Testing This Electric Family Hauler’s Driver Assistance! Kia EV9 Takes On The Hogback Trials (HDA2)
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
- Kyle, Max, and Jordan take the Kia EV9 Light Long Range on our driver assistance challenge! Featuring some of the most challenging section of interstate in the country, HDA 2 is put to the test.
Link to the Hogback data spreadsheet:
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00:00 Hello & Welcome
01:40 Testing Procedures
08:41 Setting Up The Car
12:08 - Scoring System
14:49 - Medical Emergency Simulation - Driver Takeover Request
17:04 Initial Points
19:28 Additional ADAS Features
21:08 - Test Starts - First Half
39:24 - Second Half / Return Trip
56:07 - Final Score, Thoughts, Impressions
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Just got the GT line of the EV9 with all the fixings. We couldn’t be happier.
3:51 Ultrasonic sensors are not the equipment used for the rear cross traffic alert. There are two radar sensors located in the left and right corners of the rear bumper, which deliver the necessary data for the rear cross traffic alert and also detect the cars in the blind spot for your blind spot monitoring system.
Assuming the driver isn’t dying or incapable of driving, HDA 2 is a really useful system in daily driving. Works great from 0 mph to full speed and back to 0.
But so many other systems are also great for daily driving and don’t send you flying off the road or into something/someone if you become incapacitated. This type of behavior is unacceptable from a system like this.
@@pine111 Agreed its a bad choice. But I've used a lot of other cars driver asst features and this one is one of my favorites. It simply does it better than most (not all). Other than basic ACC, driver asst on my Volvo is a mostly useless gimmick. With the Kia, I can go for hours with lane centering doing the steering for me.
Yes, I have a cheaper Renault Megane E-Tech and if the driver does nothing, the car turns on the hazard lights, jolts, etc, and stops completely in a safe way The KIA's system in not acceptable at all...
I own a 2022 IONIQ 5 Limited with HDA2, and I use the ADAS all the time. It's definitely lacking in the communication department, but that's way less of an issue in cars with a HUD because you can see the green steering wheel icon turn grey/white in your peripheral vision.
It'll also hug the lane edges more than I'd like, though i really see it as an augment of driving rather than a replacement so thats easily correctable. It's also very sensitive to the clarity of lane-markings, and doesn't do as well in heavy rain because of that. Still, the system is really capable and good enough to trust on interstates.
I own a Palisade. This echoes my experiences.
I just want to say, you got me into EV and I thank you for it.
Thanks for confirming that OTA updates are covering real improvements!
This test is the only reason why I keep an eye on this channel. Keep'em coming!
The max steering angle cut-off is very dangerous, because it does exactly the worst thing in that situation: shoves you into another lane, oncoming traffic or off the road. Another 5-10 degrees would make a world of difference.
51:35 I find it so interesting it read the DO NOT PASS sign and displayed it on the dashboard
It reads YIELD and CORNER signs too. Many more too
I have an Ioniq 5 RWD and this looks pretty similar to my experience with HDA 2. Just drove from San Francisco to Seattle and back and it's overall competent, particularly on I-5. On the way back I went down 101 along the Oregon/California coast and i barely used HDA due to not being comfortable with it on those curvy coastal roads. Agree that it needs to notify you when it disables the auto steering, that is hardcore training to "pay attention or die" from Hyundai/Kia/Genesis 😅.
Thanks for this video! We are currently in the process of buying an EV9 from Fort Collins Kia and shipping to AL. It’s been a lengthy process but they have treated us very fairly on the price. Can’t wait to actually get it home to us!
Ty for ur decision
We just picked ours up and driving back to Oklahoma.
@@Mumble-s_Noodles Would have if we could, but its just too long a drive.
@@the_red_key8825 we enjoyed the trip without the kids. 😂
Thank you, Kyle, this was a great eye-opener regarding autonomous driving systems. All systems are not perfect, I appreciate you being honest and not one-sided. Love your channel!!!
I looked it this SUV, but i got me an R1S.
So happy I did. Ty for the video guys.
Both great choices. I came super close on the R1S. It had a lot of pros over the EV9 and basically all its peers, though driver asst is not one of them -- the Kia is better for that.
It looks like the KIA EV9 is the only KIA with Lane follow Assist #2! Even if other KIA's have HDA2, it looks like the EV9 is the only vehicle with the newer lane centering tech.
I’ve had thousands of miles of highway driving in an Ioniq 5 and find the HDA frightening. When it works it’s okay but when it randomly decides to turn off it’s frightening.
Yes this is the biggest negative. It sometimes just gives up and BOOM it's off, you're heading over a line.
Was waiting for this!
Love this content ❤ great job evaluating the tech in real live
This four camera setup was awesome!
Nice to see more EV9 videos.
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How’s this against the Rivian R1S?
I use HDA2 in my EV6 every chance I get. Though it does look like there have been some improvements since the EV9 version. I have lane changing assist but not auto lane change. I do like that it tends to err on the side of caution and give control back to the driver. Some people might see this as the system not being as confident as say Tesla autopilot but I felt like I had to fight autopilot in a Model Y more than I do in the EV6.
I thought Jordan would be chillin in the back row haha
Charging information when??? I know you said the footage was lost from the initial review, but geez, it's been months guys!
On one lane in each direction, I scooch toward the center when there are no oncoming vehicles, toward the edge when there are. And on multi lane roads, I scooch if there is a large speed difference, or much more crowded lane on one side or the other.
Rivian needs to catch up on driver +
The ONE reason I've found for the RPA (Remote Parking Assist) is to pull the vehicle straight forward after parking in an EXTREMELY tight garage at my MIL's house on a recent trip (
As for lane assist suddenly quitting, potentially sending the car into oncoming traffic - my 2017 eGolf does the same. I never understood why it would not simply put the hazards on and brake to a standstill. It can do that! Braking to standstill works fine with adaptive cruise.
Apparently HDA2 adds: Lane Change Assist (as noted in the video), Lane Follow Assist w/ Offset Driving (it'll shift within the lanes to maintain side-to-side distance) and a few more advanced ADAS/Forward Collision Avoidance Assist functions such as Junction Crossing, Lane Change Oncoming (steer back into lane when oncoming traffic detected), Lane Change Side (steer back into lane when vehicle detected beside you or is changing to the same lane as you), Evasive Steering Assist), (apparently will either change lanes or assist in lane changes when a collision can't be avoided and a swerve is needed to avoid collision)
Thanks for clarifying what the “automotive journalists” did not know. 😂
Lol this was a really fun video. Those critical failures were scary for sure, but overall impressive. I definitely struggle with that "so good until you die" sorry of scenario. I only have a pretty basic system in my Subaru, but I use it all the time. It usually gets my attention when it is failing, but definitely some close calls every once in a while - just rare enough that I can't anticipate them lol
The EV9 is doing what my '23 Niro does. As per the manual limited sight curves and hills are an issue for the HDA2. Driving on i90 west into Seattle and US26 East to Portland also I15 in Arizona (Virgin River Gorge) HDA2 helps but I will be in control on those roads. Straight roads and stop and go traffic HDA2 shines. Also the changing speeds limits can be an issue after construction was done years ago on I15, the car still slows from 70mph to 55mph, and on the mountain curves the car will slow for the curves but half way through the curve it will stated to speed back up to soon.
I saw this box on wheels in the wild today! 😎
The outline of the car, the profile, on the video reminds me of a model car I put together as a child; where I glued the pieces together. It was from the 1910s decade. Such as a 1914 Detroit Electric, or just any large car from the era. Trippy.
"Steering let go without warning" after a minute of audible and visible warnings.
I need one of these for the space for my kids.
You should try adding Comma AI to one of these. I had it on my Telluride and it was unbelievable - way better than factory for around $1500.
I second that thought!
you guys really digested this run, nice calling out the plusses and minuses
HDA (not 2) had speed limit adaption based on map and camera based detection on my 2022 Kia EV6 Light (RWD, 58 kWh small pack). I think it had US sensors but Did not have the lane change cameras in the dash, did not have “smart park,” and I think did have some kind of rear back up warnings but not the cross traffic alerts.
The VW ID4 has the feature of stopping the car putting in the flashers and unlocking the doors. Check it out.
I played with it for a few days and turned it all off. I guess I'm a control freak. 😂
33:06 and it’s required that a car drives in front of you which the Mercedes follows. Otherwise it does not work.
I totally agree on the Merrit. I like autopilot (and trial FSD) on i95 and the New Jersey Turnpike but I'm not a fan on the Merrit. I always drive on the Merrit. Autopilot for sure doesn't slow down for corners and it terrifies me...plus I do a lot of maneuvering when on the Merrit.
UK viewer, 4 year old cheap Chinese EV (MGZSEV) the MGPilot seems very similar to this, the curve capability seems similar, and the vehicle distancing IS shown graphically, 3 modes , with car in front only shown. Lane centring is less good. No auto lane change, but I use adaptive cruise all the time. Most Euro brands seem to use a standard Bosch pilot system.
I love Kia vehicles and plan to get this soon even though i have and like the Ariya but i think the ariya has HDA 2.5 and judging from this does alot better job with autopilot but still want that EV9 lol
visually it looks like a big kia soul
Have a Sonata Limited and use the smart park all the time to back car out of the garage when I pull my gas grill out.
But I love the collaborative driving in the Hyundai ADAS (you can override the system without it cutting off) as opposed to the Tesla systems that cut off if you touch anything.
Similar system in my 2024 Elantra Preferred (Canada) and similar performance of safety features.
I would like to see multiple speed limit settings. School zones at the speed limit, urban, freeway
It would be interesting to see you test Tesla on this again. It has become pretty jerky and weird on the FSD software. It brakes fairly hard into very mild corners, goes awkwardly slow, then jerks the wheel to recenter several times through a corner. In my experience, it's much worse than V11 for winding highway driving.
The basic auto steering behaves similarly on the FSD software branch. I don't know about the basic free version, because they forced the FSD branch on everyone for at least 30 days. As someone who bought the car in large part for the free autopilot it had when I got it, it's infuriating.
Look up Comma AI. It works for Tesla too.
Is this for 12.3 FSD?
Evening all
How does the Q8 2024 e-tron do on the hogback?
43:30 - Yeah, my spouse doesn't even use basic cruise control. I use full ADAS whenever available.
"If it works here it works everywhere". Yeah come here to Germany Schwarzwald. Here the streets are perfect for this kind of tests 😁👍
Well in theory it pulled over to a shoulder when you did the unresponsive test. Just would have been the wrong shoulder and would have been brief before going over the edge.
How do other cars with driver assistance handle when 1 lane opens up into 2 lanes without the dotted lines starting immediately, such as the I-25 southbound lanes between Mead and Longmont/Firestone? In the left lane it splits into 2 and Tesla never handles that properly and centers in between both lanes until the dotted lines start again and then freaks out for you to take control.
In European countries, traffic is required to keep to the right side of the road, and this applies to highways as well. This means that when driving in Europe, you should drive your car on the right side of the lane, not in the centre. So for me it is strange to see that you keep your can in the centre. Safe travels!
The laws are different about keeping to the right in each state. In my home state of Illinois that stay on right gets enforced hard. Lots of other states are pretty lax about that.
Surround view is a requirement for a vehicle that big. I’d hate to have to park that beast without it.
The 360 view is fantastic on the higher trims. Far more control and options that I have had on previous vehicles of similar size.
Have to say, +5 for capacitive wheel and only -3 for a no-notice disengagement that could send you off a cliff seems backwards to me.
You should shoot videos in 60fps
23:01 Tbh, these lane markings are terrible
In the real sense, what is the use of this self driving system if its going keep you on your toes worried about its eminent failure?
Capacitive wheel shouldn’t zero out the demerits of the car yeeting you across the highway if you pass out driving…
FSD S V12 is the king. I’ve been daily driving FSD from the beginning and it’s now next level competent. Take it on this challenge.
you will go to jail if Tesla runs over someone during FSD. until Tesla takes full responsibility instead of the driver, its same shit
Capacitive wheel is def. worth 5 pts. Anything less in 2024 should be unacceptable.
Another Kia EV9 review!!! 😆
I remember when the first KIA's came to Europe, this brand has really improved!
6:25 more important than the hp is the torque.
+5 points for a capacitive steering wheel, but only -3 if the vehicle tries to kill you and your family. Not sure of the sense of any of that. Probably time to revisit and rebalance these numbers.
We want to see the latest version of tesla's fsd complete the hogback
It only offsets 10mph over the speed limit? Boo. I need at least 15. #California
So sketchy? lol it was beeping for like 40 seconds lol. Tesla just stops as well no safety. Just kicks off the driving but you’re still going into a wall
They should make a carnival BEV
That would be awesome!!
Perfect car except DC chargıng problem
This sort of test is interesting and valuable as technology exploration and for entertainment. But please do not make conclusions like "it is ambiguous when the driver is in control or when the car is in control" - because it is not ambiguous - YOU, the driver is always in control and requires full attention, the driver assistance systems are there to simply assist and be used as aid, not a replacement for attentive driver. In conjunction with a driver HDA can allow for a better and safer driving experience in difficult situations, like keeping centered on a very narrow road or in low light environments where the lack of aid causes unnecessary strain and stress for the driver.
This comment is nonsensical - which simply underscores that the technology is currently in the "unhappy valley" of Level 2 autonomy. What, exactly, is the "assistance" being give to a driver who is required to stay in complete control? If your grip on the steering wheel is sufficient to "stay" in control, the system basically won't be doing anything useful - you'll get more tired anticipating/fighting/acquiescing to the system's steering inputs than you will if you just drive yourself. And if you relax your grip - which is plainly the intended use - then you are not fully in control. Kia's system needs some refinement, but it's also the case that this level of autonomy is the worst of both words: enough autonomy to lull the driver into thinking the car can handle curves/traffic on its own, but only when you're ready to jump. back in at a millisecond's notice - which only comes once you're veering into another lane. That's precisely the task humans are bad at,
Autopilot & FSD are the Best.
HDA2 is better than regular Autopilot for sure. FSD is next level.
Jag and Land Rover are TATA run by INDIA or something
Maybe you should spend some time on Kia‘s website and understand trim levels and options before you make a video like this…
Do you guys realize how objectively silly these complications seem to anyone who just wants to start the car and drive it?
Is it silly if a TV station reports about someone that passes out and drives off a cliff because the vehicles safety features drove the person off the cliff instead of just stopping the car
I have a much older MDX that slows the car down if I don’t keep my hands on the steering wheel. For all the positives with the EV9, Kia should implement an emergency stop.
A lot of people don't drive fast 22:11
The sad thing is that Jaguar and MG are now no longer British vehicles. Just like all the other electric vehicles, they’re Chinese!!
Actually, Jaguar Landover is owned by Tata motors, an Indian company... But yeah, no longer British, which is pretty sad actually...
Made in America
It's all good. Until it tries to kill you.
The perfect car is stick shift with abs and traction control and maybe a reverse camera anything else is pointlessly trash to me. I guess im stuck with my early 2000 cars 😅
……..I like th kiss theory
The only problem is that it’s a Kia rather than something else with a Euphemism name. The English motorists prefer European vehicles with European names.
Kia boys will steal it😢