Lets Talk About The Silent Hill 2 Remake And The ''Fans''
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- We return to a Lets Talk style video to discuss the changes, new reveals and toxic fans involved with the Silent Hill 2 remake. State of play and Konomi's transmission has given us a release date, new gameplay and first looks. But as per, the fans aren't happy. Again..
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I learned it's better to accept new changes in New media rather than expecting old things in remakes to stay the same and just try something diffrent I feel it's better that way so that I don't take disappointment so hard..thanks for the video
the amount of people i saw screaming "woke hill 2" in the live chat was eeegh. is this seriously the point we're at with communities now
It's disheartening and weirdly contagious for chronically online gamers.
well everything touched by woke turns to shit.
I'm also against WOKE but gamers today seriously exaggerate this term and think that a girl not looking hot is automatically WOKE. They just went too crazy about it to the point where they see woke-ism everywhere they look. They act like if every female character should be a sexy gal with big boobs and big ass which is hilarious because while I like hot girls in games also, I think that not every woman in the game NEEDS to be hot. In Angela aspect, she's supposed to be everything but hot. She isn't there to attract male gazes, she's a victim of mental and physical abuse, her being ugly is what makes her more believable. I wouldn't expect a victim of abuse to take care of herself.
Honestly I've heard people call games "woke" so much that its lost all meaning to me, and now I just say it randomly with no real purpose, similar to calling something "skibidi" or "sigma". The "word" is just a joke now
@@MultiKamil97”woke” is just a term that ppl throw on things they don’t like. If you’re not a racist, homophobic, misogynist then you’re “woke”
No one hates Silent Hill like its actual "fans". That is the truest statement ever
Dont call these guys fans😉
They're so obsessed with the Twin Peaks and David Lynch vibe and flavor of the Original Team Silent FOUR that's why. They think it's lost in the later Western made games and now the upcoming remake.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth The original team Silent doesn't even exist, it's nothing more than a fairytale invented by the fandom
You are talking about a very abused group of people. I hope your gravestone is written in comic sans.
Yeah real fans just shut up and consume product and then get excited for next product. 😂🤡
I swear they just want Silent Hill to fail the amount of loops people are jumping through just to put this game down
100% agree, it's quite off putting to new fans seeing the community online mostly toxic. Appreciate you checking out the video!
@@VoidRetrothere’s a reason the community is toxic. Mainly Konami’s greed. Now we have dei injection to deal with and we need to eat that? No.
@@antontarasov7921 There are faults on both sides. The so called fans who just wanna be toxic, bandwagon on fake hate and these people employed in the industry who just wanna force agendas into games they don't even play. It's a great thing that i think for myself, because this whole situation has gotten out of hand. I'm buying the game, i'm gonna play through it and then judge on the actual things that i did/didn't like. I'm not missing out on the entire game just because some people feel something that i do not.
Yeah, they are really putting a lot of focus into convincing people that game is terrible and there are a lot of people bandwagoning on the hate too.
@@devinwalters8769 u do u. Personally I understand very well why they hired Bloober. It was cheap. Had they rly cared about the series and its legacy, they’d do it internally, like capcom. So, they basically saved on devs and charged 70 bucks + upcharged us for 48h early access. Idc, I’ll buy it too just to see it like you said. However, there’s a solid ground for criticism and imo the community has all the rights for toxicity.
As a HUGE Silent Hill fan, I will say this fanbase is wild 😂
Make it identical, they will complain
Make tiny changes, they will complain
Literally no winning with them at all - It's a difficult space to interact in
I've also really enjoyed Bloober's previous games and I think they're gonna do it justice!
Exactly what I think lol, it could be 1.1 and they would still go OMFGGG THE FOG IS TOO THIN...
@@VoidRetro PyRaMiD hEaDs HeLmEt iS tOo PoInTy 🤦🏼♀️
Just be happy we're getting a remake of SOMETHING for gods sake - if they carry on behaving like this, Konami really will ditch the whole series!
@PhexxiePlays lmao 😅 I can honestly see genuine reddit posts about stuff like that pickin everything apart come release.
100% we are lucky to have this and MGS Delta coming.
tiny changes? They made her fat and ungly on purpse. What a moron
When has silent hills fans complained about making something identical? I'll wait.
Most of the ppl I’ve seen that complain about everything from the remake have never actually played the original game
Ive never personally played the orignal games but god damn ive been invested in this before they made the announcement to this game
I see this comment a lot. I've played every game in the series multiple times, 2 and 4, especially. I'm one of the 10 people who played that dogshit diablo clone book of memories. Even then, it was mainly for the soundtrack. I want a good silent hill game i even liked downpour, but remaking 2 and removing the camera angles (which was an artistic choice by team silent in the OG), removing the sexualisation of Maria the whole point of her character being a made up version of mary james wished she was, even in the cutscene cinematography shown in the footage we have is the bog standard pan on character talking switch to different character talking (like fallout 4 for a reference) the voice acting somehow being worse than the HD collection redub, the voice acting in the original also added to the atmosphere and dreamlike vibe the game has. Look at interviews with james OG voice actor he even says as much. What this looks like is homecoming with somehow worse graphics and models. The jury is out on gameplay and could be less clunky than homecoming or just as bad. I don't blame bloober team they clearly wanted to do the camera angles and be a updated version of the OG they did it well with the medium. It's more konami meddling with them not understanding the game and overruling anyone making the game who does.
what kind of straw-man statement is this? why would anyone actively be disappointed and compain about something they never played before?
Exactly. They're like "Meeeh Angela is so ugly. They made her fat. She used to be so pretty" which is hilarious because first, Angela was never pretty to begin with and second, she ISN'T supposed to be beautiful. She's a girl who went through some heavy shit, we can't expect her to look like a hot girl next door.
@@fumomofumosarum5893 In fact what I've seen the most when people voice complaints is "you probably haven't even played the original".
1:11 Saying Kojima isn't involved with SH anymore is a big reach. That man barely had anything to do with the franchise apart from the P.T demo. Silent Hill achieved it greatness and popularity (the first 3 games) without having Kojima as the dev at all. There's this dev team called Team Silent and its members that you need to know about
Oh I'm aware he was barely involved as is, it's just such a huge thing people go on about constantly I needed to mention he had little to no involvement as is. Team Silent were only involved with the first 3 if I remember?
@@VoidRetro Team Silent were involved with the first 4 games of the franchise. I only mentioned the first 3 in my previous comment because the 4th one wasn't regarded as highly as the first 3
Some prominent members of the team are:
1. Keiichiro Toyama - director of the 1st game, left after the 1st game, went on to make games like Siren & Gravity Rush, his new upcoming game is a horror game called Slitterhead
2. Masahiro Ito - background and creature designer, worked on SH 1-3, famously known as the creator of Pyramid Head, one of the two members of the team that Bloober brought back for the remake, very active on Twitter too these days though you should be careful not to annoy him or else he'll block you 😅
3. Takayoshi Sato - CGI creator, worked on SH 1 & 2, famously known for working on the 3D cutscenes SOLELY by himself, took him nearly 2,000 hours to complete, and during much of this time period the schedule would be so demanding that he would sleep under his office desk
4. Hiroyuki Owaku - scenario writer, worked on SH 1-3
5. Akira Yamaoka - sound director and the games composer, worked on all main SH games except Downpour, famously known for all the great soundtracks from the franchise, also brought back by Bloober for the remake just like Ito
P.S. You should watch a video by TheGamingMuse titled "Creating Silent Hill" where she talked more about Team Silent journey in creating the franchise
Yeah, some people in the comments act like if Kojima was a huge character in the development of Silent Hill games. The man barely even made ONE Silent Hill game.
i cannot wait for the remake, i love how they kept the silent hill vibe while also updating it, and we still have 5 months for bloober to finalise the finishing touches so you never know what they could do/change
I am very excited too, yes this is the era and generation of remakes but it was bound to happen for many cult classics!
No Silent Hill vibe in the remake at all bud.
@@realbr1koo then don't buy it?!
@@realbr1koogood news! You can save yourself $70. We all know you’re buying it anyway though
I am very excited for it. The only real issue i have is no physical deluxe edition. I am getting fed up with the amount of people comparing an upscaled high res cutscene of Angela to this saying "they ruined Angela" a character they probably know nothing about. As if shes supposed to be beautiful. That alone tells me they know nothing about her. Then they use that as basis to boycott the game.
As far as Maria goes, the character who is actually supposed to be the hot sexy one, i see nothing wrong with her. We probably will get her og outfit in "Born From a Wish" or something. At least thats what im hoping for.
As a Silent Hill veteran player and hardcore fan, i can't wait to play this game. I hope it sells well so maybe we can get Silent Hill 1 & 3. 3 is my personal favorite and i really want to see those cool psychedelic bleeding wall effects done in high res someday.
The lack of deluxe or collectors is a little sad indeed but I agree totally on your other points too, I hope we get many endings and outfits. Plenty of new and old surprises. Thanks for watching!
I have seen a lot of people worried about DEI involvement, and don't get me wrong i also hate it but...idk why people but people saying Angela looks ugly and even fat (somehow?) rubs me in the wrong way.
It's almost like they forgot this tiny little detail that Angela is a traumatized victim of sexual abuse and then would think she'd be able to take care of her looks despite carrying such traumatic life experience, and besides, in the original it's clear she's heavily broken by that, even hurting James with the knife. (Hell she literally decides to kill herself in the fire scene). It gives me the feeling some of them don't even know the story of the game, but i digress.
I do agree she looks off and uncanny though, buuut...being uncanny was always something the original did especially with its voice acting (intentionally or not) so who knows.
We'll see, i wonder if this remake succeeds we might get a Silent Hill 1 Remake as well
There's no reason to change Angela's design, there's no reason to get rid of the fog, there's no reason to put meek facial expressions on Maria, again you're messing with a cult classic, that's a cult classic for a reason and if you're fundamentally tinkering with it and changing it whilst calling your reimagining a remake we are going to have a problem.
The job of graphically remaking games should be the easiest job in the world, you already have the plot, the characters and the overall design set up you just need to re-create it in higher graphical fidelity. That's all, nobody wants these folks to reimagine popular classics or bring in new writers to change the plot, we don't want the original experience replaced by something inferior, we just want it remastered, you know?
@@liquidsnake6879 i do agree with some of your points and i know Silent Hill 2 in specific is a delicate game to be making reimaginations, but that's also kinda the thing about Remakes, unlike Remasters they have the freedom to make a few changes in character design or even level design, yes they could just leave it all untouched but sometimes risks can result in something interesting, the best examples would be Ashley from Re4 Remake being totally different from the original, the Ishimura from Dead Space Remake being fully explorable instead of being linear and everything about Mr. X from Re2 Remake
If i'm gonna be honest my biggest worries are how the combat is going to play (cause oh boy if a lot of RE fans are going to think this is an action horror game) and hope the puzzles stay the same, including the ones that are almost impossible to guess
@@Cappuccino_Rabbitbros more worried about combat than how the game looks itself 🤦♂️
@@liquidsnake6879 What you're describing is a remaster. Remake is much more than graphical fidelity. Remake is supposed to tell the same story but in a totally different way. It's not supposed to be 1:1 with the original but with better graphics.
@@MultiKamil97 Sadly remasters tend to be too lazy, like upscales and stuff like that, i've very rarely seen remasters that actually update the graphics fully, with new shading, new textures, new models etc one of which is Metroid Prime Remastered.
But those kinds of remasters are the exception rather than the rule. In general i think that's what people really want, nobody asked for these kinds of re-imaginings of beloved games, we already like them as they are, we never asked for someone to come in and re-imagine them.
You do that with games that sucked, not games that were hits and are beloved classics you know? The line between Remaster and Remake is still very blurred in that way, because of the laziness of remasters.
To me that's the whole question, who actually called for a remake/re-imagining of Silent Hill 2? Or was it that people called really for a proper remaster and Konami chose to interpret it as a call for a remake?
SH-fandom is even more toxic than starwars fandom.
In the recent interview with Motoi Okamoto, he said that Bloober Team wanted to keep the remake faithful to the original, but Ito and Yamaoka wanted to change things up. But yet Bloober Team gets hate for the changes?
I do think the character designs need some work, but good lord, people need to calm tf down. If that shit is really is dealbreaker for you I question whether you’re even a fan in the first place. SH2 is one of my fav games. I like the graphics, atmosphere, combat IS improved. Just pre ordered my copy.
That's great to hear an OG fan is having faith in the remake 🙏 but I do agree, if they changed entire plot points, characters and the location. Sure it needs to be called out. But this? Is a remake haha.
@@ELIZABETHMARLONE2005 It’s coming to Steam as well.
@@ELIZABETHMARLONE2005 It’ll most likely go multi platform eventually.
I think they look fine personally, but my god it’s good to see a rational criticism.
How is combat improved? It look awkward and in the bad way. Combat in the original was bad amd it understood it. It was never action oriented and was treated like a punishment or an obstacle. This game tries so hard for combat to look "cool" with this camera shake and exaggerated animation and brutal takedowns. But it just looks goofy and out of place
I don’t get why some people even like silent hill 2 with the things they’re mad at. Like they’re mad that Angela is “ugly” as if she was ever remotely treated as “hot” while she wore a turtleneck and had loud trauma flashbacks about her being treated as a s*x object
Literally the only complaints I have about SH2 so far are the animations (running, Melee attacks, etc) and Angela's face, it just looks off, like the model looks as if it's a lower quality than the other characters? Either way, I hope they have time to change these, because I know a lot of people also have these same issues, and I REALLY want this game to be AMAZING, everything else looked SO good.
Angela's eyebrows do look like they were drawn on by a kid with a sharpie. Hair doesn't seem very detailed either unlike James', but that could also be due to video compression muddying things up. In the scene where her and James are in a dark room and she's telling him he shouldn't be here, her face does look more detailed.
. .Idk the cosplay instead of "Outfits" for Sunderland isn't made is a very terrible idea that they just wore giant pinballs around their heads ~"Than having an actual set of outfits such as clothes they wore"
"I genuinely think free-roam through the mansion/streets would just be a very short story"
(They constantly need to make SH2R campaign longer to 7-9 hours or this game is a goner)
I swear people just want the exact same game like 0 difference 😢, they want 1 to 1, 720p resolution, old audio quality and no improvements. SILENT HILL IS ONE OF THE INSPIRATIONS FOR THE CREATIOM OF BLOOBER TEAM! They are such huge fans of the game too and they are trying their best bruh people need to chill. Game lools great and i cant wait to play it ❤
They're so obsessed with the Twin Peaks and David Lynch vibe and flavor of the Original Team Silent FOUR that's why. They think it's lost in the later Western made games and now the upcoming remake.
@mr.sinjin-smyth fr, like idk what's up with that. You should go on some different channels and look at the comments, it's literally the most hateful stuff. Good to know there's still people out there that are going to give this game a fair shot. We're in this together bro
@mr.sinjin-smyth I mean I get it yk. I'm trying to see their side of it too. They are fans and want to play a faithful remake i understand it but I mean I guess I just truly don't see anything wrong with this one idk
@mewtcat you clearly didn't read all of my comments, I said I'm trying to see other sides of it too. When I say I see a lot of hate i mean I do see a lot of hate..... I believe we all should be able to share our opinions, and if my opinion is that there is too much hate then I can believe that too.
Just because you are a fan of something doesn't mean you can do a good job replicating it. Judging by their games they never actually understood what made Silent Hill 2 so special
The remake character designs especially on Maria and Angela sure have caused real firestorm on both sides of the spectrum. It's just incredibly hilarious, but it will help add more publicity, and free advertising and marketing for the game. I don't see anything wrong with the SH2 Remake, and aside from the ever present bias rose tinted nostalgia for original, I feel getting caught up with all this "w0ke" stuffs has really clouded their judgements with pure gatekeeping and hatred. It's getting really out of control for both sides.
Their side would look even more foolish if they start harassing and bullying Bloober, who have genuine passion for the remake and support from former members of Team Silent.
It's best to let the nonsense ride itself out, and I'm confident the SH2 Remake will be a smash hit come October 2024 (which I stated in previous comments being the ideal release date) thanks to all these publicity and renewed hype. It's going to be great seeing Silent Hill make a massive comeback, and what better way than to give SH2, often hailed the best in the series, a "modern" graphics and gameplay makeover.
Kid named "reap what you sow":
Kid named "nurses doing tactical vaults over obstacles":
Kid named "james corpse covered with blankets in the apartments":
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Angela’s head seems off compared to the size of the body.
I think that's just the angle of some of the shots personally but they have time to adjust it if most people notice an issue
@@VoidRetro I honestly think it's just her turtleneck covering her whole neck now makes her look different. (and that choice is intentional given her backstory)
I agree. I have no issues with angela's face. Just in comparison to the body something is off. I think it has something to do with the fact that she just doesn't have much of a shape. There are no curves like she is skinny but the face doesn't match that so there seems to be a disconnect in that way. Not body shaming because I am sure it exist in the world its just not the norm so I look at it and it just feels off. Stangely outside the graveyard cutscene she loos okay. Its just in the graveyard cutscene it seems off. Also alot of people had mention it just seems like less care was put into her model then other models which could probably be felt as well.
I'm so glad I'm not crazy. I was thinking this exactly. Like maybe her head is like 10% larger than normal? And the model is a bit lower res somehow. Idk what it is, but I still love her design and can't wait for the game.
@@alisondorantes-garcia5751 yeah I am totally fine with the design shown in the scene in the end of the trailer not the graveyard as they don’t look the same
Silent Hill 2 is one of my favorite games of all time. I’m stoked. Problem with Silent Hill is its fandom. They won’t accept it, no matter how it turns out. It’s one of those fandoms that fancies itself an exclusive club. I’m just excited that a new generation of gamers will get put on. I just hope it doesn’t get cancelled.
I personally love what they did with SH the message and how the fog itself is phenomenon now that can go anywhere. Other fans hate it. They just want the game to stay the same forever and this remake is trying to do something slightly different.
Same. SH2 is my all time favorite game. I am so hyped for this. I was only a little sad at James' original face but this one they went with is perfect imo. The graphics and everything looks outstanding. There's nothing I'm seeing that looks bad and the crazy hate and, honestly, conflicting complaints I'm seeing is wild to me.
They're so obsessed with the Twin Peaks and David Lynch vibe and flavor of the Original Team Silent FOUR that's why. They think it's lost in the later Western made games and now the upcoming remake.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth the thing is the later games still had that vibe anyway so idk what people are on about. When Origins came out I was like "yay, silent hill game" and it freaked me out just as much as the prior games. Same with Downpour. The arguments about "the vibe" are not serious, imo.
@@MuffinMcMaster Not to mention the symbolism factor, with Maria's remake outfit being a perfect example, which they consider as completely missing the point. There's just no pleasing these hardcore Silent Hill / Survival horror fans.
The whole thing about hating on female characters for not being attractive enough is something that you probably dont get because you aren't American. In American culture, objectifying women is a bigger problem than in other western countries. Its this idea that a female shouldn't be in a movie or a game unless she looks dolled up for male viewers. Even though having the females wearing a bunch of makeup or wearing skimpy clothes seems impractical for the character. Just so you know, its just a few loud misogynist dudes complaining that female characters aren't being dedicated to the 'male-gaze' anymore. I find men from other western countries seem to prefer more genuine looking women in the games. And as a woman, I definitely prefer women to be presented as more than just eye candy for the viewer. Its honestly patronizing to see women characters portrayed to look like adult film stars in every game. And it makes it hard to take them seriously as a character when their character is mostly concerned with looking hot. you know? It is reductive. Its dumb.
If the only way you can accept a female character in a game is if she is hot, ..that anytime a female is not attractive it "ruins the game" for you, ..then you need to do some serious evaluation on your life.
I generally agree with your point, but here Maria's outfit is an illusion created by James mind. The fact that a developer can't show a female belly scares me more than silent hill.
Something I'm worried about is the braindead RE fans who are going to go in expecting RE2. I love the RE remakes, but Silent Hill is completely different. I don't want the game to get a 75% on Metacritic because it's not as action packed as RE.
I agree, RE fans are some of the most toxic people I've come across. In creator circles I actively avoid them now. They did the same to alone in the dark recently
That's where alot of the hate is coming from. People who never even heard of silent hill until Kojimas PT and never played a resident evil until the remakes. The modern toxic generation of gamers
@@MrSwitchblade327 That's the thing though. I feel like I'm in a minority of people who are fans of Silent Hill more than RE, but want to preserve what makes Silent Hill what it is.
I've been a fan of both RE and Silent Hill since they first came out (the first two of each mostly)
I'm actually expecting a Silent Hill 2 remake from Silent Hill 2 remake, I guess we're not all "braindead" after all.
If I'm going to bring up RE, I would want the SH2 remake to be made with the same love and hard work that was put into the RE1 remake where Capcom expanded on the original and added slightly more without it coming across as a cash grab or rushed like the other RE remakes.
@@BarryBBurton Unfortunately, as far as I know, no one from Team Silent is associated with the remake and it's just Bloober team.
I'm a massive fan of the original Silent Hill 2 and after watching the transmission I'm really excited for it. The complaints I'm seeing prove to me that a lot of people have never played the original game or are being petty for the sake of it. What a lot of them don't understand is this is a ''remake'' of a 22 year old game, of course there's gonna be changes and personally I don't want it to be a 1:1 remake.
Indeed I agree, dear space was pretty much a 1 for 1 remake and it bored me. Resident evil 4 was a perfect remake that changed a good amount but kept the spirit of everything.
@@VoidRetrolol it wasn't. They've changed the story, made the whole game open-ended, reworked all weapons, rebalanced enemies too, added random encounters, changed bosses, gravity sections, added new stuff including lore, ending and some unlocks, free roam... Gosh you're as petty as SH fans rn. And unlike you they're right because Remeke tonally ruined many things that were important (everything dreamy, James to be tired all the time, character who embodied lust now being nice and regular, added scene w Angela to remove the contextual part of the Abstract Daddy and leave no place for the interpretation ("tell him I'm good please" moment which was into the face explanation), janky fight system, first monster meeting being less scary, and removed the Mary's spoiler censured talk from the radio, James being the normal guy instead of the broken man he was, even with the way he talks, "press X to do the thing"and tons of scripts bc "zoomers are dumb", while in the og James moved his head to the objects you had to use, and a lot of other inferior changes tbh.
@@Eric_Nomad_Hixtoneman, chill out. You sound like you already played the game lol
@@Eric_Nomad_Hixtone You tend to forget that the times have changed and games aren't played by veterans anymore. There is much more casual players nowadays and you can't expect the studios to make the game as hard as it was back in the day. In Morrowind for example you had to follow the directions that NPCs gave you. In Oblivion they already gave you a compass with an icon where you're supposed to go. I don't like the games becoming easier and explaining everything to me either but I understand that it's absolutely necessary for the new players.
NEW INTERVIEW AND DETAILS
All new information from famitsu with SilentHillSeries Producer Motoi Okamoto about Silent Hill 2 Remake:
- First Encounter with a creature is slightly later in time than the original
- There is an option to not have any UI displayed, matching the original game
- James will look at items more naturally as you walk past
- "I want you to rest assured that there will be no "yellow paint" to guide the player (laughs)."
- No new creatures have been added although "we have added creatures of the same type that move differently"
- "We have increased the variety of movements and situations without straying from the original creature image."
- Difficulty Options like in the original Silent Hill 2 have been confirmed
- Discussion howhow flowing white sheets are important to SH2 - " can't go into too much detail, but for example, white cloth appears often in SILENT HILL 2 . There is a reason why white cloth is in the city, but it is used as a guide for exploration without feeling out of place."
- A deeper look at the Otherworlds is explored in Ito's vision.
That sounds awesome. A better dive into the other world. I love the difficulty options and as far as encounter with first creature, I wished it was at the same spot like the original.
The amount of hateful comments/videos I've seen directed towards Angela are a bit frustrating. Like there's so many chronically online gamers just ripping into her model for not being pretty enough, when she looks like someone who is going through a traumatic time (which fits the script). "No one hates Silent Hill more than Silent Hill fans" is a perfect way to put it.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this trend and issue, thanks for checking out the video Dakota 🤗
Exactly. I feel like those are gamers who've never played the original because if they did, they would know that Angela isn't supposed to be pretty. Maria is of course but Angela isn't of those female characters that is meant to make people attracted to her or something. She's been put through hell, her dad molested and beat her. Are we going to pretend that people like her are interested in taking care of themselves? No, she doesn't want to look pretty, she neglects herself to keep the men away from her.
Attractive people can also experience trauma you bigot
Agreed.
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How does anyone have faith in a Konami product always baffles me.
SH HD Collection, Metal Gear Survivor, turning almost all their IPs into pachinko machines, low effort re releases of old Castlevania games using bare minimum emulation, Metal Gear Solid Master Collection being a mediocre port that doesn't even let you change resolution on PC, firing Kojima before we got what it looked like an actual attempt to make a good SH, recent Contra games suck major ass, every single SH game released after SH4 is beyond bad, the recently released SILENT HILL THE SHORT MESSAGE filled to brims with MTX.
Do I need to continue?
Seeing how sh fans are nitpicking this game maybe silent hill should’ve stayed dead.
Lol now imagine if Shattered Memories released now as opposed to back then, these same people that are praising it would tear it to shreds
@@rusi6219 Facts... I feel like even if this remake ends up being objectively incredible they will still cry over the smallest thing's.
If they keep this up Bloober won't wanna remake SH 1, 3 and/or 4... Neither will any other studio. Think about it, if you where a director at any game studio, would you wanna subject yourself and you're team to what Bloober is going threw now? I wouldn't, if I was a director working at say CapCom, I wouldn't wanna get near this fan base after watching this unfold, never.
The wild part to me is... It's coming out day one on PC and its a UE5 game... It's going to be easy as fk to mod, within 5 hours of the game coming out there will be videos of James fighting Thomas the train uploaded to CZcams. Why are they hating, Bloober NAILS environments, these haters have a beautiful foundation to easily make the game they want if they are really so unhappy with Bloober and Ito's vision.
There is no reason to not cheer on Bloober and hope they are successful enough to make a remake of 1, 3, 4 and maybe even Book of memories... Hell even a Downpour remake could be cool if they had Ito and Yama help revamp it. With PC ports that can be easily modded, why wouldn't we want that?
I would completely understand if it was like some conspiracy to "uglify" her and if they gave her all sorts of ugly features in some attempt to shove body positivity down everyone's throats really hard, but this is not that. This is genuinely "boo hoo she's not a starving super model who is somehow still thicc in all the right places for some reason" she looks like a genuine normal average (still pretty attractive) woman. I don't understand these people one bit. The extreme of people that are against wokeness is just as bad of the deep extreme of actual woke people just for polar opposite reasons. I hate both equally and just want people to be normal human beings with their own individual thoughts for once instead of getting their entire personality from which side they pick in internet controversies.
People with gaming in general seem to hate on absolutely everything they are handed as of late. Sometimes it's warranted depending where you look, but other times, why are you even complaining?
Angela: "Ooahhh! I'm sorry I - I was just"
James: "It's okay, I didn't mean to scare you 😉"
I remember back when they showcased a teaser for this title, and a friend of mine was ripping into it with no mercy. I mean...I was just telling him. "Calm down, the game doesn't have a release date yet." and if the game needs work they will work on it, just a bit of faith, stay optimistic until the final product is released with a detailed review. Seeing this bit about the game I will admit that the game needs work, but I've seen animations: Walking/fighting etc been resolved over a matter of weeks, it all depends on how well or how badly its received, and based upon what I've seen its only taking steps in the right direction.
I think with the Maria's model, they might do like RE and have a costume DLC where you can buy her original outfit plus a bunch of different ones
In the original Silent Hill there were dead bodies. Not dead james's. The dead body in the street had notes about encountering monsters.
They were James dead bodies, they literally had his clothes, it was stated by the games creator.
Those who keep bitching about the differences of the remake usually are not real fans. Their covers broke when they showed their overly concerns on only vanity over the actual game context itself. Every single video they posted regarding the remake is either calling Angela fat or ugly, there is almost no intelligent and professional insights about the game. It’s very apparent that those people on CZcams are just looking for clicks and views, nothing more.
Yeah, that's something I never understand about the Silent Hill fans. How are they are negative about it when they have not ever experienced the game or even before it was release. If anything, we should be happy that there is more of Silent Hill games to come. Why are they keep hating on everything silent hill new? That just made me think, its their own nature of negativity. They keep hating but you know when the remake comes out, they will buy it and play it anyway. Its so stupid. Silent Hill franchise is a true meaning of horror game because of the dark subject and scary atmosphere. Resident Evil is a good horror game but nowhere near as deep root in the subject of horror theme genre as Silent Hill but gets more support and sales than Silent Hill. They have their own stupid hated fanbase to thank for it. Its so dumb where this started
I do agree with a lot of this, you have seen it with Short Message and other SH titles. People just love to complain about every aspect of a new entry when it's not what they personally want.
I'm a huge MGS fan, love all of them except V, it's not for me, so I just don't engage with it, or play it. Very simple.
Regarding the Angela 'controversy' I would say the complaints come from the underlying messages in the first game in that she has been aged by her experiences and it creates that disjointed feeling when she looks like an adult but speaks in a child-like way by calling her mother momma.
It is true that people don't like change because it isn't exactly what they remember in their mind although I don't mind the change to her as much as others.
The change for Maria though ties into core themes and by changing that and styles of enemies or the world it can have an effect on the narrative subtleties.
I do believe some people are massively over re-acting but off handedly dismissing all complaints about these sections as 'toxic' because of some toxic people feels just as short-sighted.
Fans created their own canon to why things are they'll way they are so when things change even just a little it feels like an attack on their intelligence. But little do they know almost everything we know about the messages in sh2 are things the FANS made up. True or not they ironically created their own hell
It baffles me how all these “fans” have such high expectations and are super nit picky. I played SH1 when I was 13 years old and Silent Hill 2 when I was 14. The games were amazing. And just having the ability to live to see a remake is crazy. I never thought I’d see this day and I’m so thankful it’s happening. The game looks great. There are a couple things I hope they fix but it’s not end all be all. The game will be great still and I can’t wait to experience it again. SH2 was the best in the series because of its story. The original had bad animations and awkward moments and when doing a remake it’s not supposed to be 1:1 and it’s definitely not supposed to be a RE game. I’m not even mad about it but we got so much hate from these so called “fans” I honestly question whether they really are. But I look forward to it! As a SH vet I’m happy. Lol
7:30 yeah they always do that , the details & combat system is the satire thing my SH fanbase wanted (Genuinly more lores & plot of the story being an emo-protagonist)
jm still wondering if blooper team are gonna add the multiple endings to the remake, hopefully so id be so intrigued to see the dog ending
I assume so, maybe even more? Be disappointing if not
This is certainly going to be my introduction to the series, but I can definitely say that the OG fans of the games are making it very hard to approach this series. I feel like I’ll be attacked on sight if I even utter a word of positivity towards this remake and actually express my excitement for this 😅
I can show my respect for the original, and give it its due respect, but I feel like all the hate this has been getting is really just not helping anyone. There’s constructive criticism, and then there’s toxicity. Idk whether my words mean anything, this is just from an outsider peeking in.
Very good statement here, it's true, some toxic fans are ruining it for new people but remember, just enjoy the game for yourself 👍
Take no notice. I’m a huge fan of the original, and I think this remake looks incredible. I have no idea what people are apparently seeing with Angela’s face and it just seems as if they’re actively looking to scrutinise it in every way possible.
I’m avoiding all negative discourse so that it doesn’t tarnish my opinion or final experience, and you should definitely do the same.
Just have fun and enjoy it, that’s all there is to it really.
I think most true og fans are actually excited for this actually and are pissed because if this is how people react to the return of the franchise it'll probably be the only one. We'd like to see 1 through 4 or at least 2,3 and 4 given this level of remake
I think I don’t want this game to come out, be amazing, and see poor sales. Not again. Not another dead space remake issue. I preordered it to support it.
This video is just like those videos made around REmake 3. Just look at how that game turned out lmao
I think the game looks great so far, though lip syncing and character animations during gameplay dont look finished, they just don't, but we have until october to find out if that gets fixed
Really solid video but at 8:25 I think the decision to make Angela look older and weary in the og fits her character more considering what she's been through. Also the Maria design is directly based off a concept sketch by Sato.
I agree with some of the points you make. However, when you say the original will always be there, I will argue that Konami hasn't done a great job of preserving such classics.
About Maria's less skimpier design, I don't think that has anything to do with needing her to be sexy for the player. I personally don't mind the change, however, I know for a fact that this is an obvious case of unneeded censorship. The town is preying on his desires, and Maria dresses herself to provocate. Making it subtler only goes against the intended narrative plot point.
Are there reasons you can come up? Sure, of course. But that's already a deviation, and saying stuff like
"Maybe it's sexy for James" (His character was not changed significantly enough from original for it to qualify the need to make her look less sexy)
"Maybe she will look closer to the original" (That's baseless conjecture)
And more would be playing defense for the sake of it.
Bloober Team was clearly asked to show less skin by Sony or other company, and that's it.
Agree about Angela though, wholeheartedly
I noticed that Maria actually walks around and does her own thing instead of just standing in a corner. I also love that she reached out and grabs James before he leaves that room where she is lying down. They kept the "fart face" quote, love that. Also that note about the "3 crucial patients" could that be the boss battle with those damn dangly bastards that Laura locks you in with? Was there 3 or them? I cant wait for this game and yes I am SICK AND TIRED of the fans being so negative I wont watch vids on this game anymore its getting so boring.
I’ve come to realise recently that all the usual channels I watch and agree with are shitting on this game, but this time I disagree with them. It looks amazing and although Marie should be more sexy, we haven’t seen any of her flirty scenes yet so it’s hard to judge. Also Angela shouldn’t be hot as she’s an anxious abuse victim. I think she looks perfect. Can’t wait for this game!
If this succeeds then they need to remake the first silent hill it was the first game that actually scared me🙀
"Let new people enjoy". Didn't played OG but definitely going to play remake on release.
The remake will be the best way to play it anyway, the only other ways are either on an Xbox (the HD version by backwards compatibility which is actually inferior), the original PS2 version or via emulation.
@@tomparkin2068There's also the Enhanced Edition on PC
i agree people are weird and over dramatic about angela and whatnot. i think it looks pretty damn great so far but maybe i’m just easily impressed.
Hit the nail on the head with everything man. Great Video
Thanks for checking it out Ben!
I think the problem fans have with Angela is the new version looks more stern faced and "less feminine" and has a slightly deeper voice when compared to the original.
The original version had a softer almost child like voice and features which were probably exaggerated to make her more empathetic to the audience and make them feel more protective of her and make her past and situation more tragic.
I think their complaints could obviously be worded better, but I also think people are blowing their comments out of proportion saying it's "misogynistic" blah blah.
It's early days, it's hard to tell from a trailer and a bit of gameplay.
Silent hill and resident evil fans are the worse fans in gaming. They are never happy. on the other hand, I can’t wait to play this. I’m very excited my only problem is I hope the story isn’t too short. I’m hoping it’s at least 10 hours long.
Yes I would like an extended story myself and RE fan base is one of the most toxic things I've come across. It's why I've not covered the games on my channel as of yet.
@@VoidRetrofor me it's been opposite. I've always been around their YT channels and they are always nice w others. And the game analysis of J and others I've seen were also pretty cool. I was always welcomed there, never had any beef over anything. I guess I've landed on the better side of it
Now let me introduce you to the souls community...
Thanks for talking about this. You are right, the "hate train" from some entitled, pissy, miserable people towards this game and Bloober, etc has always been out of hand. Note, I didn't call them fans, because people who act like crappy humans don't deserve the title of "Silent Hill fan". They are the minority I feel, and this new gameplay reveal has really turned MANY people around! They can't please everyone, but they are doing a good job at pleasing the majority of open-minded fans for sure.
I'm telling you, these people hating on the game have NEVER played the game. They watched yt essays on the game and think they know what the game is about and think they know what it should look like and they have no clue. They also can't seem to read either (combat trailer is gonna feature combat, guys).
The game looks great. As someone who has played almost all the games I'm telling you that so far I am impressed. The only critique I have is that I think the monsters could use a bit more polished. They look a little plastic and shiny. I'm not saying they need a whole rework and honestly I'm happy with the animation of both the monsters and the characters. I'm just saying the skin on the monsters could use a more human like fleshy tint to them and then cake on the blood where necessary.
Even if they don't change it I'm still very excited to get an update to a SH game.
As far as advice I would give konomi is maybe implement a fixed camera mode into the game. At least that would give all players more choice. Otherwise the game looks good, sounds good, and looks like the movement mechanics are taking a page from the OG games which I personally love. Let it be clunky, James is not supposed to be some super cop he is just a regular dude. He shouldn't know how to fight and he should feel like he is hesitant since he doesn't know what the heck is going on.
Wholeheartedly agree on all these points, the fixed camera is a good idea tbh and yeah it needs some polish for sure but I'm impressed so far. If it goes well, they may even do 3 and 4!
Never seen such a forced hate filled campaign to destroy the return of a supposed beloved franchise before it even releases. These youtubers and "fans" disgust me. Every new reveal nowadays can guarantee having to be run through the gauntlet of fire by these haters
TBH "the original will always be there" would be a better argument if modern consoles would support those older games, but those aren't really available digitally outside of illegal emulation. (The same with Persona 3 etc.)
Edit: And funny enough I was listening this video while playing Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age that's a HD remaster of the PS2 game, but it's quite different from the original FFXII, having based on FXII: The Zodiac Job System or something like that. The original FFXII is nigh impossible to play in its original state outside of an old physical game on even older PS2 (and emulation, of course).
Yeah they do need to preserve these classics better but there's plenty of ways to play 2 right now.
Emulation, PS2, PC modded, HD collection.
I don't have a problem with Angela, her character was supposed to be young. But Maria's face... her original design was so important to me personally. When I see her og model (CG) she just embodies the atmosphere of SH2. There's other arguments with legitimacy beyond what you're mentioning here. Beyond nostalgia, I think the designs are just uninspired, and I don't have to be crazy or a hater to think so.
There is so much good in what they showed but damn why fuck up on something so important to the soul of the story.
Well then play the original. And don't play the new one. This guy is right.
Whats wrong with marias face? Shes the same model as mary and nobody had complaints about the mary cover art
@@ambrrrrrrrmary looks ok becuz its Mary. Maria doesnt becuz its maria ...
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relaxk
@@wookim9066 maria and mary both look the same thats kinds the point, the only problem would be the outfit
These are the same kind of “fans” that bullied Lily Gao (re4 remake Ada) off of social media.
I couldn't agree more, very good point.
What the hell!? I didn't know about that but I'm not surprised. Poor woman.
She did a fine job as ada, those morons just could stick with the og, if they can't handle a different take.
Game company: feed gamers a pile of excrement-filled chocolate.
"non-toxic" fans: eat and defend the pile of excrement-filled chocolate.
Hope y'all have a good time buying and playing this game cuz I sure as hell won't. I'm one of those toxic fans lol
You do you, I'll be enjoying the game.
I am a Silent Hill fan, but I'm also not terminally online, so I think I tend to be more of a reasonable person lol. My main issues with the remake early on was with Bloober Team working on the project and wondering if they might screw up the story somehow. Like it could be fine if they stick to the original game's story and not try to change it up a lot. But yeah, I've had my concerns... until the 13 minute gameplay video. I was actually really impressed with what I saw and now I have hope this will be good. Seeing the Angela redesign did throw me off for a second. But she's like 17 and now she actually looks her age. In the original she looked like she was in her late 20s. I chalked that up to her having such a hard life, to say the least, aging her greatly. It was kind of a visual representation of her heavy burdens. So people complaining that the 17 year old traumatized victim isn't hot anymore need their brains checked for worms.
Also, the dudes, cause I know it's all dudes, calling Angela fat, I'd like to see pictures of how they all look. Are they slim and trim? Hunks of eye candy themselves? Or pudgy with a bit of a gut like me?
If you're doing a remake, especially of someone else's work, you have a duty to be accurate and faithful to the original. So why even change the designs at all? Its not like its the 1st SH where the models were blockier and lower res, SH2 still looks pretty good, just copy the characters verbatim, but in 4k (or whatever res its in). People know what the characters are meant to look like and its easier work for you. Start changing things and people will be unhappy, especially if the changes are bad or worse, undermine the original intent of the design.
You're mistaking a remake with remaster. This is a REMAKE, the changes to the plot and to characters and locations design are absolutely expected in a remake. In remake the story is meant to be the same but there is more freedom when it comes to anything else. Just like in Karate Kid remake. Instead of a Japanese and white, American boy, you have a Chinese and black, American boy. If they just improved the graphics, it would be just a remaster. Take a look at Mafia remake. They changed many things but kept the spirit of the original and it was freaking amazing remake. I'm sure it will be the same here. They will change a lot but many things will stay the same and we will have a balanced new experience.
I dunno if you just misspoke but Kojima has absolutely nothing to do with Silent Hill
Was in reference to his involvement with PT/Silent Hills as people seem to think he was involved with the remake of 2.
@@VoidRetro ah my bad. I keep alternating between opinions on this game myself, but as a like nearly 20 year SH fan I can def agree that the fanbase can be quite unbearable at times
The fact that the nurses and the enemies along with Maria where over sexualized in the original game was because James was sexually frustrated because he could not be intimate with his wife due to her illness. That was part of his punishment while in Silent Hill.The fact that they just throw that out the window with this DEI shit just shows me the new devs don’t even respect the original creators or team Silent vision.
I think this is a valid complaint, one of the only things I agree with changes that there needs to be a lore reason unless they become more sexualised as the game goes on
I don't see what you see. Maria still looks sexy and stands out, she's just modernized instead of wearing a 90's outfit and the nurses, as Fermi said, are wearing short skirts and cleavage is displayed. I don't know why you don't find Maria's redesign sexy. Maria wasn't even 'over sexualized' in the beginning - her skirt wasn't crazy short and she had a long sleeved button-up. She didn't even have cleavage showing in the OG :/ You saw her tummy and that was literally the most revealing thing. I would argue the black dress she's wearing IS sexualized.
But why modernize designs in the first place if the game is set during that time
@@kellevichy
This is precisely it. The sexualized nurses were very specifically James’ own hell.
@@kevinbrodacki Remake = Elevating a game to its current standards ! A remake allows rooms for small change and you should try to make some as well.
I thought I was alone on this honestly. I just can’t understand why people are making such a big deal out of such minor critiques.
I think it looks pretty damn good...people are putting down the combat because it's stiff.. that's the fucking point.. this dude doesn't know how to fight, he's never had to fight for his life before so yes he's stiff
Maria looks like Tim Burton character. Her purpose is being swept away I feel.
Too early to tell, I personally think she will lose clothing as the game goes.
I’ve always been a hardcore fan since SH2 and personally I can’t see anything wrong with it so far. Looks great In my eyes, I absolutely HATE how whiny the community are.
I am genuinely excited for this remake and am also genuinely tired of all the complaining. Its gotten super toxic and I feel during the dev interviews you can tell the pressure its putting on them. Yes, there is still some legitimate criticism surrounding some polishing of animations, facial animations and performance however the game is still 5 months away from launch. I really dont feel Bloober is getting enough props for the immense amount of respect they are putting into the game in recapturing the atmosphere and grotesque beauty of the original game. Watching the gameplay showcase just gave me the i am playing the game for the first time vibes which is all I want. And look how much the game improved from the combat trailer, now imagine the potential it will have at release. I cant wait
In those interviews the cast feel pressured its kind of sad
I'm a hardcore SH fan and everything you said was spot on. It looks absolutely amazing to me I can't wait to play it! People who criticise this are ridiculous and are never going to be happy. I feel sorry for them. People are so ridiculously entitled! The remake is obviously going to have changes but they have honoured the original in what I've seen as well as added new content. Why would anyone want it exactly the same as the original is beyond me.
I'm glad OG fans are seeing the remake as a positive thing, thanks for checking out the video Lee!
I've never seen 'fans' lose their minds so hard over a game that hasn't even came out yet they'll see the slightest change and tear it to shreads
I think the environments are really beautiful but i am not a fan of what they've done with maria. Im not a fan of her new design however from the gameplay trailer the model just looks bad quality. Lauras model look perfect so I feel like they dropped the ball with angela and maria. The combat is okay but it was never the main draw of the original either. The music is also perfect as expexted from akira yamaoka
I think it's sensible with the approach they took when dealing with Angela's character. I don't need to write an essay that explains why.
I get people being concerned given the high standard set by the original Silent Hill 2.
I don't get the folks calling each other toxic.
Do I agree with everything that I've seen so far?
No, but I'm still excited to play it because the gameplay looks intriguing to me.
If I don't like it, there's still the original that I've been playing since 2003.
It looks bland and reminiscent of SH Homecoming.
Let's see your version then.
@@VoidRetro A silly response as I don't develop video games.
A silly comment deserves an equally silly response.
@VoidRetro How is it a silly comment? We're all entitled to sharing opinions and making comparisons as fans of the SH series; unless, that is, you're merely a mindless consumer - in which case, consume!
@drbalbon7332 Because the game doesn't look bland or anything like Homecoming. Visually and presentational it looks absolutely fantastic, the story we will have to see. Opinions are fine but commenting negativity is exactly the issue I said about in the video.
The new game looks really good. It captures the atmosphere super well and the voice acting/facial animations are superb.
Sadly no one hates silent hill more than silent hill fans. Team silent could comeback together to make a new SH and SH fans would still crap all over it
I agree with you… But I also think All games Should release a Demo closer to release…
I do agree with that
There is absolutely no reason to remake SH2, it just needed a modern port. Just because it has old graphics, doesn't mean the design is "outdated", as to mean that the design/graphics/mechanics don't perfectly come together to display the story and message of the Silent Hill games. They're only remaking this game to possibly get some competition against RE, and some hype for their newest Silent Hill game. But their fatal mistake is that they don't care about the quality of their products, they leave it up to the studio. And it just so happens that Kojima actually cared about the quality of the game, and pushing a meaningful and nuanced story out, instead of just another product to rival RE. However, considering how many integral details are missing to the aesthetic and feel of SH2 Remake, as well as the overall mismanagement of the "state of play" and jankiness of everything, I don't think this will be handled well. But only time will tell I suppose.
Im honestly looking forward to the silent hill 2 remake. Especially because i was born too late to expirience the games, but I was still able to be exposed to the series by youtube.
That's a very good outlook
People love to complain since negativity is like a drug. I get being critical and wanting a game to be good but basing whether you'll play or not from how a character looks as really childish. To me, as long as they look like humans, theyre good, and even if character appearance wasnt a problem, theyd find something else to complain about. As a long time fan im super excited for this and hope it does well for them to remake the others, especially 4 which is my favorite.
I must admit that I had a knee jerk reaction to this and got sucked into a couple of the hating videos.
I've had a couple of days to calm down and I'm now cautiously optimistic. The environments look great. I don't have an issue with the change to Angela but I do think the model looks a little rough and not as finished as the others.
I'm worried about Maria as the way she looked was important to the story and I worry they'll change the story around it.
I do like your idea that she will evolve as the game goes on. I have the original PS discs for SH 1 -4 so can always play them. I'm happy to wait and see now.
Yeah I think people are being WAY WAY WAY too critical of this remake. I think the majority of what we saw looked quite good. I am incredibly excited to replay it with a fresh take on it.
Well who do you think is gonna buy this game.
The casuals or the fans and fanatics of Silent Hill 2.
If you can not win those people into buying this game the game will fail.
Just look at Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth the second game barley catch 50% of the first game and even that is not sure and that because they changed way too many things most importantatly story.
i'm excited❤
I have completely missed all these shenanigans about the character looks. :D SH2 is already set a very high bar and true fans cant be fully satisfied because of this, understandably. But picking apart the characters and devs like this because of some desing choice is just mental. And personally i hate when IPs are turned in and out too but this overreaction had me eye rolling. I have watched a video on this from the opposite stand point and maybe i would agree on the de-sexualization of Maria because it does not really work with the original story, true. But like you just said, if the story slightly altered she still can work. From what we have seen even her stance itself is also screams innocence, not just her looks. So i'd rather wait for the full game before i judge.
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting dude 🙂 appreciate the time!
The environments are spot on awesome! The creature sound design is way off. James's behavior when being introduced to the first creatures is not as authentic as the original. The creature animations are pretty good. The classic SH creepiness in the interiors are off, as there is no visual noise filter to give it that creepy edge. And, some of the character faces are very odd, like Maria, looks like she got stung by a bunch of bees.
I appreciate the effort overall as a long time fan. I'll probably buy this when it comes out if the details are not too far off as I look as these sneak previews.
About fans. I think it's strange to blame fans for wanting what is promised. If you're a fan of cheese burgers, you buy one, and you get two pieces of paper with a burger in between, fans have reason to complain. Not saying this is what SH 2 the remake is, but there are some things that are off, that used to be core features of the original game. Like the creature sound design.
If we're listening to the fandom, EVERY details are "core features" you guys just can't handle changes...
@@LawLight56 What you say sounds similar to a fan of chicken sandwiches buys a chicken sandwich, but is given a lettuce sandwich. The fan rightly points out that the sandwich is missing it's core feature, and the manager says, "every detail is a "core feature" to you people. You just can't handle changes."
Huge Silent Hill fan-SH2 is my favorite. I personally don’t think people are freaking out just because of Angela/Marla/nurses. I think folks have been concerned with the involvement of Hit Detection, which is a Sweet Baby-style company. The androgyny of Angela and, worse, the nurses (whose “sexiness” is key to the SH2 story) suggests that other changes have been made to make SH2-an exceedingly brave and thematically controversial game-less brave and controversial. I will still buy and play it, but I am going to be crossing my fingers that the game maintains the original story, twist, and themes despite these early signs that perhaps they went in a different direction to avoid challenging modern gamers.
I think the 'forced diversity' stuff is another issue entirely where I do see some valid points, especially if it can change or hurt a narrative. I just wish people would realise this is a remake, the original will always be there and no matter what it'll pale in comparison.
@@VoidRetro I don’t think remakes need to pale in comparison though. Dead Space and RE2 show what is possible.
@MisterCaution Generally they either are as good or worse, RE4R for me was far better than the original but other remakes I'm not always a fan of. I think this one will be decent.
How dare they make the SA victim androgynous. It's almost like that's the point, to hide her body.
The fact they even just skipped to making silent hill 2 remake and tehn palming it off to some other developer is strange. I wish they would work with Capcom making Silent Hill games.
@@GIJane-nr2xm why would they work with a direct competitor who makes Resident Evil?
@@VoidRetro of course I know they wouldn't haha. It would just be cool for Silent Hill to get the attention and the funding it deserves.
@GIJane-nr2xm Oh 100% and I do agree they should have started with 1, or labelled this "Silent Hill: Subtitle" and then the order would not matter at all
Whenever I see a remake it reminds me of the verb "Ship of Theseus", does repairing one part of a ship still make it the same ship as before? I see how the remake does, but to me Bloober just wanted to pay respect to the OG Silent Hill 2. With KCET gone we no longer see any other remake with the Silent Hill franchise, but with all the hate especially to the fans of SH, It's just too much.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that statement, we will have the original and the remake, people can chose which they prefer.
I'm excited for it regardless how it turns out. If it plays like RE, cool. If it sucks, cool. If it looks ugly, cool. I'm just happy to get a chance to replay this game in a new light.
The story is great but people have put this on too high of a pedestal and snub any attempt to remake this unless it is something like 1 for 1 5k graphics. Let it come out and then see how you feel about it.
I totally agree with your words there
What makes Angela look so weird is that the turtle neck is so far up on her neck and her strong jawline combined just makes it look weird
well, i do have something against how they changed maria's clothing, since it's **SPOILERS**
its james' favorite dress when mary wasnt sick, maria's outfit, mood outbursts, and seductive talk have a massive connection to the final andmost pivotal plot point in james' character.
thats about all im gonna say about the subject, wether you think its "weird" or not to argue that is irrelevant. other than that, im actually really impressed by the trailer, it looks fantastic and almost perfectly portrays the OG's feel, the sound track is sublime and weird silent hill-y sound effects are superb, the melee combat could use some work but ill reserve judgement till release (its not like the OG's melee combat was good to begin with, it was dogshit), and literally just a couple of animations need some polish, thats it.
the complaints coming out of the fandom are absurd, idiotic, thoughtless and purely emotional without an ounce of thought put into it, it is, as you say, a hate boner at best. as a long time silent hill fan (played the first one the week it came out), i am really looking forward to playing this, SH2 was my depressing comfort game, it means alot to me, and to see it treated with such care by a team that probably dont even have half of capcom's resources and staff, i am really thankful that its getting made with such care and detail, and any SH fanboy clown that says otherwise about the teams passion towards this game can suck a fat one and go eff himself.
its one thing to critique, its another to hate, insult, humiliate and demean a dev team that obviously love the OG.
Im cautiously optimistic
Personally only SOME animations lack polishment for me, that being the transition from walking to running, and the meele attack with an enemy on the ground. Aside from this, everything else looks ABSOLUTELY GORGEUS.
All of these haters are definitely a pain in the ass to deal with, they see ONE thing out of place, and they just trash the whole game, completely ignoring all the good stuff the developers managed to give us, like astonishing and expanded scenarios, god like atmosphere, great voice acting, gorgeus cinematics, EVEN IN-GAME DETAILS like James actually drinking the healthy drink or applying the steroids, and even doodling the map in real time! His model interaction with the environment is just insane!
Yes, i do think Angela's face could get a little bit of a rework just like they did with James, but dude, comparing it with PS2 or PS3 is just way too much. Overall it DEFINITELY seems like a fun and epic experience, these guys are just annoying af, they can't be happy with anything, nor do they give constructive criticism to make the game better, they just like to complain, honestly my big F you to these guys.
Absolutely. It probably is amazing and should get overwhelmingly positive if it’s good but silent hill fans will review bomb it because of something little like a certain character design. The nurses are no longer sexualized and I hear some people are freaking out because of the lore. In RE4 remake they made Ada Wong less sexualized and nobody cared, So they are just being fussy. This looks good and Bloober team is independent so you can’t expect it to look as good as RE.
I think Maria wearing a literal "little black dress" is honestly perfect for her.
I agree, and I think as the game progresses she will become more "skimpy" as James loses his sanity.
@@VoidRetro this is an interesting thought, but we haven't seen anything alluding to that. I like the idea though.
I can guarantee you 90% of the people talking shit about this game have never even touched the original.
I would buy the otiginal upscaled with the original voice acting if one ever existed, this one? Highly doubt.
Play the PC enhanced edition.
@@VoidRetro its a downgrade from the original sh2 imho. Not the same voice acting and call us fanatics, But characters are characters for a reason. Break the character rule and watch how people who are invested in them get pissed.
@@Ramt33nI think you mean the hd version I don’t think the enhanced mod changes the voices of characters?
@@sethyredninja1422 oh. Excuse my ignorance. So the actual mod is called Enhanced Edition. Thanks
Maria and Angela serve as commentary on how men often view and characterize women James is a canonical misogynist though far from the violent hateful type Maria's storyline in Born from a Wish that is having her own personhood stripped in favor of appealing to a man she doesn't know this is a nod towards how most Gamers tend to see female characters in a sexualized light that divorces them from the greater picture when it comes to who that character is Angela is the result of what happens when a woman is sexualized and abused by the men in her life James canonically sexualized the women around him when his wife was literally dying in the hospital also the fact that he has sexual pulsions towards nurses in the hospital is due to sexual repression We have to consider that James presumably didn't have intimacy with Mary for years so in the remake they made the nurses not sexy and made the 2 female leads ugly yer that works for the story
I like the way it looks so far BUT, I do think that the line delivery needs to be adjusted to fit the same as the original. The original's line delivery was very David Lynch eseque with weird pauses and vocal inflections that each individual character has, especially James. He is in a fugue like state the whole game, emotionally detached/repressed. I just think they need to work on that mainly. Everything else seems pretty good, though. There are a couple of more nitpicks that i have, but I think it'll all right if they take a few of the criticisms and feedback and expand upon them.
Also, I don't mind Maria's design at all really but there are a few details missing, I feel. In the original Maria NEVER ends up in a cutscene with other characters, cause she ain't real. That's a big misstep, almost as bad as when they put Pyramid head in Homecoming. Anyway, design wise she is fine, but the original is supposed to make her seem or more like look off putting in a sense, it's subtle but it's supposed to be the for a reason. Idk if it was the artsyle at the time but her eyes are also supposed to look a little bit more wild with a hint of Madness as well. This Maria is missing that for some reason. With Silent Hill attention to detail is VERY important to make it compelling. At least in my opinion.
I think Angela is cute 🤷🏻♀️ not sure what all the fuss is about. People are just going to complain to complain.
She kinda adorable 👀