Mike and Darren: Unplugged ep. 4
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Big thanks to Sugrue's daughter for these. You've changed a lot of lives getting these guys on the internet. I'm a polysci student and these video's fill in a lot of what professors either dont know about, can't focus on, or just miss.
Fr have you heard the podcast she’s hosting
@@floresdta which podcast?
@@mariovicente it’s called The Idea Store
@@floresdta thanks!
@@mariovicente he has a Substack which is like a blog/writing forum that I would recommend too
This channel is so much more valuable and meaningful than my undergraduate degrees.
The video on Stoicism brought me to tears. What a treasure chest of a resource.
You're a legend, Michael, and this footage enriches lives. Thank you.
Crying during a video on Stoicism? How ironic.
All men die, but not all men die whining.
@@zarathustrafoundation Please explain, I'd love to hear :-)
Please consider applying a portion of this to get a premium zoom account so as to not limit these two to 40 minutes!
ok. I'll tell Genny
@@dr.michaelsugrue whatever but plz don't stop uploading on CZcams.
Prof I second this and if you wanted to set up a patron to lubricate your air time many would support this I am sure. Best wishes from the south east of England
Will be missing these discussions - but will rewatch the old ones.
Glad to be here! My fave philosophically and culturally erudite professors on youtube, for sure! Thank you all for the easily-accessible contribution.
also, first!!
I'm here, lol 😆 finally.
Thank you to everyone involved with this channel for such a powerful educational tool. Professor Sugrue's talks are just medicinal. I cannot describe it better than that.
Thank you. Long live your friendship/collaboration.
Delighted to hear these guys chat and invoke Kubrick and Cohen in the same conversation.
These gentlemen 👌....No fluff. Pure substance. Love it.
Dr. Sugrue, thank you again for highlighting the connection between Xenophon's Anabasis and the Warriors! Stellar insight. I appreciate the channel.
0:38 Late 1970s Movie called _The Warriors_ is underrated to Michael Sugrue.
3:20 Andrei Tarkovsky, who made 7-8 films, Darren Staloff likes his story structure, The material he uses is great.
7:25 Horse walks across a field for 5 minutes 🐎.
10:16 2001 _The Star Baby_
11:26 _A Clockwork Orange_ by Anthony Burgess, film by Stanley Kubrick.
15:32 _Gone With The Wind_
16:35 Alex - Without Law
These exchanges are now my favourite thing on CZcams. Such an utter pleasure listening to these two intellectual giants riff on what they find great, crap, or interesting. I feel renewed in my love for ideas and the great sea of thought history has left us to wade through. Splendid!
Please, please, please keep these fantastic discussions coming!!!
seeing this live, what a treat
I commented this before but I'd really like for both to read. 2 content suggestions!
1) Would love to hear Dr. Sugrue do a in depth lecture on Socrates and why he has an appreciation for Socrates as opposed to Plato and Aristotle.
2) An episode of Mike and Darren talking about quotes, verses, etc. That impacted both in their lifetime
This is my favorite episode thus far. Darren’s humor and enthusiasm shine through in his description of William Gaddis. I was laughing out loud. Thank you both!
These were some excellent underrated picks. Love the film and music references
You two make a lifelong learning project something that sustains life itself. Man does not live by bread alone; learning does feed man also. Thank you so much!
Thank you professors Sugrue and Staloff for being willing to share with the rest of us your love of learning. Every episode is a masterclass in respecting your audience and proving how much fun learning can be. The joy you two masterminds exhibit sharing what you’ve learned about so many things is truly infectious. Not a feeling I ever experienced sitting in a high school or college classroom. The only other time I remember being this excited to watch something learned was when PBS aired the old television series, Meeting of Minds, created, hosted and moderated by Steve Allen. I would love to hear how you two historians might reimagine Mr. Allen’s daring concept for today’s audience; whom might you resurrect from the past to share a debate stage. I myself would love to see G.K. Chesterton and Nietzsche square off. I hope you’re feeling better, Dr. Sugrue.
Watching these guys discuss topics convinces me a true intellectual friendship is truly possible!
I keep a scratchpad with proper nouns that you two mention so I can look into them later. Soon I'll need a second page haha. Also, it seems that every time you two have a conversation, the livestream ends early at 35-40 minutes. Is there a way you could extend the stream for your full conversation? Either way, thank you for sharing what you will. Take care!
I think a conversation about and critique of Allan Bloom's The Closing of An American Mind would be interesting, especially as it pertains to cultural norms today.
Lead me not into temptation.
Just a house wife/ uni student living in suburbs 🙄…getting all excited when these pop up! Really appreciate it, think maybe a discussion on “Hannah Arendt” could be on the cards?
I love you guys so much! I’ve had some health issues that have taken me away from school but no matter where I go, hospitals, clinics, or stuck in bed, I’ve been able to explore philosophy with you guys! Your commitment to FREE high quality education has helped me immensely and is something I will not forget! Keep up the amazing work!!
Thank you for making these lectures public. Truly grateful. Please keep producing. With love and best wishes from Pakistan.
Small suggestion: It's my guess that more descriptive titles of videos can help more CZcams users discover these gems.
Love the Tarkovsky conversation. Kubrick, Bergman, Kurosawa, Bresson, Renoir, Welles, Vigo, Fellini, Jodorowsky. Yes, Plato, there is great poetry 👌
huge shout out to genevieve for her talent scouting abilities
Another amazing unplugged episode (though I really wanted to hear what Professor Stalof was going to say about Leonard Cohen’s most distinctive trait before the video timed out)! I was particularly pleased that they ventured into the realm of cinema and that they covered Tarkovsky and Kubrick!
Any fans of Laurence Sterne’s “Tristram Shandy” should check out the film version “A Cock & Bull Story”.
Long format is welcome here. I sneak-watch you at work, but still couldn't get enough of this. It was good, was getting into the talk of generational points of view in America with a Leonard Cohen future in mind. But anyway, thank you guys so much.
Are the abrupt cutoffs just to create cliffhangers?? I spent most of my teenage years idolizing L. Cohen as a songwriter. Now almost 30, for many reasons, I had put him aside and thought he was ultimately a lost cause. But Mike and Darren are some of the best literate, intellectual voices in my life right now and they have led me to reevaluate so many things I thought I knew. Kind of dying to see their full discussion on Cohen. BTW "The Future" was an insane experience the first time I listened to it when I was about 12.
Kubrick and Tarkovsky are my 2 favorite directors! ❤️❤️❤️
Wow this is so cool! Two of my favorite lecturers talking about my major! Best video ever
Cormac McCarthy always cheers me up.
absolutely love these! i would appreciate more topics specifically on philosophy, i would imagine that witnessing a discourse about some of the topics these two brilliant men have lectured on in the past would be something to behold!
I love this content!!
Andrei Tarkovsky! So glad Dr. Staloff gave him a shout out. _Stalker_ is a masterpiece of the sci-fi genre and a beautiful film in general. He also fits the format perfectly, being recognized as one of the greatest filmmakers, period, but not a household name in the West like Kubrick or Coppola because of the porous, but still present, cultural barrier posed by the Iron Curtain.
Really enjoyed this, ya dig!
Thank you!
super interesting and delightful conversation. Hope to see many more episodes.
Thank you very much 🙏🏼
“When I was a young man, I read all of Nietzsche and that is not a good sign” - Sugrue
Thank you so much Genevieve!!
You two . Epic
THE BEST THING ON THE INTERNET!
amazing as always! greetings from Perú!
Perfect
Sugrue. Thanks for putting your collected knowledge up.
Hope you are well Mike and thanks both again for your time and teaching! 🙂🤙🤙🤙
🦜🐢🦎🐲🦚🐍🫖🍵🎰🗝📗📚🗾🧭🦓💚 wonderful conversation, thank u💝
Keep going.
Loved this one guys! Thank you!! Staying until the end I latched on to Leonard Cohen and ProfSugrue gave me ‘The Future’ . Never heard of it.. so I listened to see why it freaked you out! I watched a live version on.. and I couldn’t shake one of my favourites! It’s Chris Rea “ Road to Hell” full version of course! Also Stanley Kubrick and A Clockwork Orange. Why miss the music to this film? Come on Rossini.. a genius… La Gazza Ladra I absolutely adore!! It is so demanding on the listener.. Brilliant. I love you guys!
Tarkovsky, Leonard Cohen, The Warriors - this is my alma mater right here!
Thanks!
These lectures are so great and amazing! A big salute to you all! I am an MPhil scholar, studying literary theories. These lectures have helped me so much. I would request Dr. Michael to have a lecture on Naratology as literary theory.
re: Tarkovsky, I always recommend Andrei Rublev as my favorite of his works. Solaris and Stalker are both great movies, but I think period pieces are more suited to Tarkovsky's talents than science fiction.
Great convo. Glad the Passenger/Stella Maris and Gaddis were brought up
Sir, please do one or more on faust, i found your faust lecture most refreshing inspirational thing i ever watched!
I will personally transfer $100 Australian dollars to you if you put on your old suit and gave us just one more perfect lecture like the Princeton days. Your channel has been such a wealth of knowledge to me and I share this other too. Thank your Dr Sugrue
I enjoyed this discussion today with such gleefulness. HOOLYWIRED, I will give my analysis later. Although I agreed with your critical analysis on most of the balls, you eviscerated the difference between creativity and art with writers and the film industry. This just blew my mind again.
With the deepest respect and appreciation for both of your wisdom.❤️
Spielberg or Kubrick? That is an easy choice. I never liked block buster movies. A film I really loved was Robert Duvall 's first film by Horton Foote, "Tomorrow," slow moving, and I still believe it was Duvall's best film.
Leonard Cohen was one of my favorite poets and singers. His lyrics bore into me. As you both already know, his first song, "Susanne," was stolen from him. We can also find out how many times that happened in the music business. I have a list long.
It makes me sometimes want to live solitude and just read 📚. Although I love music also of every genre.
HE FINALLY GOT AN HD CAMERA THANK YOU
Gentlemen I would love to hear you guys do movie reviews and breakdowns of how they relate to ancient mythology. I could listen to 2 hours of you breaking down the Warriors movie ❤️❤️❤️
you guys Make the Internet Great Again MIGA 🤣
Again, I will pay for a premium zoom subscription please don't limit these two to 40 minutes!
Well, after listening to this interesting conversation I've got to add a few things to my list: "Tristram Shandy"; "Clockwork Orange"; "Portrait of the Artist" (it's been half a century); Cohen's "The Future"; "The Warriors"; Tarkovsky; Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds. I doubt that the Sterne book is really under-rated, yet, in comparison, I suppose so. I've yet to see Tarkovsky and hope to remedy that, and soon. (It was interesting to see Xenophon added to the 3rd edition of "The History of Political Philosophy." )
20:00 love hearing about Cormac Mccarthy
U guys should have conversation about aleksandr solzhenitsyn and the book gulag archipelago
Nice cliffhanger at the end, on to episode 5
Ah I was hoping to hear more on L Cohen, oh well
Dr. Sugrue I would love to hear your thoughts on William Blake? No other poet/artist have captured reality quite like him.
Would love to listen to an AMA.
so many questions... how did mr sugrue so eloquent. what inspired him etc etc.
the warriors is such a nice movie
Nice jacket darren!
Darren's really dressed like an 80's cyberpunk villain
I want a movie, a post-post modern commentary, on "My Dinner With André" but with Darren and Michael.
Recently I have begun to learn Homeric greek and I'm revisiting geometry to better understand Plato and other philosophers.
Do you think deductive reasoning roots the divided line analogy in a sense that our models of understanding get closer to reality so that our ideas are more plausible in that we can better distinguish between what is possible and what is impossible?
Love the Tarkovsky vs James Bond dichotomy! :) Check out _Stalker_ (1979). Better if you understand the original of course.
You might enjoy the writings of the 18th century visionary and polymath emmanuel swedenborg Dr. Sugrue. If you can suspend disbelief it is some of the most beautiful philosophy I have ever read
The correct title for this video is, 'What was distinctive about Leonard Cohen, by Tristram Shandy.'
Enjoy this immensely but why is it cutting off before you're finished? Would've liked to have heard your thoughts on Leonard Cohen.
Hey guys would you cover some more stoicism, maybe some natural law, im just starting to get through this channel so I don’t know if you’ve done more. Either way I’m a big fan
Dr Michael , could I put your video in my channel to share knowledge. Thank you for your hard work.
Gold!
I like how Mike reveals his giant beer horn at the end.
Tristram Shandy ... my favorite! But he IS born, it just takes 300 pages
I've generally found arty films to be as formulaic in their own way as Hollywood movies. Storytelling conventions are not shackles, they are timeless.
Both this episode and the previous one ended early. Is there a way to hear the entirety?
Ask more questions and let the man talk. We care about his views.
Hello again
do you have a talk on Kazantzakis
Whats the name of the Russian film director and the name of the movie again.
You guys should host TCM classic movies. It would help me forget how much I miss Robert Osborne and wipe away my disdain for that buffoon Ben Mankiewicz.
How funny!!!! Lol 🤣
_Andrei Rublev_ 💯💯🔥. Prof. Staloff was not lying about it
Would watching all the lectures on this channel be equivalent to a BA in Philosophy? Please do let me know. I very much want to know the answer to this question
No. A BA in philosophy will make a mess of your psyche, while the rambling of two old geezers is generally innocuous.
@@dr.michaelsugrue HAHAHAHHA I AGREE
Nick Cave, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits and Joanna Newsom, in no particular order, are probably the greatest singer songwriters the world has seen. I particularly like what dr. Sugrue said about jews and catholics being close in that creative state. I'm pretty sure Dylan went from one to another. "The Future" is indeed horrifying. Dylan does a similar thing in a personal journey in "Where Are You Tonight" from Street-Legal, a 78 album. It's a pity that the conversation cut off while they were discussing Cohen.
What was distinctive about Leonard Cohen?!!? Can’t believe you left us on a cliffhanger, but I guess it’s working because I’ll come back in a week like Clockwork Orange.
Does Dr.Sugrue and Dr.Staloff have any Advice on pursuing a humanistic Education/Intellectual life on your own without going to University?
Considering that you're here listening to these men speak instead of watching TikTok videos is already an indication that you're taking the right steps. Perhaps consider taking note of the thinkers they mention that align with your natural interests, then find out 1 or 2 people who influenced those thinkers, read about them, and then find out who the most prominent critic of said thinkers is (or was) and become acquaintaned with that thinker.
@@poeticdiscourse Will do! currently slogging my way through Dr.Sugrue Syllabus for western tradition on his Substacks.
Thanks!
This is a lifetime commitment. Good luck and God bless.
Just missing the horn of beer :)
Oh shit - It showed up @29:09
I like a pint in a glass drinking horn, because you can't put it down.
@@dr.michaelsugrue Ha. Fair enough.
Topic suggestion - reaction videos to Shelly's course - czcams.com/play/PLEA18FAF1AD9047B0.html
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Great Episode, but a great example of why yinz could go on for a tad longer . Your fans & You-tudents voted for the max time allotment for these on your poll btw... (Much good THAT did us...)
And that Music Cliffhanger? Is that just another dirty marketing trick to make people come back so you can pick up where you left off? Well it worked.
I Loved Cohen & Nicks brilliant. Really great artists, Both.
Another good & tad obscure gem by both thems would be; Leonard Cohen: The Partisan, The Darkness,
Nick Cave: I Love you till the end of the World, Red Right Hand, Fire Down Below
Tolstoy and Tolstoyan movement please
The three greatest films about mistaken states of mind, as not widely understood as per _The Warriors_ , which I've analysed- _Forbidden Planet_ , _The Wicker Man_ , _Reservoir Dogs_ - I have a channel here... Wish more guys of your intellect could comment- esp on RD, my narrated slideshow being the better produced, even if it's now out of date following much more material found.