The Expanse - 4x5 Oppressor - Group Reaction
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- čas přidán 12. 01. 2020
- So much drama going down on planet Ilus! Catch it now on episode 5 Oppressor of The Expanse! Hang back after the reaction to listen to the discussion and review!
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In the Expanse, being progressive means different thing, Earth, Mars and the Belt working together like the Rocinante crews. That is also what diversity means in the Expanse.
People are no longer discriminated due to their race, genders, religious beliefs, and sexual orientation. Therefore, in the Expanse point of view, having 2 female candidates as Secretary General is not considered a progressive. It's just a normal thing.
Leave it to the normies to inject contemporary identity politics into a story set 200 years in the future. I was especially annoyed when they went on about terrorism and "brown people", "representation" based on skin color etc. None of this would matter to the people living in that setting, just like it shouldn't today. We are just not evolved enough as a society yet.
Didn't they do the same thing with Anna being a priest? Like "wow they got female priests so soon in the future". Meanwhile, my city has had a lesbian bishop for years.
Another way to look at it, is that no matter how much you stamp out racism over things like skin color, hair, etc., new racism emerges over things like bone density, and humanity still has an innate need for an "in-group" and and "out-group". i.e. you can never eliminate racism in society, you can only change what it's racist about.
The only exception is if there's a challenge so great that humanity *has* to come together, because the external force can take the place of the "other".
Wow, I wanted to say the same thing to Mickey but I held back because I thought I was a little harsh, glad to see someone share my opinion. I remember he said something similar about Anna because she is a lesbian pastor.
@@renx81 Agreed. Maybe this is especially true to Americans? They like to make a big deal out of these kinda stuff. Why cant someone be in position of power because of their ability instead of their gender or race.
regarding the discussion you guys had about the ship sojourner. That is an Earth settler ship that was waiting to go through the ring when it was attacked by Belter pirates. Later during the Belter discussion or trial, Marco told them that the ship was already sold for scrap. Which is what Drummer told the Earth forces. That is why when they ID'd the ship, Avasarala realized that either the belters lied to them, or were lied to themselves about the ship. In either case, the ship was compromised and no Earthers were on the ship anymore (we saw their bodies spaced). That is why they fired on it.
I can't even comprehend how happy the beginning of the video made me, and I can't even quite explain why.
People who whine in the comments for the reaction to a different show,....while on the reaction video of another totally unrelated show, ......are the absolute WORST!!!!
Thank you! Its sooo annoying.
It could be more to do with the availability of the expanse for some people.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That doesn't really justify the whining. They should simply not watch the reaction if they can't watch the show. Or if they don't want to watch the show. Someday there may be reactions to a show they like that not a lot of people are seeing, and then the shoe will be on the other foot.
In the beginning the Belters and Lucia were trying to blow up the launch pad so that the Earther ship have no landing zone. They didn't realize that the ship was already coming. Lucia warned that the engine of the ship will trigger the explosives when it landed, killing everyone. She instead triggered the explosives early, the shrapnel from the exploded launch pad took out the ship above it.
Amos, never disappoints with his great one liners... LMAO
Congrats, Rana!!! =)
OMG Great intro guys, can't believe they've have watched your reactions thats crazy, bet it felt great when they talked about your skits!
But did you and Ty and Daniel ever hang out at the bar??
Avasalara's argument for maintaining power is the same as Julius Caesar's: "I saved you from the enemy years ago, so I deserve to have all power from now on." That's not a winning argument.
And Avasalara has indeed been handling things as though she were an absolute monarch. She should, for instance, have chartered a portion of Illus to the Ganymede Belters along with a science team to investigate the Protomolecule. Instead, she gave the lithium mining charter to an Earth corporation. If she expects the OPA to enforce the blockade against their own people, she should have thrown them that bone, because they have no benefit right now to show for their alliance. But she's in absolute monarch mode, she's always been bureaucrat, not a politician.
Murtry is about the same as Errinwright, just on a smaller scale.
Thing about Gao though is that even if she were to win, she would find herself in exactly the same position once she has all the information, making the opposite judgements of Avasarala so far could potentially cost thousands of lives. The home front wouldn't change at all significantly because well, change needed always moves at a snails pace..she would be just like any other figure head who gets push back from her opposition that would probably last her entire installment. No different in the real world honestly. Doesn't mean she shouldn't run, but the realities are...doesn't quite mean anything.
@@xerozeven Gao was Avasalara's deputy. She already has all the information. She understands the danger, but also understands that the UN Secretary-General is not queen of the Solar System. Sooner or later neither Mars nor the OPA will be willing to protect the blockade because they will not continue to shoot down their own people, and when Earth ships start running it, it will not be politically feasible for the UN to shoot them down.
@@kirkdarling4120 Chartering a portion wouldn't have worked. The RCE Expedition was to supposed to arrive, set up domes and do the science, disturbing the biome as little as possible. The Belters, just by being there and engaging in activities like mining lithium have already screwed that up for the expedition.
Kirk Darling Gao seems to have a child’s view of the world and system.
@@kirkdarling4120 As I understand it, the RCE commission was awarded before the belters stormed through the ring. Chrisjen didn't initiate that conflict of claims. Nor did the belters intend to claim-jump the RCE contingent.
It was just an unfortunate circumstance which was made worse by bad actors on both sides. And Holden stuck his dick in it.
I wouldn't say Syfy didn't know what they are doing, rather they can't afford to keep it going.
They chose to sell out the online viewing rights to another company and only took money from the live screening. Its kind of like blockbuster not buying Netflix before streaming took off, so yeah they did kind of screw themselves over on it.
Not really... it assumes they have the money to do all of it alone and chose to sell out those rights to Netflix. Syfy is not a massive network to begin with. They were at the low end of 2nd tier at best. When the series was announced, I have very low expectation because they simply don't have the money... commitment to make good sci-fi wasn't the issue. And when the show came out, it was even more so because the production looks good. There no way for them to afford it. Amazon on the other hand, is another matter.
@@widget3672 SyFy never owned the streaming rights to sell in the first place. SyFy had the TV rights only to a show that wasn't theirs. Hence why they were willing to drop the show.
In the Book, Lucia is Katoa's mom. So Jakob's reaction in that very "we've lost too much already" way would have had a lot more weight if they have kept that part in.
Really? Damn. I wonder why they left it out in the show.
I think they left it out because Basia's actor was only used in one scene from season 2, so it would've been a stretch to get him back or give him a role as big as he has in the book - but I do agree, it made more sense that he'd be opposed to Felcia getting educated with his experience with Doctor Strickland.
Also thought it would've been so good to get Havelock on the Edward Israel, there could've been so much more action in space - but we did get Avasarala, Bobbie, Drummer and Claes between scenes... Could've been nice to keep the aspect ratio consistent too - but it was nice getting the extra context while this season went on.
@4:22
RE : The "Rana" call out in the past episode being a shoutout to the Normies by the writers.
I called it!!!
I totally called it!!!!
You made it, Rana!!!!!
You're CZcams famous(er) now.
It was already confirmed in the comments of that specific reaction.
You're very late :D
@@Jantzku
I AM the guy who called it in the comments section of that specific reaction. (feel free to go find it and check the time-stamp as I was one of the first people to comment on that reaction).
That's what I was referring to here.
I'm not "very late"
You're just very SLOW.
Dumbass.
@@Cbricklyne Maybe you were right, but why you have to call me dumbass?
@@Jantzku I know right, rude for no reason.
So awesome to meet them and have them actually be fans of your own stuff! And such genuine, cool people!!! Can’t WAIT for book 9!!!!
Great reaction guys! The second half of this season is my favorite and I can't wait to see your reactions. I love the Holden and Amos/ Holden and Naomi relationships. & As much as I appreciate and want Chrisjen to win, Nancy Gao was making some points during that debate.
mj j Same. She was making some great points but I also feel like she is not taking the dangers of the protomolecule seriously so they should just turn into one person.
@@adrianmiller103 yeah I do agree that she doesn't take the dangers of the protomolecule seriously. Its a tough situation.
Agree. Gao is only seeing the opportunities the ring presents. Shes young and naive. She could never be strong enough to make tough decisions like Avasarala did in this episode. And can you imagine her in charge when a protomolecule disaster like Eros pops up again? She’d probably call Avasarala, first thing. Lol
ohnofan I haven’t real ahead in the books but I’m 100% betting that’s going to be a plot point. Something is going to attack earth and that’s how they’re going to reintroduce Chrisjen!
Nancy Gao is willing to send people through the rings and if they all die, or antagonize something on the other side, oh well. That's not her problem. Avarsarela sees it as her mandate to protect humanity from their own stupidity (like when they were going to use a laser to attack the ring-gate).
The whole Nancy - Avasarala dynamic is about doing the right thing or doing the popular thing. And I'd say it's very well done.
I enjoy your reactions to this show so much. And the meeting with the writers was really cool. Loved the Angel Investigations t-shirt also.
Sometimes the Belters are their own worst enemies. Book five is where the shit hits the fan big time.
Can't wait for season 5, that's when the show will be juicy af
I really hope we get a 6th season and while I've not idea if they will try to take it past book 7, I think it could be a pretty damn good place to finish... At least until the actors age a bit more or we get genuinely convincing ageing special effects...
@Roya Even so, I feel like finishing on book 6 wouldn't be too bad - but I worry that by then we'll have the final book and somehow we're going to end up ruining it... Maybe they could change the time frame, I know in Cibola Burn, James Holden is supposed to be greying up, but the series so far has kept that pretty tame... It's possible they'll change the time frame and carry on with the main plot points - but I was kind of looking forward to seeing old-old lady Avasarala... She also has a thing for Pistachios so kind of was looking forward to seeing her leave shells everywhere when she's so old she has stopped giving even less of a fuck...
Even so, I thought ending on season 3 would've been a good "open book" kind of finale, but looking at it, Babylon's Ashes wouldn't be a horrible place to call it all to an end... Still, quite the sci-fi series to cover an entire lifetime of a crew from start to finish spanning the biggest shift ever to face humanity (I can't think of a better idea than exactly what happens in the books - but hey, the show has not been too disappointing so far and with the original writers on the staff, they could only go so wrong...
5:38 she saved all those people by blowing it early.
There plan was to blow the launch pad as they landed killing everyone
pat is the kind of guy who commits a genocide because 0.1% of a group are bad.
So? Did you guys actually grab a beer with them?
However, Nancy Gao is giving jobs to people she selected that would otherwise have been part of the lottery. All that Nancy Gao is REALLY doing is setting up her own group of people owing her in return for their jobs. How is that better than the lottery?
My thoughts exactly.
At least with her these people have jobs.
@@remliqa But at the cost of somebody else, who may have been waiting just as long, and been just as qualified, but did not have Nancy Gao feeling that she OWED them something. Nepotism is always nepotism.
@@LeeCarlson
She didn't take away opportunity from other , she created jobs for them on her team at her expense. The only on bearing the cost here is her.
@@remliqa, she subverted the random nature of the lottery, in order to fulfill her own desires. The intention of the lottery (as a lottery) is to be "impersonal." She only "helped" those that she felt "deserved" to be helped. To my eyes, she acted unethically. You are free to disagree.
When someone is throwing space ships at my political debate I dont think I want to be on earth anytime soon.
The Sojourner was the ship carrying those corpses that came floating into the Ring-space during the second episode. Inaros took it, killed the "Earth citizens" aboard it, and then lied to Ashford and company telling them that it had been scrapped while actually, he sent it on a trajectory to attack the Earth's defense perimeter.
“We need you to come off as more approachable...”
“Get the fuck out” 😂
Avasarala might be awesome, but in the time of The Expanse, she's a conservative. She accepts the unfairness of Basic, and is part of a political dynasty, allowed torture, etc etc
And also answered that the system was fine the way it was
But then she supports basic, which is social welfare, a liberal position. Politics in this show don't line up well with modern politics, the typical left right scale doesn't work here.
@@Rooklander Liberal and conservative are relative terms. Like you said, it doesn't line up with contemporary politics, because the times have changed, but that doesn't make those terms invalid, they just mean different things.
@@renx81 so goes the popular talking point. I disagree, if the meaning behind using those terms change completely nearly every 20 years they become worthless. Note, originally I was commenting on the use of conservative and liberal, both being a bit more narrow and useful, though still debatable in meaning. Getting my words switched, but still hold to what I ment, left and right are near useless, liberal and conservative while have some wiggle room would become meaningless if their definition can change on such a scale over time. They refer to relatively specific value sets.
@@Rooklander liberal and conservative aren't opposites, even in America. Progressive and Conservative are opposites. And you're mistaken. There have always been conservatives throughout history, and that isn't going to change in the future. And Basic in The Expanse isn't UBI, it is a very conservative program that doesn't allow social mobility, because people on Basic don't get money and can't work or go to school, they just get basic housing, food, entertainment and medicine
The opening had me with a dumb through and through smile. I loveeed it.
Murtry speech on 4:33 was soooo badasss
Avasarala knew that ship was a threat. She did the right thing but will be ripped for it.
On another note, boy the belters sure picked a crappy looking planet to lay claim to didn’t they. Doesn’t seem to be the kind of place one could grow crops, etc. you know, the basic resources necessary to survive. Yes, they found lithium to mine but that meant they’d have to mine it, transport it, and sell it to someone to get money to buy the supplies they needed to survive like food. I don’t know, maybe they just don’t know how to start a new settlement. If they truly wanted to start over, relying on someone in our solar system to buy lithium from them was a really bad idea. In fact, the lithium was why RCE even went there.
I want to own a own planet...
What episode was with the Rana skit? I think I might have missed it.
Damn yall flipped on avasarala so fast 😂
SciFi (I still refuse to call them syfy) have canceled so many epic shows over the years. The shot callers for this company/channel truly don't know wtf they are doing, or what sci fi fans want.
How did Avasarala's supposedly great at their jobs election team not know about Gao's alts all having been hired for jobs on Gao's team?!! That is NOT something that would've been overlooked.
I'm not certain, but it might have just been that *Syfy* may not have been able to afford *The Expanse.* I just don't know if it's about them being short-sighted.
Damn it Holden. Tell the truth, but not the whole truth.
In that scene, Holden reminded me again of Jon Snow. Nobody could believe what he was saying about the Army of the Dead. And he knew nobody would believe him, but he still couldn't stop speaking of it, becaue it needed to be known. And he also used to be too noble for his own good.
The dudes that want to own a moon/planets.... are (checks title) The Oppressors
I feel like the military presence was going to be a problem regardless. They didn’t want the Belters there and making money. The scientists were just there for science.
Yo Rana looking good af in that outfit though!
Pat... no thanks.
Whenever one of you mentions the way the Belters rushed to the ring despite being shot at, you call it a bum-rush... Sorry, but that's not what that expression means!
A 'bum's rush' is when a bouncer grabs a drunk by the back of the collar and the back of his belt and guides him out the door... often ending with a final toss like throwing bailed hay! ;-]
The actual expression that fits what you are describing is 'running the gauntlet'.
I agree originally but the term has changed over the years as many terms have. Now bum rush is used as they said. For example the meaning when someone says gay has changed. Went from happy, to also meaning homosexual and now the meaning has expanded to include stupid or lame.
Marco Inaros LIED about the Sojourner, and everybody is surprised? Inaros is all about telling subjective Truths which do not align with the facts of the matters.
Kinda funny a bunch of brown dudes side with the colonials showing up with 'treaties'. I swear Pat sides with the clearly morally bankrupt villain every single time
Swwwwwaaaaaag!
When Nancy Gao got her unfair chance, she extended her favor to the people that she jumped over so that they got an unfair chance.
Why did Chrisjen leave her husband and marry the cowardly priest?
Oh, that’s not the cowardly priest?
Wait, that’s Chrisjen’s original husband from before the older guy, and it was his son that was killed?
That’s the same husband from previous seasons?
So they cast someone who not only looks different (and looks like a previous character) but acts different?
At least they let us know explicitly so no one would get confused.
It’s not funny y’all! electing strong women is way hard. PTSD from ‘be likeable’
Chief Murtry has done nothing wrong. The actor (Burn Gorman) may have villainous facial features, but Morty has been justified in all of his actions thus far.
Is he a bit harsh? Sure, but the Belter terrorists killed many of his people and Murphy's job on the RCE mission is security and he has done what needed to be done. And he is right to call out Holden and the Roci for harboring one of those terrorists. Marty is just being pragmatic.
The issue is about escalation. Murtry uses the situation to further his personal goals. He constantly increases the violence. Once he had audio evidence of who the terrorists were, he ambushed them and killed them. If Holden was in his shoes he would of released that information to everyone and try to make an arrest.
Murtry is not pragmatic, his end goal to remove every belter for profit. Even in times of need, he refuses to help anyone and uses provocation and violence to assert more control.
This whole season tackles the idea of frontier justice and whether you can ever think of it as "justice".
I actually understand Murtry and why he is pissed, but that doesn't give him the right to go around and shoot people. Holden and the Roci crew did the right thing by letting Lucia stay on the ship because Murtry would have killed her.
It's really cool how this season exposes the petty fascists amongst us with the "murtry did nothing wrong" bs
But don't forget what Amos said, he knew people like Murtry. He is a killer. And he will give excuses to justify his killing. Like some psycopath cops, that kill someone just because he was a thug or has criminal history etc etc.
So no, what Murtry did was wrong. He can't be a judge, jury and executioner (Naomi's line). He has no right whatsoever. Yes, what the Belters did was wrong, however, by doing another wrong thing cannot be righteous. 2 wrong things cannot be right. It would make the situation worse.
Murtry should have used his army to arrest all the suspects, instead of acting like "judge, jury and executioner". He is very wrong for killing people like that, even if he is the victim of a bomb attack. He wasn't being attacked anymore when he started a killing spree. There was no imminent threat, what he did wasn't self-defense, like some people seem to think. It was pure murder and revenge.
Is The 100 supposed to be uploaded today?
Oh no, another reaction I cant watch anymore! Stopped watching reactions with Douchebag-Pat after GoT season six.
yeah he is so annoying he's always playing tough but then i watched the witcher reaction and he is like cowering at the sight if a kikimora
I'm not a socialist.. I need a government that gets the hell out of my way... not one that over-taxes me in order to force me to pay for things I don't need.
The 100 please
WTF? We want The 100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have to comment on an Expanse video? They will upload the 100 soon I'm sure.
@@MS_25826 Darling, I think Expanse wasn't supposed to be today. I think they made a mistake.
@@andersonalencar4313 Don't call me darling. And they upload The Expanse and The 100 on Mondays according to their schedule.
@@MS_25826 OMG, I didn't know you were so sensitive. Sorry.
@@andersonalencar4313 not sensitive.. just answering you since you seemed worked up about it.
America did nothing wrong in attacking that Iranian general