Jedi fight with their lightsabers WRONG: Star Wars
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- Upon careful examination of the handling properties of a Jedi knight's Lightsaber I've found that the best way to fight with them is something very different to how They are fought with in the movies.
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I prefer the general grievous fidget spinner tactic
He also had 4 arms
Branden Kroskie yes indeed
Jeremiah Bullfrog thank you man
Well, spinning IS a good trick.
Well it is designed to confuse, intimidate and randomise the strike action rather than be efficient.
You forgot General Grievous. His style is ceiling fan.
The Sentient Toaster your comment will make a fine addition to my collection
Hello there
@@klauserji General Kenobi
@@thesentienttoaster4875 You are a bold one
He also forgot Ashoka
This is basically what Count Dooku does. It’s funny because he’s considered one of the best lightsaber duelists.
yup makes sense now too
That's what's getting me about this vid
I came to the comment section literally just because I wanted to find out if anyone else noticed that too 😂😂
count dooku also mastered every style of fighting with a lightsaber his entire life & his master was yoda. It's safe to say he would destroy jedi with just about any form.
@@haven6455 he was defeated a couple times but he went against people like Yoda Anakin and other highly skilled duelists so we can safely say an average jedi would just go down in a couple moves
Count Dooku fights like what he is explaining I think
exactly what i thought the whole time
He is, but no jedi uses it which stupid as hell because why take a gigantic swing with a weapon that "cuts" through anything. As a fencer, time and distance plays a role as most sword or martial art. Personally, use a gun that uses bullets then a lightsaber. Logically, lightaabers shouldn't work, and yes IK it is science fantasy. I guess that's why I love Halo more. Halo is more of a science fiction
Christopher Lee was a sports fencer, hence the style. This video is basically saying sports Sabre fencing
Exactly what I was thinking
@@brysoncamat5277 because lightsabers are predominantly used to block and deflect blaster fire. Quite rare that anyone specifically trained for saber to saber combat (dooku)
i like to think shad actually lives in that wooden castle and its bigher on the inside
So it's just the Tardis with the camouflage on?
:0
Bigger
prince productions Better
@@chip5892 oh i thought he ment bigger not better
Count dooku fights like how your talking.
Because Sir Christopher Lee had actual real life training in sword fighting :)
also this guy likes to conveniently ignore anything that contradicts what he is saying
Dooku even uses a curved hilt lightsaber like our present day fencing swords
@@TehSaccade Dude. You made a comment about how you are experienced and think that most of what he's saying is trash. But then you forgot the most important, and relevant part: WHAT WOULD THE CORRECT WAY BE, AND WHY?!?!
@@shadowpod13 He doesn't know.
So General Grievous should've just machine gunned lightsaber stabs... Honestly, a scary thought.
All I can think about is saitamas (one punch man's) "normal consecutive punches" but with grievous and his lightsabers 😂
@@RyanDavis-nr2gl how tf would you ever beat that🤣
@@Excalis3344 let's ask kenobi? 😂
it’s like jojo except grievous is the stand and the stand has 4 hands
just go mudamudamudamudamuda until enemy has holes in them
@@Excalis3344 Force lift him, then crush him into a ball.....duh.
Shad: “If a lightsaber was real”
The Hacksmith: Hold my mech suit
This aged VERY well.
@@finfon2287 yes
Hahaha
lol and i was about to post a link to it :P
I'll wait for Alex lab to make one
rapier style lightsaber fight:
-"My name is Luke Skywalker, you killed my father. Prepare to die"
-"No, I am your father"
-"nooo! That´s inconceivable!" (falls)
Needs 100+ likes.
Then he finds out the princess was his sister the entire time. Inconceivable!
What is the air velocity of a European Swallow?
bleachmon1 lol
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Keep in mind most republic jedi were not trained in dueling. There were no Sith for 1000 years. They were mainly trained in deflecting blaster fire. This is why they use two hands.
👏👏an intellectual i see.. also people forget that there are several different types and hybrids of lightsaber forms
@@Cthulhu357 I am curious as to how the forms translated to different weapons. Like using Makashi for double bladed lightsabers or light whips, etc.
People also forget super human/humanoids wizards that can move and react beyond our own mortal bodies can.
Not true. The Jedi transitioned from metal swords to light sabers. So they originally had technique with traditional swords. This form was called sii-cho, had bdays strikes and parries. And it's yes, when the Sith appears they developed makashi, the refined dueling style. This actually came before soresu, which is the third form used for blaster bolts.
Jedi also adopted fighting styles that avoided fatal strikes, preferring to disable their opponent by going for the hands or the lightsaber itself. They were pacifist and preservationist, killing was avoided unless absolutely necessary, even in duels.
I love how when hes demonstrating good lightsaber fighting hes just doing dookus style
Lol
With a long mass of piping hot plasma, it would be the only good one
what? i just checked dooku fights, he is using two hands
@@StrikeDuelist its not about that im talking about the way he disarms with straight foward attacks instead of slashes to disable the opponent why choose to argue online
@@StrikeDuelist sometimes to get more leverage but for the most part he uses one hand with the other behind his back.
Of all actors EVER, Christopher Lee (Dooku) was by far the one I would least want to fight, epecially with a sword or knife or something. He was very likely the last actor in living memory who actually killed anyone in hand to hand combat.
Besides he actually knew how to use a rapier and requested a style to be made specifically for him.
Well he was a soldier in the Finnish Army, British Royal Guard and the Royal Air Force during WW2 so yeah of course you wouldn't wanna mess with him.
I mean in lord of the rings he told Peter Jackson how a man sounds when being stabbed so...
He knew what sound a person makes when stabbed in the back, cause he did that several times.
who did he kill
Count Dooku is the only one that knows how to use a lightsaber properly.
Agreed. Makashi form, Dooku uses a curved fencing style hilt as Makashi is based on fencing as Christopher Lee was actually a fencer and did all his onscreen swordfights.
As well as Palpatine, and Darth Maul sometimes displayed it. Vader also had a similar style, but it was more focused on the edge.
He knew how to use a lightsaber for DUELING. His form is very weak to form 5 style combat (which is the form Anakin and in turn Darth Vader use). His style focuses on parties and quick strikes but has little to ZERO defense against a powerful blow which will throw him off balance and ultimately losing
KingLIFEDRAIN x exactly
KingLIFEDRAIN x if Anakin was a proficient dual wield user or if Kenobi had a double bladed lightsaber Dooku would've easily been overpowered a lot faster than he did in episode 3
You forgot to address the most important consideration of lightsaber combat:
The High Ground
Darth Revan But That would jeopardize the entire theory!
Darth Maul wishes he knew that
Mythbusters covered that already.
Lourens Kaufmann it's a joke.
just like mythbusters
So, the ideal lightsaber combat is less "flashy acrobatic swordfighting" and more like fencing? Yeah, makes sense.
Wait a darn picking second! That's how they fought in the original trilogy...go figure
@@RDeathmark did you see luke swing that saber? It was nothing like fencing. Dude literally swung his lightsaber with the biggest swinging motions I’ve ever seen.
so you should hold a lightsaber like Harry Potter hold a wand
You mean Count Dooku, one of the best lightsaber wielders, has the best method of lightsaber combat?
shadow stalker?
Shad: Even being touched by a lightsabre can be extremely damaging.
Finn: Hold my spinal fluid
Haha
lol
*THE POWER OF PLOT ARMOUR*
@@DulocGuardsman Your name makes this reply on the comment even better.
*reads title*
_"It's treason, then"_
*Force Screech*
“Want as much range as possible”
When i was a Jedi: me, *walking into battle with 10 feet lightsaber
Read the Expanded Universe novel “I, Jedi.” Corran Horn has a lightsaber that can go to double length.
Why hasn't any Jedi/Sith created a lightsaber that can fire a blade from the hilt as a projectile? Best range weapon I'd say.
So the best weapon would be a lightsaber-pike then.
Jero Toro Because there hasn’t been lightsaber tech innovation for a really long time. Jedi don’t care about making better weapons usually, especially if they’re so lethal. Also bc lightsabers are a continuous loop of energy powered by a little crystal somehow. Maybe it’s a technology limitation and it can make a loop without expending much energy but can’t shoot it without additional Kyber crystals, which are supposed to be individually bonded to each Jedi. Using tons of them would be a perversion of this. The closest to what you’re talking about would be the Death Star, which is powered by the same thing lightsabers are. Jedi don’t really seem to want to go any farther with lethality nowadays, although in the books (sadly no longer canon due to Disney) there are lots of cool Jedi and sith weapons and force magic. Maybe look them up on CZcams.
@@jerotoro2021 they did but only had 5 shots before burning out so nobody thought it was a good idea
"Your swords, please. We don't want to make a mess of things in front of the Chancellor." ~ Count Dooku
What you're describing is Form II - Makashi, Count Dooku's style. Kinda interesting, that explains Dooku's contempt of other Jedi's poor fighting styles, he is the only one using the weapon right and he knows it haha.
Yeah, but the Jedi tend to choose their forms based on circumstance and philosophy rather than purely fighting other Lightsaber users.
Lightsabers are a tool to protect, not kill. Shad confirmed Sith.
Except that lightsabers were actually invented by the sith, although I guess it makes sense a sith and not a jedi is the one that figured out how to best use it.
A force barrier is meant to protect by preventing damage. A saber is meant to protect by killing/maiming.
Don't be proto saber can't be considered one even though the major difference is it's age and external power battery?
@Jose Ssegovia Is a Model-T Ford as much of an automobile as a modern, fully electric car? A proto-saber is only a much older kind of lightsaber.
@Jose Ssegovia Is a Model-T Ford as much of an automobile as a modern, fully electric car? A proto-saber is only a much older kind of lightsaber, not a completely different kind of weapon all-together, as there is no significant difference in usage. However, a lightwhip is something different, as it's used in a very different way from a lightsaber. The lightsabers are like cars and the lightwhips are like trains. Both are inherently similar, but both are also very different.
No matter the stances, the high ground always win.
czcams.com/video/hL82JEQhYAo/video.html
Caesar Legion didn’t work for maul...
@@irelevent1239 that's because high ground has no effect on Obiwan for he is the one true master of the high ground.
Jake Weinberger Darth Maul has yet to master the high ground, it is a technique known only to obi one and it is quite unbeatable.
Caesar Legion Sun Tzu
Shad: even being touched by a lightsaber could be extremely damaging
Me: true
Disney: fin gets his spine slashed all the way up and survives.
Me and everyone else: HUH?!?!
@@Kryptomi but even if he was just "touched" witch it was very deep he still said "being touched could be EXTREMELY DAMAGING". And it was his spine.
Edit: I also dont think paraplegic is a word.
@@Kryptomi ok I did not know that paraplegia was a word but it was where the spine was and my point is that he should've at least been paralyzed but he was not.
@@bananagoose6822 maybe they are so good they can just reattach their spinal cord
it’s far from what we have, but it’s star wars and they probably have had a lot of experience with people being chopped in half so
@@TheOneWhoHasABadName but he was just in a water suit. If that was the (witch would screw up all star wars) there was no indication of that happening.
@@bananagoose6822 paraplegic is a word lmao
Rey in episode 7 and 8: I’m perfect in every single way without training, beating everyone and everything which should be superior.
Rey in episode 9: OK, OK. I’ll train for no reason now.
Rey is sh*t.
You really have no idea what she was training for
@@Prometheus-fc4rm training by yourself imbues your own mistakes, she looks like a kid with a stick.
Perfectly said!
Often the ego of an elder Samurai will be his downfall when confronting a younger novice who uses a simple but well practiced move and lands the first and only blow.
in an interview, George Lucas said he wanted the light saber to be held in two hands to communicate to the audience that these weapons are powerful, dangerous, and require strength and determination to wield. We see this best in Return of the Jedi in Luke and Vaders stance- two hands, with the lightsaber held out well in front of them, just like how you would hold a very hot piece of metal or something else pulsating with energy and danger. You respect the weapon, not treat it like a toy.
Ironic...
I *do* use a toy...
Like dooku said, it's an art form
MrHamncheez then Finn and Rey pick it up and act like they are Jedi masters
And of course a jedi would need two hands to block lightsaber strikes of the enemy!
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Shad "the wise"?
I thought not. It's not a story Hollywood would tell you. It's a history legend. Darth Shad was a Dark Lord of Australia, so powerful and so wise he could use knowledge to influence the minds of history boffs to create understanding of the world... He had such a knowledge of the historical weapons that he could even keep the ones he cared about from watching a movie without being told why the protagonist took a wrong step or why a castle brick was out of place.
The knowledge of medieval weapons is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural (like being able to successfully do a sword flourish).
He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was learning too much which eventually, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his subscribers everything he knew, then his subscribers told him more facts in the comments. It's ironic he could save others from living their life in ignorance, but his knowledge grew so much that his mind exploded...
Peter Osborne sir, you are a legend.
This is awesome.
Another consideration: You mentioned that the weight is concentrated at the hilt, which is true. The blade has no weight to it. However, when the blade is ignited, the plasma edge has momentum, which would alter slightly the fighting style.
Kanaan described it as “not so much swinging it through the air as channeling energy where you want it to go”
Well, you can't have momentum without weight, unless you're a lightspeed particle.
@@user-cj9jk1pd4g Lightsabers aren't light though, they're plasma, probably contained within some kind of magnetic bubble. And I'd imagine that you -would- get some kind of momentum-ish feedback from that, esp given that they can block (and push) each other, and that cutting through objects requires actual force and leverage (which, I'd argue, is why jedi use 2 handed grips in the first place): in-universe, lightsabers are clearly not something that can just instantly cut through anything with no additional force application, and having enough force / leverage to deflect things with momentum (ie. blaster bolts, and other lightsabers), and to push through contact strikes when cutting through something (ie. so the lightsaber doesn't become momentarily "stuck" by hot slag when cutting through something)
Obviously, most of this doesn't really square (like, at all) with how actual physics and E/M interactions would occur IRL (specifically, interactions between E/M bubbles, and how those bubbles would even be formed and maintained in the first place). But you can basically assume that in the star wars universe, the blades of lightsabers do have demonstrated momentum, leverage, and other newtonian force principles, and the E/M bubble surrounding blaster shots, lightsabers, etc do, obviously have momentum (b/c of conservation of energy), and they do for whatever reason simply repel each other. And for whatever reason the E/M bubble seems to be maintained by the plasma itself, b/c obviously the E/M field around say blaster shots seems to dissipate when the plasma actually hits something that isn't another E/M field
So, TLDR; I think that shad is potentially a bit wrong about this, and 2 handed grips are used for a reason that is demonstrated pretty well in-universe: ie. for force, leverage, etc., both when swinging around a lightsaber, and, critically, in parries (incl blaster bolts, which again have demonstrated momentum), and when actually cutting through something.
It still could be the case that 1 handed fencing techniques would be more more effective against other lightsaber users in at least some circumstances, but I'm not convinced that that'd always be the case in general, as you'd be sacrificing a lot of leverage (ie. by having two points of contact to control the weapon, vs one), for simply having longer reach. The kinds of attacks that jedi are more likely to be defending against is blaster bolts (again, with momentum), and that is absolutely something that you'd want to have a 2 handed vs 1 handed grip for, simply to not lose control of your weapon and have it end up cutting you.
If we're talking Jedi, then imagine trial-sword-wielding: one defensive hand, one offensive hand, and one annoying flying laser sword controlled by telekinesis.
"3 annoying laser swords controlled by telekinesis. Take it or leave it." -Kreia/Darth Traya
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid "
> ancient weapons
>wiidely used just 20 years ago by a well-known cult of space wizards that existed for millenias and served the Republic just as long
Lucas is so good with continuity
>loses lightsaber in combat
>has to rely on blaster for kill
"So uncivilized." *toss*
@@romanjustroman7445
-Lightsabers were invented over 7000 years before Episode IV, so yes, they were ancient
-There were only a few thousand Jedi in a galaxy inhabitend by quadrillions of people, so the vast majority of them never saw a Jedi or a lightsaber
-The Empire did massive anti-Jedi propaganda in its early years (hence "hokey religion") and didn't mention them later, which didn't help their popularity.
not blasters. Try machine guns on lightsabers
@@udkudk You mean the things slower than laser and plasma and would be easier to get rid of due to instant disintegration of literally every bullet?
Aha. That's why Form II: Makashi was so deadly
Depend on the situation. Makashi was invented during the time of the sith empires because lightsaber duel were very frequent. But if youre fighting people with blasters form 3 would be more affective because its a defensive form
@@gevy4127 Shii Cho works better for the Empire era, because lightsaber duels are mostly gone.
@@Erick7Greenday yeah dooku was one of the last known users of makashi before and during the empire
GE VY vader and I think a few of the inquisitor’s especially the grand inquisitor made use of Makashi on occasion
@@jordanreed3675 yes because their job was to hunt jedi so it makes sense but inquisitor used a double bladed lighstaber so they most likely learned form 4 or 5 as well
I feel like the entire point is leading to talking about how good Count Dooku was at fighting
I mean that's why Count Dooku was such an efficient dueler who killed many jedi since he used those stances and movements
Count dooku in the clone wars sometimes used one hand fencing fighting style.
I feel like in clone wars, the choreographies are better, cause there's no spinning and they don't overswing that much if not ever…
In universe, Dooku uses Form II - Makashi. This was part of the 7 Forms that Ray Parks helped develop with Lucas for TPM. Lore wise, Makashi was developed as a Form specifically for the purpose of 1-on-1 lightsaber v. lightsaber duels (Form I, Shii-Cho was a very generalised and simple form). In terms of real-world fighting styles, Makashi was heavily inspired by fencing.
Christopher Lee, actor of Count Dooku, was a fencer as well.
That would be makashi the 2nd style of fighting. Idk if this guy looked up the different stances and how all 7 work but I think he has some misinterpretation of saber fighting.
He actually used it a lot and his fighting style is strongly reminiscent of rapier fencing. And he's supposed to be one of the bestr swordsmen in the Jedi order
There are seven styles of fighting with lightsabers, the most effective in one on one is called makashi, this is count Dooku’s style and makashi uses fast stabbing motions and focuses on getting in their opponents guard. Anakins style Djem so focuses on redirecting blaster bolts back at the opponent who fired, it also focuses on heavy and powerful strikes this form is better used to overwhelm an opponent with fast and powerful strikes but this form leaves many holes a makashi user can exploit. Soresu is Obi-Wan’s form and it focuses entirely on blocking the opponents lightsaber and deflecting blasterbolts in any direction ( this is why Obi-Wan doesn’t do baseball bat strikes). Ataru is Yoda’s form and incorporates speed and agility focusing on avoiding the opponents blade while attempting to overwhelm the opponent with quick attacks, an amateur Ataru user leaves themselves open when they perform a flashy flip. Form 7 juyo is described as letting your emotions control where your blade goes, so it varies from person to person however Mace windu created a variant of it called Vaapad and it’s made to counter a dark side user by reflecting their overwhelm and quick attacks back at them. Form 1 Shii-Cho is what all of the above is built off of and you can see it being used by Luke in episode 4 when he deflects blaster bolts from the floating orb. If you want to see a master shii-cho user watch the episode from the clone wars when kit fisto infiltrates general grievous’s base. I forget it’s name but I think it’s either season 1 or 2. I fully agree with shadiversity, this is not to form an argument, it is meant to point to the different styles developed in canon. Rey uses Djem so very poorly, and kylo is a mix of different styles and this creates some errors. Also important to note, Obi-Wan drilled soresu into anakin’s fighting style first, not Shii-cho. And anakin eventually incorporated Djem so into his soresu style, he also learned the basics of ataru, and he wanted to incorporate Jar’kai (this is not a different lightsaber form, jar’kai is literally just using two lightsabers at once.) Shad pls make of this what you will, I would be very interested in your opinion and analysis of these forms( I already know juyo is just wrong, and vaapad is weird, and focuses entirely too much on countering the dark side rather than focusing on the fight) if you want the source material for these different forms pls look at ‘the Jedi path’ and if you want clarrification on Djem so and juyo/vaapad, ‘the book of sith’. The book of sith goes in depth on those two forms while the Jedi path seems to avoid them. Have fun poking holes into this, I’d love to see a video on them.
no
Shad is just trying to be edgy not actually defend his points.
Yes thank YOU
No
Trill Shatner it’s an opinion. You calling him edgy is edgier than all of the swords he owns combined.
I don't think it's canon anymore, but I always did like the below hideously paraphrased explanation:
A Lightsaber, despite its name, was a looped arc of plasma contained within a magnetic field. That system produced a gyroscopic effect that gave the weapon 'weight'. A Jedi would know enough not to fight it, but it was not as simple as constantly making light stabs. There's a reason most Jedi used two hands to control it, which was because the weapon produced momentum which had to be accounted for.
Similarly, that magnetic field had a repulsion effect which deflected blaster bolts, (which were also enclosed in a magnetic field), and other lightsabers. That repulsion effect would also prevent casual cuts, requiring the user to exert some mild pressure in order to cut through an object, similar in feeling to pushing two identical magnet poles together. They would repel each other in a small way.
It seems like a fairly good in-Universe explanation for why Lightsaber duels weren't essentially point to point fencing duels all the time.
Is that "in-universe" or is it more fanon hot air from lightsaber fetishists?
@@ziweiyuan Well it was from the previous EU which had Lucas's authorisation, which is now considered non-canon as Disney own the rights.
So ... technically both to a certain degree.
It is still Canon as Disney has YET to come up with something new to explain it. Not to mention that the hilts actually have a weight because they are made out of various types of metals (and in one known Canon case precious metals). The only things I see in this video are a unwillingness to do research into a subject that a person lacks knowledge in and the ability to assume things work in a sertan way and no other way. A lightsaber can be very damaging apon touch yes but it highly depends on where it touches most human of the body need 4 inches (10.16cm) to touch something vital so a touch while painful wouldn't actually do any real life threatening harm.
Imagine some robber breaks into this guy's house and to defend himself he reaches for the sharpest blade in his closet.
Have you ever heard...
of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
You forgot “of”
ToxicSkull0 nooooooooo
Fixed it
Yes
*Palpatine.exe has stopped working*
Did you ever hear*
Shad likes swords, Shad likes star wars, Shad lives mostly inside and burns from the sun....SHAD IS A NERD GOD
He also got his own castle in his backyard
Ummm Colbert though...
DarkKrono they need an alter in Conan to him
I'm fairly sure the tower on our right has machicolations
Lightsabers vs Halo Energy Swords
Imagine having this guy as a neighbor and just, walking outside one day to hear him recording tutorials for proper lightsaber use
Me : *WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN*
Count Dooku probably has the closest fighting style to the one he was demonstrating
Shad: This thing is so deadly!
*Rey slashes Kylo with lightsaber*
Kylo: Oh! You scratched my beautiful face!
They nerfed the power because Qui-Gon rapidly melting a blast door was stupid...
@@jacqxperron6223 As with everything in the Disney canon, it is just widely inconsistent. Rei easily cuts through a tree in TFA, Ren easily stabs through Han Solo, and there is basically no effort to cut snoke in half. The power level of the lightsaber is 100% determined by plot.
That's why the Disney movies suck balls (except Rogue One, that is).
Hehe. Hey guys, remember when Luke swung at Vader's shoulder, and instead of dismembering his arm, it litterally left no mark?
Yeah, me neither.
@casey It was during their duel on Cloud City. Just before Vader cuts off Luke's hand, Luke strikes at his shoulder, which sends Vader into a frenzy.
Not really a good escuse, when Luke sliced off his hand with no problem.
Hold it at arms length and jiggle it about as fast as possible and wait for the rude jokes to happen? So basically VR sword fighting style?
Gopher did not expect to see you here!
So Lenard of Many Faces is here
No, not exactly. Even if you technically do not require to "generate power" behind your swings to cut your opponent, you still need that power for another thing - blocking/deflecting the attacks of lightsaber-wielding opponents. Thus, the stances, either European, or Eastern ones, are still very much valid in light saber combat.
Well, I think you are correct.
But at the same time those stances aren't that important by a great margin.
Since the lightsaber's 'blade' is weightless in most of the cases it would be very easy to deflect them.
When they aren't easy to deflect the attacker needs to hold the lightsaber firmly with both hands to create enough pressure to not get pushed aside easily.
Which would result in 'regular' fighting style like stances.
Though I think those kind of attacks wouldn't be as dominant in an actual fight, because they pose a great deal of risk being involved.
Naturally the 'blades' would not cant but instead repell each other, thus increasing the chance to make a mistake tremendously.
Aikido teaches a kata starting with a forward stance each roundish wooden training swords (boken) touching each other close to the far end to maintain control over the enemy.
The idea is to feel the enemy's intention through the blade and react accordingly. As soon as one would try to stab the other you can easily move the enemy's blade aside, since they are touching from the beginning. If one were to try and lose contact to the opponent that one would create an oppening, since it is now considerably harder to defend against a stabbing attack, which the forward pointed weapon poses a threat to do.
That would indeed be a style I can think of suiting a lightsabre fight pretty well. But at the same time rapier duels seem to fit the bill even better.
It is so easy to hurt yourself using a lightsaber, I don't think anyone would consider blocking close to the body a good practice.
No. Closer to fencing Epeé.
7:30 the lightsaber handle is anywhere between 6 pounds to 12 pounds. Not including crazy dual bladed handles that can way up to twice as much.
Definitely liftable
But heavy for its size.
George lucas stated they are nearly weightless
@@blindmelon2007 BLADES are nearly weightless. The hilts are quite heavy
I know awhile ago but I must say it is explained in canon that when you become a master of the lightsaber it becomes an extension of your body so you eventually feel no wait I believe we first heard this when Sabine is training with the dark saber
@@blindmelon2007 tbf George constantly backtracks and contradicts himself, like the sabers in ANH.
The Vader/Kenobi fight looks slow and less agile because the sabers were originally meant to mimic heavy swords (broad swords?). Also most likely due to Alec Guinness being older at the time, but the point stands nonetheless.
I was thinking back to anytime a character picks one up for the first time like Luke in episode 4 of Finn in Episode 7 and they never seem surprised by it weighing more than they expected. This leads me to think they really aren’t that much heavier than they look.
Luke fighting the dark troopers in The Mandalorian is the most realistic use of a lightsaber in my eyes. He doesn't waste too much energy on momentum, because he doesn't have to. Instead he sorts of moves the blade to where is needs to be to cause damage rather than swing it.
no, thats just disney lightsaber choreography, lazy and "just enough effort to look good"
THERE IS NO GUARD, CUT YOU OPPONENT FINGERS OFF!!!!
Lightsabers do bind together, much more strongly that swords do. You cant actually slide your lightsaber blade down your opponent's
...or their hand!
Why not have a 20 foot light saber
Depends on how the "blade" is produced. If there is a physical telescoping, central rod, that would have to fit in the handle. Otherwise I think it would be a lot easier to accidentally cut things the longer the blade is.
Dean, the only way we've seen Lightsabers behaving is the whole blade either turns on or off, no telescoping.
But now that you mention it, if the "Light"saber is able to keep the beam in a perfect shape and length like it does, I can't see a reason why it _couldn't_ telescope.
Wait, doesn't this kind of validate the awkward battle between Vader and Kenobi in A New Hope? Whoa.
I was going to say didn't Vader do this to Kenobi on the death star.? He looked like he was fencing with him
How does this comment not have more likes??? It was exactly what I was thinking
@@ProudGenXer Probably the ridiculous typo I had on Obi-wan's name. 😅
It might. There's also the theory that they were basically fighting a mind battle with the force which was not that apparent. If this is true then the saber fighting was secondary to the mental battle. It would be very unlikely for the two of the strongest force user ever not to use this tactic, at least for part of the battle.
@@hattrickster33 George Lucas specifically mentioned that his original intent was that the lightsaber device itself was supposed to be really heavy which is why the fighting was clunky and slow... he ended up abandoning that idea by the time Luke fought Vader. Source: czcams.com/video/RIefj6dOhnM/video.html
I’d love to see a lightsaber fighting style where they take advantage of turning the blade off and on, so many possibilities
That actually is one of the unorthodox fighting styles
Wouldn't work as force users can sense your movements and fast strikes would basically fuck you over in a fight
It would also be highly risky since you'd be defenseless momentarily as well. It's kind of like trying weird shenanigans that involve getting the opponent's sword inside your guard and such.
Exar Kun apparently used exactly that with a dual-bladed red saber. Its just something I remember from the old EU
It's supposedly quite risky. And in-universe they give a sort of reason for the Jedi and Sith to discourage it at least. The Jedi thinks it's deceitful, don't like it. The Sith supposedly don't respect it because it's a 'trick' that makes them look weak - 'power above trickery,' basically
I suggest the book “The Jedi Path” it’s got a lot of interesting stuff on Jedi stances
But... What about higher ground?
Darth Maul had the high ground and got cut in half. So I guess Anakin was an idiot for never learing that move from his teachers.
Darth Maul being cut in half was exactly the reason why Obi-Wan had an advantage with the high ground - he made that move, he knows how to counter it. A similar thing happened in the Rebels where in the last (?) episode Darth Maul with prosthetic legs found Obi-Wan and challenged him. Obi-Wan used the same stance Qui Gon used when he was killed by Maul, baiting him into repeating that same move, but with Obi-Wan being prepared and pulling an unexpected counter.
Obi-Wan learns by mistakes of other people.
Sheol_IK Indeed, Obi-Wan was the greatest practitioner of Form III (Soresu) on the Jedi Council which meant any aggressive mistake made by an opponent was doomed to fail. This is why he could best Grievous and his four sabers as well as Anakin.
That fight against Darth Maul was one of the most important and traumatic points in Obi-Wan's life. He became a master in Soresu to make sure it would never repeat itself. You can be sure he thought a lot about that moment he beat Maul and how he won.
No, see, things change greatly depending on our own point of view, as Obi-Wan concedes in RotJ. So from Obi-Wan's point of view, when he fought Maul, he still had the high ground. That's how Obi-Wan won.
My excuse for the two-handed style: no matter how much training you’ve had, you’re still afraid to only hold a burning laser sword with one hand. You’ve watched so many younglings drop it on their own toes too many times in your temple days
Fighting with a sword one handed is fucking stupid.
@@MrParkerman6... Er, not really. But you do need to fight very differently if you use only one hand. And, ideally, have a shield in the other hand because a defensive piece of equipment like that is incredibly useful.
@@solaridraconi6225 *accidentally drops real lightsaber due to lack of grip*
Also, the hilt of a lightsaber could be quite heavy.
Except Jedi are naturally quicker, more balanced and stronger with better reflexes as well as train since childhood. They shouldn’t have that much of a problem using one hand
Count Dooku used the point of his saber a lot. And in canon, he was considered an extremely good duelist.
One thing to remember with lightsabers is that it immediately cauterizes any wound.
but in exchange imagine the immense pain for it
Cauterizing can prevent bleeding but it increases the risk of infection if it is used broadly rather than with modern, targeted and limited options.
Antiseptic (and later aseptic) ligaments were developed to close off wounds as a direct result of all the infection deaths that were resulting from wound-scale heat-sealing that was common on battlefields. Burns arn't a clean surface and cause a lot of fluid blistering and inflamation to be stimulated. Burns are a wet surface almost immediately, from the inside-out
Well there's your reason why Dooku was one of the best duelists in the galaxy.
Some guys got a similar idea.
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Strangely enough, you just described the basis of form 2 lightsaber fighting. The problem with form 2 is that it is strictly meant for saber-saber combat. There are other scenarios that jedi have to face in combat that would require power strikes, fighting multiple opponents at once, or facing races/droids that are physically superior to the jedi. Perhaps you could do a video on variations of fighting styles for all these scenarios and more?
But form two is weak against heavy strikes, so when snaking fought him again in episode 3 he was channeling his rage into his strikes.
@@glowhoo9226 yet Dooku was still toying with Anakin. All Dooku would've had to do is gone on the offensive, the guy is ruthless when he attacks, combine his footwork, which is unmatched in that era and how he baits opponents to use Ataru and both variations of Form 5 against him (like he did against Obi-wan in episode 2) the guy is one of the top 5 lightsaber duelist in the order. Only Yoda and Battlemaster Cin Drallig could best him full on out but even then both would have a difficult time
@@xrstevenson Anakin defeated Dooku 1on1 while still only an apprentice. Dooku was the better fencer but Anakin was more powerful in the Force and once he learned to augment his fencing with his Force abilities he was able to defeat the older man.
Consideration of these Force abilities is missing from Shad's analysis (he basically treats the Jedi/Sith as normal human swordsmen), but in doing so he's overlooked that physical strength/power was also important to be able to push aside your opponent's blade and break through their defences.
@@GonzoTehGreat actually no, just because Anakin was strong in the force doesn't make him God, if he practiced and meditated as much as he used his lightsaber he would be more intuned with the force as good as the Jedi Council members, but no in episode 3 hus force powers are equal to Obi-wan's.... who was literally the weakest force user in the entire Order to date, Obi-wan went through hell just to get to where he is and Anakin was already there when he was like.... 14. Dooku is far more skilled than both of them in every aspect, the only reason Dooku lost his because of his age and because Palpatine told him to hold back when fighting Anakin
Edit: and just watch the fight in RotS again, Dooku is smiling most of the time even up until his arms get sliced off
If you use power strikes you will inevitably be easy to parry and overcommit your attacks, Makashi would be especially strong against Form 5's power strikes... That's more or less the first thing you learn in a swordfighting lesson...
These are the main reason why I found Count Dooku's saber design in Episode 2 far more believable than all the others, it seemed made for a fencing style of combat, which makes more sense with a weapon like this. Of course, I'd prefer a good old power sword to a light saber, but that's cause I'm grimdark.
I would just like to point out that while Shad is correct in most of his points, he is viewing these in light of historical swordsmanship, which I’ll grant, was the basis for lightsaber dueling in the movies. But as the lore has increased, we now know of seven lightsaber forms, several of which have specific purposes (form 3 being best for blocking while form 5 is more focused on aggressive attacking). Form 2 is the closest to what Shad says is the perfect way to fight. Also, when he talks about blocking incoming projectiles, Jedi usually keep the blade in front of them when blocking the projectiles (mirroring the stance of Form I).
To be fair, and to play the nerdy devil's advocate, Jedi can see microseconds into the future. It's how they can deflect blaster fire - they aren't moving with reflexes alone, they're reacting to a blast that hasn't happened yet, giving them more time. Most Jedi/Sith fights are really exercises in who is better with the force, and can see further into the future to block, parry, riposte, etc. faster. They spin, flip, and try as many moves as they can to try and psych out their opponent so they have a harder time predicting their moves. Now granted, this isn't stated well in the movies, and is inconsistent in the books, but it IS there.
In addition, it is shown in the books (kinda shown in the movies, but not as well) that cutting through metal and certain alloys takes time, and force. This means force is still important, and so switching to a two handed style is preferable at least when fighting droids and other such enemies.
well said
If that were the case how wouldn't fencing be a more effective form of fighting? Coming head on you could be attacked from almost every angle, where as a wide swing can only come from one side. Shit even a regular person could guess that an attack would be coming from the side the lightsaber is on. Also since a fencing style would have a shorter overall motion more attacks could be made in the same amount of time. Fencing would be the method of fighting with a lightsaber
@@Brynjor411 well, lightsabers and swords are very different, let me say it like this, if you used a lightsaber form, for ex Form V Djem so with a sword it probably wouldnt be as effective for it is more for acrobatic use, it is a different weapon, Fencing for a lightsaber wouldnt do as much since it is a tecnique for a sword not a lightsaber,
People too often compare swords and lightsabers as simular weapons when they really arne't, it is hard to explain that they both have different factors,
Lightsabers do not have an actual blade, it is a weird shape or "rod"
Jedi can predict attacks and block the easily with form III soresu
Lightsabers are lighter than swords
Lightsabers can deflect energy bolts
Big Mac If you want to fence with a light saber, just coffee count Dooku. Fencing in the world of Star Wars is only really effective when you have the curved light saber, and you focus on your light saber technique. If you’re finding a Nother force user, fencing or at least very defensive styles providing reach are fine, but against everything else though, it’s kind of stupid. Extending your arm to reach as far as you can would be a little biased if you have half a dozen people shooting blasters at you. This is the reason for having forms of light saber combat. Summar defensive and meant for defending against laser far. Some are offense of and acrobatic, meant for melee combat against a variety of creatures and beans that don’t need light sabers to fight you. Some forms are more focused and defending against force abilities. There isn’t just one way to find every opponent.
This is exactly how I've thought of it. It's the only thing that makes any real solid sense when thinking about lightsaber battles.
Technically, a "light shield" would be the best weapon. You can attack and defend at the same time without much risk.
Ray shields! We were smarter than this!
How bout light armor? and a light spear? and a light crossbow? and a light horse? thats my preferred play style.
Ubi Vermis Cerritulus light armor and you can just run at people and hug them to death.
Teemo
That’s hilarious
@@teemo2926 exactly, I see you're a man of culture.
How many cuts do you want to have?
Shad: Yes
Fun fact! Its incredibly difficult for a non force sensitive to wield a lightsaber because there is no weight in the blade. It's basically just a beam of light and a hilt. The only reason jedi can handle them is because they can sense the energy the Kyber Crystal emits.
Not really.
The blade has mass.
Otherwise two light sabers can’t crash but go trough the other one
@@DeutscherPatrick the blade has very little mass. Clashes aee caused by the same gyroscopic force that allows lightsabers to both cut and bounce off things.
Dont forget to yell "LIGHTSAIBAA" whenever you touch an opponent to death.
so funny enough, in lore there are multiple stances that all round off literally everything you're saying. They cover fighting others with sabers, fighting in a more open warlike area with sabers and blasters, as well as just blasters. Some of which involve the user using the force in tandem. What you're considering would be perfect is Makashi, stance 2 which is made specifically for dueling another saber wielding
Count Dooku did actually use a fencing style when fighting, and he was regarded to be an excellent fighter. Also, you have to take into account that their ability to detect danger through the Force makes it so that they can sense incoming attacks without seeing them
Shad: “a futuristic sword...”
A long long time ago: “am I a joke to you?”
futuristic =/= future
@@karlpoppins
a·go
/əˈɡō/
adverb
(used after a measurement of time) before the present; earlier.
"A long time AGO in a galaxy far far away"
Its the past,fiction (maybe), but the past none the less
@@grimaldusgonzalez6122 futuristic =/= future
An advanced civilization who simply developed faster than us
The biggest issue I see with using a lightsaber like a rapier is that a rapier has significant hand protection to allow you to keep your hand out in front of your body. One of the reasons you keep your hands back when fighting with swords that have no guard or simple crossguards is to protect your hand because it is very exposed if you dont have a shield or a very robust guard on the sword. Lightsabers dont even have so much as a disk guard unless you're talking about Kylo ren's lightsaber, and even his is identical to a longsword guard, which would still mean you wouldnt want to have your hands sitting in front of your body waiting to get hit.
*insert thank you meme*
I just realized, the rapiers guard influenced the practitioners' fighting style a ton. Holy shit that was very fundamental. Thanks for that insight.
Isn't it also possible for a lightsaber to slip from one's hand as he performs his "touching" whereas the laser blade thingy touches the Jedi's hand and burns it due to the fact that it has no cross guard?
Nasser FireLord Gaming it's possible. I would definitely want some protection from my own hand slipping up and touching the blade on accident. But unless your hand is really slick/wet for some reason (maybe sweaty palms or blood from combat..?) It's not a huge concern if the lightsabers themselves have proper grips. Especially if you're using it like a rapier
4:58 That is actually spot on since lightsaber battle is a psychological battle more than anything. The last battle with Kenobi and Maul was exactly that. Kenobi suggested a stance and Maul fell for it and was therefore struck quickly to death.
6:58 That is called Makashi. It was actually used by Dooku with masterful expertise (One-Handed Rapier like duel stance). Good against saber opponents for obvious reasons and blaster deflection is also alright.
I think the main reason they hold it with two hands is that one needs to consider the power a blaster shot or other incoming energy blade generates on the saber. I think with both hands on the grip it is less risky to lose grip over the handle.
But all in all I also would run around wielding it one-handed as long as I am not facing too strong of pressure on my weapon (powerful blaster bolts and ferocious strikes that endanger my weapon grip)
The stance Maul took on the last battle also happened when he killed Qui-gon. Qui-gon tried to strike from above but maul raised his handle to block his arm and stab him. In the last battle against Obi-wan, he did the same thing but Obi-wan sliced it in half and killed Maul.
More people Used to use Dooku's form, but they were in peace time, and the only thing they had to worry about were blaster bolts. So a lot of Jedi were canonically bad with light sabers.
@@rrteppo Nah. Form 2 or Dooku's form was used during the Old Republic when they were having wars with the Sith. As time went on blasters became more common and they had to adapt to styles more ideally against blasters. This is where Form 3 comes in, Obi Wan's Form. His form is defensive and more equipped against blaster bolts.
@@billybayaraa I'm pretty sure that's what he meant he just worded it weird.
Makashi was specifically for duelists though
9:42 Even though he is a Sith Lord, Kylo Ren holds a lightsaber like that sometimes. But he has the cross-guard Lightsaber.
Kylo is not a sith lmao
Apparently you do actually need power generation for lightsabers. The energy field around the blade generates a repelling force according to wookiepedia, so power and speed is needed to better overcome that force. Generally, more power and speed equals a faster more damaging cut due to more exposer to the blade proper.
Finally, I always thought someone who knew how to deliver a thrust and resist the force-given impulse to do spinny buggery would win all the lightsaber fights.
One thing you never really see with Jedi fighting as well is turning on and off your light saber mid combat imagine your opponent thinking they are going to block your swing then your light saver dissipates only to be reextended into a thrust.
They do that in the Expanded Universe. It is called Trakata, and it is considered quite dangerous and only for highly skilled combatants.
Force precognition. You can't feint effectively against an opponent that can literally see the future.
1 - That would be a high risk move under normal conditions because it would leave you temporarily defenseless. It takes the blade about a half second to active and reactive. A skilled fighter with super natural reflexes could react to that. 2 - In non-movie lore, there is a fighting style based around constantly switching the blade on-and-off during combat. But that is a pretty unconventional idea you wouldn't see someone like Kenobi using. It would be more like the Iaido of lightsaber combat styles
sr71silver Sure, I just think they'd take the more pragmatic approach.
It was done once in the Star Wars: The old Republic Cinematic trailer 'Return'.
Hmm... So dooku actually knew what was up with his lightsaber and fighting style
After a thousand years of not having to constantly fight against Siths, the second form fighting style lost its relevance since the Jedi mostly fought against blaster wielding opponents.
This is why Count Dooku is the best in 1v1s in battlefront 2
Also, when you hold the lightsaber with one hand, you can use the other hand to hold, say, a Klingon disruptor.
A disruptor pistol period, they existed in Star Wars. Use was frowned upon since they had the bad habit of disintegrating who they hit or burning large holes in things (a miss while on a ship could be catastrophic).
Disruptors are clumsy and random
Hold the light saber in one hand disabled.
Force Pull he opponent towads you
activate lightsaber
Profit.
Why not a lightbuckler? Or at least a lightdagger?
I mean it's called a sabre after all. Sabre in main hand, laser blaster pistol in other hand. You're basically a space pirate.
Did you ever hear the very interesting tragedy of Darth Whataboutdragons the Machicolations?
Tadicuslegion78
I heard he was slain by a missile guided pommel.
Deity1 Is it possible to learn this power?
this conversation should be copied and sent to Skall. he might get some kicks out of it
Shad! The amount of thought you give and info is INCREDIBLE. THANKS.
Thats actually the stance palpatine took when he battled windu, like a rapier.
Light saber forms
1 Shi-Cho: Basic moves
2 Makashi: Dueling
3 Soresu: Defence
4: Ataru: Acrobatics and speed
5: Shiem/Djem So: Power moves
6: Niman: Balance of all forms
7: Vapaad or Juyo: Force energy
juyo is just tricking your opponent and using cheap moves
Leo Cook I said basic cause it’s what younglingslearn
eoe123321 All of them!
@@dsalloopasd7151 its not cheap moves its tricking your opponent and getting the upper hand
shi cho users ain for the arm to disarm the enemy. juyo is manupilating the enemy by pretending like for example ur going for their feet so the enemy put the lightsaber to block the enemy aiming for their feet leaving the head open for the enemy to hit
Wanted to make couple of points, years after vid was released:
1) Most Light Saber Forms in the movies are geared towards combating blaster bolts, not other light sabers.
Jedi in the prequels haven't fought the Sith for centuries.
And Blaster Bolts in the setting are not lasers, they are plasma bolts so they have mass.
So you kinda need both hands on your lightsaber if you're going to deflect them.
2) If you don't hold to your lightsaber tightly - a Force-wielding opponent can just rip it out of your hand with telekinesis
3) 2 hands are better than one on the hilt because canon has experienced marskmen shooting the 1 hand holding the saber and Jedi/Sith loses it.
Without protection of lightsaber - protection against follow up shots goes down.
2 and 3 doesnt make much sense
u dont need always to block strikes for the the sake of the effect of power.
u can parry and counterattack also - especialy when you are quick and your sword has range but dont have much weight like a long sword
For 2: Force users all have a "force guard" up, preventing them from getting pwned by the force don't they?
I.e. Why didn't Vader just choke Obi Wan in their final battle? Because of the force guard
2 umm depends in rhe power of the oponent in the force
My biggest grievance was that in the films they don't treat lighsabers as being able to cut through anything easily. It would be cooler like that, but we see lightsabers bounce off railings, slide over surfaces, and bounce off Vader's armor.
@@alexanderkilburg7415 That's because Vader wears battle armor which is intended to do exactly that
What about dooku. We seen his fighting form and it is more like a rapier and usually starting with one hand and one um the back.
"Interesting contrast" he says as the sun decides to turn the contrast down by going behind a cloud
Some of the things you covered, are loosely covered by the 7 different forms of light sabre combat.
Examples
Kenobi was a master of form 3, a highly defensive form, adopted after the Jedi started facing blasters in combat, and making deflecting easier.
Anakin master of form 5, similar to form 3, but with more focus on powerful offensive strikes
Dooku master of form 2, the dueling form, poor against blaster, but devastating against other light sabres, it's a very uncommon form since blaster started being widely used and the sith disapeared. Due to most modern Jedi not encountering it often, it's very deadly.
Maul master of form 4, a highly acrobatic form relying heavily on stamina and the users ability to bolster their abilities with force movement. It's highly agressive and very limited on defense, this is how Kenobi defeated maul in episode one, by attacking aggressively Maul was unable to use form 4 to properly defend himself
Mace Windu form 7, commonly thought to be a dark side form, form 7 takes the emotion and force energy of the opponent, and uses it against them, this is how Master Windu was able to over power Palpatine, even after he cut down 3 other Jedi master with ease.
That's interesting lore but (apart from Dooku using one hand) NONE of that is in the films.
@@destawaits I don't think the choreographer cared in the slightest. We just see blocking and jumping around like a kung fu film.
@@destawaits I can assure you, whatever their inspirations, what we see does NOT reflect any real world swordsmanship. It's kids playing with sticks combined with magic jumping powers.
It's nice that they included styles (in the backstory at least) but they're way too rigid and way too exclusive. Something like a downwards blow being defining is laughable. That's like a soccer style based around using your left foot when you run. You can't say "ooh he cut downwards, that's form V; ooh he blocked, that's form III".
If you want to do that, everyone in the prequel trilogy (except Dooku maybe) is doing Form IV, i.e. hyperactive grasshopper style.
@@Robert399hell, the literal most fucking important element of Lightsabres isnt even conciously used in the films: Variable Blade Length. Lightsabre dueling would be basically a Rapier duel where youre looking to balance personal skill with carefully timed jumps in blade length to pierce a defense that was secure vs your lower-length blade.
Variable blade length was definitely an asset in a duel, if the light saber wielder was fortunate enough to have that. Variable blade length required multiple focusing crystals in the hilt instead of the much simple single crystal design. They were considerably more difficult to build.
i find your lack of dragons disturbing...
Space dragons
Sixty Five Oh First Those actually exist in Star Wars - 80's comics were pretty nuts.
Yeah, there are quite a few species of dragon in Star Wars. Most notably the Krayt Dragon.
Space dragons? Like King Gidorah?
I think some books say the hilt is heavy; and the field that controls the blade shape spins, almost like how a chainsaw spins, so it gives it a slight sway and probably jumps a lot when it contacts with other lightsabers.
Disney NEEDS to hire this man to be a choreographer.
Dammit Shad! Stop ruining Starwars... Leave that to Disney!
I mean Shad can't beat them, they've already done a smashing job on their own. :P
Oh, come on. Lucas did that just fine on his own. If anything, these movies are a tremendous improvement to the prequel trilogy, even with their flaws. It's not like the original trilogy is flawless, anyways. People just often lack the ability to look at the franchise objectively.
Chauncer, um no. First, I'm highly objective. Second, the prequels were fun space adventure movies, that added to the Starwars canon. I managed to type 5 pages of POINTS showing how episode 7 shit all over that canon, after only seeing it once.
I, in particular, actually have the ability to look at something and think "Hmm I like that, even though it is pretty bad," and vice versa. I agree with you that the original trilogy is not flawless, not by a long shot. In fact I personally think the Jabba sequence makes the least sense out of everything in the original 6 movies, and it is my favorite part of the original trilogy. But episode 7 reached a whole new level of incomprehensible stupidity, with unsympathetic characters, and a series of coincidences that had odds no where near possible. In the end there is nothing likable about that movie other than Chewbacca!
+Chauncer
You're not wrong, but at least the prequels are so bad they're good. You can't even enjoy how bad TLJ is.
Chauncer dude... disney ruined space battles. War became obsolete the moment they had holdo kamikaze the first order. Suddenly, thousands of years of wars seems meaningless if all you need is a hyperdrive to cause such catastrophic damage. You could even question whether episode 4 needed to happen. Imagine if the empire came rooling in, and suddenly c3p0 stood there with a calamari cruiser and said "oh dear" *boom* straight down the beam cannals of the death star, before vader had time to get into hia fighter. Franchise over.
Now, with the rebellion fleet destroyed, they should just steal hyperdrives and mount them on asteroids and hurl them at the first order. Strap bb8 to the engine, it seems to be omnipotent so it should be fine.
I remember Skallagrim doing a video on the same topic a while ago, and the conclusions were very similar (there was also nice point about defense with just the blade with no cross-guard - would be more about binding the opponents blade with your own and generally more about tactical positioning rather than actuall parries and deflects) - made me think that actual lightsaber duels would be a quite similar to olympic-style fencing.
There's also one more thing about the handling of a lightsaber - Some sources seem to indicate, that there are some centrifugal forces involved in how the plasma/whatever flows in the blade, which makes the lightsaber difficult to control (I would imagine it like fighting with a weaponized gyroscope... Or maybe a sword that has a gyroscope pommel?).
Jiří Mothejzík I wonder if it'd be possible to create a rapier that has a lightsaber style handle and could include a gyro in it, balanced to match what a lightsaber would feel like as much as possible
You've essentially explained why rapier fencing won't work. According to the SW lore, anyway. Yes, indeed, lightsaber blades, or rather the magnetic field creates this gyroscopic force/whatever, that forces blade into a vertical position, with the point either up or down, simulating weigh of the blade. So a lightsaber wielder has to put some force (both kinds) into maintaining a desired stance.
Yeah. The gyroscopic field is mentioned in "Dark Nest" by Troy Denning. Tarfang (an Ewok) gets his hands on Luke's lightsaber and gets spun around because of the gyroscopic movement.
Jiří Mothejzík Only force users can safely weild a light saber.
Like that black dude in the newer star wars movies. He was really brimming with force, I daresay :P
Literally if you play Vader Immortal, this is SOOOO accurate
I always thought the jedi and sith developed these techniques to style on their opponents.
You're absolutely right Shad. Lightsaber fencing should look like our Olympic epee or foil fencing if anything.
Indeed. I've been saying this for years. And I've gotten all kinds of flak from Star Wars fanboys for saying that the much maligned light-saber duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader in A New Hope is actually one of the more realistic saber fights in the series for emphasizing quick cuts and thrusts over flashy powerful swings.
skjaldulfr I think the Jedi fight the way they do because they are Jedi they don’t need to fight how WE think makes sense because they have basically super powers and human history in Star Wars is logically much different then are own so rapier like weapons might not even have existed by the time space travel and the Jedi came to be so maybe it just didn’t dawn on them
well when it comes to having to kill things, people pick up on good ways to do so, regardless of culture. The Kriegsmesser, and Katana being invented by 2 civilizations whom had no contact with each other at that point which do essentially the same thing with the same upsides and drawbacks is a good example of this.
However, a small point has been ignored being the light saber fighting style used by Count Dooku, heavily resembling fencing, and rapier style swordsmanship even to the point of having a curved light saber handle, to allow him better control over it. Even one of the weaknesses to his lightsaber fighting style is heavy handed brute force you would see in say, a rapier duel against someone with a larger standard sword. Maybe even a kriegsmesser. It would be interesting for him to be considered in a future video about lightsaber fighting v reality, specially considering he was cosidered the best lightsaber duelist in the Galaxy.
w2gMk that is true it was a form of combat called shi cho I believe and is described as basically being like fencing very elegant and precise
I'm thinking olympic sabre fencing might be more appropriate.
So basically confirmation that Christopher Lee is the greatest on screen laserswordsman in terms of technique (and saber).
Also lightspears (aka lightsaber on a stick), thoughts?
Well mate you have to remember that by the time of the Prequels the Jedi were an extremely conservative and traditionalist religious order that had been in a slow decline for a while, way back during the time of the old republic there were a hell of a lot more force users and they were on average a lot more powerful in the force so it's reasonable to assume that back then there would be enough force users to have many different skill levels for many different styles of plasma weapons, such as whips, Double ended, dual blades ect.
It makes sense because chad basically described form two, which dooku preferred
well thanks for pointing that out. I tend to see lightspears as a more realistic/interesting option if we put plasma/laser/beam/meow power into question. I mean... you can keep your distance, I THINK you could keep using naginata/spear techniques and they wouldn't differ so much. Idk.
Yeah spears are great, although you would want a plasma/heat resistant metal.
the problem with spears is they are much harder to use when blocking blasters (ie the most common enemy)
I thought for a couple minutes that he'd painted that longsword bright blue to mimic a light saber, but then I realized it was just super shiny and reflecting the sky
I also don't understand how you could block a beam of concentrated light with another beam of light, because they should go right through each other.
That’s Form II, Makashi. That’s why Count Dooku was so deadly in a lightsaber duel.
And Shaak Ti
@@ChupeTTe In the force unleashed game I schooled shaak ti with a djem so ataru soresu hybrid with shien grip probably the most impractical form ever she was easiest boss ever she also didn't appear to use Makashi I'll take a closer look though
Korbin Klawitter nah starkiller is just a force tank
That’s the sheer power of a protagonist.
Korbin Klawitter Starkiller doesn’t use forms like that my guy. You can’t say you schooled someone when you have premade animations lmao.
As a man admittedly largely a fanboy of HEMA, I must say i was horrified by the lightsaber "duel" between rey and discount vader, in the force awakens. I mean, I am certain beyond a shadow of a doubt, had I been in kylo ren's position, I could have killed rey at least 4 times. AT. LEAST.
Two-Juice Frosty. It can partially be chalked up to him trying to take her alive. Still doesn't completely excuse it but makes it slightly less horrid.
Also, he, y'know, got shot minutes before the fight.
As Derek Neese he has been nerfed.
Derek Neese that legitimately does not matter. No offense. Just because you got shot doesn't mean you forget a lifetime of training. Besides, these guys are supposed to operate on a level far above normal humans right? So suck it up, ahem, buttercup.
It's is established that you can replace hands quite easily in SW. Chop them of and take her in.
I actually find Star Wars’s lightsaber combat fascinating, because in Legends it’s a fully fleshed out martial art.
You still need power delivery to at least bream the strength of the opponents wrists. Youd have to use 2 hands or a bigger swing to do any kind of knocking of the opponents blade
Form 2 combat is close to fencing, and you can see Dooku using many of the moves you recommend. However, I believe power strokes are necessary in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat; especially for the fact that the blades have *negligible* mass.
The weight of a blade provides a certain amount of defense because it helps repel an incoming attack. Any strike against a lightsaber transfers the kinetic energy straight into the wielder's wrists, and a heavy strike against the tip of a blade would produce a powerful leverage effect.
Poking someone with a lightsaber could actually be less lethal than poking them with a rapier, as a rapier causes bleeding while a lightsaber cauterizes the wound.
The biggest concern with lightsaber users is being disarmed, and the biggest chance of being disarmed is a weak grip on an overreaching saber with one hand, i.e. fencing style.
The power stroke is to defend and to break the opponent's guard, then follow through with a limb or torso cleaving arc, which is much more difficult to do when at fencing distance.
*Edit* My reasoning was concerned with two proficient and force sensitive users of lightsabers fighting each other. One would use a very different fighting style against anything that wasn't resistant to lightsabers, which is what advanced Form 1 combat is like.
Very true, thank you sir for this rather beautiful comment
Thank you for explaining so well. While power isn't always necessary for offense, it's still critical for defense. Heck, watch the end of ROTJ. Luke is swinging that saber like a hammer before he disarms daddy. You don't need strength to cut, but you do need it to break the guard of a bigass cyborg.
Other than the fact that lightsaber blades are confirmed in canon to have weight, very much correct. They can't reasonably be assumed to have sufficient weight to negate the validity of a rapier-like fighting style, but there IS weight behind the blade itself, and there IS weight to the defense as well. And as mentioned, this low weight BUT added lethality (except from thrusts which would have to hit vital organs to incapacitate) means that 2-handed power strikes are going to be important. Well said!
I think power strokes from an attacking light-saber user is negligible, since the blades have no/little mass. There would be no significant Inertia gained to blow through a parry.
I dunno, a sword with a physical blade made from light-saber resistant material, or an Electro-staff would work I guess, but they would have to get take a moment wind and take that strike. A Saber with no mass, is going have near instant point control, a fraction of a second to close the gap.
Lightsaber blades still confirmed to have some weight to them. And you're assuming the blade that's being used to block has more weight, which in a lightsaber duel, it doesn't. And if the defender is instead using a (heavier) blade of lightsaber-resistant material, then you'd need even more power behind your strike to push past it. And the added weight of their blade behind their swings would make them better able to utilise one-handed strikes against a lightsaber user who would be forced into 2-handed defense.
So, lightsaber fighting would look more like modern Olympic fencing
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Including the op power lunging.
except for the "Scoring a millisecond before your opponent" part. Assuming Jedi value their own lives anyway
Yep, with a bit of tennis when reflecting blaster bolts.
More like traditional fencing!
Hey Shad! A film channel called Corridor Crew just posted a video about re-envisioning a more realistic lightsaber, and worked with a professional swordfighter to choreograph a fight scene! They talk about their process in the full length video, and the fight scene is also available separately on their main channel, Corridor, titled “To the DEATH”
As soon as I saw it I thought of you-I think you would love it!
Very illuminating - thanks for the time you took to analyze fictitious weapon from point of view of competent swordmanship.
The rapier stance that you demonstrate reminded me about the duels fought in Ridley Scott's "The Duelists".
It would be GREAT if you could in depth analysis of the duels fought in that movie.