Chauncey Billupss Explains How The Pistons Beat Kobe & Shaq In The 2004 Finals | ALL THE SMOKE
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- Former Piston's star, Chauncey Billups reflects on Detroits 2004 title and how the team thought Kobe, Shaq and the Laker's had no chance at beating them. He explains the game plan they executed in the series.
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Chauncey the only point guard in the 2000's to take a team to the conference finals 7 times! 6 with Detroit and 1 with Denver (2009) no other marquee point guard (Jason Kidd and Steve Nash) has done that.. 5 × all star 2004 finals mvp! back to back nba finals appearances..chauncey will be in the hall of fame next year for sure 🔥
He’s a HOF’er for sure!!!
FR...he gotta be hof ffs
Mr. Bigshot
He is also the only player that has a winning record vs jordan kobe and lebron in both the regular season and playoffs.
lebron
Chauncey was the most underrated point guard - and player - in decades
Chauncey was one of my favorite PGs during the Pistons run. As a Blazer fan, I’m glad he’s our coach.
Their coach
Rockets fan, he was my favorite player when I was younger. He was awesome!
you are NOT a blazers fan if you're happy that he's your coach rn lmaooo
Bro I straight up used to dislike CB for no good reason.
But to learn this man was a true team player, didn’t give a SHIT about FMVP and led Detroit to six conference finals… and Denver once. Holy shit man
I think I just discovered one of my favorite players ever. I feel like I’ve been hiding under a rock.
I was in the rec tent directly behind Baghdad International Airport watching this series with a few dozen other folks every morning ( one of the few benefits of working 7pm - 7am )...talk about a LIVE environment, probably one of the better viewing experiences of my Life, we were cutting up the whole time.
There were a handful of Representatives of the Laker Nation jawing back and forth with the rest of the tent.
Obviously we all know how the series went but the joy of camaraderie that was provided by those players truly helped everybody take their minds off of the madness that surrounded us.
RIP KOBE
2004 pistons the most underrated championship team ever
Most overrated
@@joshuafult84Nope, that's what a championship team is supposed to look like. They shut down the best team by working together, well deserved.
@@joshuafult84they’d stop your favorite team today
without derrick fisher hitting that ridiculous .4 second buzzer u guys not winning that chip
@joshuafult84 how can you be overrated and be the underdog at the same time?? 🤦🏿♂️🤔
I love this 04 pistons team. Definition of teamwork, no star player or ball hog, i remember their defense the opponents were held atleast 70 points. The lakers were more talented in paper but of course you had the kobe shaq thing, kobes case, malone and payton way past their prime
They the ONLY championship team that doesn't have any nba top 75...if that doesn't tell u how good of teamwork the team was, idk what can
No star player but had 4 or 5 all stars lol
@@kingrell116 hu u
Lakers fan i agree
Plus the Lakers had zero depth that was unreliable. Shaq was the only one that had a good series and he wasn't his dominant self.
We had no murders that whole summer here in Detroit that year.. Best team.. And good year for us.. We should've repeated
@Tony G None..
I'm from the d & idk about that lol. Probably none that were reported you mean
I lived a mile outside Detroit and her gunshots every night
@@nickkoslakiewicz7845 Didn't hear them during the summer of 04
Detroit sad😂
My favorite finals EVER ! I was a kid so turnt ! Detroit stand up !
My favorite was the year after. Detroit was MIA
Question is if they take Melo, do they still trade for Sheed? Taking Darko helped them get Sheed because he didn't work out like they hoped he would have. I think Melo would've made it impossible for them to get Sheed but they'd most likely still win the Championship that year and probably the one they lost to San Antonio.
He also brought up an interesting question: had they taken Melo, would Bron still be Bron?
Ben
Sheed (If they get him midseason)
Melo
Rip
Chauncey
with Tayshawn as the 6th man.
What if Bron then got sheed and sheed shot the shot not Darnell marshall
They did a 3-way deal and gave up guards, a 3rd string big & draft picks for Rasheed. Def could’ve happened taking Melo instead of Milicic. Team still needed another inside presence to tag team w/ Wallace.
@@antihero8265 So you're saying that they still would've gotten Sheed?
Bron probably would've went to Boston 🤣🤣🤣
@@jmcgee39 rabbit hole. Can’t say anything for sure. Just allowing for the “what if” to play out in my head a bit
Man, Yawncy.. that was a GREAT time for Detroit. I was livin' in LA and STILL rooting for the home team. Loved them years...
The pistons strategy was simple. They weren’t going to double Shaq. They wanted the other lakers to get wide eyed and start feeding him down low. Kobe was at his most selfish though and started to get upset that he wasn’t seeing the ball. So he started chucking shit 😂 He also wanted the finals mvp as well. So this finals loss I blame on injuries and Kobe Bryant
Thank you Kobe fanboys always pretend 🙄 he didn't nothing wrong
@@melvynsngltn27 What i have never heard nobody excusing Kobe for this series , he even admitted .
@@juliopoueriet2031 Kobe fanboys make 1,000,000 excuses for everyone except Kobe
U gotta understand to the lakers 2004 team did not work either Karl Malone was to old Kobe Bryant got in trouble in Colorado and Shaq was fueding with dr buss Gary Payton the only player who played 82 games on that squad that year and Gary Payton said the team didn’t work out itself
I’m not saying Karl is too old but Karl was injured most of the season
This is my favorite team of the 2000's. I remember they had a stretch of about 4 games where no team scored up to 70 or 80 on them. I also remember the full court press they used to run with Lindsey Hunter and Mike James who were both fast as hell and had great hands, which is still the most devastating full press I've ever seen. Also remember Mehmet Okur and Corliss Williamson coming off the bench and wrecking havoc on that team. It's crazy how much depth that team had in retrospect.
One thing to mention though is that a big reason the Lakers lost the way they did was because Karl Malone got hurt in game 2 and was never himself afterwards. Malone was the heart of the team that year despite having a ton of beef with Kobe. You could tell he was severely injured in the Pistons series, especially after seeing how impactful he was in the conference finals when they defeated the MVP that year: Kevin Garnett.
One of my favorite PG'S ever! His ability to was a team, get shots for himself and others is underrated!
That was a great underdog team!!
💯💯
Pistons. They only won cuz of Kobe.
The way Jack kept saying “it did not work” 😂😂😂😂. Maaaaan the whole city was like “whhhhhhat?!”
Heavy Gratitude for sharing.
Ps Cedric Maxwell and Chauncey Billups are the only Finals MVP winners eligible for the Hall of Fame who have not been voted in.
Pps Love when the underdog wins.
Ppps Let them in the Hall of Fame. They earned it.
I remembered back then an analyst who I can't remember said that even Shaq and Kobe would both score 30 plus a game during that series, there's no way they were going to beat the Pistons if the other players doesn't contribute because the Pistons defense was so good they love limiting teams to under 80 pts when beating them.
people hated that era due to low scoring tbh i loved lower scoring games, it makes scoring more valuable.
"Let's get it started" that song by Black Eyed Peas was what I remember during this, and how I was rooting for them to upset the Lakers. What a great team effort.
Pistons should've kept that 2004 roster intact. I thought the departure of Corliss Williamson and Mehmet Okur hurt their depth. But man...Pistons not drafting Melo has to rank up there with Portland not drafting Michael, as the biggest draft blunder.
4:40 this is why i love chauncey. His mentality was never about how huge his points/assists numbers were or his fg%. It was always about whether he got the W.
Players can learn a lot from him...he wasn't as talented as a kidd parker or nash...he just worked harder than most pgs and cared about the win...
This Pistons team is one of my favorite teams of all time.
The Pistons not drafting Melo is one of the biggest what ifs in NBA history. That team would have competed for titles for many years to come. Wow Detroit fucked up.
Joe D, will go down in infamy with that horrible decision.
Would of been one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history. Even until their last year together in 08 with Larry Brown and Ben Wallace gone for years at that point, they still won 59 games (2nd in the NBA) and lost to the eventual champs in 6 with a hobbled Billups and McDyess.
@@Loganbub they probably would have beat that Boston team in 08 too
The Bears taking Tribusky instead of Watson or Mahomes is.
@@kifley19 how about the Steelers not drafting Dan Marino ???? 😁😁
Difference between the 2004 Lakers and Pistons was that the Pistons *built* their team while the Lakers *bought* their team(that only lasted a season btw). Don’t matter how much talent you throw together, at the end of the day all that matters is team chemistry. The Pistons proved that, that season.
And Shaq was overweight, Kobe was in and out of court and Malone got injured. The Pistons got a perfect storm. Reason the only have 1 ring.
@@chadf1368 Detroit got 3 rings 5th most in NBA history dam alot of team really always been trash
@@daniellecarruth6443 the Chauncey billups team has 1
@@chadf1368 none of that stopped them from getting to the finals beating the Spurs and MVP KG with his top seed Wolves that year. They only got 1 ring (with no superstars) but came really closer to knocking off back to back dynasties with no superstars.
Detroit bought and traded for their talent just like the Lakers, if anything Lakers had more homegrown talent. Fisher, Kobe, Luke Walton, Devean George, and Kareem Rush were all drafted. Shaq and Karl Malone were the only bought stars but Malone and Payton were washed by that point.
Chauncey a Real OG
Chauncey is my guy. It's a scrimmage. We ain't comyback to LA.... Cold
Ya did. Bravo to your leadership Chauncey Billups
I'm still mad about my Lakers losing that championship.
It birthed an iconic team becoming history though 🤷🏽♂️
Y’all got enough rings for the time period, let someone else get some shine 😂
Same
Agreed.💯%!!
no better team to win this against Lakes, this Pistons team was iconic. Team work at finest
They got embarrassed!!!
That Lakers squad was in turmoil. As a Laker fan we all knew it. Even tho I still hate that series loss til this day, it was necessary. That ushered in The Black Mamba era.
Those teams were so shit tho, Kobe literally had to carry so much of the damn load night in and night out, who da fuq was Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkinson, Smush Parker
Always a excuse for kobe when he lose omg,when he got swept by the suns he was tired,when the Cavs swept him he hurt his little toe haha
@@nectarpeach2853 kobe got handled period
No it didn't cuz kobe got swept by the mavs and beat by the suns,facts hurt
@@shakimx6918 when did Kobe get swept by the Cavs??? Bruh Bruh. You're reaching and obviously know nothing about basketball. Do some research before sprewing your nonesense.
It's funny cause the Lakers side to this is that Karl Malone was injured and Kobe had a bad series, their chemistry was off all year, etc. while the Pistons side to it was always their lockdown defense and teamwork. I remember a story that Isiah Thomas told the team before the series started that it might be the Pistons that swept the Lakers. Not too far off...my favorite team ever
Malone & Horace Grant were injured. Slava Medvedenko was starting at PF against Rasheed Wallace... The 04 Lakers chemistry was good enough to beat the same San Antonio team that beat the Pistons in 05... So yeah
Karl Malone disrespected Kobe's wife . I don't think that helped the chemistry.
@@kincamell2 They still had enough chemistry to win a title if Malone was healthy.
@@melvinhhcp3615 so yeah? show us where Horace played in those 2004 Playoffs. talking about excuses
@@kincamell2 that was months after the finals
That Detroit team was a really good team. Very fun to watch.
The 04 Pistons wasn’t the mark-key teams fans wanted to see. But they had one of the more excited runs of the NBA seasons backed up by a solid role players, deep bench & A closer in Mr Big Shot Chauncey billups to put teams away.
Marquee********
CB 🙌🔥💯
I was a freshman in high school in Detroit the same year The Pistons went to the finals. 2004 was was special year & Detroit putting the smash on L.A. topped it off. I remember EVERYBODY saying I was crazy for thinking The Pistons had any type of chance. Chauncey Billups definitely was a floor general & the X factor in the series
damn. have mercy, if detroit drafted carmelo anthony that year. pistons defense plus carmelo anthony's young and very explosive offensive game.
Mr. Big Shot. A CLASS ACT.
I love this dudes attitude. All these players forcing numbers to gain MVP, dude was just playing to win. Thats what matters.
Joe was the GM, but Larry Brown wanted Darko not Melo, he didn’t like Melo n vice versa after the bronze medal USA team #facts he never gave Melo no clock said he had a bad attitude so Joe didn’t draft him
Can’t do that “What if” cause it’s a butterfly effect.
If they draft Melo who’s to say they would have the need or the mentality to trade for Sheed??
Plus Larry brown didn’t really play young players back then.
melo was different tho
@@landrelljones5708 Larry Brown wasn't a fan of playing younger players. You saw this in the 04 Olympics when he coached. That's part of why they lost. He's really stubborn in regards to that.
@@landrelljones5708 Doesn’t matter. Larry Brown’s gonna Larry Brown.
Wasn’t he giving Tayshaun minutes as a rookie???
This is true about LB but he he also forget more about X and Os then almost any other coach knows about the game
That's a damn good question Billups
That team was one of my favorites of all time. I lived in Cleveland and would drive to go see them play. You just cant beat team basketball
My number 1 all time starting five.
Whats crazy is these piston teams actually underachieved. They shoulda nabbed AT LEAST 2 chips
Captain Jack and Mr.Big Shot still got tension
Matt barnes "his whole jectory"!😂
Underrated squad Pistons
🤯 Mind blowing fun fact 🤯... Chauncey Billups is the ONLY player in NBA history to have a winning record against Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and LeBron James! 🤯
Detroit loves Mr. Big Shot!!! Thanks for the memories. That Darko pick, hurts but we try not to think about it. If Dario becomes Dirk 2.0 its the greatest pick ever, they tried to throw him right into the paint, not sure that's where Dark excelled
Woulda changed the trajectory of Both their careers.. Melo would have more Championships
I watched this finals in 2004. And I felt Pistons should win.
Was rooting for them too ( underdog stuff )
Chauncey is a straight baller in the 2000's with the Pistons. Not flashy, doesn't have crazy stats but is a consistent performer and very clutch. Definitely a true leader and a team player. Definitely getting overlooked when you talk about great PG's in the modern era. He definitely deserve to be in the discussions with guys like Nash, Kidd etc.
I doubted him before that series but after I saw their team defense and his game controlling pace I became a believer in that team. It seems as if he threw shade on tayshaun but if you look at the job he and rip did on kobe in that series keeping him from dominating I'd say tayshaun was about the best WIng defender of that decade.
Mr. Big Shot! 🏀
There’s an alternate universe where we got melo and kept this team together I believe it in my heart
What a player
The real interesting question to me is do the pistons even trade for sheed if they draft melo. You could end up going with a lineup of tayshun Melo Ben Chauncey and Rip. I know that’s a lil forward thinking for that time but I don’t think the league would have anything to stop that lineup
As a Melo, and a 2004 detroit piston fan. This breaks my lumbar.
Legend
Favorite player of all time my friends use to laugh at me but I wanted my jumper pure and lethal as his
Yessir 🔥
That ‘04 Pistons team was serious s/o to their entire squad.
Rip Hamiltons off ball movement was insane.
When they started discussing Bron they started shoulda-woulda-coulda.. LOLs
Nice Interview! this is my favorite NBA team of my life. If Carmelo would have came they never would have gotten Rasheed I guess. I loved Carmelo and he should have been on this team. Would have been great for his career. But the Hawks was no place for Rasheed. Hawks had great players. But Rasheed needed to be on this team and Prince needed to start. Don’t forget the Pistons fired Carlisle and got Larry Brown. Prince became a starter. Prince is only player to score more points in the playoffs than in the regular season.
Chauncey Billups
Mike Bibby
Steve Snash
Tony Parker
Jason Williams
Damn these are my favorite players as a point guard.
Ben Wallace was one of the OG cover athletes for 2k
Nobody ever talks about the fact that if they had Melo, they may not have made the trade for Rasheed. Without him, they don’t win.
Joe Dumars liked players who reminded him of his teammates. Darko was a jump shooting big, reminded him of Bill Lambeer.
Can we get a super dope studio to do NBA: What If? To cover these kind of stories? There’s hundreds of these easily. Animate it or documentary style I don’t care.
With Melo the Pistons run would’ve been extended maybe another four years. But there core guys would’ve aged the same way. Lebron was inevitable, he prove that by going to Miami. Nothing was gonna stop him from competing for rings
Even though Rasheed wallace never eliminated them when he played for portland he had played them emough times to take notes on what to do by now, im sure that helped Detroit.
Pistons Fan here and I'm happy we didn't get Melo... If we get Melo, Tayshaun might not develope into the Thee 2-way that he became and who's to say the Rasheed Wallace trade even happens... Everything worked out perfect if you ask me.
Not perfect u do know how sheed got traded to Detroit right? He was apart of the jailblazers he kept getting in trouble blazers wanted that image gone so they proposed sheed guess what ? Nobody wanted him bcuz his attitude so Detroit grabbed him I say that to say sheed was gonna go to Detroit regardless of the draft results and if u watched Melos rookie year he is what Detroit was missing a pure scorer melo at the 3 with billups/RIP backcourt lol dude that’s a 3 peat with sheed and Ben setting screens lol that’s a nightmare THEY WERE HOLDING TEAMS TO UNDER 70 POINTS!!!! Melo would’ve did watever he wanted lol not to mention there bench depth melo would’ve been the cherry on top but unfortunately JOED is dumb lol 2007 is a prime example y melo should’ve been drafted to Detroit lebron James made the pistons look like shit lol 2007 is one of Melos best years if he was in Detroit he could’ve answered lebron offense he gave prime Kobe a hard time for 6 games str8 y’all really sleep on how great melo is man it’s sad
There’s a moment in the 2004 finals on a fast break when Chauncey SHATTERED Gary Peyton’s ankles. It’s a great moment if you can go find it on CZcams
Billiups is one of the best point guard leaders and facilitators
He can play iso ball if need be too
Mannnnnn.... Rip gave Kobe the business in those Finals. Great times.
Two moments Chancey saying something and Stack isn't feeling him, looked away from camera. But Chauncey is ligit...2004 best underdog team of all time
Melo to Detroit would've been perfect for Melo himself, he would've learned from great leaders & veterans around him. When he went to Denver there was no direction with George Karl, Melo would be easily a top 10 all time caliber player.
There’s a lot of him in Mike Conley. A point guard who just cares about navigating his team to the win.
The Lakers weren’t connected as A Team!
Detroit was An Unbreakable Force that year!
It hurts until this day! I knew it as soon as we barely won game 1 off A Kobe last second 3‼️
I miss 2004 Detroit Pistons. #team
I watched him at Colorado beast Mr. Bigshot
He got a gud point
So strange that Chauncey Billups is the head coach for Portland Trail Blazers now. I thought it was going to be pretty good at first, but it kind of didn't go very well. Anybody have any thoughts on that?
If Melo went to the 04 Pistons, he would've already had two rings by now.
Should be a HOF
I love Chauncey but, I’m very skeptical about the stuff he was saying about Melo. Maybe the players on the team preferred him, but darko was the CLEAR consensus number 2 choice, and that’s among every team. He had CRAZY hype coming in that year, and there wasn’t any doubt about what the first 3 picks were gonna be, it was always lebron, darko, and then melo. There was always a rule about not passing up on size, and for a guy that could be a dominant versatile center like that, any other year he would have provably gone #1 but obviously with lebron in the same class, he went first, but people really forget how much hype darko had and that also for Detroit, they really didn’t have a traditional center so that choice made even more sense at the time.
I modeled how I played basketball off of that pistons team. I wasn’t elite in scoring or defense. I busted my ass in the gym to be a great teammate who could do a bit of each to make sure we won.
The Pistons were real smart mofos and a hell of defense, so beautiful to watch. They did it, they beat LA fair and square. I was rooting for the Lakers at the time but at the same time i hated how Kobe and Shaq were alone and left by most of their teammates (because they weren't ready for the Pistons plans and intensity). It was obvious Lakers players were waiting on Kobe and Shaq to score 40 pts each every game but it didn't happen, they were not in sink at all, too proud (especially Kobe) but what a shock it was though. It was also during these Finals i finally accepted Kobe wasn't really like MJ, he was already the closest ever but he just couldn't get to that same type of scoring frenzy MJ could by averaging 35-40ppg.during the Finals (wich are the most important games of the season).
They handled Shaq well because they had quality bigs, not scrub bigs - Ben, Sheed, Okur, Campbell, etc. I think they had Corliss too at that time.
B b b b billups!
Videos like this are why I always laugh when people try to use Finals MVPs or Stats to downgrade the Kobe or any NBA great. So many teams have schemes similar to this devised specifically to allow 1 of layer to shine in order to create separation or to place most of the scoring load on a single player.
Hearing greats like Chauncey & co break down this dynamic as a no brainer is refreshing as opposed to the toxic sports media that’s focused on micro analyzing statistics out of context.
Yup, like how kd got those fmvps over curry bcoz of better stats, but in reality, curry was guarded more heavily than kd
@@accountant3847 Exactly! Now imagine noobs 20yrs from now that never played at a high level & are young too young to actually watch the games saying “KD carried Steph.”
@@mbealhighjump kd didn't carry steph, but he was definitely the best player on the floor.
I know hindsight is 20/20 but I really don't see them winning the 04 championship if they had drafted Melo and Melo started over Prince. Prince was so integral to their defensive scheme. Rookie Melo could not guard Kobe the way Prince guarded him in the finals.
Name of Biggest Original 2000s SuperTeam : 😂😂🤣🤣
Pistons adapted defensively faster than the Lakers did offensively in the 2000s. Larry Brown's tight on ball/sagging everyone else defense had barely become legal in the NBA and they took full advantage of the Lakers poor court spacing.
That's one of those What-If draft mistakes that would've changed the whole league. On par with the Bowie-Jordan pick.
chauncey one of the smartest bball players of all time
W/ all due respect to Chauncey, I feel like the Pistons not taking Melo was the smart move. Carmelo was a superstar in Syracuse and would look to instantly be the best player on the squad as opposed to a unit whose best player can change every other game. Perhaps Larry Brown and the Pistons players can help shape Melo, but I doubt it.
I also think that Tayshaun being on the bench could be detrimental bc he was a lockdown defender from the perimeter while Carmelo was not. In fact, part of why the Pistons beat the Magic in 2003 was bc Prince hardly played the first 4 games. In the first 4 games, T-Mac averaged an absurd 36.3 PPG on 51.6% shooting with Prince only playing a grand total of 28 minutes. In the next 3 games, he played 72 minutes total and help hold McGrady to only 25.7 PPG on 36.1% shooting.
I still remember sheed playing his last game and wanted to take to the Ref. He was going to kill that ref.
2004 Pistons are the anomaly Champions of NBA history. The only team ever win a title without 1 player who ever made a 1st Team All-NBA in their entire career , no superstars. And they showed it was no fluke by going right back to the Finals the next year and taking the Spurs 7games.
Chauncey said how I felt. I thought it was wild how everyone saw the Pistons as massive underdogs while I'm sitting there thinking the Lakers don't have a chance in the world. How you gunna beat a team that you can't score against? Thought it was pretty obvious the Pistons would take them.
Most people saw the Lakers winning it all especially after beating the spurs. The narratives were Detroit doesnt have enough offense to beat them, Detroit needed 6 games to beat the Pacers & 7 games to beat the 47 win Nets so they have no chance against a Shaq & Kobe team that's looking for their 4th title in 5 yrs.
@jeffross9982 Teams were only scoring like 80 points if their lucky. Can't score then you won't win consistently and Pistons did the same thing to the Lakers that they did to the Pacers and Nets. Only difference is Pacers and Nets had better defense than the Lakers too and that showed in the finals