Do Socialists Just Want To Take Your Stuff?
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How many times have you heard the claim that socialism sounds good in theory, or that socialists are just lazy, or that socialists want to take your stuff? I'm sure you've lost count by now. I have too. That's why I made this week's video - it's intended to be a resource for the people who make these misguided claims about socialism and help them understand why they're incorrect.
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Yes. My political project as a communist is the expropriation of all toothbrushes.
Jokes on you. I don't use what is commonly known as a toothbrush.
Not my paw patrol™ toothbrush!!
I use then to comb my Eyebrows 🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸
my political project as a socialist is to expropriate everyones mom.
to seize the means of reproduction.
@@Praisethesunson Cringe toothbrush detected, removal protocol active
The fact that no one owns hardly anything nowadays and they still think they’re the ones that would be targeted in a “redistribution of property” 😆😆
I mean, it's a solid scare-tactic: the less people have, the more protective they're likely to be of whatever they _do_ have, and so the harder they'll fight against anyone they've been convinced are trying to take it away.
I've yet to meet a single socialist who has any suggestion at all for real world economic policy that isn't "Let's just raise taxes" followed by a bunch of delusions about how the taxes will only magically hit the rich people who don't pay fucking taxes.
@@SolarShado Ye while in reality socialist are trying to give them stuff. What we want is that every one rewarded equaly for hard work and punished for harming others with greed.
@@kestutisvedegys7820 Sounds good, but what if I work harder than you?
We rent even our clothes and furniture nowadays…
One thing I'd mention is that America's decline in consumer goods quality was a slow one. I'm 39, and my mom was 39 years older than me so she graduated in 1958 (she skipped 2 grades, so she graduated at 16). Although she passed away 4 years ago, I still have all her working electronic beauty products like those giant chrome massagers and she got her first hair dryer in 1954, and it still works.
Capitalism figured out how to export cheap labor and make crap products that die in less than a decade now.
I'm 20 and there are multiple electronics/products in our household that work perfectly fine and are older than me. New stuff really is shittier, even I noticed that. I remember being in 6th grade (~11y old) , getting my first smartphone (an LG Optimus Black, I love that thing). Back then you could just pop off the plastic on the back of the phone, switch the battery if needed and you'd have a perfectly working phone. Nowadays, take the IPhone 13 for example. God forbid that thing fails because they've made it a royal pain in the ass to take it apart, and the thing won't even work if you replaced the damaged parts with perfectly working, original IPhone 13 parts. You have to take it to them, just so they can squeeze as much money out of you as possible, god forbid you fix anything yourself. And that's just the example with phones, just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm pretty sure capitalism is a big reason why minimalism is getting so popular in recent years. We have less money to spend, and stuff doesn't last. Buy less, and if you need something rarely, it is better to rent/borrow as it wont last long, and it would take up more space in our homes that are getting smaller as we need to cut living expenses.
My car (1960 Chevy Corvair) is sixty-two years old and still works (until I took the gas tank out). The only parts I've had to replace so far are the common consumable ones and some things damaged long before I had it. This car was a farm car in North Dakota for years and somehow has only surface rust. The drivetrain is all analog and easy to work on. I couldn't imagine working on a car made today. Everything is proprietary and overengineered to the point that it is not serviceable by even a good mechanic.
"Capitalism figured out how to export cheap labor and make crap products"
Capitalism invented those products, created a market for those products, and mass produced those products. Those products took decades to appear in socialist countries, and always as cheap knockoffs that died in weeks.
If people actually want products that last longer, capitalism will make it. But people don't want those things, they rather buy it cheap and replace it. Nothing to do with capitalism; without capitalism those products either wouldn't have been created, or wouldn't be mass-affordable.
@@humankirk9196 yet in Cuba, most people who drive do it in American cars from the 50s. And Russians are driving USSR made cars from back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. A demand for goods produces products, it doesn't matter if it's in Venezuela, Cuba, the US, or 1930s Germany.
Speaking as a fifty four year old English Anarchist, may I just say that your videos are a source of hope for me. It is deeply encouraging to see a young American understanding and educating, in an un-patronising way, many of the principles I have been screaming at ineducable ears for, well, forty years or so. _I would love to know if you've done a deep dive into how shareholders are the parasites upon society that society can no longer afford to support, but you have too much output to search through!._
as a 21 year old i can confidently say there is a potentially game changing amount of people in my generation who see things this way :) we were not born with the luxury of time on our side and that pressure is definitely mounting for us
Here's some good moving forward ideas for critically thinking people to possibly adopt: Abolish Wall St., Abolish Billionaires, Abolish The Supreme Court, Abolish Capitalism (at least start with unrelenting criticism of the systemic violence of the capitalist system)!
We can advocate and build a better world if we know the truth, we know the viable alternatives and we have some basic common values. I think people do have enough common values to want to move forward, but living in capitalist society our entire lives means most people don't have the truth and knowledge about viable alternatives, like a Natural Law Resource Based Economy.
At this stage, I believe education of the people to try and reach a critical mass of motivated economic revolutionists is key. I've heard reports of it only taking about 2.5% of a population for a movement to be successful in at least achieving some goals and getting mainstream attention that can push it forward into full-scale revolution. We can try to get there by open conversation.
@@dklee.01 I'm 67 now, and am definitely looking forward to young people like you gaining power. I see quite a lot of young folks on the other side of the spectrum too, so it looks like things will not change without a struggle.
I'm a 33 year old American, and I'll call myself some kind of Libertarian socialist. He does it better than me.. but I've been using a somewhat in depth explanation of how the transition from Feudal to capitalist systems really just resulted in a decentralization of the land-monopoly-based power of the Crown, reassigning it to whoever can make land private property first... And it seems to fall on deaf ears, which is why I am glad he uses the same example, but explains it with less anger, as well as less information for people to process..
Hell yes comrade. I'm a 26 year old Libertarian Marxist and JT may be from a different socialist tendency than us but he is incredibly on point with his analyses. I'm glad to see another libertarian socialist here.
“People who think they're free in this world just haven't come to the end of their leash yet.”
― Michael Parenti
Great quote! I haven't heard that one before, it is very astute.
Also his quote on fascism is pretty important. Most people in Nazi Germany didn't care they were living under fascism and probably benefitted from it anyway. If you weren't Jewish, queer, disabled, or a socialist, there wasn't really any reason to not be a proud Nazi. And that ultimately is the problem. Any attempt to convince those who benefit from oppression that they don't will fall on deaf ears.
@@ashkitt7719 Perspective is a bitch that way.
Modern American MAGA mentality can be boiled down to- "got mine, fuck you."
100%
@@loturzelrestaurant I look at systems as what works and what doesn't work, what makes sense and what doesn't make sense. Apparently, I have more time to think about common sense than most people because I can see that we need to get off the monetary-market system. That's the crux of the problem because money, these days, is so coercive and toxic to people's health, it isn't sustainable. Now, we could use socialist policies to get to a place where we don't need money and markets. Via a UBI or Guaranteed Livable Income in Care Jobs that takes the power away from the capitalists and puts it in our collective hands for more autonomy.
It probably takes 50 years to seen transition take place. But what we do now in the next 5, 10, 15 years can make a big difference, you know?
I never understood the argument that socialists are lazy when capitalists do nothing and live off the labour of others.
Edit: Thanks for the 1k likes and comments. Good to see so many people are on board with this.
It’s the capitalist lazy argument. Kind of ironic.
For real!! You see YT adds about "passive income" and it's like your calling socialists lazy??? CEOs make passive income ON TOP of what they make managing a company.
Psychological projection.
"socialism is utopian" people trying to explain how capitalism works when under a perfect free market that is objectively impossible,
but nah, we're the utopians with impossible ideas, somehow
ikr? You can be a hard working laborer working for 10 years and one hefty capitalist with his dad's assets can manipulate them with a few smart clicks to generate as much income in let's say a month (buy low, sell high) to make as much as that laborer but without contributing anything useful to the society (just being a middlemen parasite)
Imagine karl marx comes back from the dead and is like “nah fams i totally wanted your toothbrushes”
In my literature class, when we were doing Animal Farm, my teacher was explaining Socialism (badly) and she said that in Socialism, you can't own a toothbrush. I burst out laughing.
Oh noooooooo 😭 lol
You can’t own means of production. The problem is I can think of at least a couple of ways you can use a toothbrush as a mean of production.
Best part: the book is written by a socialist.
Oh for crying out loud.
@@arnaubasulto4448 so, you don't understand what is mean of production
Sad that this has to be explained - socialist goals have been purposely obfuscated and is going to take a lot of agitation and education to unlearn. JT - if you are reading this comment, I hope you take this video idea into consideration: the cause of crime, particularly elevated crime levels in cities. A lot of people I know have a misguided understanding of crime and its roots and I think this would be a very educational video for most people.
Amazing idea for a video, crime is one of the most common pro-police argument.
Elevated crime directly related to elevated poverty .
CityNerd did a great video a couple weeks ago debunking the urban vs. rural crime myth. Not quite what you're asking for but certainly an interesting video.
Very good
This!! A lot of people will always be against gun control, living in cities, freeing certain incarcerated populations or other positive changes to the way we live because of "crime," without considering the circumstances that leads people to crime. An in-depth explanation would be greatly appreciated.
On top of it being confusion over what's private property vs personal property, McCarthy was also there to heavily exacerbate that misconception.
I think the term should be amended to make it clearer. I'm sure the purists will object but it's such low hanging fruit. Why handicap yourself out of the gate.
@@IshtarNike I agree with you- especially since private property has an already established and more widely accepted definition in the US
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It goes back even further than McCarthy. Teddy Roosevelt's mild, pro-capitalist progressivism during his term (1901-1908) was decried as socialist too. The intentional conflating of establishment centrist, pro-capitalist welfare programs with socialism has been a tradition dating back at least 120 years.
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I really can't believe how often we have to explain that nobody wants their grandma's toothbrush.
Remember that under socialism u will have to share your toothbrush with shtalin
But I want grandma's toothbrush and toothpaste :(
But they want my small Business and replace it with a large government run state enterprise and force me to work under some incompetent manager. No thank you.
The real solution is to work for yourself, do not employ anyone.
it's hard to believe that the value of most of our stuff is the equivalence of a toothbrushs value to the people who's stuff would be taken...lol
@@EvonyNinj 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. That was hyperbole. But thank you for demonstrating you don't know the difference between private property and personal property.
We aren't talking about your house or your car either. We're talking about land held by private investment corporations, We're talking about the places where you earn your living belonging to you and your coworkers.
You absolute biscuit!
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” ― Henry Ford
The very same reason we are put in a rigged school system that conditions us to be the good worker bees.. they want us stupid and busy …
My teacher actually told me in the Soviet Union you had to share your toothbrush with all the people. I specifically asked.
based
Did you laugh in their face?
@@IshtarNike No, I was 12 and was totally shocked about the communists (that was 1988 or so).
I would have just started laughing uncontrollably
Same
I love this video, but i think its also important to acknowledge that this belief is a result of intentional capitalist propaganda, not just ignorance.
But you would think people would self educate themselves
@@detailed_data4PSN Why would people educate themselves on a topic they think they already know?
@@guy-sl3kr Because most people in this country don't understand What Socialism actually is especially the Marxist point of view, they don't view it as a science.
@@detailed_data4PSN oh, to believe things like that
@@detailed_data4PSN as a person who was a capitalist, this is the reason I avoided the idea of socialism for a long time. Young teens, mostly leaning very left would many times turn me off the idea with insults thrown at capitalists and people on the right.
I do nowadays understand where the criticisms are coming from but please try to understand the other side, communications is the key to change someone's mind, not insulting and name throwing.
This video is a great example, instead of calling capitalists stupid, it just points out where the misunderstanding lies, it "communicates" why capitalists are wrong. Learn a thing or 2 from this video
“Communism is when no toothbrush!!!” bruh I cannot 😭
One Thing I feel is important to mention about the John Deere subject. You said something to the effect of "wanna fix your tractor? gotta pay me to unlock the software first" but they wouldn't even let farmers pay them for the repair software, it just wasn't available outside of their repair facilities. meaning if you relied on their equipment but were far away from their facilities and it broke, you were fucked
@@darrennew8211 I keep finding ya spewing nonesense. I have 2 brother and my father high end mechanics both brother can do full electronics repair of anything that moves rractors included as our cousin is big farmed that asks them ofther for help. Building new tractor with systems and everythong cost wooping 25000 dolars. Nowhere even remotely close to hundreds and were talking high end tractor with Ai.
*Capitalist cackling in corner*
@@darrennew8211
Ok, I report you for misinformation
@@darrennew8211 its same as medicine production cost cents, but they sell it for thousand. But I mean you are some one that got everything bought for him just becauze you were lucky so theres no way you would accept the fact that capitalism is just a global scam.
Thanks God John Deere is by far not the only tractor-selling bussiness.
I know someone who uses his facebook account to spew propaganda, one of the very last ones I saw before unfollowing him was "Socialists want everything from you except your job" and I explained to him that a socialist would already be employed and as such would not need his job. Well.... THAT pissed him off...
They're stupid! People told them this and they never bothered to study it themselves and are impervious to facts. It's a shamed and we're all doomed.
Yet you’re Facebook a capitalist company the hypocrisy
Bold of you to assume the modern Socialist actually works for a living
Great video, actually having socialism explained has changed my view on it after always being told “oh it’s great but just not possible”
True, We love our phones too much to care about a how bad/good the country is 🤣😂🤣
''Speaks in American'
Thats because they didn't mention the amount of debt being used to fund it. And no increasing taxes doesn't fix that as it actually lowers revenue brought in by those taxes.
@@olstar18 because Trillions in the military and in bail-outs are better
@@olstar18 well yeah, capital needs the government to keep functioning. Who comes to your house when you haven't paid your mortgage? It's not the company, it's the police.
This is definitely one of the most accurate and at the same time the most anti-capitalism and pro-socialism video I've seen in English language. From an American! And it's not disliked to abyss, on the contrary! I guess this shows how the things are in the world and especially in the USA. Keep up the good work! Greatings from the "Empire of evil" :)
America is going to become syndicalist by 2030. 40% of Americans are socialist, out of those, 70% are anarchists.
Why would you call your own country that?
"Empire of Evil"
You don't sound like you're from the United States
You didn’t answer why are you calling your own mother land an empire of evil?
hello from america. things are looking up, but there are still lots of jocks and meatheads and they're still the ones in power.
I hate being accused of that I'm lazy, only because I'm for a fair wage and against a dictatorship in companies
I hate those damn dictatorships that I can leave anytime I want!
Seriously, read a book.
@@AusUFCCards Leave and starve, yeah, nice choice
@@Pascal_Mueller Get another job?
In the beginning when you were for real explaining that socialism doesn't mean taking all your stuff I actually thought it was a joke ... well until I realized that there are probably enough people out there thinking exactly that ^^
Billionaires pay millionaires to tell me that Socialism means taking away my daily triple bacon Machamburgers.
after decades of government propaganda on everything that is social because of the Soviets
@@Praisethesunson Except you also have billionaires paying millionaires to tell you the opposite.
@@olstar18 where? where are the mainstream socialist news outlets funded by billionaires?
@@olstar18 just stop fella. U aren’t very good at this
This also made me think about political campaign fundraising and how corporations will always have a massive hand in our politics because of it.
It's way easier to make one call and get $100,000 than reach out to every individual voter.
This channel and CCK Philosophy have really made Socialism understandable and digestible to the masses!!! Keep up the great work Comrade!!!
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It’s the future. Just like feudalism went away, capitalism will too go away too.
Capitalism is the ultimate pyramid scheme
@@KarlMarxFanClub People will always want to own what they work for. That sentiment will never go away.
People aren't going to work for free. Even in Feudalism that didn't happen.
@@MrDIRTDIVER212 the queens and kings laighed too before chopchop came knocking.
👍 I truly love when people point out that capitalism is truly cannibalistic when you reach its logical conclusion of maximal profit. Thank you so much for all your work!
Except that ignores the other part of capitalism. Competition. You may want to maximize profits however that leaves space for a competitor to come in with a better price.
@@olstar18 And yet time and time again, we all see the tendency of prices to constantly rise in capitalist economies. Unless you're gonna tell me that "real capitalism" hasn't been done yet
@@olstar18 capitalism is dying comrade. Accept it. It’s a trash system
@@olstar18 Did you watch the video? We are talking about how maximizing profits involves suppressing wages and benefits to workers in the long run. You can claim that competition for labor should solve this, but that is not what we see in the real world. Instead what we see is that the need to suppress wages and benefits to maximize profits is something every company eventually has to resort to in order to continue maximizing profit. If they don't the competition will and eat them. So all the companies end up doing it even if they are not "colluding".
@@guy-sl3kr Thats called inflation. If my expenses go up because everything is more expensive am I required to lose money.
So many people go out of their way to not understand the difference between personal, private and public property. Several times I've been told that they don't care about "my" definition and then get angry about wanting to call their house private property (implying they're renting when they actually owned) instead of personal. The Dissonance is very real in some.
Tbf the overwhelming majority of those houses were taken from landlords who exploited their tenants and prevented people from owning their own homes
@@AJX-2
The only time that would have happened is if those houses were being used as means of production. That's why apartments were seized, but not from the people living in them, but by the people who owned them.
No one was being evicted or made homeless.b
Are or are you not allowed to own a house in socialism?
@Arturow Few in my generation can own one under capitalism. So I say let it burn so I can have secure shelter as I age and produce for a company that keeps the equivalent of 6x everyone's earnings on minimum wage earnings past profit. And yes we are in the process of unionising to get access to this vast wealth we produce to hopefully have a future.
@@danbeaumont5742 houses are unaffordable because of government regulations. Socialism let's you live in a broken rundown house that you pay rent for. I grew up in socialist Germany. We had nothing. Your generation will be the ones who will create the hard times we needed to create strong man. Strong man despise socialism
I really love your videos, I like that you keep talking with easy terms and the subjects flow without stopping so it's really easy to follow :)
considering that a tiny minority of people control vast swathes of resources, only the CEOs, oil oligarches, and elite businessmen have anything to lose. This should immediately tell you who propagated this claim, and who the conservative hivemind are truly defending.
The 4 richest men own more than the poorest 4 billion people combined.
@Zaydan Naufal Well I better pull my bootstraps and get that sigma mindset.
@@Praisethesunson Actually? I’m curious where you got that statistic because it sounds so wack
@@athenaclark2567 Simple math. I did the calculations and I got a little less 10 million years, but it's pretty close. You just take the amount of money Jeff Bezos has (144.4 billion dollars) divide that by 7.25 (the minimum wage). That's how you get the number of hours you'd have to work. Then you divide that number by 8, the number of hours in a work day, and then divide that by 260, the amount of work days in a year. Of course if you work for longer you would get 144.4 billion dollars sooner, but for it to make a significant difference the company you're working for would have to break a lot of labor laws, and probably wouldn't mind lowering the amount they pay you. Also if you wondering, if you worked every hour of every day, it would still take you 2 million years to reach Jeff Bezos's wealth.
@@willowberecki I think you replied to the wrong person haha
As a person who isn't a socialist, I do want to take your stuff
You want to… Literally steel it?
@@tyruskarmesin5418 lmao
@Pushiswin deal
@CDNU our stainless steel
Thank you for an excellent explanation! Even though I consider myself socialist, I didn't have a good grasp of the distinction between private property and personal property. I watch you on Nebula, so just came over here to say thanks!
yo, is nebula available for 10$/month? cause that shit's too expensive for me
I liked the distinction he explained as well. I've come across many confused capitalist defenders and they use the fear-mongering line "socialists will take all our private property" and now I have a better understanding between private and personal property.
Nobody wants your toothbrush. Private means of production is killer, slave-trade and dictatorial. Unhealthy and unsustainable. We need that to change if we hope to live in a sustainable, healthy, free society in the future.
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That comment about a minimum wage worker not being able to afford even a one-bedroom apartment really hit home for me personally. I make roughly double minimum wage, and, even if my hours weren't minimal like they currently are, I would still struggle to just barely pay rent, let alone the rest of my cost of living.
Silly you, socialism is when you take others people's money, as opposed to capitalism, where you keep all of your labor value and successful people are hard workers (sarcasm)
I guarantee you aren't successful
I've always maintained that you are one of the most important creators on this website, but this is the most enlightening and essential video you have ever made. Thank You.
He really is up there, so important in the way he delivers this information
No, you just need to leave your cult of entitlement.
It too bad the people who really need to see this won’t take the time.
I use to work in a shop, long time ago when I was young and even had hair, where we have a sign that went :"In this place there are two kind of people: the workers who know everything and the bosses".
The bosses were the representative of the owners and when these owners tried to have this sign removed from their property we made sure that if the truth is so uncomfortable for them, we will stop working until they'll loose their profitable business.
The sign was removed during the dictatorship and over time the owners lost their business due to the rapacity of the dictators.
We,the workers (who knew how to run the business), ended up emigrating to more favorable countries with our knowledge and capacities.
Amazing work as always amigo, keep they coming.
Greetings from Toronto.
I get people don't want that 'doom and gloom' lingering over them, because it is an uncomfortable way to live, but reality is harsh. Society needs to stop pretending the problems aren't as big as they are, and some doom and gloom as good at getting people to do something.
Great video.
Doomerism is cringe tho. Revolutionary optimism is what we need
A potentially valid example-business wise. I own and operate my own small restaurant. Under socialism, as long as I am the one operating and generating value, it's my personal property. If I want to expand beyond what I can operate on my own, I'd have to either partner with someone that shares my aims with the business or 'hire' someone and fairly share with them the value they create.
I'm honestly happy with either option.
Thank you for sharing from a business owners perspective. I think we all want fair wages. I dislike how he views that all workers must own a share of the business. It’s a crazy notion because the workers have no risk if the business fails besides losing work which they are free to quickly replace. Their labor only has excess value capacity because of the capital that you and your business provides. Would you agree?
@@dunerider88 I don't necessarily agree, I think you're missing the mark somewhat because you are still approaching the discussion from a purely capitalistic point of view. Take my business for example. I am at no risk of failure due to lack of labor, because I supply 100% of the labor required to maintain operation. If my busi3were to expand to a point where more labor is required, I absolutely believe that anyone I bring on would be entitled to the excess profits generated by their labor, as well as a say in the way those profits are generated. Because I want my business to be contributing to improving the quality of life of my community, rather than it being a tool to exploit the labor of others in order to enrich myself.
If I were to make that expansion and was suddenly met with an inability to find the labor to support that level of business, I still would not be at risk because again, it is already designed to maintain on my labor alone, I'd simply scale it back to where it is now and continue on.
This, from a business prospective is in my opinion the biggest difference between capitalism and socialism. Capitalism relies on one group of individuals extorting the labor of another group of individuals in order to enrich themselves, while (in a best case scenario) contributing something to raising the general standard of living. Socialism is the framework by which we all work together to direct our labor towards maintaining and raising the general standard of living.
@@dunerider88 I think I understand what you're saying. In an ideal situation, entrepreneurs would not need to take on debt to grow a business. Rather, businesses would only grow if there is a demand for them; if they provide something needed in society. So, no risk exists for anyone in the business with regards to debt.
However, this is an idealized version of how a company could grow in a socialist market, and it likely won't exist for some time. In the transition between capitalism and socialism, companies will still need to take out loans to finance operations. Furthermore, there is legal culpability. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that many workers would not be okay if we told them that they could be held legally and financially responsible for the actions of the company as a whole. The entrepreneur definitely adds value by taking these responsibilities on and should be compensated for it.
However, is that value really worth the degree which entrepreneurs are compensated? Is it really worth the entire equity of the firm? I don't believe it is. Furthermore, many workers may choose to take on that extra responsibility if they were compensated a little extra for it. I think a kind of modified limited liability company would work well with the socialist model. Essentially, you would have two tiers of workers: those who wish to collect a wage equal to the value generated by their labor alone, and those who wish to collect a wage equal to the value generated by their labor plus the value generated by their willingness to take on financial and legal risk. But it would be everyone's choice, and the differential in pay would not be as severe as we see it now.
As it is now, entrepreneurs alone have the choice to reap the benefits of taking on risk, and they don't seem too keen to let other people in on it. Mustn't be all that bad if you ask me.
if you pay any of your employees less than yourself, then you are still part of the problem.
a surgeon has more pride than a janitor, also more respect from the community.
to any decent person that should be reward enough, why should they ALSO be paid ten times as much ?
"It's my personal property"
In other words, you're now a rich person and you'll have your vast amounts of wealth redistributed to people who need it more.
There's not a single reason a business owner should support Socialism when all Socialism would do is send someone from the government into your restaurant to happily inform you that you now don't own the business anymore and that the government does.
My colleague is a 60+ year old Cuban immigrant. Came to Australia as a 13yo. He thinks because he’s Cuban that he has a better insight into Socialism than anyone else (He’s pro-capitalism). He tried to tell me that in Cuba, if you have more cutlery and crockery than what you need for how many people are in your house, and the bloke down the street has none, they come and make you give your spares to him. So then if you have people over you don’t have enough. 🤦♂️ I don’t bother discussing politics with him anymore.
What if that’s actually what he went through though?
@@themonsterwithin4000 It still isn’t socialism, which protects the personal property of the individual. Under actual socialism, the man down the road wouldn’t be living without basic utilities in the first place.
@@LeBatteur oh, that’s right. Just like with the communism. No one has it done right yet. But the next guy will.
I would call it humanity. one must first meet the basic needs of all, including the old and the sick, before the single healthy worker can have more. it's not about everyone having exactly the same personal possessions. nevertheless it must have been hard in cuba. You can't save for education or self-employment when too many sick people around you need your savings to survive. this can lead to hopelessness and illnesses such as alcoholism in the workers own family. socialism in a rich country where there is enough for everyone is clearly different.
@@themonsterwithin4000 I doubt it. That’s not how it works.
Really like how so many core concepts are condenced in a short video, with everyday examples, not just dry jargon and theories.
Damn... at the last part about owning something and not needing to replace it in 3 years... It sounds too good to be true in our damned system, even though it was done in the past, and can DEFINITELY be done now.
But think of the shareholders!! Do you think the cocaine budget for executives just funds itself?!?!
@@Praisethesunson well, those shareholders can ALSO enjoy an unbreakable hairdryer! :)
@@dogestcreature I just checked with them. Their $3,000 hair dryer already lasts that long. They also said they prefer cocaine over better consumer products for the filthy rabble. Then they had me arrested for trespassing.
Man, watching how capitalism is step by step abolishing personal property in the technology area via software licenses and the like while listening to people saying that without capitalism you wouldn't be able to own stuff is just so ironic...
The Argument with Worker cant buy the things they produce is so true, im working for a Sauna Seller/Producer, and i will never be able to buy one myself. As a matter of facts i cant buy anything anymore, im neck deep in debt, and i can barely afford anything... Im from Austria btw so its not a US only thing...
And I assume there's nothing wrong you did with your personal finances? It's just bad universe that picks on you?
what really sucks in canada is that self-employed people get charged more interest on mortgage and more for mortgage insurance. so if you try to be self-reliant, they don't trust you and punish you.
but according to socialists the problem is the capitalist (owners & bosses), not the corporativist( the ones that makes & pay for laws)
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Which, STEMS from capitalism.
They don’t appear out of nowhere. Smh
Yep that’s Socialism
@@theswampfisher3253 No, that is capitalism.
In a socialist system, all these rules would be discussed democratically. And they would be modifiable all the time, if the people express the desire to change it.
This might be your best video yet, completely clear, to the point, and you didn't use too many words that will scare the libs. Will definitely use this to deprogram
sneaky bastard 😏
Deprogram?
As a socialist myself, I'm quite sure that I don't want to take your stuff. I want to take Jeff Bezos's stuff. I want to take the Waltons' stuff. I want to take the Koch Brothers' stuff. I want to take Bill Gates's stuff. If Forbes Magazine doesn't know your name, you're not the sort of person whose stuff I'm interested in redistributing.
Aw, I have some pretty good stuff. I have some extra toothbrushes and everything.
At first I was like: The Waltons, but they were pretty charitable for being around during the depression. Then I remembered Walmart was a thing and Sam's shitty kids burned down the principles he may have started with.
And why would you be happy just taking Jeff Bezos' stuff
And you might be happy just taking Jeff's stuff; but the guy behind you who is also a Socialist might not feel the same way.
See, I do not believe you. Eventually someone will come for my small business. And see all the personal property I have because of it, and take it.
And force me to work in a large state owned company. Under some incompetent foreman who got the job because he is popular and not necessarily competent. No thank you. I do not do team work.
@@darrennew8211 you got skills contradictimg yourself well. Woth my own money while the money comes from renteaning not your own money. You are sort of person that should have stuff taken from. Damn impresive how people that harms other consider themselfs hard working. Come back when you built 4 houses using your own salary to pay workers and buying materials. Cause using bank and the rent to buy houses ain't business its stealing oportunity.
Just imagine the amount of unnecessary waste that would be avoided if our industries were geared for the best product rather than the bare minimum to keep the revolving door of currency moving.
Yes! So much trash is generated and so many resources burned through when you have to rebuy your tools instead of fixing them.
another point to make it that socialism can encourage facism by centralization or discourage innovation but businesses under socialism can invest in the real problems and needs of the people not artificially generating needs and wants profit is still there if your business is actually needed and demanded by the people and it also encourage others to seek out the same for themselves.capitalism does favour entrepreneur but it doesn't favor the initial aspiration for the business in the long run
When McCarthyists describe Capitalism, they describe Capitalism in fantasy.
When McCarthyists describe Socialism, they describe Capitalism in reality.
Dude, a million thanks for taking the time to explain this stuff in an objective and nonjudgmental way. Too often, it seems to me, people with political ideas treat others as if those others have different ideas merely because they are immoral or stupid. Thankya, thankya.
Under socialism, You will need to share your toilet paper with the whole apartment house.
Propaganda has shrunk your mind to the possibilities.
@@melissashupe5732 I think this person was making a joke(unless you yourself have made a joke)
W deprogrammed reference
@@shinwaffle767 indeed
@@the32bitguy yeah it's a joke lmao
In the United States, some people confuse the word socialism with the idea some things like Healthcare should be considered infrastructure.
I told my husband, “socialism means no toothbrush!” He looked at me bewildered and asks, “why?!” LoL totally thought I was serious and then we watched this video
Thank you for having an open mind. Hard to find on the Internet.
@speedracer9132 Those are proper relationship goals right there! I love that!
Never before have I hit the bell button so shortly after discovering a channel. What a good voice on the net! Thanks for the content, looking forward to plow it! Best wishes Joakim out of Stockholm
Every video of yours is a treasure. Thank you, Second Thought.
Financing common goods, inflation and shit wages are a common thing in my country, Argentina. Back in 2016 my salary used to be around 1200 USD per month working as a stocker in a school supplier. Now I work in a tech company, and I get paid around 450 USD. I'm honestly thankful for my salary even though it's nowhere near to what I used to get paid, because I know a lot of people get paid way less and their work conditions are utter crap.
Also, take note that for the coming World Cup, we can now purchase smart TVs and cellphones financing them in 30 times. But that's not all! Want to rent a place? It will cost you either half your salary or your whole salary in some cases. Want to build a house? You need to either be a millionaire or take loans. Want to finance building materials because if you pay in cash your monthly wage will get instantly erased? You can't at some places, because you get murdered by a gigantic interest rate for using your credit card, or they outright tell you that they're not accepting credit. Yeah, that's how bad it is over here.
Are you turning me into a socialist or have I always believed in socialism but just wanted to be like my super conservative father?
A lot of people, myself included, believed the ideals of Socialism from the beginning and only learned what Socialism was later in life.
@@mayhemamigos4766 same
@@mayhemamigos4766 Thanks, McCarthy.
There are libertarian socialists. They believe in small government and workplace democracy. They also believe in non-aggression and want to abolish hierarchy. Watch on CZcams : "Why I'm a libertarian (........SOCIALIST)" -by NonCompete
in my experience, most people are socialists. we are, however, quite literally programmed to reject socialism. i don't wanna make it sound like "everyone who isn't me is an npc" though. the propaganda system is just too good, and that's part of why the battle is so unbearably uphill
speaking of our 'programming' culture, y'all should go listen to JT's (the Second Thought guy) podcast, the Deprogram. they really do a wonderful job of quite literally de-programming the propagandized way in which we approach topics such as socialism and its history, present and future.
I’ve just discovered this channel and I can already tell it’s going to be one of my faves.
Yeah. I like his channel even though I'm a liberal
I don’t think any of the people claiming that “socialists want to take your stuff” thinks they want to take peoples toothbrushes
With the simplistic way they frame that statement I think they do.
Yes! I am a socialist and I want to take your stuff!
My with the socialist department of amiibo collections. I've come for your donkey Kong amiibo
I love your videos , and I am grateful to have found you despite the algorithm lol! Thank you !
Thank you! You’re spot on with this (let’s go ahead and call it) series!
Excellent video. I hope at least a few of the people who actually need to see it, see it.
Also- I wish this was in polish (or well, that I could translate it quickly and as concisely) as I would really want to bring it to wards my parents, as this is something that annoys me that they don't understand or want to understand.
They are from relatively times where communism was loosing it's grip over Poland- so in their mind (at least how I see it) they see capitalist system as "the better option" as they seen "socialism fail". It excessively angers me that I personaly can't explain it to them on a level where they understand from where I come from and what I hope for the future (and why current world angers me so much)
So your angry that your parents saw the real world application of socialism fail and you can't explain why that wasn't true.
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You are quite mistaken in what communism was
@@martinrobert6709 uh- the USSR wasn't socialist-
If you're more comfortable with polish, then write in it.
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No worries, I know how to type and speak English rather fluently.
Sorry if there were any misspelling and such
Even as a socialist/social democrat type, the "its our toothbrush, comrade" joke is awesome. It highlights the absurdity of the rights claims about socialist and communist ideas. Private property is not personal property and this is a great introduction to that concept.
You are my favorite channel! Keep up the great work
The crisis of capitalism is very sharp here in the Philippines, and it's only going to get worse. The revolution currently is at the strategic defensive and it might reach the strategic stalemate this decade. You've been doing a lot of videos on popular arguments for a more wide audience, but I hope you make videos on revolution soon.
Eventually, a gorbachev will come along and sell us all out if we rely on governments for socialism. Organize worker cooperatives if you at all have the resources. Good luck
You bring up right to repair, now consider what buying an EV commits you to as far as service options. There are pretty much NO user-serviceable parts inside.
If you fall behind on payments, theoretically the bank can brick your car so you can't get to work to pay for it. They could even command it to drive itself to a repo collection center. If you don't think that's something that's likely to happen in the near future, then you haven't been paying attention.
Socialism would not allow that. Democratic discussions would almost certainly not lead to that, and the people who dare do this would be punished, at the very least fired. In socialism, people could very reasonably decide that if you can't pay your monthly installment, you just reduce the amount to an affordable level. Or put it on pause to let you breathe. Rules are set democratically in socialism.
Question from an uninformed: How do factories get built? Do a whole bunch of people get together and pool their money to build/buy it? Do they petition the government to build one then take ownership when they start working there?
Both of those sound improbable and inefficient
@@nunyabusiness3786 I agree, but, as someone who doesn't know hardly anything about the topic, I haven't been able to figure out anything better in my own. Hence my asking questions.
@@deneb3525 it’s a normal question. So how it would work is simpler to today, you go to a bank to get a loan to build it. Either alone or with other people who believe in whatever it is you wanna do with this factory.
Or money could be pooled together as well if you didn’t wanna go through a bank.
Once it is build the difference between the workplace under capitalism and socialism is this.
Capitalism is a private dictator of hierarchy. So one person owns the factory, usually the person who had it built. Everyone that enters has to work under his rules, all items built go to him to own, all profits gained go to him to receive he decides what you do, what you’ll make, when you can come and go, he can hire or fire anyone..
If it’s a socialist factory then the person or people who created this factory are just the founders, for ever person who comes to join they become part of the team, it’s a partnership. So they become members.
What this means is instead of me telling you what to do, the group would say what we need help with, if you wanna join and help then the team agrees to hire you, the team also has to agree on firing someone by majority vote.
The workplace simply is a democracy and team affair under socialism.
Where as under capitalism it’s a dictatorship of the owner.
Socialist companies are owned by the workers only they work together as a team and it becomes a family force. Where they decide all things together, some companys may not have time to decide on things and they could democratically elected a board of directors. Those board members can be voted in or out if any get carried away or do poorly.
I’ll answer any other questions if you need any other help lol I love this stuff haha
@@SPACEMONKEY288 I had a similar question :) so follow up, how would it work to establish huge companies. For example I work for a huge hospital system with tens of thousands of employees. Under socialism how would something like this be set up and how would decisions be made with so many employees needed?
@@SPACEMONKEY288 I think Amazon workers have a good reason to want to unionize their warehouses and I wish them luck. Looks like they're being worked half to death. There. I said something nice to show I'm not totally unreasonable. Now to the point: in most cases this democracy at a factory is not feasible. How is the guy that installs windshields supposed to vote on which models should be discontinued? Which models should increase production? Which features should be standard? Should we build another plant or not? Under capitalism these questions are answered with "is it efficient and does it make a profit?" It may not be perfect but at least it's something! One of the reasons the soviet union fell so far behind the west in computers is lack of incentive to make manufacturing more efficient. As long as quotas were being met nobody cared about "building a better mousetrap". I can hear your answer already: "this time will be different! Those workers will be getting fat bonuses for all there hard work!!!!"
Always like your stuff. I was wondering if you could talk more about the smart phone updates artificially limiting battery thing.
Software engineers tend to code for the platform they have at hand. They also tend to have the newer and more performant tech than everybody else. Thus as the software gains more functionality, it needs more and more computing power. Every new version runs slower and slower. I have simplified a little bit, but that's the gist of it. I am a software engineer.
@@janhamaldvorak560 This was kind of what I was wondering about. While I generally agree with Second Thought, I feel he might be mistaken on this one. I very much believe in planned obsolescence. But I'm not sure I believe tech corporations are actively sabotaging their own products so we have to buy more. Imagine the class action lawsuit that would ensue if it were ever found out. The PR nightmare. It just doesn't seem worth it.
Barbarism seems mostly likely the path people will take.
Which is why we have to show people why what's happening is happening, and to warn them against supporting that barbarous alternative, the F-word JT mentioned, however we can.
Wait. Who takes the risk of starting the company?
I think the objection comes from spending what little money you have to start something (your dream) only for others to pull it from your control, without risking anything.
..... the government does
So true! Please keep posting videos like this 💯🎉👏🏾🎉🎉💖
I really liked the more forceful approach you had in this week's episode. This was a great watch, thank you so much for your hard work JT
Im still on the fence because I feel that if I spend tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to start a company and take all that massive risk over the course of years to finally get to a profitable state I feel like that should be my money my reward for putting in the 100 200 hour weeks that starting a company entails and spending years just one day hoping to make money the guy who just works a 40 hour week for me and is given a set risk free salary should not have the same as me the guy who set it up in the first place.
You may have opened the company, but the people who helped you are just as important. Those first two employees you hired also made the company work. As your business grows, more people play a critical role. Without those workers, you would have none of that money. This is why strikes and collective bargaining are so effective. You just moved some numbers around, meanwhile, the workers toiled to make those numbers into physical things. You do have an important role managing the company, but its no more important than what they're doing. It would also do good to toil alongside them for a bit.
@@LaserBread I just find it strange that I take all the risk and do all the toiling for years to finally get to the point where I am doing good for myself. I just think that risk taking should be rewarded more that passively getting a guaranteed job at a guaranteed rate. I would be fine with it they also had to take some of the risk for example it could be a profit/loss share where if the company loses money both the owner and the employees are in the hook to share the risk but without that I just don't that people who have a set wage with no risk should be as rich as the guy who takes risk. One last thing the whole "stealing of value" in my mind anyway is more of a smoothing out of value with some taken because the CEO who also does work to keep you employed needs to feed his family and be rewarded for his risk taking. But on the smoothing side that comes from in at least small business from the fact that one month your store can make 1 mill in profit and the next make a loss of 1,000 all before paychecks so in that case the lower wages are needed to allow for the company to have a savings to keep everyone employed through a bad month. Sorry for the rambling I just woke up
@@FBI_Master There is a difference between creating some saving for the company and stealing value from you workers. A lot of big companies make huge profits that just go to investors and shareholders while their workers have to live paycheck to paycheck. Most companies dont use their profits to secure company funding. They use it to make a few people at the top very rich.
The goal has to be that everyone gets a fair share of the value they create. if a CEO builds a company with lots of hard work and his own capital they can of course still get a lot of money from that. But the worker that creates a value of x should also get a fair share of that and not just pay for the next yacht of his boss
Your company is limited liability and not considered a person. If it goes bankrupt you still keep your stuff. Where is the risk in that ?
@@ss-th9pf I lose everything invested in it not just my money but also my time which I would argue is more important as you can't get back time.
Quick questions for those willing to answer: what would drive innovation under socialism? Is innovation even a highly rated value within socialism? I’d love to know to help further my opinion on the ideology
Наука! Развитие науки при Союзе ничем не уступало другим странам, а наука в свою очередь напрямую связана с производством. Таким образом все работает гармонично.
Учёные при союзе пользовались почётом, общество их уважало.
Не нужно забывать и про Кулибина и про стахановское движение.
Человек сам по себе хочет что-то улучшить, творить, но из-за погоней за деньгами времени остаётся только на работу.
He did a video on this topic a few weeks ago !
I'm the one who asks you, because I NEVER understood the "Innovation" question.
Since when do you need an incentive to innovate?
Innovation is INHERENTLY desired. Why would you need an "incentive" for that?
That's like asking "What's the incentive to eat?" or "What's the incentive to listen to music?".
You don't need an incentive for these things.
Innovation IS an incentive in and of itself.
Now, if you mean the WORK needed to get innovation made, the answer is the same as any type of work. Use financial incentives within the measure of necessary.
This video is like a crash course in Capital Vol. 1. Keep it up.
My face when my great grandad was killed in the Soviet Union for owning a farm:
No one's advocating taking anyone's farms. Relax.
@@philbrooks5979 sure bud. Every time socialists get into power and start expropriating means of production it turns out that hundreds of thousands of people are not very happy to give up their farms, businesses and trivial shit like apartments and foreign currency. Then it’s time to use force to achieve your goals. And the glorious leader imprisons and kills for the greater good.
At least I was able to run away from Russia. My ancestors weren’t that lucky because oh, the greatest socialist country in the world didn’t allow the slaves to leave the giant plantation by the name of USSR.
I don’t know guys, if the socialist system is so damn great just start your own cooperative business and crush the competition. Just leave me and my ducks alone please.
^ this man here is comparing a shitty healthcare to mass executions, do you wonder why nobody takes you serious?
Yeah, you just advocating for killing the farm owners
@@philbrooks5979 he just did
He just said the man who owns the land equipment and animals adds no value i society except by owning the essential things to make society run. How do we circumvent this. We take his shit
You're doing an amazing job with explaining these basic but very important topics in a very understable way. I think these videos are great for all liberals or entry-level socialists.
I love this. Thanks for the easy to understand answers man!
I hate to be a buzzkill to this party here, but "nobody wants your toothbrush" sounds too much like "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". The real world doesn't read your theory textbooks.
I'm sorry to hear that you can't differentiate between a FAUX News anti-Obama smear piece jingle, and a roughly 200 year old political philosophy.
You know Marx is so old, his book "Capital" was a rebuttal to Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations", right?
Fantastic Video JT. :)
babe wake up new class consciousness content just dropped
Some people have difficulty grasping the nature of what "Private Property" means, let alone distinguishing it from personal property.
To Socialists, though, this distinction is second-nature, to the point of being able to vizualize and call attention to it.
In many ways, "Private" and "Personal" property are opposites.
"Personal" is good. It allows to own the things you want.
"Private" is bad. It makes it harder for you to own wealth.
But…sharing the People’s Toothbrush gives me such a feeling of solidarity… 🥺 /s
Community toothbrushes, very based
i am a young 18year old from the Uk and i have seen how capitalism has taken so much from my parents, the capitalists say if you work hard enough then you can make money but i've seen my parents work harder than anybody, and they still struggle to put food on the table. Their are many other kids like me, i know it. I hope that one day we can all be able to live in a truly Free and equal world
Calling it now. The year is 2030. Somebody is going to a for profit prison because they couldn't make the installments for the large pepperoni they ordered. Their forced labour is then sold by the prison to Dominos.
Why wait for 2030?
Remember when "no one wants to work anymore"?
McDonalds and a few others hire prison labor.
12:43 That's not the only example. The best electric kitchen mixer/blender I've ever used was made in GDR more than 50 years ago. It still works better than most modern ones and has even more useful features than similar modern ones have. The quality of items produced under socialism would vary depending on a great number of reasons and factors. Some of those products were horrible but some things were awesome and were really made to last. User manuals for Soviet-made electronic devices would usually include a circuit diagram to make it easier to repair it by yourself.
Thanks for explaining this to folks! Such a informative channel. Thank you 🙏🏼
I don’t even like and don’t need personal property, I don’t like any property at all. And then some egoists whine that they want to take something from them ... Well, let them live in their impoverished capitalism.
I think that toothbrushes should probably still be uniquely owned, specifically for limiting the spread of some diseases.
@@Admiral-General_Aladeen Okay, live under capitalism, what's the problem? I don't want any property, I don't care about any personal space, I'm not afraid of sharing clothes or having someone read my messages. Under communism, I will not be afraid.
@@vxicepickxv If necessary, I'm not arguing. It's rational. But I still won't even address them as property.
Most people have way more than they need. That includes consuming much more than they need.
Will definitely be using some of these arguments. Thanks for the always great content JT.
The scenario he describes of a farm where it's the farm workers who own the farm and keep the profits is either an employee stock option program, a worker-owned cooperative, or an employee ownership trust. Those three things don't exist under socialism, but they do exist under a free market!
This video producer would have us believe that under socialism, the farm workers, rather than the city slicker, get to boost their fortunes. But he leaves out the state or collective needs from his example. In practice, those profits don't belong to the farmers, they go to build roads and to supplement the income of a dry cleaner 1,000 km away who had a bad year. That's because the workers don't own the farm... The collective does.
so ?
There is no "so" unless it's to collectively decide whether your opinion is to be taken seriously. No shade or judgement... Just checking.
yes equality sucks lets make one person a trillionair. while the rest of the country is in extreme poverty
Very much enjoyed this video. Subscribed
I enjoy your videos, and agree with many of your points across so many of them, including this one. I am also a huge fan of fair labor, social programs, equitable pay, etc. I say that to clarify I am absolutely not in support of unfettered capitalism, but so have some concerns regarding full fledged socialism. I am hoping you can explain how the transition from “private” business or non-existent business, to social business might work. As a couple of examples, unfarmed land to worker owned farm, or tech startup to worker owned firm. Farms may be a simpler scenario as a group of people could come together to front the capital for necessary supplies and equipment. With technology however, it could be a very small group that come up with an idea, implement it and begin to sell it. Which could come at great expense and risk to the founder. I absolutely agree those who join and contribute to the success should be compensated according to their contributions, but am wondering how we handle incentive to take on the risk to start up the idea in the first place, unless the potential reward offsets the front loaded risk. More concisely, how could we foster innovative people to create startups to benefit society, but slow them/socialize them before they become parasites like Amazon?
I have your same line of thinking. Agree with everything he’s saying, but don’t understand how we could get there or thrive there. Not only does it sound a bit unjust to take a business someone spent their life building and just give it to their employees. What would motivate anyone to start a new business under socialism?
The huge corporations and businesses we have that are capable of feeding/providing for everyone, are only there because highly motivated mostly wealthy individuals built/funded/organized them. Even if they were only motivated by profit.. they were still motivated. Why would anyone want to do the same under socialism even they’re not allowed to own or profit from it?
I know you probably won’t see this, but I want to say thank you. You saved me from becoming an Andrew tate fan. I’m forever in your debt for that. In all seriousness though, I’m really happy that you do this stuff. You’ve inspired so many people to fight for a better world, and in my opinion, there’s no better thing. Dont worry about talking to the occasional fascists that have commented on this video. We down can do that for you.
Thank you. Keep up the good work man. It’s amazing what you’re doing. :)
Who the fuck in Andrew Tate?
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great video as always JT!!
Hakim's hairdryer has become lore
I bet more than half of the pro-Capitalism people out there running Windows, Mac and Android systems think they "own" their computers/phones/tablets. 🤣
GIVE ME THE TOOTHBRUSH
Bit of Bakunin coming out at the end there. As an anarchist, I loved it.
Kid, you shifted my paradigm a bit. Kudos!
Mickey Bucks 😂😂😂😂😂
Another amazing video. Thank you!!