to country, as per which is most fun/lucrative in the moment
ONE PASSPORT
The zelenskyy family can go back ukraine - now!
I have UK and Australian passports- I’ve adopted my new country. What a silly thing to say
🇮🇱
@@deanunio is this sitting on the fence like a bisexual - able to screw both countries?
jobs offshoring is far more pernicious. soon all digital jobs will be performed offshore.
Rejoin the EU, we didn't have these issues before Brexit, in fact everything was Better Before Brexit.
Imagine both India and China sent a hundred million people to every western country , what change they can make. But wouldn't notice them gone.
Numbers vs perception.....perception is more important ?
The most important and boring info about a company are the numbers...the accounts.
Gibberish - not from Lionel.
All of Europe needs to protect it’s indigenous populations. If it’s good enough for the rest of the world, it’s good enough for the European indigenous. C’mon, use this the way other indigenous people do. Save yourselves. Who would dare to oppose indigenous rights? Exactly!
Feckless - I feel that's a great euphemism ... :)
6: 10 how about India, they have very strict immigration cotrols?
In the United States there has not been a single period of economic expansion that didn't heavily rely on mass migration. But since the 1965 Immigration Act the right wing have blocked even simple up or down votes on basic incremental Immigration reform. The current Labor Force Participation rate is abysmal. If you count only full time workers less 5 in 10 Americans work for a living. Half the population are either too young, too old or too privileged. Meanwhile a workforce of 14 million undocumented workers are plugging that massive gap of productivity yet are vilified for it. Every hour of undocumented or authorized labor is flipped for a profit which is multiplied all the way up the economic ladder. This multiplier of the fruits of undocumented labor is NEVER recognized. It provides billions in profits from LABOR...people swinging hammers, pushing mops, picking the produce consumed on every right wing dinner table. This guest talks about the "elites" blocking Immigration crack downs. Yet leaves out the fact the undocumented end up on farms, meat processing plants, and construction sites in every red state. Not a single one of which West of the Mississippi River have passed Universal E-verify which would target and locate every undocumented workers using false documents. So from the left side of the face Texas politicians cry about mass migration yet from the right face they're winking at their donors aka the guys who fund Trump and DeSantis and give them "dont worry we will let you keep your undocumented". Why? Because if the right wing states ever walked their talk on banning undocumented workers with felony prosecutions and crippling fines their state economies would collapse. They simply do not have the workers to replace 14 million people overnight. And the irony of invoking Trump is almost to hard to swallow. He was one of the most notorious employers of undocumented workers in his hotels and golf courses. He was caught red handed in the year he launched his 2016 campaign with dozens of Costa Rican undocumented at his showpiece Trump golf course in New Jersey.
We could give every last of the 8 million undocumented working papers and we would still be over 30 million short to replace the boomers who have aged out of the workforce and have not been replaced. If we dont secure these workers yesterday this debt ridden economy will not be able to sustain the at least 3% annual GDP growth rate cover the $2 trillion split between health-care for the boomers, the sickest most medically expensive generation in history, and maintaining the world's largest most advanced military force. Particularly in the area of old age care, we have a crisis need for migrants yet are playing stupid Charlottesville riot, January 6th games where we allow the Texas Governor to pawn off fully documented asylum seekers as "illegals" when each has in their pocket a court order protecting them from arrest and deportation. It's a level of right wing gas lighting I nevet thought I would see. If Texas Governor Abott who cant control school mass shootings put even a single "illegal" on a bus across state lines to New York he'd be comitting more indictable felonies than Trump and his 3 dozen boxes of Top Secret files stored next to his toilet.
Is Lionel male or female?
Nothing can be done huh? I remember Trump building a wall and the problem didn't exist . But now ....Biden .
I don't think Sciubba is against mass immigration, even though she is aware of the damage different cultures can bring (e.g. regarding polygamy and male/female sex ratios).
Just only let women in - this will reduce the number of lazy spice girls!
No, don't let any in
@@stuartfleming nah just allow one allocated to each single man - cheering up british men, make them less racist, appreciate women more, have lots of kids leading to a 75% cut in immigration and the rest sent back to france mostly!
Immigration never works when newcomers don't integrate especially other religions especially Islamist. But remember when someone moves into your small town everyone is affected but when you have too many people moving into your town people have to give up to many things.
What is this person? A woman called Lionel?